After the damaging spat with Salmond can Sturgeon lead the SNP to a Holyrood majority on May 4th? –
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I have to say that the news on the coal mine is some of the best news I have heard for ages.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
We have to stop digging carbon up and putting it in the atmosphere. We will only get really serious about finding alternatives when we make the status quo more difficult.
No new mine, concentrate on the technology to make steel without coking coal.0 -
Yeah, but Carrie writes the policies now, not Dom.HYUFD said:
The number of climate alarmists who vote Tory now are miniscule, if climate change is already your main concern you will already be voting Labour or Green.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1370132059486818308
How does "climate alarmists" go with the Government supposedly being all in on the green agenda?
This Government wants it both ways, some day these two ideas are going to smash into each other. Fundamentally this Tory Government is holding together two coalitions, perhaps they will last. Perhaps they won't
The working class voters in the North who won the Tories their majority however will not be happy if the government abandons this proposed new mine0 -
Especially if a graduate ends up in the same job a non-graduate has, which is not that unusual, then suddenly the non-graduate is on 9% less tax.MaxPB said:
Surely that's worse, I paid off my student loan ages ago. Under your system I'd still be paying 9% of my salary above £18k in perpetuity which to me is a disaster and I would absolutely have not bothered with university.CorrectHorseBattery said:The tuition fees is an absolute disaster, a ticking time bomb with most fees never being paid off, rendering the whole system pointless.
Graduate tax and be done with it
The fees/loan system is broken, but a graduate tax is completely rubbish and disadvantages people for their whole lives just for wanting to get educated.
Is that reasonable?0 -
Is there anything for them to revolt on? Why would there be a vote if the idea is not to go ahead? And if one was engineered somehow, why does the Government give a damn with Labour onside? Northern Tory MPs don't have a lot of good cards to play here.HYUFD said:
It should be, hence there will be a mass revolt of northern Tory MPs if the government does not go ahead with the minecontrarian said:
FFS you are fooling nobody. The tories have an 80 seat majority. If they wanted this to be done, it would be.HYUFD said:
Ed Miliband confirmed Labour is now the party of North London, not the working class NorthLuckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
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The full-on socialist (with a capital S and three exclamation marks) left usually throw charges of "liberal" at the Greens, because they aren't true revolutionaries and believe in a bit (not a lot) of decentralisation.NickPalmer said:
Yes - and the conference has lots of vegan stands, horticultural stands, organic food stands, etc., with a fair number of hippie-like people. You couldn't call Corbyn a natural hippie, could you? They approve of any left-wing policy you can think of, but it's secondary to wanting a fresh new culture close to the land and natural living. Conversely the Labour left are all in favour of the green industrial revolution etc., but it's secondary to equality and workers' rights. There were zero union people at the Greens.so far as I could see -I'm sure they favoured unions in the same way as I favour ocelots, without ever having met one.Foxy said:
Corbyn and McDonnell are fairly conventional old left.Casino_Royale said:
Can you talk me through how the Greens are counter-cultural and Corbyn/McDonnell aren't please?NickPalmer said:
You're not specific about what you dislike, but the British Greens are unusual in that they politically very close to Corbyn's agenda but culturally very different from Labour - their conference is distinctly counter-culture, which Corbyn and McDonnell really are not. Caroline Lucas is good at what she does, though, and punches well above her weight.moonshine said:Why is the British Green Party so moronic? They make me feel like jacking in my career and founding a single issue dedicated environmentalism party.
When May was PM, Labour was led by Corbyn and the Lib Dems were going down their Ignore Democracy rabbit hole, my prevailing feeling was a “plague on your houses”. At that point I’d have loved to be able to vote for a party that campaigned on a single issue of appropriate state intervention to cure the market failure of environmental damage and nudge the private sector in the right direction. But the Green Party are such morons, I didn’t vote at all.
Are the various European Green parties so batty?
German Greens are close to power and have become strikingly centrist, to the point that coalition with the Christian Democrats is not an outlandish idea - they are anti-nuclear but then so are the CDU. French Greens have two choices, one left-wing and one centrist.
The Greens have a more millennial vibe of counter culture, perhaps best shown in their refusal to have a single leader, and those having little executive power. The contrast is that the Greens are more anarcho-syndicalist than communist, mistrustful of all power structures.
And they aren't tripping over themselves all pretending to be working class, even if they aren't any more (let's not get into vanguardism and the lumpen-proletariat).
