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A year on for Starmer and he has yet been able to shake the hands of a single voter – politicalbetti

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356

    Nobody should need to commute from three hours away - by bike as Philip once proposed - to get into London, unless they want to. The fact people are forced into it, is why the system is so broken.

    House prices need to come down fast in London, young people are fucked buying until that happens.

    House prices going down fast in London (and elsewhere) may have other consequences for the economy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384
    TimT said:

    Indeed, CDC has just cleared those fully vaccinated to travel.
    So long as they're American or are permanent residents. Regular visa holders (like me) still can't easily get into the US.
  • RobD said:

    House prices going down fast in London (and elsewhere) may have other consequences for the economy.
    The economy is going to crash eventually when the housing bubble bursts. Not if, when.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356

    The economy is going to crash eventually when the housing bubble bursts. Not if, when.
    Since you are so confident, I don't suppose you could tell us when this is going to happen?
  • RobD said:

    Since you are so confident, I don't suppose you could tell us when this is going to happen?
    Don't know exactly when - but housing is a bubble. No chance that kind of house price inflation is healthy long term.

    If you'd like to propose a solution to get young people onto the housing ladder, then let's hear it. So far the Tories have been in Government for a decade and have categorically failed.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited April 2021

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    Effect of school holidays here (I can't think of any other explanation) is remarkable. They break up on Friday 26th; cases start to decline significantly from the following Monday, as the drop off in infections feeds through into the numbers.

    Kids are evidently the driver in the near-plateauing of cases for most of March - mixing in schools, passing the Plague round, bringing it home to their families. If that's correct then cases will probably continue to drop right through until the weekend of 17/18 April.

    It'll be very interesting indeed to see what happens immediately after that. Should cases merely level off again (rather than starting to climb) then it would be reasonable to blame that on the schools, and therefore to conclude that re-opening the shops and beer gardens has had no measurable effect. If so then what's left of physical retail and the hospitality trade, which have of course been shuttered for months because they were claimed to be such a lethal threat, will be absolutely bloody livid. And rightly so, too.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:

    The unions know they've got her over a barrel, refuse and she's not "backing the NHS". The losers will be English taxpayers, including NHS workers, who will now have to pay more tax to pay for this bullshit.
    I'm not clear why English Taxpayers have to pay extra for decisions in the Scottish NHS? Does the mechanism work both ways?

    If English NHS pay was forced to go up yes, but that will be more like 2% than 4% or 12%.

    And I don't see the Scottish NHS being large enough to cause a major collapse in Englsh NHs workforce by cross-recruitment.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    Floater said:

    So Sturgeon been forced out then?

    oh
    When did Boris or any of his cronies get forced out then
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    That was then and this is now and the SNP are proclaiming their green de-carbonisation credentials with the best of them.
    So happy to fleece us and use our money for 40-50 years but as soon as we are down a bob or two you start whining and whinging and calling us spongers. Pathetic cretins.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    rcs1000 said:

    So long as they're American or are permanent residents. Regular visa holders (like me) still can't easily get into the US.
    Need to get yourself an EB-1 visa.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356

    Don't know exactly when - but housing is a bubble. No chance that kind of house price inflation is healthy long term.

    If you'd like to propose a solution to get young people onto the housing ladder, then let's hear it. So far the Tories have been in Government for a decade and have categorically failed.
    House price inflation is lower now. It's not going down, but it certainty isn't going up as fast as it was at the turn of the millennium when there was about a decade of 10% year on year growth.

    The solution is simple, build more houses. More supply means lower prices.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,254

    Someone said recently that Covid WFH restrictions were leading to falling rents for small flats in London and rising rents for houses in the commuter belt with rooms that could be used as home offices. Is this officially a thing?
    Yes, not just rentals but same thing for sales.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    glw said:

    No, the big difference between the mainstream parties and the ones that are cult-like is how much the members question or oppose the leadership. The likes of Johnson and Starmer get much more criticism from their party members and parliamentarians than the likes of a Farage or Sturgeon do, or for that matter Salmond before her. It's probably due to the nature of their politics, that is they are essentially single issue parties with an actionable goal that will solve all problems in the view of the membership. They are quite different from the mainstream UK parties in that regard.
    That is pure unalloyed bollox.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    The economy is going to crash eventually when the housing bubble bursts. Not if, when.
    Yes, but which bubble?

