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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    I still haven't decided how to fill in the religion section of the census. Same problem as last time. What do you do if you're not particularly religious but don't want to tick the atheist box?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,251

    I'm no fan of Priti Patel, but I really don't see what she is being criticised for here (except for being a Conservative, and especially a non-white Conservative woman obv, this being the Guardian). What on earth is the contradiction between confirming that the police should enforce the (very clear) law, and objecting to the clumsy and insensitive way in which they did so?
    My point wasn't supposed to be a direct criticism of Ms. Patel. For what it's worth, under the circumstances she made a judgement call, which could be justified or criticised from whichever side of the fence one sits.

    My post was really in reference to some of the very exciteable, predominantly Johnson supporting posters who were demanding Cressida Dick and Khan's heads on the night of the arrests.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    edited March 2021

    You better not come to my home during The Ashes or World Cup then.

    Maybe over half the country are rational and not hate-filled closed-minded bigots like yourself.
    The World Cup is a complete distraction from the point at hand. As I said to @RH1992, I virtually live in an Ingerland shirt during the WC. Should have seen me when that penalty went in to win that shootout last time in Moscow. I was a maniac. Totally lost it. Love football, love my country.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    My point wasn't supposed to be a direct criticism of Ms. Patel. For what it's worth, under the circumstances she made a judgement call, which could be justified or criticised from whichever side of the fence one sits.

    My post was really in reference to some of the very exciteable, predominantly Johnson supporting posters who were demanding Cressida Dick and Khan's heads on the night of the arrests.
    Ah, get you. Yes, fair point!
  • eekeek Posts: 29,732
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    I just went for a cone-beam scan at a private clinic.

    I was asked (new thing, they said, come in this month) whether there was any possibility I was pregnant - they told me they now have to ask - and whether I had any preferred pronouns.

    I said absolutely not and I couldn't care less what people call me. I didn't want to grace the question with a response so left it blank on the consent form and ignored it.

    She was clearly embarrassed to ask, and said it was a sign of the times. I said hopefully the madness will end one day, and then we both laughed.

    If I'm ever asked for my preferred pronouns, I'm going find myself in quite the pickle. Should I go with iste, ista, istud, the idiomatic form for directing a prosecuting orator's scorn at a defendant, or ὅδε, ἥδε, τόδε, the proximal deictic announcing the arrival of a new character on the tragic stage? It's going to be tough to decide.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,317
    TimT said:

    I believe Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's research largely came from pondering this question.
    I'll have to give you that as I don't know who they are, but Levi has tended to be my guide on this.

    ‘The worst survived, that is, the fittest; the best all died.’

    ‘I insist there was no general rule, except entering the camp in good health and knowing German. Barring this, luck dominated.’

    Of course a case could be made for Levi being an optimist, except the optimism ran out by the time of his likely suicide.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,793

    I just went for a cone-beam scan at a private clinic.

    I was asked (new thing, they said, come in this month) whether there was any possibility I was pregnant - they told me they now have to ask - and whether I had any preferred pronouns.

    I said absolutely not and I couldn't care less what people call me. I didn't want to grace the question with a response so left it blank on the consent form and ignored it.

    She was clearly embarrassed to ask, and said it was a sign of the times. I said hopefully the madness will end one day, and then we both laughed.

    I went through the samething when I went for a vasectomy a few years back. Also asked my sexuality. Presumably there isn't much call for vasectomies for gay men or transexuals?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    felix said:

    And that is why your political analysis is just so much GIGO!
    Poor comment, this, Felix. Wouldn't have seen the light of day in a perfect world.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    Britain has almost stopped giving out the Pfizer Covid vaccine to new patients so it can save supplies for second doses, official data suggests.

    The NHS appears to now be rationing the jab, which was used to kick off the rollout in December, and only used it for one in 10 new patients in the first week of March.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376919/Coronavirus-UK-Britain-starts-ration-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-ahead-supply-dip.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,359

    I just went for a cone-beam scan at a private clinic.

    I was asked (new thing, they said, come in this month) whether there was any possibility I was pregnant - they told me they now have to ask - and whether I had any preferred pronouns.