It's quite a funny problem Laurie Penny used to have whilst trying to become the megaphone for the far-left during the street-demo period around 2010. It never quite washed with them; they all believed she really wanted to become a writer for the Guardian.1 -
No, Scots back BorisCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1370134341532127232/photo/1
+5 to the SNP, this man is a liability
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Scotch Corner is the site of the worst traffic jams in London.algarkirk said:
If you assume there are only two main roads from England into Scotland (a couple more might qualify) Scotch corner is where you decide between them. Straight on for east route, left for west route. Look out for the camels a few miles on. (From a far north west England perspective it it the finest left turn in the entire country. Gallowgate may think differently.)Cookie said:
The country. It's the corner where you turn off if you're going to the Scotch country - i.e. Scotland. I assume it has had its name for ages, hence the archaic use of language.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Does "Scotch" in "Scotch Corner" refer to the country, the people, the "water" OR the corner?
That said, I always thought it slightly odd; if you're heading north up the Great North Road, either of the two main routes from there will take you to Scotland.
My Edinburghian granny deemed this obscurely important, for reasons I can't fathom now and don't think I could when she explained it to me.
If you make the mistake of travelling M1/M6 for Scotland then you never get the choice, its the west route or nothing. But on a busy wet Friday you will be lucky if you get there at all. Plus, if you go that way you miss Blyth services and Travelodge in Nottinghamshire, a quaint spot, reminiscent of 15th century Florence.0 -
Why don't we invest in finding alternatives to mining1
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My daughter, who teaches, answered the activities at work question with “regularly cursing the name of Gavin Williamson”.Anabobazina said:Re: census. I’m predicting a bumper year for No Religion.
Why? Anecdata.
I remember raising an eyebrow last time around when Mrs Anabobazina entered Church of England despite being an atheist.
She dabbed No Religion this time.0 -
Utterly hilarious, he's the most unpopular leader in Scotland by far.HYUFD said:
No, Scots back BorisCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1370134341532127232/photo/1
+5 to the SNP, this man is a liability
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It's a perfectly respectable sort of Christian. Not a good idea to think that only narrow minded and simplistic sorts are the only real ones.Casino_Royale said:
Sorry about my syntax and grammar there. God knows what happened.Casino_Royale said:
I think a lot of us are like that.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
I love churches, I love the calmness, like Christmas Carols, music on Good Friday, and I even like the cantor of some of the priests. I was married in a church, christened in a church, and would like to have my funeral service in a chirch. However, whenever I hear the Jesus stuff or read the preachiness about saving yourself and sacrificing and giving yourself over to Him in the Bible I think it's barkingz and I have the same reaction as I have to anti-vaxxers.
I think I'm basically culturally Christian, and a very English CofE version at that too as I dig The Queen heading it up, so for me it's simply a matter of tradition and identity. Something I do and an institution I like.
Anyway, you get the gist.
However I expect 'no religion' to top the poll in the 2021 census. The figures have shifted dramatically in various surveys since 2021.
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it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
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Nope. Stone cold sober.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Been on the sauce early again?Casino_Royale said:
I could easily see us getting a strongly Woke take on this in the aftermath of this terrible tragedy, with a WLM or FLM equivalent movement off the back of it with months and months of narcisstic self-absorbed virtue-signalling by the usual fanatics, whilst pompously preaching the trendiest language to use and behaviour to exhibit at everyone else.AnneJGP said:
A curfew like that could find a lot of self-identifying women around after 6PM.moonshine said:
Nonsense like the 6pm man curfew.NickPalmer said:
You're not specific about what you dislike, but the British Greens are unusual in that they politically very close to Corbyn's agenda but culturally very different from Labour - their conference is distinctly counter-culture, which Corbyn and McDonnell really are not. Caroline Lucas is good at what she does, though, and punches well above her weight.moonshine said:Why is the British Green Party so moronic? They make me feel like jacking in my career and founding a single issue dedicated environmentalism party.
When May was PM, Labour was led by Corbyn and the Lib Dems were going down their Ignore Democracy rabbit hole, my prevailing feeling was a “plague on your houses”. At that point I’d have loved to be able to vote for a party that campaigned on a single issue of appropriate state intervention to cure the market failure of environmental damage and nudge the private sector in the right direction. But the Green Party are such morons, I didn’t vote at all.
Are the various European Green parties so batty?
