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Very much so. The detour around that blockage is something like 10 days’ sailing for most large vessels. Pretty much every co trainer ship and oil tanker ship from Asia and the ME heading to Europe, goes through the Suez Canal.algarkirk said:
Small but significant chance that this will become a huge story, including about petrol supplies etc.Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/GriffeyHilary/status/1374647950425612288Gallowgate said:Apparently the Ever Given had a power blackout during 50kmh winds while transversing the canal. The perfect storm...
BRB filling my car to the brim with petrol...
New image from the other side. It’s properly stuck, they’re going to need more than a few more diggers to get it out!
It’s been stuck for about a day so far, if the canal isn’t reopened for a couple of days more there will be a massive knock-on effect on worldwide shipping. By the weekend this will be the biggest global news story.0 -
the issue is we don't need uneducated men - we have enough of those already, the only economic migrants we need (hey being honest the only migrants we need) are people who fill in skill shortages.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not absurd and yes they can, that's called economic migration and we allow economic migration through other routes too.OldKingCole said:
If you really want to reductio ad absurdem, then I suggest you wonder whether the healthy young man can, once settled, build a life here, pay taxes and contribute to our economy.Philip_Thompson said:
An estimated 1.35 billion people speak English, should we house them all?OldKingCole said:
It's more complex, isn't it. Many of those refugees have some connection with UK such as a relative here already. Others have some ability to speak English...... one of the worlds universal languages.Philip_Thompson said:
Something I agree with you on.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is of course populist politics, but it will have resonance. I regard myself as a centrist, but I do find it quite galling that anyone who is claiming to be fleeing persecution can travel through a number of perfectly safe states and then say, "actually I want to claim safety in a place much further away that also involves me risking my family in an inflatable".RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
I welcome refugees and migration in general. But we should be helping those in need, not those selfish/stupid/dangerous enough to be putting themselves or their family in dinghies from the hostile dangerous state of ... France.
There are millions of refugees in Turkey etc law-abidingly seeking refuge. I would agree with Turkey a straight swap, someone who comes in a dinghy in exchange for one or even two refugees from a camp.
One wonders why, when Patel's parents decided to leave Uganda, they came to Hertfordshire instead of their ancestral Gujerat.
Why should eg an English speaking impoverished woman or child refugee alone in Turkey who has a relative here be unable to come here but a healthy young man who has money to pay people smugglers for a ride in a dinghy across the Channel can make it?
There is nothing "generous" in prioritising people based on their willingness and ability to pay people smugglers.
If you want economic migration then getting the highly skilled or those with skill shortages here is best.
If you want to be kind then legitimate refugees from camps is best.
In no way is selection by people smugglers best. Or do you think people smugglers risking people's lives are the best means of migration?0 -
Oh dear, not looking good then!eek said:
They have - every tug boat they can fine.tlg86 said:
Can't they send another ship up to it, tie some ropes to it, and yank it off?Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/GriffeyHilary/status/1374647950425612288Gallowgate said:Apparently the Ever Given had a power blackout during 50kmh winds while transversing the canal. The perfect storm...
BRB filling my car to the brim with petrol...
New image from the other side. It’s properly stuck, they’re going to need more than a few more diggers to get it out!
It won't solve anything unless they can unground it by either removing sand or removing weight from the boat.
The boat needs to float and currently it isn't..0 -
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People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.1 -
Couple of plane-loads at Stansted should stir things up.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.0 -
Anthony Eden must be partying somewhere in the afterlife.3
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There's something about humans which worries them about 'different'. Must originate from competition with Neanderthals and Denisovians etc.Andy_JS said:"Harry and Meghan's new strategist has revealed that she realised she was racist after marrying her black husband.
Genevieve Roth believes that all white people are 'rife with internalised racism and unconscious bias'."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9395755/Marrying-husband-realise-racist-Harry-Meghans-new-strategist-says.html#comments0 -
The 2 countries that understand all pharmaceutical production will leave the EU very quickly if they aren't careful are telling the other countries to not be so stupid.CarlottaVance said:
Can't see it working.1 -
This is correct. Well "never" is a long time, but there's certainly zero possibility of it happening any time soon.MaxPB said:
The Union will never go into a coalition with AfD. It's a complete non-starter.HYUFD said:
CDU, AFD and FDP on 46%, same as Greens, SPD and Linke, Soder CSU Leader must now surely replace CDU leader Laschet as Union candidateCarlottaVance said:0 -
It's not so nice, what she's proposin, but I imagine it will play well. It strikes me that the Red Wallers, with the disproportionate influence the electoral maths of GE19 has delivered unto them, are like the DUP were after GE17. In which case they would do well to remember what Boris Johnson said about an Irish Sea border (never never never) and contrast it with what he did (agreed to one).eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:1 -
Write up of @SpinningHugo's explanation of what the Commission have got wrong and haven't got a legal leg to stand on:
What each counterparty is entitled to is the doses that AstraZeneca succeeds, using best reasonable efforts, in producing under its contract. A metaphor is that each is buying a place in a production queue [Flow]. Neither was buying doses current in existence [Stock].