    I said absolutely not and I couldn't care less what people call me. I didn't want to grace the question with a response so left it blank on the consent form and ignored it.

    She was clearly embarrassed to ask, and said it was a sign of the times. I said hopefully the madness will end one day, and then we both laughed.

    You should do what I do, and be an equal opportunities idiot. I refer to everyone as "it".
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,339

    Which means nothing. They are probably far too close to the event to want to be involved in such controversy.

    Besides the Patel issue is not about whether the demonstration should or should not have gone ahead. It is about her being a two faced f*ckwit who encouraged the police to take a particular line and then left them to take the heat - and actually joined in the criticism - when opinion seemed to be swinging against them. The issue is not so much she is an extreme authoritarian - although that makes her beyond the pale in my view - it is that she is a dishonest coward.
    So that's what BoJo sees in her.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    eek said:
    They will then, of course, lose the election, and Scottish politics will go on exactly as it did before recent controversies blew up. Four more years of nationalists complaining about how hard done by they are and continuous demands for independence.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,253
    Cookie said:

    I went through the samething when I went for a vasectomy a few years back. Also asked my sexuality. Presumably there isn't much call for vasectomies for gay men or transexuals?
    Hopefully they would have gently pointed out to you the lack of utility of the procedure had you told them you were gay or transsexual!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    Andy_JS said:

    The percentage of non-white people will almost certainly be higher in Australia, NZ, UK and Canada compared to the EU. In NZ 17% of the population are Maori for example.
    Yes, Andy. I thank you kindly.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Britain has almost stopped giving out the Pfizer Covid vaccine to new patients so it can save supplies for second doses, official data suggests.

    The NHS appears to now be rationing the jab, which was used to kick off the rollout in December, and only used it for one in 10 new patients in the first week of March.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376919/Coronavirus-UK-Britain-starts-ration-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-ahead-supply-dip.html

    That's inevitable. The supply comes from abroad and therefore cannot be relied upon. They have to assume that it could be cut off at any moment.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,741
    edited March 2021
    Jesus. That's not a great look, tho, is it? Taken alongside the odd interviews.

    Can America cope with ANOTHER president crumbling in front of their eyes? Will they learn to elect younger men and women, instead?


    I feel terribly sorry for Biden, of course, if he is in steep decline: and it does look like he might be

    The other angle is even worse. Sad. I hope I'm wrong

    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1372938131339628544?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,817
    Leon said:

    I thought SputnikV was now delivering large amounts? Not true?
    Not massive. Pfizer and AZ are being made in the hundreds of millions per month now but all of those doses are already purchased by the UK/US/EU or GAVI/COVAX.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,251
    algarkirk said:

    And because the underestimated opinion of many ordinary people is that in the Covid crisis the campaigners should never have acted in this way, placing the police in an impossible position. When people with a cause do that to the police it is rarely because they want them affirmed. Ordinary provincial opinion (about which the left has a tin ear, and Boris has a sure touch) is pro police and anti public demonstration in almost every case. Even this one. And they will have noticed that the victim's family and friends have not lent the cause their vocal support.

    Perhaps those condemning my tongue-in-cheek post should avail themselves of the anti-police hysteria that was posted on here by Johnsonian Conservative posters. I would like to add that unusually, for a centrist b*****d I was very supportive of the Police, unlike the Johnson cheerleaders.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021
    Cornwall has replaced London as the most searched-for place to live on the property website Rightmove, as the coronavirus pandemic sparks a new era of flexible working and lifestyle changes that have fuelled a surge of interest in relocating to rural locations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/19/cornwall-overtakes-london-as-most-searched-location-for-uk-movers
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,616

    My point wasn't supposed to be a direct criticism of Ms. Patel. For what it's worth, under the circumstances she made a judgement call, which could be justified or criticised from whichever side of the fence one sits.

    My post was really in reference to some of the very exciteable, predominantly Johnson supporting posters who were demanding Cressida Dick and Khan's heads on the night of the arrests.
    It's not clear that the enforcement was either clumsy or insensitive. Wait for the investigation.