German Greens are close to power and have become strikingly centrist, to the point that coalition with the Christian Democrats is not an outlandish idea - they are anti-nuclear but then so are the CDU. French Greens have two choices, one left-wing and one centrist.
Ugh. Companies, banks, corporations and HR departments will all get in on the act, and your Facebook and LinkedIn will be full of it, and you'll be encouraged to join in, and it will be extremely irritating.
I'm not even sure I'm joking. These are the times we live in.
I really detest the use of woke by the likes of you. Today's "politically correct" - so tiring and lazy
Woke has a very specific meaning, as I've explored on here many a time before. Much of the population is only too happy to listen and learn from tragedies and other people's experiences, but they hate being pompously (and incessantly) lectured at by needy preening narcissists, and they get infuriated when they're almost inevitably called reactionary or bigotted for telling them to button it.
If the likes of you can't see that then maybe that's because you're also..
a needy preening narcissist.
Think about it.1 -
There are arguments either way, but surely the alternative way to view it is that the non-graduate is getting a discount because they are doing the same job but without having asked the state to pay for a load of education which, as it turned out, was arguably rather pointless.Philip_Thompson said:
Especially if a graduate ends up in the same job a non-graduate has, which is not that unusual, then suddenly the non-graduate is on 9% less tax.MaxPB said:
Surely that's worse, I paid off my student loan ages ago. Under your system I'd still be paying 9% of my salary above £18k in perpetuity which to me is a disaster and I would absolutely have not bothered with university.CorrectHorseBattery said:The tuition fees is an absolute disaster, a ticking time bomb with most fees never being paid off, rendering the whole system pointless.
Graduate tax and be done with it
The fees/loan system is broken, but a graduate tax is completely rubbish and disadvantages people for their whole lives just for wanting to get educated.
Is that reasonable?0 -
Since this is coke for steel then alternatives like importing coke from overseas supposedly exporting our emissions?CorrectHorseBattery said:Why don't we invest in finding alternatives to mining
While probably increasing net emissions overall because we're then shipping in dirtier coke from abroad?0 -
I'd disagree. Looking at the numbers we can well handle the C02 emissions within our targets, and the idea that making that coal be dug up in eg Poland or China will be greener is loopy.LostPassword said:
I have to say that the news on the coal mine is some of the best news I have heard for ages.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
We have to stop digging carbon up and putting it in the atmosphere. We will only get really serious about finding alternatives when we make the status quo more difficult.
No new mine, concentrate on the technology to make steel without coking coal.1 -
it is a very odd question, with the reference to 'this year'. Few people on reflection are going to advocate legislation, campaign and vote in pandemic year. 2022-3 is the earliest feasible time.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Utterly hilarious, he's the most unpopular leader in Scotland by far.HYUFD said:
No, Scots back BorisCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1370134341532127232/photo/1
+5 to the SNP, this man is a liability
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1369925156383117312?s=20
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Maybe, though of course the fastest way for religion to grow here again is mass immigration.algarkirk said:
It's a perfectly respectable sort of Christian. Not a good idea to think that only narrow minded and simplistic sorts are the only real ones.Casino_Royale said:
Sorry about my syntax and grammar there. God knows what happened.Casino_Royale said:
I think a lot of us are like that.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
I love churches, I love the calmness, like Christmas Carols, music on Good Friday, and I even like the cantor of some of the priests. I was married in a church, christened in a church, and would like to have my funeral service in a chirch. However, whenever I hear the Jesus stuff or read the preachiness about saving yourself and sacrificing and giving yourself over to Him in the Bible I think it's barkingz and I have the same reaction as I have to anti-vaxxers.
I think I'm basically culturally Christian, and a very English CofE version at that too as I dig The Queen heading it up, so for me it's simply a matter of tradition and identity. Something I do and an institution I like.
Anyway, you get the gist.
However I expect 'no religion' to top the poll in the 2021 census. The figures have shifted dramatically in various surveys since 2021.