    There are some bubbles that have been going on for hundreds of years and haven't been burst (Gold). You can only be sure it was in fact a bubble after it pops.

    House prices are falling in central London - a bit at least.

    The government debt bubble, the personal debt bubble, the bitcoin bubble - these are the more significant risks.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106

    I'm wary of generalising about what other people want, but I think most people like a change now and then.
    ! !
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    Good evening all.

    One day per fortnight to see colleagues for a chat will be enough for me.

    That is all I had anyway, as I am based in a different office to the rest of the team.

    One or two are also dotted about in other locations, so virtual working was already the norm for us.

    After work socialising was maybe once every 3 months.

    I might pop in to my base office if I want to print off a pile of drawings, otherwise there is just background noise and poor coffee.

    I bet they can't wait to see you either.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    IanB2 said:

    ! !
    Now is not the time for...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Good evening all.

    One day per fortnight to see colleagues for a chat will be enough for me.

    That is all I had anyway, as I am based in a different office to the rest of the team.

    One or two are also dotted about in other locations, so virtual working was already the norm for us.

    After work socialising was maybe once every 3 months.

    I might pop in to my base office if I want to print off a pile of drawings, otherwise there is just background noise and poor coffee.

    Which year did you start working virtually?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,677
    BTW, does anyone know who was runner up in the Alba Party leadership election?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    I try to be polite here, but you do temp me to abandon that. I was born in Greenock and live nearby. Want to test my local knowledge to see if I'm 'Scotch' enough, Malc?
    Then you are an even bigger erchie than I thought you were. You would know then that Greenock is the last port as water too shallow to go any further up, you would also know there are a myriad of lovely places all around and just because Greenock has some dodgy social housing etc that makes you even more of an absolute creep. Think you are a poshie because you moved to Gourock.
  • anyone who has experienced the joy of travellers camping up on some land nearby know exactly what they are referring to, and why someone would use terms that upset the sensibilities of modern metropolitans are entirely merited.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,677
    Andy_JS said:

    Which year did you start working virtually?
    I've been with the company 8 years and it was how we worked when I joined. Back then, one member of our team was based in Dublin.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    MattW said:

    I'm not clear why English Taxpayers have to pay extra for decisions in the Scottish NHS? Does the mechanism work both ways?

    If English NHS pay was forced to go up yes, but that will be more like 2% than 4% or 12%.

    And I don't see the Scottish NHS being large enough to cause a major collapse in Englsh NHs workforce by cross-recruitment.
    Another halfwitted cretinous numpty who does not understand that Scotland has money , and after England has stolen a good part of it they still have some pocket money left to fund things. English taxpayers will not pay a penny piece of it you dumpling.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356
    malcolmg said:

    Another halfwitted cretinous numpty who does not understand that Scotland has money , and after England has stolen a good part of it they still have some pocket money left to fund things. English taxpayers will not pay a penny piece of it you dumpling.
    There's no fiscal transfer whatsoever?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480
    algarkirk said:

    Though when the right time will be to stop pooling sovereignty with England, Wales and NI and start pooling sovereignty with Greece, Germany, Slovenia and 24 others seems opaque.

    The right time won't be as now where such a thing would be on wildly worse terms. The SNP clearly would accept slightly worse terms in much the way Brexit was always accepted as slightly worse - all in the short/medium term.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I try to be polite here, but you do temp me to abandon that. I was born in Greenock and live nearby. Want to test my local knowledge to see if I'm 'Scotch' enough, Malc?
    It’s a very simple test.

    If you intend to vote SNP/Alba you’re Scottish enough

    If not you’re a filthy turnip
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    BTW, does anyone know who was runner up in the Alba Party leadership election?

    Nicola?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    Blimey. And I thought the German sense of humour was a bit suspect...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56617049
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Nigelb said:

    Blimey. And I thought the German sense of humour was a bit suspect...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56617049

    Interesting that the faux invoices described the spicy sauce as "Free" not "Gratuit"
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    RobD said:

    Since you are so confident, I don't suppose you could tell us when this is going to happen?
    I am the Vince Cable of the housing market; I have correctly predicted 27 out of the last 0 crashes.