The metaphor of the queue is however somewhat misleading. It implies that the Commission is having to wait behind the United Kingdom. This is wrong. In fact, the Commission (and other parties) are benefitting from the earlier development and ramp up of production that occurred because of the United Kingdom’s contractual arrangements. Far from being prejudiced by the United Kingdom’s actions, the Commission and others have benefitted from it.
https://truthonthemarket.com/2021/03/24/understanding-the-european-commissions-dispute-with-astrazeneca/
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Every tug boat and dredger in Egypt is currently heading down there!eek said:
They have - every tug boat they can find.tlg86 said:
Can't they send another ship up to it, tie some ropes to it, and yank it off?Sandpit said:
https://twitter.com/GriffeyHilary/status/1374647950425612288Gallowgate said:Apparently the Ever Given had a power blackout during 50kmh winds while transversing the canal. The perfect storm...
BRB filling my car to the brim with petrol...
New image from the other side. It’s properly stuck, they’re going to need more than a few more diggers to get it out!
It won't solve anything unless they can unground it by either removing sand or removing weight from the boat.
The boat needs to float and currently it isn't..
If they have to start unloading it with a crane boat, it could take a week or more to get enough weight off, one container at a time!0 -
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That might be true for you Philip, but you are being rather generous about your fellow humansPhilip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.1 -
People created enough fuss about hard-working Poles.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.1 -
The secret stash story is back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/eu-showdown-looms-with-uk-over-30-million-astrazeneca-doses-1.4518387
Seems a little overegged in most ways.
My questions:
1 - How many of these are contractually UK vaccine?
2 - Which factory NL or BE?
3 - What is the balance between "stockpile" and "stock?
4 - How long is the fill and finish process? eg do they have to sit?
5 - How many are held there because they have not been drawn into a JIT supply chain?
6 - Does this mean we have discovered the Australian Pirate Treasure that the EU Commissioner lost?
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From Uluru!? 😲😱Big_G_NorthWales said:Just read a report that the serious flooding around Sydney is twice the size of the UK and waterfalls are flowing off Uluru (Ayers Rock)
That is truly shocking.0 -
https://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1374660866243715075?s=20MattW said:The secret stash story is back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/eu-showdown-looms-with-uk-over-30-million-astrazeneca-doses-1.4518387
Seems a little overegged in most ways.
My questions:
1 - How many of these are contractually UK vaccine?
2 - Which factory NL or BE?
3 - What is the balance between "stockpile" and "stock?
4 - How long is the fill and finish process? eg do they have to sit?
5 - How many are held there because they have not been drawn into a JIT supply chain?
6 - Does this mean we have discovered the Australian Pirate Treasure that the EU Commissioner lost?0 -
Why are you bringing economic migration into a debate about asylum?OldKingCole said:
People created enough fuss about hard-working Poles.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.2 -
That could be awkward.Pulpstar said:
Politics for all has put amusing embellishments into other tweets too - the picture of the Beirut explosion into the "Bomb Bristol" story for instance.MattW said:
Someone stirring.Dura_Ace said:Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1374484531516862483
Reaper drones to patrol the beaches !
Reapers don't conform to STANAG 4671 so they cannot be operated in civvie airspace. They are also based in Akrotiri so it's a bit of a long transit to get on station over Bournemouth.
MQ-9B Protector can but they aren't arriving until 2023.
That drone photo is not in the newspaper story.
Named and shamed. Quite right too.CarlottaVance said:So not some chav then:
https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1374632851153489924?s=20
Dog out of control is now quite serious.
Up to unlimited fine / 6 months.
An for a law type.0 -
My (ethnically Chinese) other half left Hong Kong with his parents in 1997 when he was six. He has serious misgivings about the new BNO immigration rules. Not endorsing his views just relaying them because I think his perspective is interesting.OldKingCole said:
Couple of plane-loads at Stansted should stir things up.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
Partly I think this is a sense of unfairness. His parents had no right to live in the UK where they wanted to go so ended up in Canada. He's been in the UK 11 years now and thousands and thousands of pounds later he's only just been granted permanent residence.