Catholics from Poland and Eastern Europe, evangelicals from Africa and Hindus and Sikhs and Muslims from South Asia would soon push the numbers back up again0 -
I'd say it's part of my cultural identity, but I simply don't believe in any sort of god so no religion was the most accurate.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.4 -
Yes, it looks frothy. I’d expect Yes to settle back into the lead if and when the SalmStur row ebbs away.Richard_Tyndall said:
No being back in front is primarily driven by the SNP shenanigans. It has very little to do with how 'British' they feel.HYUFD said:
The census didn't offer as many options as the poll did, the fact No is back in front in the latest independence polling confirms most Scots still feel at least partly British even if Scottish is their main identityRichard_Tyndall said:
I think I would much rather take the evidence of the census than an opinion poll.HYUFD said:
A poll 3 years later found only 25% identified as Scottish not British, 25% said they were more Scottish than British but still partly British, 33% said they were equally Scottish and British and 20% only British.Black_Rook said:
REPOST:Anabobazina said:
Really? What do most people put then?Casino_Royale said:
I think we're only 9% of respondents, or something.Anabobazina said:
Really? I can’t read the earlier pages because of the fabled iPhone loading errors. Can you summarise?Casino_Royale said:
Well, I agree with you but according to the stats upthread we'd seem to be in the minority!Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?
To be fair, I'm not sure that's right but I haven't checked myself.
It does seem rather low.
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
Only 18% of English respondents said they were English only
https://www.britishfuture.org/state-of-the-union-scottish-poll-results/
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It's net zero, not gross zero. If we have one or two very small coal mines for very specific reasons (niche industrial applications or heritage fuels, for example) then I'd be ok from that so long as we had a good strong balance in the round and it wasn't a cop out.Philip_Thompson said:
Since this is coke for steel then alternatives like importing coke from overseas supposedly exporting our emissions?CorrectHorseBattery said:Why don't we invest in finding alternatives to mining
While probably increasing net emissions overall because we're then shipping in dirtier coke from abroad?
Nothing good ever comes from being dogmatic about anything.2 -
Every religion has its equivalent of Matthew's Pharisees, obsessed with the external forms but unable to open their hearts to the true message.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
There is no Test act on the Census form. You can self identify as a Christian if you like, but it's only on Judgement Day that you find out the truth.0 -
Will we ever be able to find alternatives to minerals?CorrectHorseBattery said:Why don't we invest in finding alternatives to mining
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It is not just that, it was the risk of No Deal and Covid which drove the Yes lead last year, now No Deal has been avoided and the vaccinations are bringing down the Covid caserate UK wide and hence No is back ahead againAnabobazina said:
Yes, it looks frothy. I’d expect Yes to settle back into the lead if and when the SalmStur row ebbs away.Richard_Tyndall said:
No being back in front is primarily driven by the SNP shenanigans. It has very little to do with how 'British' they feel.HYUFD said:
The census didn't offer as many options as the poll did, the fact No is back in front in the latest independence polling confirms most Scots still feel at least partly British even if Scottish is their main identityRichard_Tyndall said:
I think I would much rather take the evidence of the census than an opinion poll.HYUFD said:
A poll 3 years later found only 25% identified as Scottish not British, 25% said they were more Scottish than British but still partly British, 33% said they were equally Scottish and British and 20% only British.Black_Rook said:
REPOST:Anabobazina said:
Really? What do most people put then?Casino_Royale said:
I think we're only 9% of respondents, or something.Anabobazina said:
Really? I can’t read the earlier pages because of the fabled iPhone loading errors. Can you summarise?Casino_Royale said:
Well, I agree with you but according to the stats upthread we'd seem to be in the minority!Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?
To be fair, I'm not sure that's right but I haven't checked myself.
It does seem rather low.
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
Only 18% of English respondents said they were English only
https://www.britishfuture.org/state-of-the-union-scottish-poll-results/
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Fair point. Though I'm not sure education should ever particularly be viewed as pointless.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
There are arguments either way, but surely the alternative way to view it is that the non-graduate is getting a discount because they are doing the same job but without having asked the state to pay for a load of education which, as it turned out, was arguably rather pointless.Philip_Thompson said:
Especially if a graduate ends up in the same job a non-graduate has, which is not that unusual, then suddenly the non-graduate is on 9% less tax.MaxPB said:
Surely that's worse, I paid off my student loan ages ago. Under your system I'd still be paying 9% of my salary above £18k in perpetuity which to me is a disaster and I would absolutely have not bothered with university.CorrectHorseBattery said:The tuition fees is an absolute disaster, a ticking time bomb with most fees never being paid off, rendering the whole system pointless.
Graduate tax and be done with it
The fees/loan system is broken, but a graduate tax is completely rubbish and disadvantages people for their whole lives just for wanting to get educated.