    Yes, we have lots of people flapping. Personally, I think there is a good chance they have been trolled.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,616
    edited March 2021
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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,206
    TimT said:

    Foxy. I saw those reports of the SA paper on AZN efficacy. It does not appear to jibe with other initial read outs that AZN still provided protection against the SA variant.

    Do we have any read out on the quality of the SA paper cited? I know it appears under the NEJM aegis, but one of the big problems I have had throughout this crisis is assessing which papers to believe when there is conflicting data.
    This seems a pretty well run masked study. The population was under 65s and so not surprisingly no severe cases with these numbers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    Remember the guy who used to shout Bollocks to Brexit?

    He is still crazy.

    Now he is "boycotting the census"

    Strasbourg Syndrome, terminal stage V.

    https://twitter.com/snb19692/status/1372118589059252227?s=20


    1.4 thousand retweets. The Syndrome attacks many

    He must be thick because "anyone but Conservative" includes Farage's Reform Party, or rather Richard Tice's now.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Andy_JS said:

    I still haven't decided how to fill in the religion section of the census. Same problem as last time. What do you do if you're not particularly religious but don't want to tick the atheist box?

    Presumably there's a write in, in which case you could try "agnostic?" Or "vague belief in some kind of supreme being/afterlife?" Or just leave it blank.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,395
    To my pleasant surprise, cases trending down again after having been flatish:


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Leon said:

    Same in Oz. Huge increase in "Aboriginal" population, because of poz discrimination
    Could be explained by mixed-race people deciding it's better to be thought of as Maori or Aborigine instead of passing as white.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,544
    edited March 2021
    Leon said:

    Jesus. That's not a great look, tho, is it? Taken alongside the odd interviews.

    Can America cope with ANOTHER president crumbling in front of their eyes? Will they learn to elect younger men and women, instead?


    I feel terribly sorry for Biden, of course, if he is in steep decline: and it does look like he might be

    The other angle is even worse. Sad. I hope I'm wrong

    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1372938131339628544?s=20
    I stumble on stairs like that all the time, as I'm a 34 year old clutz.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789

    You must distinguish between patriotic flag shagging (very, very good) and nationalist flag shagging (very, very bad). A very, very easy distinction to make apparently.
    Yep. And I would if I could but it takes more skill and perception than I have. So I have to play it safe. I have to assume it's all bad. Better that 100 totally innocent flagshaggers get an unwarranted frown - and possibly plus the finger - from me than that one guilty one goes free.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,544
    Andy_JS said:

    He must be thick because "anyone but Conservative" includes Farage's Reform Party, or rather Richard Tice's now.
    He also says they are victims, then that they refuse to be victims, which is it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,741
    edited March 2021
    kle4 said:

    I stumble on stairs like that all the time, as I'm a 34 year old clutz.
    Do you keep calling Vice President Kamala Harris "the President" as well? If so, you ARE the President of the USA and I claim my five shots of Moderna

    More seriously, I knew my Dad was in deep physical decline when he started falling over like that. Happily he is still with us, and has all his marbles, but he needs someone with him pretty much 24/7 and he doesn't have to be president of America, either

    Biden is nearly 80

    I would start betting against him running in 2024. He might not even make it that far
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,395
    kle4 said:

    I stumble on stairs like that all the time, as I'm a 34 year old clutz.
    I think it happened because he tried to take it at a trot - rather than plod like Trump - hopefully lesson learned.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,099
    Andy_JS said:

    I still haven't decided how to fill in the religion section of the census. Same problem as last time. What do you do if you're not particularly religious but don't want to tick the atheist box?

    Doesn't it say "NO RELIGION" this time?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,817

    To my pleasant surprise, cases trending down again after having been flatish:


    The drop offs in deaths is just massive. The vaccines are really having a huge effect now with all of groups 1-4 now having single jab protection of 85% against mortality. It's a game changer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,206
    Andy_JS said:

    Could be explained by mixed-race people deciding it's better to be thought of as Maori or Aborigine instead of passing as white.
    Almost all Maori are mixed race as intermarriage has never really been frowned upon, even in Imperial days. Indeed I have Maori cousins. There are large numbers of other Pacific Islanders in NZ too, and increasing Asian migration.