He also thinks that most of the older people who might come over have spent a long time in Hong Kong enjoying the benefits of low taxation and periodic financial gifts from the authorities. Again I think he feels a sense of unfairness that older émigrés saw the writing on the wall ages ago and made huge sacrifices to up sticks and leave.
Also having grown up in heavily Chinese enclaves in Canada he worries about how well such a potentially large group would integrate.0 -
There'll be some extremists but they're a teeny, tiny minority.kjh said:
That might be true for you Philip, but you are being rather generous about your fellow humansPhilip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.
There's a reason why the people on dinghies or lorries create the outrage when an order of magnitude more people get asylum into this country from legitimate routes.
There's a reason why there's been no outrage regarding Hong Kong.0 -
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Forget all these roundabout best PM questions 'Who would you rather have a drink with...... Who would you trust in a crisis...... Who better understands people like me........'Jonathan said:Boris Johnson, what an arsehole.
Instead one simple agree /disagree question that covers everything..........that's perfect
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Poles sought asylum?OldKingCole said:
People created enough fuss about hard-working Poles.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.0 -
He's right.rottenborough said:Blimey. Actual Liberals.
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1374444850997694468
Not that it will do him or his party much good.0 -
I was replying to Philip Thompson's comment about generosity and legitimacy.tlg86 said:
Why are you bringing economic migration into a debate about asylum?OldKingCole said:
People created enough fuss about hard-working Poles.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.0 -
Yes, we accept tens of thousands of asylum seekers per year but the ones objected to are not the tens of thousands, its the hundreds or thousands coming through dangerous routes.OldKingCole said:
I was replying to Philip Thompson's comment about generosity and legitimacy.tlg86 said:
Why are you bringing economic migration into a debate about asylum?OldKingCole said:
People created enough fuss about hard-working Poles.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.
The solution to this crisis is the same one David Cameron came up in 2015. Fly legitimate asylum seekers direct from Turkey etc, rather than some sort of Darwinian survival of the fittest of whoever can make it here of their own accord.1 -
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I imagine the precise value of British tourists to countries within the EU is being shared by our diplomats in those countries with those countries' governments and the EU Commission right now.Andy_JS said:Does anyone know how reliant the Greek and Spanish economies usually are on British tourism? It could be a difficult year for them if the answer is very much.
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The reason is it hasn't happened yet. People react to things actually happening (or they imagine happening hyped by the Daily Mail and social media).Philip_Thompson said:
There'll be some extremists but they're a teeny, tiny minority.kjh said:
That might be true for you Philip, but you are being rather generous about your fellow humansPhilip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.
There's a reason why the people on dinghies or lorries create the outrage when an order of magnitude more people get asylum into this country from legitimate routes.
There's a reason why there's been no outrage regarding Hong Kong.
As I said I think you are being generous about your fellow man. I do not for one second believe it is a 'teeny tiny minority' unfortunately. Unfortunately the population has a significant number of bigots.0 -
Interesting that for Britain the excess death second peak is smaller than the first one, which is not the same as the graph of Covid deaths: that seems to imply that some other deaths ('flu?) were being prevented thus reducing the overall effect.Andy_JS said:0 -
Your first point is correct, but that does not make it right as a basis of asylum policy. If a person is fleeing persecution it makes sense to me that asylum should be applied for in the first safe country the asylum seeker enters. If they then wish to apply to another country it is up to them to do it from their asylum base as an economic migrant, which is perfectly honourable. I am no frothing right winger, but it makes sense to discourage people from thinking they can travel through numerous safe countries on their way here, and if this is discouraged it may disincentivise the traffickersOldKingCole said:
It's more complex, isn't it. Many of those refugees have some connection with UK such as a relative here already. Others have some ability to speak English...... one of the worlds universal languages.Philip_Thompson said:
Something I agree with you on.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is of course populist politics, but it will have resonance. I regard myself as a centrist, but I do find it quite galling that anyone who is claiming to be fleeing persecution can travel through a number of perfectly safe states and then say, "actually I want to claim safety in a place much further away that also involves me risking my family in an inflatable".RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
I welcome refugees and migration in general. But we should be helping those in need, not those selfish/stupid/dangerous enough to be putting themselves or their family in dinghies from the hostile dangerous state of ... France.