Is that reasonable?1 -
I’d say you and others are possibly over thinking this. The suggestion that the case against Salmond, the subsequent enquiry, the schism over the GRA & the Hate Crime bills, the clash of competing ambitious personalities, fundies falling out with gradualists etc are all part of some Machiavellian plot to keep the SNP in a devolved electoral sweet spot of power without independence strains credibility. Sturgeon is smarter than the average politician but not to that degree, and she knows full well that much of the current situation is outwith her control and therefore dangerous.solarflare said:I think you're probably on the money. The other aspect to it is it's arguably a lose-lose game for them if they actually get another referendum. If they don't win it then the leader(s) will be for the chop, and a third referendum genuinely will be a generation away, and a lot of the indy vote will move to another indy party out of frustration. On the other hand, if they do win it, once the goal was achieved the party would ultimately break up - perhaps not immediately, but ultimately it would - and which *party* wants to voluntarily break itself up? Some individuals may be preparing and indeed hoping for the day when that happens, but not sure the machinery of any one party is ever intentionally gearing itself up to render itself moot at some point in the future.
There's an argument that says the SNP will be quite happy with being by far largest party but just shy of outright majority for the very reason you say. Get to do pretty much what they want within the context of devolution, probably with an effective majority with the support of the Greens anyway, without the need to truly press the case for indyref2 (despite the fact that for all intents and purposes an SNP+Green majority shouldn't really make any difference to an outright SNP majority).
On the flipside, the schism that's wide open in the indy blogosphere now suggests sheer status quo is not going to keep the SNP in this advantageous hegemony indefinitely. They might get through this election and be very successful (although perhaps not quite as successful as was looking just a few weeks ago), but if something doesn't change then the subsequent Holyrood election is probably going to have a very different feel.
Personally I feel that we’re at a point where the SNP (which is a coalition just like other parties) has reached a deciding point on how it defines itself for the foreseeable future. A new Gammons for Indy party might be a necessary development though it has to be said that the current contenders seem like a bunch of fecking amateurs. I’m still standing by my prediction that the ISP and what ever other TLAs are floating about won’t win a single list seat in May unless Salmond throws his weight behind them, and he’s leaving it a bit late to do even that.
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It was the ONLY answer that was at all accurate. I mean, I belt out Christmas carols with the best of them, and love a lot of hymns. Doesn’t make my answer anything other than No Religion.Pulpstar said:
I'd say it's part of my cultural identity, but I simply don't believe in any sort of god so no religion was the most accurate.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
I’m amazed you are even troubled by this Pulpstar. Even Professor Richard Dawkins describes himself as a cultural Christian!2 -
I think you are probably underwater with your GSK shares aren't you? At least you are getting a good divi. I don't know why it is so out of fashion. Dividend cover is a bit tight.Pulpstar said:
Glaxo seems to be terribly out of fashion at the moment with the 6+% dividend yield and 11 x eps.rcs1000 said:
It's actually an American drug discovered by Vir Biotechnology, GSK is just the partner.glw said:
GSK? I guess the EC will be slagging it off shortly.rcs1000 said:Has anyone commented on the new GSK Covid19 treatment drug?
The trials were stopped today due to overwhelming evidence of efficacy: it reduces death and hospitalisations by 85%.
https://www.ft.com/content/49bdda63-46d1-4ce5-b25c-030bd6f2e8f5
Some more really good news.0 -
Massive amounts of steel are needed to "bootstrap" any green industrial revolution. There is no viable way to avoid using coal in that process. Impractical handwaving about potential alternative technologies and planning on the basis that they already exist will lead to disaster in this area as well as for energy production.LostPassword said:
I have to say that the news on the coal mine is some of the best news I have heard for ages.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
We have to stop digging carbon up and putting it in the atmosphere. We will only get really serious about finding alternatives when we make the status quo more difficult.
No new mine, concentrate on the technology to make steel without coking coal.1 -
Trudi Harrison is now my MP. The area certainly needs jobs.tlg86 said:
Problem is, who do the people of Cumbria vote for if they think this sort of thing is beyond stupid? The Labour Party have completely lost the plot.Stuartinromford said:
It may take a while, but eventually you have to choose between having your cake and eating it.Scott_xP said:
Part of the triumph of both Boris and pre-2010 Lib Dems was to deny that choice; the choice has already devoured one of them.
Cumbrian People's Front?