    Bound to be right eventually...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    malcolmg said:

    Another halfwitted cretinous numpty who does not understand that Scotland has money , and after England has stolen a good part of it they still have some pocket money left to fund things. English taxpayers will not pay a penny piece of it you dumpling.
    Sure. Let’s convert the Darien bailout to a loan and charge you compound interest on it
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629

    Personally I think the sensible thing for England and Scotland is to give a juicy bonus to NHS staff (more for the front line, but also something for those who've just been exceptionally busy). In addition, the families of those who lost their lives to Covid should be awarded this bonus. However, pay increases should be limited to what was envisaged already.

    The SNP are concerned that they might be on the skids a little.

    Who knows, perhaps some of their voters might notice that the two cancer centres promised in December 2020 to be in operation in "Spring 2021" are a leading promise to be created after the Election?

    Or perhaps they might continue to sleep.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    meanwhile, back at the ranch . . .

    Politico.com - Is Gaetz a goner?

    YOU CAN’T ALWAYS GAETZ WHAT YOU WANT -- The Matt Gaetz hits just keep coming and coming. We already knew the Florida Republican was in some serious hot water after it was revealed earlier this week that the DOJ is investigating Gaetz’s alleged sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and whether he violated sex trafficking laws.

    But the New York Times dropped another bombshell last night that the probe into Gaetz and a former Florida official is focused on their “involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments,” while “one of the women who had sex with both men also agreed to have sex with an unidentified associate of theirs in Florida Republican politics.”

    And, in some encounters, “Gaetz asked women to help find others who might be interested in having sex with him and his friends,” write Katie Benner and Michael S. Schmidt. “Should anyone inquire about their relationships, one person said, Mr. Gaetz told the women to say that he had paid for hotel rooms and dinners as part of their dates.” … More: “Some of the men and women took ecstasy, an illegal mood-altering drug, before having sex, including Mr. Gaetz.”

    ON TOP OF ALL THAT, CNN reports that Gaetz bragged about his sexual escapades to fellow lawmakers and showed nude pictures of women to his colleagues — including while he was on the House floor. There’s no evidence the photos are connected to the DOJ probe, but the alleged episode sheds further light on his behavior toward women.

    That also dovetails with this unflattering portrait of Gaetz from The Daily Beast that chronicles his less-than-sterling reputation on Capitol Hill, where Gaetz made his preference for younger women and drug use known and where an empty box of condoms was once spotted in the trash bin outside his congressional office. . . .

    Gaetz has vehemently denied the allegations and says he’s the victim of an elaborate extortion scheme. “Matt Gaetz has never paid for sex. Matt Gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely,” his team said in a statement to NYT. “Matt Gaetz has never ever been on any such websites whatsoever. Matt Gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life.” . . . .

    For now, congressional leaders are deferring to the ongoing DOJ probe. But Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said yesterday at her press conference that the allegations, if true, would be a "matter for the Ethics Committee.” And Pelosi and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) have both said Gaetz would lose his committee seats if he’s indicted, which is required under House rules.

    But, but, but … also don’t be surprised if Gaetz follows the Trump playbook on scandals, by refusing to bow to pressure and trying to stick it out. . . .

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/huddle/2021/04/02/is-gaetz-a-goner-492341

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Charles said:

    Sure. Let’s convert the Darien bailout to a loan and charge you compound interest on it
    It was a bribe to the aristos. They should be asked to pay it back.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838

    meanwhile, back at the ranch . . .

    Politico.com - Is Gaetz a goner?

    The interview when he tried to drag Tucker Carlson into it was hilarious.
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1377059082931204097
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1377059721044230145
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317
    Yes. Amazing.

    They do or say something that almost everyone is probably in favour of - then apologise for it because people who have no idea what it is actually about find it theoretically offensive
  • malcolmg said:

    Then you are an even bigger erchie than I thought you were. You would know then that Greenock is the last port as water too shallow to go any further up, you would also know there are a myriad of lovely places all around and just because Greenock has some dodgy social housing etc that makes you even more of an absolute creep. Think you are a poshie because you moved to Gourock.