There are millions of refugees in Turkey etc law-abidingly seeking refuge. I would agree with Turkey a straight swap, someone who comes in a dinghy in exchange for one or even two refugees from a camp.
One wonders why, when Patel's parents decided to leave Uganda, they came to Hertfordshire instead of making for their ancestral Gujerat.1 -
I have been doing some buying for the house and pretty much everywhere offers a discount on your first order.IanB2 said:
There's definitely discounting to encourage sales going on - a lot of it through sites like Quidco. They're regularly making quite significant short-term cashback offers now, such as 20% off (via cashback) at Pets at Home last Friday, 10% at Booking.com at the weekend, 10% at B%Q yesterday. And retailers like Clarks shoes seem on permanent sale.OldKingCole said:
I would not be surprised if some food grown, caught or whatever in and around UK became cheaper fo a while, as the growers, catchers etc try to get rid of it. Once those involved realise though that UK is their only market some of them will go off and try to do something else.IanB2 said:Breaking: surprise drop in inflation to 0.4%
Food is getting cheaper, apparently, along with clothes and shoes. Suggestions there is discounting to encourage sales during lockdown (and also that the ONS is having to 'guess' prices where services are closed)
How much shellfish can, or will, we eat? Same with lamb.
Perhaps retailers are trying to keep a steady demand for online sales to match their capacity?
And discounting via cashback offers probably doesn't get reflected in RPI.
Worth noting that the police/prosecution failures were the same as have happened more recently ie disclosure failures, destruction of evidence and making stuff up. All those lessons learned, eh!Theuniondivvie said:Speak out against the state’s prejudiced prosecution of militant industrial action? Bit too controversial I’m afraid, might piss off the red tops.
50 years ago you say?
Hard work already done you say?
That funny bloke off The Royle Family you say?
Let’s go for it!
https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1374374378738130956?s=21
If people are granted asylum they cannot be removed. Why does the Home Office come out with stuff that they must know is blatantly untrue?Scott_xP said:2 -
I have watched the video from Uluru and it is amazingPhilip_Thompson said:
From Uluru!? 😲😱Big_G_NorthWales said:Just read a report that the serious flooding around Sydney is twice the size of the UK and waterfalls are flowing off Uluru (Ayers Rock)
That is truly shocking.
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Thanks, and I don't necessarily disagree with your comment. I think I'm right in saying that France, Germany & Italy have accepted more migrants than the UK has, and only France and Italy are likely to be 'first countries". However I'm not entirely certain that adequate and/or accurate information is always available to the poor souls under discussion, and I think that a certain amount of leeway should be given them.Nigel_Foremain said:
Your first point is correct, but that does not make it right as a basis of asylum policy. If a person is fleeing persecution it makes sense to me that asylum should be applied for in the first safe country the asylum seeker enters. If they then wish to apply to another country it is up to them to do it from their asylum base as an economic migrant, which is perfectly honourable. I am no frothing right winger, but it makes sense to discourage people from thinking they can travel through numerous safe countries on their way here, and if this is discouraged it may disincentivise the traffickersOldKingCole said:
It's more complex, isn't it. Many of those refugees have some connection with UK such as a relative here already. Others have some ability to speak English...... one of the worlds universal languages.Philip_Thompson said:
Something I agree with you on.Nigel_Foremain said:
It is of course populist politics, but it will have resonance. I regard myself as a centrist, but I do find it quite galling that anyone who is claiming to be fleeing persecution can travel through a number of perfectly safe states and then say, "actually I want to claim safety in a place much further away that also involves me risking my family in an inflatable".RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
I welcome refugees and migration in general. But we should be helping those in need, not those selfish/stupid/dangerous enough to be putting themselves or their family in dinghies from the hostile dangerous state of ... France.
There are millions of refugees in Turkey etc law-abidingly seeking refuge. I would agree with Turkey a straight swap, someone who comes in a dinghy in exchange for one or even two refugees from a camp.
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Bit late to realise it afterwards.Andy_JS said:"Harry and Meghan's new strategist has revealed that she realised she was racist after marrying her black husband.