Beyond that I have not really looked into the details of the mine.0 -
Eh? Have you just gone all weirdly pious on us - or is this a joke?Foxy said:
Every religion has its equivalent of Matthew's Pharisees, obsessed with the external forms but unable to open their hearts to the true message.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
There is no Test act on the Census form. You can self identify as a Christian if you like, but it's only on Judgement Day that you find out the truth.0 -
Precisely.Casino_Royale said:
It's net zero, not gross zero. If we have one or two very small coal mines for very specific reasons (niche industrial applications or heritage fuels, for example) then I'd be ok from that so long as we had a good strong balance in the round and it wasn't a cop out.Philip_Thompson said:
Since this is coke for steel then alternatives like importing coke from overseas supposedly exporting our emissions?CorrectHorseBattery said:Why don't we invest in finding alternatives to mining
While probably increasing net emissions overall because we're then shipping in dirtier coke from abroad?
Nothing good ever comes from being dogmatic about anything.
Especially if the alternative is to import dirtier coal from elsewhere.
People confuse coal for electricity and coal for steel, they're not the same thing. If coal makes steel which makes wind turbines which replaces carbon generating fuels then the environment is better off not worse off. But hey, lets just moan about any development at all. 🙄0 -
OK it'll take 3 years to come in but Labour majority at 7-2 looks crazily short to me.0
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In 2019, China approved 17 new coal mines. In 2019, the UK imported 6.5 million metric tonnes of coal because we NEED it. Clearly you find it more acceptable to import coal (burning a great deal of fuel in the process) from other countries, rather than getting it out of the ground in this country. It's pathetic flimsy hypocrisy.LostPassword said:
I have to say that the news on the coal mine is some of the best news I have heard for ages.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
We have to stop digging carbon up and putting it in the atmosphere. We will only get really serious about finding alternatives when we make the status quo more difficult.
No new mine, concentrate on the technology to make steel without coking coal.1 -
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No, I have been a Christian for more than two decades. I was brought up Atheist.Anabobazina said:
Eh? Have you just gone all weirdly pious on us - or is this a joke?Foxy said:
Every religion has its equivalent of Matthew's Pharisees, obsessed with the external forms but unable to open their hearts to the true message.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
There is no Test act on the Census form. You can self identify as a Christian if you like, but it's only on Judgement Day that you find out the truth.0 -
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For the next four decades ?MattW said:
I'd disagree. Looking at the numbers we can well handle the C02 emissions within our targets...LostPassword said:
I have to say that the news on the coal mine is some of the best news I have heard for ages.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
We have to stop digging carbon up and putting it in the atmosphere. We will only get really serious about finding alternatives when we make the status quo more difficult.
No new mine, concentrate on the technology to make steel without coking coal.
Seems unlikely.0 -
Nah I bought in around the same price they are now, reinvested dividends in purchasing new shares so ahead overall.Barnesian said:
I think you are probably underwater with your GSK shares aren't you? At least you are getting a good divi. I don't know why it is so out of fashion. Dividend cover is a bit tight.Pulpstar said:
Glaxo seems to be terribly out of fashion at the moment with the 6+% dividend yield and 11 x eps.rcs1000 said:
It's actually an American drug discovered by Vir Biotechnology, GSK is just the partner.glw said:
GSK? I guess the EC will be slagging it off shortly.rcs1000 said:Has anyone commented on the new GSK Covid19 treatment drug?
The trials were stopped today due to overwhelming evidence of efficacy: it reduces death and hospitalisations by 85%.
https://www.ft.com/content/49bdda63-46d1-4ce5-b25c-030bd6f2e8f5
Some more really good news.0 -
It has a very specific meaning for you.Casino_Royale said:
Nope. Stone cold sober.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Been on the sauce early again?Casino_Royale said:
I could easily see us getting a strongly Woke take on this in the aftermath of this terrible tragedy, with a WLM or FLM equivalent movement off the back of it with months and months of narcisstic self-absorbed virtue-signalling by the usual fanatics, whilst pompously preaching the trendiest language to use and behaviour to exhibit at everyone else.AnneJGP said:
A curfew like that could find a lot of self-identifying women around after 6PM.moonshine said:
Nonsense like the 6pm man curfew.NickPalmer said:
You're not specific about what you dislike, but the British Greens are unusual in that they politically very close to Corbyn's agenda but culturally very different from Labour - their conference is distinctly counter-culture, which Corbyn and McDonnell really are not. Caroline Lucas is good at what she does, though, and punches well above her weight.moonshine said:Why is the British Green Party so moronic? They make me feel like jacking in my career and founding a single issue dedicated environmentalism party.