    Wong again, Malc. I don't live in Gourock and never have. But don't let facts stop you, eh?

    And, yes, I know all about Greenock being the last suitable port for large ships on the Clyde. But that doesn't have any bearing on it being a dump, and also yes, some tourists get bussed to Glasgow. But they still have to watch the delightful scenes of urban decay through their windows, and the ones that choose to stay and explore Greenock (a surprising amount) are not coming away with a positive 'Scotch' experience.

    Not unless they enjoy tripping over broken slabs as they wander along West Blackhall St, looking at boarded up shops and smelling the leaking sewers. When they reach the end of the street they can take in the ambience of the run-down Oak Mall, which is such a jewel its owners want to demolish it.

    Greenock is a deeply depressing place, made all the worse because no help is coming. The SNP doesn't care. That places like Greenock exist after 14 years of SNP government doesn't fit their narrative. So it gets pushed aside, like everything they find inconvenient.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Charles said:

    Sure. Let’s convert the Darien bailout to a loan and charge you compound interest on it
    Is it typically British, for English to pressure Scots by threatening to "welch" on a done deal?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Carnyx said:

    It was a bribe to the aristos. They should be asked to pay it back.
    That would be a matter for the independent Scotland to take up with certain of its citizens. England made the payments to the representatives of the Scottish government/parliament at the time
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    isam said:

    Yes. Amazing.

    They do or say something that almost everyone is probably in favour of - then apologise for it because people who have no idea what it is actually about find it theoretically offensive
    Putting boulders to stop people driving onto public parks is racism.
    https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1377911827196211201
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    The Commons is so much more sophisticated.

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1359549585002295300
  • 1% was an opening suggestion.

    Sturgeon opening with 4% means why not demand 12.5%? If 4% is the opening offer then why not counter with 12.5% and "settle" for 8%?

    1970s here we come, but then why should we be surprised when Sturgeon etc view everything from the 1980s onwards as something horrid to be reversed.
    1% was "you're getting 1%" not an "opening suggestion". Also, a very basic principle of negotiation is to open at the maximum position you can that won't piss the counter-party off. A 1% "opening suggestion" - a pay cut - is such a piss off move. Especially when it wasn't an opening suggestion but the recommendation of the (entirely independent of course...) pay review board. Thats yer lot - a pay cut.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,170

    Putting boulders to stop people driving onto public parks is racism.
    https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1377911827196211201
    FS this is so stupid. I don't have any problems with people *being* travellers but parks are not places for them to camp. Boulders to stop them, or anyone, are entirely appropriate and proportionate.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    malcolmg said:

    When did Boris or any of his cronies get forced out then
    You said the SNP were different Malc....

    Now you are saying they are the same

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,356

    1% was "you're getting 1%" not an "opening suggestion". Also, a very basic principle of negotiation is to open at the maximum position you can that won't piss the counter-party off. A 1% "opening suggestion" - a pay cut - is such a piss off move. Especially when it wasn't an opening suggestion but the recommendation of the (entirely independent of course...) pay review board. Thats yer lot - a pay cut.
    Yeah, the recommendation of the government. There will also be one from the employees, which will most certainly be higher.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    So i'm guessing (hoping?) that the real reason for Johnson's comments on vaccinated people meeting was because he doesn't want to give the impression that the vaccinated should get privileges not allowed to the rest of the population (especially as by and large the ban on young people meeting is not because of the "threat" to themselves as individual).

    But whether or not that is the real reason, the overall messaging is horrible.

    How can you simultaneously be pushing for domestic vaccine passports on the grounds that large social gatherings restricted to vaccinated individuals are 'safe' whilst also saying that small groups of vaccinated people isn't? And, as others have intimated, in draws into question the whole basis for slow playing the unlockdown. If vaccinated people meeting now isn't safe (or at least safe to an acceptable level of risk), then it will never be.

    Its times like this when having a Government as THE sole dictator of what people can do in the country causes issues. As opposed to, say, the US where different authorities have control over different things.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    edited April 2021
    I see the Scotch expert incels are having another normal one about Scarlett McJohansson.