  • sladeslade Posts: 2,161
    Pulpstar said:

    Christ on a bike, thought my band E was bad.
    My band F is £2853 but I do get a single occupancy reduction of 25%
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,817

    Britain has almost stopped giving out the Pfizer Covid vaccine to new patients so it can save supplies for second doses, official data suggests.

    The NHS appears to now be rationing the jab, which was used to kick off the rollout in December, and only used it for one in 10 new patients in the first week of March.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376919/Coronavirus-UK-Britain-starts-ration-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-ahead-supply-dip.html

    Not surprising, we knew this day was coming but now we've got ~13m people vaccinated with it as a single dose and capacity to do another 7m people once these second doses are done and Pfizer get deliveries sped up with the new production lines and gains in process we've been told about.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,206
    kle4 said:

    I stumble on stairs like that all the time, as I'm a 34 year old clutz.
    He is also coming back from an ankle injury. When did the cast come off?
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031

    The issue is not so much she is an extreme authoritarian - although that makes her beyond the pale in my view - it is that she is a dishonest coward.

    That Venn diagram is nearly all intersection.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    MaxPB said:

    The drop offs in deaths is just massive. The vaccines are really having a huge effect now with all of groups 1-4 now having single jab protection of 85% against mortality. It's a game changer.
    101 is 43% less than last week's figure of 175. So no change in the rate of decline.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,741
    Foxy said:

    He is also coming back from an ankle injury. When did the cast come off?
    Apparently - no idea if true - he's been told to "act spry" to counter the allegations of mental and physical infirmity. That might explain his unwise attempt to jog up airplane stairs (which are always tricky)

    It is harder, sadly, to explain away his vagueness and weirdness in interviews
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    edited March 2021

    kinabalu: 'Lol @ bollocks poll! Everyone really hates the flag, like me!'

    Also kinabalu: 'If after a decade in Opposition Labour can barely hang on to a seat they've held for 50 years that'll be a huge win for them!'

    Maybe, just maybe, there's a connection between those two things?
    You're falling for cliched groupthink. Or possibly just straining too hard to believe what you want to be true. Either way, you'll make some bad calls if you're not careful. You need to stay alert to changes. And answer me honestly. Your brand new neighbour goes UJ crazy. You approve? You're pleased as punch? Or do you wish he hadn't and want the lovely old one back? Another rhetorical one.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,817

    101 is 43% less than last week's figure of 175. So no change in the rate of decline.
    We were at around 30% WoW, we've now been seeing 40-50% WoW drops this week. There has been a definite acceleration in the death rate decline, it's fantastic news for us.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited March 2021

    To my pleasant surprise, cases trending down again after having been flatish:


    It is mildly encouraging that we're now nearly two weeks on from the schools reopening and the week-on-week comparison for cases still shows a modest decline rather than a rise. The proportionate decline in deaths is now much greater than that for hospitalisations, which is exactly what you would expect when most of the vulnerable segment of the population now enjoys significant protection through vaccination whereas most people under about 55 or 60 are still defenceless.

    The local authority map now shows most of England south of the Severn-Wash line below 50 cases per week per 100k. The most notable outliers are around the Fens, and Luton. In terms of my locality, a few new cases have appeared in town, which is disappointing; OTOH Addenbrookes, our nearest hospital and a very large one, now reports only having 21 Covid patients and just four left on ventilators.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021
    Some media types having a strange reaction to anything vaguely nationalistic, is it a known side effect of some of these vaccines?

    https://twitter.com/Rob_Merrick/status/1372944873570045959?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 29,732
    completely off topic but without any apology

    https://twitter.com/maggieofthetown/status/1372912167750615042
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    IanB2 said:

    Doesn't it say "NO RELIGION" this time?
    You get counted as an atheist if you choose no religion.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    Brom said:

    You might be correct Mrs Thornberry
    I take that as a compliment. She showed a GSOH there. People get so uptight about Labour politicians doing that. Yet they love it with "Boris". Strange one.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    kinabalu said:

    You're falling for cliched groupthink. Or possibly just straining too hard to believe what you want to be true. Either way, you'll make some bad calls if you're not careful. You need to stay alert to changes. And answer me honestly. Your brand new neighbour goes UJ crazy. You approve? You're pleased as punch? Or do you wish he hadn't and want the lovely old one back? Another rhetorical one.
    The fact that you're struggling so much to comprehend that not everyone hates the national flag, despite having polling data proving you to be very wrong is an apt summation of Labour's current issues: for the party to win, the activists need to lose.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited March 2021
    Haven't most people stumbled at some time climbing up those steps onto a plane? I remember doing it when I was about 20. Seems like a bit of a non-story.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,505
    MaxPB said:

    Not surprising, we knew this day was coming but now we've got ~13m people vaccinated with it as a single dose and capacity to do another 7m people once these second doses are done and Pfizer get deliveries sped up with the new production lines and gains in process we've been told about.
    so, if Oxford causes blot clots and Pfizer doesn't, we should see an uptick in blood clot yellow card reports?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,560
    edited March 2021

    Britain has almost stopped giving out the Pfizer Covid vaccine to new patients so it can save supplies for second doses, official data suggests.

    The NHS appears to now be rationing the jab, which was used to kick off the rollout in December, and only used it for one in 10 new patients in the first week of March.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376919/Coronavirus-UK-Britain-starts-ration-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-ahead-supply-dip.html

    Well, I hope I'm going to get my second soon. On the initial programme I am well over the 3 weeks used when the vaccine was originally developed. The 12 weeks runs out on April 10th. That's a further 3 weeks.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,221
    A fantastic drop from last Friday's +ve numbers with a huge number of tests being done to boot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,741

    Some media types having a strange reaction to anything vaguely nationalistic, is it a known side effect of some of these vaccines?

    https://twitter.com/Rob_Merrick/status/1372944873570045959?s=20

    Apparently the UK did more vaccinations today than Ireland has done.... in total
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    You're falling for cliched groupthink. Or possibly just straining too hard to believe what you want to be true. Either way, you'll make some bad calls if you're not careful. You need to stay alert to changes. And answer me honestly. Your brand new neighbour goes UJ crazy. You approve? You're pleased as punch? Or do you wish he hadn't and want the lovely old one back? Another rhetorical one.
    On my road I have three houses flying flags. One Union Jack, one Liver Bird and one Unite.

    For obvious reasons I feel closer to two of those than the other, but I respect and don't judge any of them.

    The one with the Liver Bird went flag crazy when we won the Premier League, flying the flag of every single country of every player in the squad. A lot of flags!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021

    Never mind that, of course ministers are going to want to be seen taking the Oxford vaccine, because they doubtless feel it needs talking up. Pfizer isn't the one that's had its reputation trashed by other peoples' stupid politicians.
    And if they weren't, the media would be bashing them for avoiding having it.

    The media have acted like total dickheads during this pandemic. This stuff is more important than the usual knock about bollocks of Westminster as we see in place like Germany and France.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    MattW said:

    Remember that Darren Grimes' chair has 4 legs.

    And there are 4 arms on a Swastika.

    He must be a real Nazi.
    :smile: - Oh dear. Tell you what, Matt, if you ask me nicely I'll take notes and report back to you on what the world looks like beyond the end of your nose.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,934
    Interesting story in Guardian regarding the recipients of furlough money. Wonder if there is more to come and whether anyone will care?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/19/uk-furlough-scheme-pays-out-millions-to-foreign-states-and-tax-exiles
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
    UK cases by specimen date

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021

    On my road I have three houses flying flags. One Union Jack, one Liver Bird and one Unite.

    For obvious reasons I feel closer to two of those than the other, but I respect and don't judge any of them.

    The one with the Liver Bird went flag crazy when we won the Premier League, flying the flag of every single country of every player in the squad. A lot of flags!
    I used to live next to a guy who had a big flagpole in his back garden and change the flag every week. Mrs U and I always used to look out for what it was and see if we could guess what the flag represented.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
    edited March 2021
    UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100K population

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    edited March 2021
    UK local R

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  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,253
    kinabalu said:

    I guarantee you that most people - a very clear majority - would not appreciate their neighbour sticking a great big "patriotic" flag on the roof. They'd probably not make a fuss, for fear of kicking off a feud, but the feeling would be disapproval not approval. C'mon. We all know this. So that survey is a piece of nonsense.
    I think you misunderstood me: the Queen is wont to fly the flag on her house, yet most people do not disapprove of her, if they say they disapprove of flying the flag on your house then they're disapproving of the Queen!