Genevieve Roth believes that all white people are 'rife with internalised racism and unconscious bias'."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9395755/Marrying-husband-realise-racist-Harry-Meghans-new-strategist-says.html#comments0 -
They might be in Cheshire. They are not in the red wall and rural areas. All of the migrants that the food industry relies in in east anglia are legally here. And yet shit kickers voted in large numbers to have Brexit because their towns are too forrin and they've taken all the jobs.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.0 -
Last time I looked you weren't a Corbynite Socialist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not content for a perpetual Boris but for now I am content that he continues in post and on Blair I voted for two of his three terms and was not at all disappointed when he left officeMexicanpete said:
This is the perennial problem with Labour idealogues, they hate compromise more than they do the Conservatives. This is why they are content to see perpetual Johnson and disappointed at three terms of Blair.Pulpstar said:The danger for Labour is that conservative voters think they're "acceptable" without actually voting for them whilst the left deserts them for the greens or something.
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Somebody forgot to put on their reading glasses!Mexicanpete said:
Last time I looked you weren't a Corbynite Socialist.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not content for a perpetual Boris but for now I am content that he continues in post and on Blair I voted for two of his three terms and was not at all disappointed when he left officeMexicanpete said:
This is the perennial problem with Labour idealogues, they hate compromise more than they do the Conservatives. This is why they are content to see perpetual Johnson and disappointed at three terms of Blair.Pulpstar said:The danger for Labour is that conservative voters think they're "acceptable" without actually voting for them whilst the left deserts them for the greens or something.
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Even though the locals didn't want those jobs anyway..RochdalePioneers said:
They might be in Cheshire. They are not in the red wall and rural areas. All of the migrants that the food industry relies in in east anglia are legally here. And yet shit kickers voted in large numbers to have Brexit because their towns are too forrin and they've taken all the jobs.Philip_Thompson said:
People in this country are generous and don't mind legitimate migration.RochdalePioneers said:
They aren't asylum seekers. Those are the ones who come here on dinghies to simultaneously take all the jobs AND claim benefits. An announcement about HK *possible* migrants hasn't remotely cut through onto people's consciousness. Yet.algarkirk said:
The question is how many MPs of any sort are queueing up to offer?eek said:
The Brexit seats voted to leave the EU because they didn't want foreigners. No red wall seat MP is going to willingly accept a asylum in their constituency.RochdalePioneers said:
The Tories aren't thinking this through. They should invite newly elected Tory MPs in red wall seats to bid for the construction of the Gulag which political prisoners such as asylum seekers can he "housed" in. Money can be made in construction and operation of the facility as well as for small business people who can sell rotten shellfish we can't export to be hurled in hate at the walls.Scott_xP said:
BTW there are more complications. An announcement recently opening the doors to millions of HK refugees was received without much comment either from left or right. So a straight 'racist' critique about Brexiteers etc won't quite do.
People flying legally from HK, or being flown from refugee camps in Turkey to be resettled in the UK is not objected to.0 -
Helpful article, thanks for posting the link.CarlottaVance said:Write up of @SpinningHugo's explanation of what the Commission have got wrong and haven't got a legal leg to stand on:
What each counterparty is entitled to is the doses that AstraZeneca succeeds, using best reasonable efforts, in producing under its contract. A metaphor is that each is buying a place in a production queue [Flow]. Neither was buying doses current in existence [Stock].
The metaphor of the queue is however somewhat misleading. It implies that the Commission is having to wait behind the United Kingdom. This is wrong. In fact, the Commission (and other parties) are benefitting from the earlier development and ramp up of production that occurred because of the United Kingdom’s contractual arrangements. Far from being prejudiced by the United Kingdom’s actions, the Commission and others have benefitted from it.
https://truthonthemarket.com/2021/03/24/understanding-the-european-commissions-dispute-with-astrazeneca/
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Hate to break it to you, @Roger, but it is. Corbyn is very little different from Johnson. The fact that you and other lefties dare not admit that is your problem.Roger said:
That is a post that will make no sense to anybody but will get applause from those who would wish it to be true.ydoethur said:
Well, quite. I mean it’s not like you had a leader from a posh background who pretends to be a friend to ordinary people, who makes racist remarks, who is lazy, disorganised and not very bright, and is a love rat famous for spending money he hasn’t got on things he doesn’t need.NickPalmer said:
I actually met a voter who said "They're all the same" in 2019 about Johnson and Corbyn! I said, "Honestly, what do we have to do to persuade you we're different??" She mumbled grumpily and closed the door.bigjohnowls said:
Our Canvassers have seen the return of "They're all the same" that disappeared in 2017 and 2019
That anyone would think Labour was the same as the Tories is just amazing.
As for the abuse about ‘no sense,’ I can only conclude if you typed that with a straight face you’ve never read one of your own posts.0
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