    Of all the self-owns on here one of the best is those who go on and on and on about how awful are the EU, the SNP and Sturgeon; despite all of that Scots still prefer them to the arseholes you elect and therefore impose upon us.

    Get real lads, Scotland’s never going to shag you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    An eye-watering report from Mexico. No, not Covid, the drug wars.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/02/jalisco-cartel-mexico-rise-guadalajara

    Remarkably, and mind-bogglingly, the drug wars seem to have gotten WORSE. Even more violent. Even more threatening to the state. These are rival internal armies, often more powerful than Federal forces.

    The only solution I can see (barring some miracle like complete legalisation of drugs, and would that even work?) is for the Mexicans to elect a Fascist Dictator, with draconian powers and the complete militarisation of the state itself. Basically get a Mussolini in, to do what he did to the Mafia (exterminate them)

    Otherwise, they will drag Mexico into ever greater chaos and suffering. Awful
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Not a good look:

    https://twitter.com/davieclegg/status/1377983237352460290?s=20

    What with reports of police interviews of very senior figures over the SNP's supposedly "ringfenced" £600,000 which is not evident from the accounts
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    She's back! And should be standing for Hartlepool. And still has that talent for spotting the vote winning issue.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Omnium said:

    Yes, but which bubble?

    There are some bubbles that have been going on for hundreds of years and haven't been burst (Gold). You can only be sure it was in fact a bubble after it pops.

    House prices are falling in central London - a bit at least.

    The government debt bubble, the personal debt bubble, the bitcoin bubble - these are the more significant risks.

    Hasn't the bursting of "personal debt bubble" been set back years by Covid, and the largest paying back of personal debt in a year since records began?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,488
    edited April 2021

    anyone who has experienced the joy of travellers camping up on some land nearby know exactly what they are referring to, and why someone would use terms that upset the sensibilities of modern metropolitans are entirely merited.
    They stormed onto land owned by one of the gyms I (used to) attend late on a Friday night.

    The manager went out to talk to them, not hostile, just hey what are you doing this is private land...to which he was told they would burn the gym down if anybody else came to talk to them.

    The gym then had to employ security to protect the building for the next 2 weeks why all the nonsense legal proceedings were undertaken to shift them.

    The police basically just shrugged and said they will be moved on eventually.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    edit
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,592

    1% was "you're getting 1%" not an "opening suggestion". Also, a very basic principle of negotiation is to open at the maximum position you can that won't piss the counter-party off. A 1% "opening suggestion" - a pay cut - is such a piss off move. Especially when it wasn't an opening suggestion but the recommendation of the (entirely independent of course...) pay review board. Thats yer lot - a pay cut.
    Surely you offer your opening suggestion with "this is as much as we can afford". And 1% by some measures of inflation is actually a real increase.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,850
    algarkirk said:

    She's back! And should be standing for Hartlepool. And still has that talent for spotting the vote winning issue.
    She does have a point though- Saying "dealing with traveller incursions" is a dogwhistle to people who hate travellers. Fine if the leaflet gave a specific measure but its a lazy statement praying on bias.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,592
    Nigelb said:

    Blimey. And I thought the German sense of humour was a bit suspect...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56617049

    As France has just gone back into lockdown they can be forgiven for having a sense of humour failure. And it appears they can order pizzas with anchovies on, which is more than I can
  • I see the Scotch expert incels are having another normal one about Scarlett McJohansson.

    Of all the self-owns on here one of the best is those who go on and on and on about how awful are the EU, the SNP and Sturgeon; despite all of that Scots still prefer them to the arseholes you elect and therefore impose upon us.

    Get real lads, Scotland’s never going to shag you.

    SNP do not need our help in doing just that to Scotland
  • Not a good look:

    https://twitter.com/davieclegg/status/1377983237352460290?s=20

    What with reports of police interviews of very senior figures over the SNP's supposedly "ringfenced" £600,000 which is not evident from the accounts

    It is so sad to see the state of Scotland in an ever-increasing sleazy governing party
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    Leon said:



    Must be a personal thing. But walking out into a 25C day is very different, for me, to walking out into a 10C day with a stiff wind, even if they are both sunny.