    More seriously, I feel much the same as you in that seeing a St George flag on a house does not make me want to dash to know the occupants. But I guess it's not so much about the flag as the connotations. Different example, I read a few years back that the clothing brand Lonsdale was favoured by neo-nazis as you could couple it with a jacket so the Lonsdale wording on the front was partially obscurred, leaving 'NSDA'. Now, I wasn't a Lonsdale buyer before, but I certainly wouldn't have been after that. Later they started sponsoring gay and multicultural events to put off the nazi crowd and that detoxified the brand for me (I still never bough any, but I would no longer have been put off by thinking that people would think I was a Nazi). Much the same with the flag. I've no inclination to stick any flag on my house, but say a family member wanted to do so then the thing that would bother me is not the flag, but everyone walking past assuming I'm a racist. So I wouldn't mind it during a football tournament as that connotation would not be there, or at least, not so much. Equally I'd be relaxed about someone sticking a Scotland flag or Isle of Mann or Yorkshire flag on my house. It's not the flag, it's the association between people who fly the England flag and racism (in England) which I don't think exists for the other home nation flags.

    Likewise for a neighbour. England flag, I'd think it lowered the tone. Union flag too, although not quite as bad. Other home nation flag or other country flag - eccentric maybe, but not really a problem. It's unfair, but there it is.

    Like you, I'm surprised by the poll.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,817
    That's what the EMA needed to say yesterday.
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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Interesting story in Guardian regarding the recipients of furlough money. Wonder if there is more to come and whether anyone will care?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/19/uk-furlough-scheme-pays-out-millions-to-foreign-states-and-tax-exiles

    I struggle to get very annoyed by story of rich person, who owns a business, legally claimed money from a scheme designed to support workers in order for their workers to be paid. Its quite different if they were trousering the money, which some unscrupulous people have done.

    No matter how personally wealth the business owner has, I don't expect them to be self funding their workforce for a year, while the government imposes sanctions which mean their business can't operate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,505
    This strikes me as an odd use of 'likes' on twitter.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1372919824188383233
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
    edited March 2021
    Age related data

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
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    Age related data, scaled to 100k population per age group

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,395
    edited March 2021
    Leon said:

    Apparently the UK did more vaccinations today than Ireland has done.... in total
    More than any of, in total:
    - Luxembourg
    - Latvia
    - Malta
    - Cyprus
    - Estonia
    - Slovenia
    - Croatia
    - Bulgaria
    - Lithuania
    - Ireland

    And half as many as:

    Slovakia
    Finland
    Denmark
    Austria
    Portugal

    In total. In one day.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789
    Leon said:

    I'll talk you through it.

    Some people think the UK would have more power and say in the world if we were in a union with like-minded countries. I imagine you are one of them, except for you it is the EU

    For many eurosceptics, the EU is deeply sub-optimal because all the countries are too different (Bulgaria with Greece with Finland with Ireland?) it takes too much sovereignty, is way too bureaucratic, it can never be truly democratic, things like the euro are huge problems, and it is generally quite shit at doing important stuff, such as vaccines during a global plague

    These people think Britain would be better off in a different, looser union with countries culturally more similar to us, who have a similar standard of living, the obvious examples around the globe are Oz, Canada, NZ, with whom we ALREADY share: a language, common law, a monarchy, and parliamentary systems - that is why they are culturally similar.

    That's it. It's got fuck all to do with race, except in your tiny, feverish, witch-hunting brain
    Don't buy that, sorry. You're kidding yourself. It's as ridiculous to think 'nostalgia tinged with racism' plays no part in that vision as it is to say (which I'm not btw) that it's the only thing driving it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,505

    And if they weren't, the media would be bashing them for avoiding having it.