When May was PM, Labour was led by Corbyn and the Lib Dems were going down their Ignore Democracy rabbit hole, my prevailing feeling was a “plague on your houses”. At that point I’d have loved to be able to vote for a party that campaigned on a single issue of appropriate state intervention to cure the market failure of environmental damage and nudge the private sector in the right direction. But the Green Party are such morons, I didn’t vote at all.
Are the various European Green parties so batty?
German Greens are close to power and have become strikingly centrist, to the point that coalition with the Christian Democrats is not an outlandish idea - they are anti-nuclear but then so are the CDU. French Greens have two choices, one left-wing and one centrist.
Ugh. Companies, banks, corporations and HR departments will all get in on the act, and your Facebook and LinkedIn will be full of it, and you'll be encouraged to join in, and it will be extremely irritating.
I'm not even sure I'm joking. These are the times we live in.
I really detest the use of woke by the likes of you. Today's "politically correct" - so tiring and lazy
Woke has a very specific meaning, as I've explored on here many a time before. Much of the population is only too happy to listen and learn from tragedies and other people's experiences, but they hate being pompously (and incessantly) lectured at by needy preening narcissists, and they get infuriated when they're almost inevitably called reactionary or bigotted for telling them to button it.
If the likes of you can't see that then maybe that's because you're also..
a needy preening narcissist.
Think about it.
Others reasonably differ, and have likewise explained that to you at some length.
“The likes of you... incessantly lectured..” LOL1 -
Yes it does. And not the meaning for which you've attributed and then stolen the word.Casino_Royale said:
Nope. Stone cold sober.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Been on the sauce early again?Casino_Royale said:
I could easily see us getting a strongly Woke take on this in the aftermath of this terrible tragedy, with a WLM or FLM equivalent movement off the back of it with months and months of narcisstic self-absorbed virtue-signalling by the usual fanatics, whilst pompously preaching the trendiest language to use and behaviour to exhibit at everyone else.AnneJGP said:
A curfew like that could find a lot of self-identifying women around after 6PM.moonshine said:
Nonsense like the 6pm man curfew.NickPalmer said:
You're not specific about what you dislike, but the British Greens are unusual in that they politically very close to Corbyn's agenda but culturally very different from Labour - their conference is distinctly counter-culture, which Corbyn and McDonnell really are not. Caroline Lucas is good at what she does, though, and punches well above her weight.moonshine said:Why is the British Green Party so moronic? They make me feel like jacking in my career and founding a single issue dedicated environmentalism party.
When May was PM, Labour was led by Corbyn and the Lib Dems were going down their Ignore Democracy rabbit hole, my prevailing feeling was a “plague on your houses”. At that point I’d have loved to be able to vote for a party that campaigned on a single issue of appropriate state intervention to cure the market failure of environmental damage and nudge the private sector in the right direction. But the Green Party are such morons, I didn’t vote at all.
Are the various European Green parties so batty?
German Greens are close to power and have become strikingly centrist, to the point that coalition with the Christian Democrats is not an outlandish idea - they are anti-nuclear but then so are the CDU. French Greens have two choices, one left-wing and one centrist.
Ugh. Companies, banks, corporations and HR departments will all get in on the act, and your Facebook and LinkedIn will be full of it, and you'll be encouraged to join in, and it will be extremely irritating.
I'm not even sure I'm joking. These are the times we live in.
I really detest the use of woke by the likes of you. Today's "politically correct" - so tiring and lazy
Woke has a very specific meaning, as I've explored on here many a time before. Much of the population is only too happy to listen and learn from tragedies and other people's experiences, but they hate being pompously (and incessantly) lectured at by needy preening narcissists, and they get infuriated when they're almost inevitably called reactionary or bigotted for telling them to button it.
If the likes of you can't see that then maybe that's because you're also..
a needy preening narcissist.
Think about it.
Here's the definition: "alert to injustice in society, especially racism."