    The first - for me - is an absolute pleasure in itself, shirtsleeve order, you can lie down on the grass in the park, you can have a lovely picnic with cold white wine, the human body evolved in these temperatures - on the savannah - that's why we love them, they are our comfort zone.

    A chilly, windy, sunny 10C is preferable to rain or fog or sleet or whatever, but I do not smile and think Aaaaaah.

    Are we sure this comment was not ghost-written by a crocodile?


  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    They stormed onto land owned by one of the gyms I (used to) attend late on a Friday night.

    The manager went out to talk to them, not hostile, just hey what are you doing this is private land...to which he was told they would burn the gym down if anybody else came to talk to them.

    The gym then had to employ security to protect the building for the next 2 weeks why all the nonsense legal proceedings were undertaken to shift them.

    The police basically just shrugged and said they will be moved on eventually.
    They took over an area on a farm near where I used to live - It was not a pleasant experience for local shop / bar owners - and the mess they left!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Managed to get 12 bottles of Primitivo delivered in time for the weekend. Feels like it's going to be a good one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782

    She does have a point though- Saying "dealing with traveller incursions" is a dogwhistle to people who hate travellers. Fine if the leaflet gave a specific measure but its a lazy statement praying on bias.
    How else would you describe "measures to deal with traveller incursions", if your neighborhood has a particular problem with "traveller incursions"

    "Understandable but uncomfortable settlements by elements of colourful but more nomadic communities"??

    Really. How would you describe this?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,488
    MaxPB said:

    Managed to get 12 bottles of Primitivo delivered in time for the weekend. Feels like it's going to be a good one.

    I can feel normality returning, with talk of plonk... just need to return of regular business class flight to exotic locations.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    She does have a point though- Saying "dealing with traveller incursions" is a dogwhistle to people who hate travellers. Fine if the leaflet gave a specific measure but its a lazy statement praying on bias.
    How many people out there "hate" travellers simply because of who they are? Can't be many.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    I see the Scotch expert incels are having another normal one about Scarlett McJohansson.

    Of all the self-owns on here one of the best is those who go on and on and on about how awful are the EU, the SNP and Sturgeon; despite all of that Scots still prefer them to the arseholes you elect and therefore impose upon us.

    Get real lads, Scotland’s never going to shag you.

    The people fucking Scotland appear to be the SNP
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480
    MaxPB said:

    Managed to get 12 bottles of Primitivo delivered in time for the weekend. Feels like it's going to be a good one.

    Good enough for the Romans.
  • One police officer has died in US attack
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    MattW said:

    The SNP are concerned that they might be on the skids a little.

    Who knows, perhaps some of their voters might notice that the two cancer centres promised in December 2020 to be in operation in "Spring 2021" are a leading promise to be created after the Election?

    Or perhaps they might continue to sleep.
    The SNP have two big objectives: Independence and maximising power. The first objective has vanished until and unless Scotland independence can amass genuine and consistent majority support of getting towards 60% in polling. They can't. Personally I think they won't in the medium term.

    So they are focussed truthfully on the second objective. Alba threaten both to disperse their authority (cf SDP and Labour) and also allow unionists to get in the act by playing on nationalist divisions.

    A genie is out of the bottle of nationalist purity, and Nicola, though a political genius, is going to find it hard to pop it back.

    While I would always back Sturgeon to beat Salmond, it is less certain that she can beat unionism, and very uncertain whether she can beat Boris in his pomp.

    It's great fun; though less than it might be for me living in England where you can see Scotland from it, and like most of us on the border each side committed to the union.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    tlg86 said:

    How many people out there "hate" travellers simply because of who they are? Can't be many.
    I nominate my one and only trans friend, who admits a deep dislike for tinkers and travellers, from his days as a cab driver in a Midlands city and having to pick up and transport them

    He (now a she) never got into specifics, but was absolutely contemptuous, which was highly unusual in my friend, who was and is otherwise flawlessly left and bien pensant

    I've always wondered if trans status allowed him/her to be bigoted in this one area; I'm not sure if Travellers trump Trans, or vice versa
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,850
    Leon said:

    How else would you describe "measures to deal with traveller incursions", if your neighborhood has a particular problem with "traveller incursions"

    "Understandable but uncomfortable settlements by elements of colourful but more nomadic communities"??