    The media have acted like total dickheads during this pandemic. This stuff is more important than the usual knock about bollocks of Westminster as we see in place like Germany and France.
    The Pfizer jab is now being stockpiled for 2nd doses someone posted earlier. So any 50ish minister getting the jab now would probably be getting Oxford whatever.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021

    The Pfizer jab is now being stockpiled for 2nd doses someone posted earlier. So any 50ish minister getting the jab now would probably be getting Oxford whatever.
    Yes and so if any minister got it, it would be back to all the bullshit like when Boris or Prince Charles got tested and the media would be screeching about them getting special treatment. Firstly, they are VVVIPs, shock horror they get special treatment, but they get jabbed with the same as everybody else and some journos start making weird comments about not being the Johnny foreign one.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789

    No, I don't tend to go around looking for things in others to disapprove of - (though of course I slip up on occasion). Thanks for noticing.
    And even if you came across the most overt of white supremacy racists you'd probably blame it on his diet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,616
    edited March 2021
    kinabalu said:

    :smile: - Oh dear. Tell you what, Matt, if you ask me nicely I'll take notes and report back to you on what the world looks like beyond the end of your nose.
    Just adding a little to the self-satire on this one.

    I think you are nearly in conspiraloon territory today. It's endearing but a little peculiar.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Interesting combination of policy choices in Germany at the moment. Apparently, their healthcare authorities are getting panicky about exponential case growth, tidal waves of patients swamping hospitals, etc. etc. At the same time, sunshine holidays to the Balearics are starting up again. Go figure.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,817

    Interesting combination of policy choices in Germany at the moment. Apparently, their healthcare authorities are getting panicky about exponential case growth, tidal waves of patients swamping hospitals, etc. etc. At the same time, sunshine holidays to the Balearics are starting up again. Go figure.

    I repeat what I said this morning, I don't understand where the German reputation for competence comes from. The above seems completely stupid.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited March 2021
    kinabalu said:

    You're falling for cliched groupthink. Or possibly just straining too hard to believe what you want to be true. Either way, you'll make some bad calls if you're not careful. You need to stay alert to changes. And answer me honestly. Your brand new neighbour goes UJ crazy. You approve? You're pleased as punch? Or do you wish he hadn't and want the lovely old one back? Another rhetorical one.
    Of course I'd be delighted. Alas, conservation area regulations and issues of listed building consent might sadly lead them to a more subdued display of their patriotic enthusiasm. You know how it is.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,505

    Yes and so if any minister got it, it would be back to all the bullshit like when Boris or Prince Charles got tested and the media would be screeching about them getting special treatment. Firstly, they are VVVIPs, shock horror they get special treatment, but they get jabbed with the same as everybody else and some journos start making weird comments about not being the Johnny foreign one.
    Looks like a case of Brexit Derangement Syndrome.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited March 2021
    MaxPB said:

    I repeat what I said this morning, I don't understand where the German reputation for competence comes from. The above seems completely stupid.
    Well to be fair, the first month, they were very sensible. Well ahead of the game with testing and they shut their borders / locked down fairly quickly. I think they were also "lucky" that their industrial focus / capacity meant they could produce the initial test and then scale it quickly, and also that their healthcare system has lots of ICU beds.

    Since then.....shakes head...keep repeating the same mistakes.

    In terms of countries who are in the premier league COVID handling, it is a very small number and of those not all have planned well for vaccines, so will be stuck with lockdown harder with a vengeance as their only strategy for longer than us.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181

    I used to live next to a guy who had a big flagpole in his back garden and change the flag every week. Mrs U and I always used to look out for what it was and see if we could guess what the flag represented.
    Back when I was at UCL, one evening I was out walking to the pub with a lady of my aquaintance.

    She commented on the variety of flags flown from various windows - the World Cup was on. As in, look at all this diversity.

    Being a bit naive and foolish I pointed out that one of flags was actually the ARENA party flag from El Salvador. ARENA had an..... interesting reputation in the 80s and 90s. The lady was not amused....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789

    You wear an England shirt during the World Cup? That can only be because you're playing - what position? You disguise your prowess well.