    Really. How would you describe this?
    Well for a start it is meaningless. "dealing with traveller incursions" tells me sod all about what Labour would do and I can guess it means they will do nothing because they cannot think of anything to do on this difficult issue. But the point is not to actually "deal" with the issue but to play on anti traveller sentiment.
  • Running out of money already
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,820
    Jilted ex syndrome continues unabated then, I see.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198

    Effect of school holidays here (I can't think of any other explanation) is remarkable. They break up on Friday 26th; cases start to decline significantly from the following Monday, as the drop off in infections feeds through into the numbers.

    Kids are evidently the driver in the near-plateauing of cases for most of March - mixing in schools, passing the Plague round, bringing it home to their families. If that's correct then cases will probably continue to drop right through until the weekend of 17/18 April.

    It'll be very interesting indeed to see what happens immediately after that. Should cases merely level off again (rather than starting to climb) then it would be reasonable to blame that on the schools, and therefore to conclude that re-opening the shops and beer gardens has had no measurable effect. If so then what's left of physical retail and the hospitality trade, which have of course been shuttered for months because they were claimed to be such a lethal threat, will be absolutely bloody livid. And rightly so, too.
    Each has an effect on R. Opening schools has been considered to have a bigger effect on R than outside retail - some were saying that the schools were going back too early. The judgement was based on the social cost of broken education. It seems to have paid off.

    We are increasing the depth and spread of vaccination at such a rate that making such judgements over time is becoming very difficult. Even at the reduced rate of first vaccinations.

    It took closing everything into a lockdown to stop the rise due to the new variants and reverse it.

    The idea that retail and pubs has no effect on R is attractive. For those wanting a pint. However there is actual evidence of transmission in those settings.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480
    Leon said:

    Laura Pidcock there, doing her very best to keep the Tories in power for the next 20 years. And, to be fair to the lassie, doing it rather well

    The Tories are setting up obvious culture war traps everywhere, and Labour are walking into all of them
    She's setting her own traps and walking into them. 'A nomadic way of life' - in the uk?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782

    Well for a start it is meaningless. "dealing with traveller incursions" tells me sod all about what Labour would do and I can guess it means they will do nothing because they cannot think of anything to do on this difficult issue. But the point is not to actually "deal" with the issue but to play on anti traveller sentiment.
    You haven't answered my question
  • algarkirk said:

    The SNP have two big objectives: Independence and maximising power. The first objective has vanished until and unless Scotland independence can amass genuine and consistent majority support of getting towards 60% in polling. They can't. Personally I think they won't in the medium term.

    So they are focussed truthfully on the second objective. Alba threaten both to disperse their authority (cf SDP and Labour) and also allow unionists to get in the act by playing on nationalist divisions.

    A genie is out of the bottle of nationalist purity, and Nicola, though a political genius, is going to find it hard to pop it back.

    While I would always back Sturgeon to beat Salmond, it is less certain that she can beat unionism, and very uncertain whether she can beat Boris in his pomp.

    It's great fun; though less than it might be for me living in England where you can see Scotland from it, and like most of us on the border each side committed to the union.

    Good post
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    RobD said:

    There's no fiscal transfer whatsoever?
    As I said Rob , there was fiscal transfer to England for 40 years , UK borrows huge amounts and we get a small portion of that borrowing and pay dearly for it.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Effect of school holidays here (I can't think of any other explanation) is remarkable. They break up on Friday 26th; cases start to decline significantly from the following Monday, as the drop off in infections feeds through into the numbers.

    Kids are evidently the driver in the near-plateauing of cases for most of March - mixing in schools, passing the Plague round, bringing it home to their families. If that's correct then cases will probably continue to drop right through until the weekend of 17/18 April.

    It'll be very interesting indeed to see what happens immediately after that. Should cases merely level off again (rather than starting to climb) then it would be reasonable to blame that on the schools, and therefore to conclude that re-opening the shops and beer gardens has had no measurable effect. If so then what's left of physical retail and the hospitality trade, which have of course been shuttered for months because they were claimed to be such a lethal threat, will be absolutely bloody livid. And rightly so, too.
    Aren't you misinterpreting the graph because it includes figures up to 1st April, when the 4 days are meaningless for this statistic?

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814
    malcolmg said:

    I see the unionist cult members on here are having a seizure because Sturgeon is showing up their hero Bozo. Panic setting in.

    Come again?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    Only a moron could deduce that , all political parties look for donations during political campaigns. How pathetic can you get.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    If they mean what they say by saying independence can be negotiated and making no reference to the need for a referendum they are indulging in legal fictions. The text gives themselves a tiny get out, which suggests that they want you to believe it while knowing they don't mean it.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,850
    Leon said:

    You haven't answered my question
    I thought I did as well as I could given I have no idea what "dealing with traveller incursions" actually means they will do. If Labour had a proposal on this issue that could help it should list it not do lazy statements that are plain dogwhistling.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,918

    Effect of school holidays here (I can't think of any other explanation) is remarkable. They break up on Friday 26th; cases start to decline significantly from the following Monday, as the drop off in infections feeds through into the numbers.

    Kids are evidently the driver in the near-plateauing of cases for most of March - mixing in schools, passing the Plague round, bringing it home to their families. If that's correct then cases will probably continue to drop right through until the weekend of 17/18 April.

    It'll be very interesting indeed to see what happens immediately after that. Should cases merely level off again (rather than starting to climb) then it would be reasonable to blame that on the schools, and therefore to conclude that re-opening the shops and beer gardens has had no measurable effect. If so then what's left of physical retail and the hospitality trade, which have of course been shuttered for months because they were claimed to be such a lethal threat, will be absolutely bloody livid. And rightly so, too.
    School holidays, yes. Kids, not necessarily.

    A lot of people haven't used up all their leave this year and will have been off work for the whole of this week.

    Next week should be interesting. The kids will not be back yet but there will be fewer people off work (new leave year, waiting for unlockdown).
  • malcolmg said:

    Only a moron could deduce that , all political parties look for donations during political campaigns. How pathetic can you get.
    Getting to you maybe Malc
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    That's certainly one interpretation of their argument.....
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    algarkirk said:

    If they mean what they say by saying independence can be negotiated and making no reference to the need for a referendum they are indulging in legal fictions. The text gives themselves a tiny get out, which suggests that they want you to believe it while knowing they don't mean it.
    If it really did come to pass that this attempt to game the Scottish electoral system succeeded, but cost the SNP seats, then wouldn't it formalise a split in the Nationalist movement that would be quite difficult to contain? If they did end up with 60+% of the seats in the Scottish Parliament then they would actually likely quickly lose control of the agenda with Alba massively pushing for prioritising Independence above all else (even if they didn't push for some kind of UDI idea).

    Pretending that Independence support was significantly in excess of what it actually was is not likely to bring waverers over to the indy side.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,850

    School holidays, yes. Kids, not necessarily.

    A lot of people haven't used up all their leave this year and will have been off work for the whole of this week.

    Next week should be interesting. The kids will not be back yet but there will be fewer people off work (new leave year, waiting for unlockdown).
    Doesn't matter how many cases as it should not change policy now given that with the vaccination programmes there should not be many hospitalised cases or deaths. Death and hospitalisation happen from many things .We have to learn to forget about covid
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    Omnium said:

    Whatever the EU's madness the press are worse. I can't think of a single journalist who I now respect.
    There are a few.

    Tim Harford?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188

    Doesn't matter how many cases as it should not change policy now given that with the vaccination programmes there should not be many hospitalised cases or deaths. Death and hospitalisation happen from many things .We have to learn to forget about covid
    Also lots of schools didn't break up until THIS thursday.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited April 2021
    Better late than never I suppose.....

    https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1378058433203744771?s=20


    "Leading COVAX donors"

    After:
    USA: 2.5bn
    DE: 1.1bn
    UK: 0.7bn
    EU: 0.5bn

    https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/covid/covax/COVAX-AMC-Donors-Table.pdf
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