    For what it's worth, my wife would leave me if I ever wore an England shirt (or any football shirt). She regards such things as only tolerable for those under 14.
    :smile: - Your wife is totally right but I'm afraid I do have one, and I do don it for England WC games. It's something I've started doing just these last few years. When I was younger I wouldn't have been seen dead in one. We're talking regression here.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    MaxPB said:

    I repeat what I said this morning, I don't understand where the German reputation for competence comes from. The above seems completely stupid.
    I don't understand what they're playing at either. That said, Germany's per capita death rate from Covid-19 is approximately half as great as ours, and the gap seems unlikely to narrow substantially. Whilst I've previously suggested that we really need to go and learn from some of the East Asian countries rather than the neighbours at the end of all of this, the Germans are nonetheless clearly getting some things more right than we are.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I used to live next to a guy who had a big flagpole in his back garden and change the flag every week. Mrs U and I always used to look out for what it was and see if we could guess what the flag represented.
    Fun with flags. 👍
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,934

    I struggle to get very annoyed by story of rich person, who owns a business, legally claimed money from a scheme designed to support workers in order for their workers to be paid. Its quite different if they were trousering the money, which some unscrupulous people have done.

    No matter how personally wealth the business owner has, I don't expect them to be self funding their workforce for a year, while the government imposes sanctions which mean their business can't operate.
    Must admit that was my initial reaction. Hence my "will anybody care?"
    However, it has the potential, and currently no more than potential, for questions to be asked when the bills need to be paid by Joe and Joanne Public.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457

    Fun with flags. 👍
    It was rather....these days I bet he would have a podcast or a YouTube channel all about it...and we would find a million saddos tuned in every week.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,789

    Well, interesting to see you speak so frankly about the British left's 'Free Palestine' contingent. But whereas in that context the Palestinian flag symbolizes the West's antipole, the CANZUK flag represents the revival and deepening of an old Western alliance that is to this day still strongly linked by ties of history, language, culture, trade, and defence. Its use in the UK implies no disparagement of its opposite - for that, you'd have to imagine, if you would, the ridiculous spectacle of a Palestinian political party flying the British flag at its conferences - and so it's not the same thing at all.
    You've gone from underthinking it to overthinking it. Fine if you'd paused to join me, at least for a short while, in the sweet spot, as you sometimes do, but alas no. Not this time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,741

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    Lovely to see. Shame it can't last til we get everyone done, but let us celebrate what we have here. 1% of the country in a day. Phenomenal


    I wonder if it can go higher til we hit the shortage at the end of the month?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,674
    Belatedly catching up with the enjoyable vibrancy debate downthread. I broadly agree with Casino that the ideal is variety without any one community dominating everyone else. Replacing one monoculture by another isn't much fun.

    It's difficult, though. The tendency in all cities around Europe that I've seen is for foreigners to cluster. I used to get impatient with Brits in Basel who ignored Fasnacht (the quite unique variety of carnival) but would never miss a football transmission at the English-Speaking Club. But it was a comfort blanket for them - even some who'd lived there a long time. In the same way, U imagine that a Bangladeshi coming to Britain would think it a lot more natural to live in Tower Hamlets than Godalming - contacts, birth language and familiar culture.

    It does break down in large parts of London - in Holloway I enjoyed the really bewildering mix, so you stopped thinking "Oh, there's a Sikh" and just looked at everyone as individual humans. So maybe with time...

    And no, I've never thought of Godalming Pizza Express as cultural diversity :)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Well to be fair, the first month, they were very sensible. Well ahead of the game with testing and they shut their borders / locked down fairly quickly. I think they were also "lucky" that their industrial focus / capacity meant they could produce the initial test and then scale it quickly, and also that their healthcare system has lots of ICU beds.

    Since then.....shakes head...keep repeating the same mistakes.

    In terms of countries who are in the premier league COVID handling, it is a very small number and of those not all have planned well for vaccines, so will be stuck with lockdown harder with a vengeance as their only strategy for longer than us.
    A key strength is being able to learn from your mistakes, not being infallible in the first place.

    Mistakes have been made in every country in the west. But as it stands in March 2021 I think the UK has learnt lessons and is handling the pandemic best in class in Europe or the Americas.

    It would be good for countries to be able to put their pride to one side and learn lessons from the UK - especially the 12 week schedule - but it seems pride gets in the way in too many countries (including sometimes here) to look abroad and learn lessons.
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