I am proudly woke thank you, as I would hope most are. If I see racism I call it out1 -
So do you believe there will be a Judgement Day where people who sing hymns but don’t believe in god will be told to do something beastly forever more?Foxy said:
No, I have been a Christian for more than two decades. I was brought up Atheist.Anabobazina said:
Eh? Have you just gone all weirdly pious on us - or is this a joke?Foxy said:
Every religion has its equivalent of Matthew's Pharisees, obsessed with the external forms but unable to open their hearts to the true message.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
There is no Test act on the Census form. You can self identify as a Christian if you like, but it's only on Judgement Day that you find out the truth.0 -
Being told I lecture when every CasinoRoyale post is lecturing somebody about how they are wrong is peak PB to be honest, there is nobody more condescending here than CR. It's a shame as they can post good stuff, it's just undone almost completely by the utter nonsensical rubbish they post at other times.0
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You’re not supposed to do it until the 21st!ydoethur said:
When and how did you get the instructions? I’ve had nothing yet.Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?0 -
So do you believe there will be a Judgement Day where people who sing hymns but don’t believe in god will be told to do something beastly forever more?Foxy said:
No, I have been a Christian for more than two decades. I was brought up Atheist.Anabobazina said:
Eh? Have you just gone all weirdly pious on us - or is this a joke?Foxy said:
Every religion has its equivalent of Matthew's Pharisees, obsessed with the external forms but unable to open their hearts to the true message.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
There is no Test act on the Census form. You can self identify as a Christian if you like, but it's only on Judgement Day that you find out the truth.0 -
How do you fix those?Anabobazina said:
Really? I can’t read the earlier pages because of the fabled iPhone loading errors. Can you summarise?Casino_Royale said:
Well, I agree with you but according to the stats upthread we'd seem to be in the minority!Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?0 -
How do you fix those?Anabobazina said:
Really? I can’t read the earlier pages because of the fabled iPhone loading errors. Can you summarise?Casino_Royale said:
Well, I agree with you but according to the stats upthread we'd seem to be in the minority!Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?0 -
Fake news.Charles said:
You’re not supposed to do it until the 21st!ydoethur said:
When and how did you get the instructions? I’ve had nothing yet.Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?
You can submit it online as soon as you get the letter.
It does ask you to predict whether there will be any visitors at your house on Sunday - the likes of Sandy Rentool and Gideon Wise would be calling for the boys in blue if you answered yes.1 -
No way that I know of. Bullshit software - Vanilla. I have no such issue on any other site.Charles said:
How do you fix those?Anabobazina said:
Really? I can’t read the earlier pages because of the fabled iPhone loading errors. Can you summarise?Casino_Royale said:
Well, I agree with you but according to the stats upthread we'd seem to be in the minority!Anabobazina said:
Did the census tonight!Casino_Royale said:
I'll be filling out English and British this year.Black_Rook said:
Husband has now been fed.Black_Rook said:
That's a brave assertion.stodge said:
The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.Cookie said:<
I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).
English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.
At this point I would go back to the 2001 and 2011 results to see what's been happening in that regard so far this century, but I need to go and make dinner or else husband will waste away...
I went to look at the census data. 2001 had no identity question in England (which apparently caused ructions at the time since it was included in the rest of the country,) but by 2011 this had been rectified.
So, ten years ago, 60% of the English population responded as English only, 20% British only, 9% as English and British, and the remainder various other things. In Wales it's a remarkably similar split: 58% Welsh only, 17% British only and 7% as Welsh and British.
In Scotland, 62% said Scottish only, 18% Scottish and British and just 8% as British only, which concurs with the general opinion on which part of the UK is liable to fall off first.
If anything has happened since then other than the British figures nosediving everywhere then I'll be astonished.
All three in my house filled out English and British. I must admit I didn’t think too much about it. What else were we supposed to put?0 -
I believe it to be more subtle than that, to Quote Matthew 25:KJVAnabobazina said:
So do you believe there will be a Judgement Day where people who sing hymns but don’t believe in god will be told to do something beastly forever more?Foxy said:
No, I have been a Christian for more than two decades. I was brought up Atheist.Anabobazina said:
Eh? Have you just gone all weirdly pious on us - or is this a joke?Foxy said:
Every religion has its equivalent of Matthew's Pharisees, obsessed with the external forms but unable to open their hearts to the true message.algarkirk said:
it ought to be possible. Lots of not very religious people are very Christian, and lots of very religious people don't seem very Christian.Pulpstar said:I've filled out 3/4 of the census for my household. My other half will probably ask me to fill out her individual part.
Put "No religion" down, would probably have checked both christian and no religion if it was possible tbh.
There is no Test act on the Census form. You can self identify as a Christian if you like, but it's only on Judgement Day that you find out the truth.
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32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"
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It may have taken 14,000 posts, but I knew I would eventually agree with you on something.Luckyguy1983 said:
And furthermore, it must be said that Robert Jenrick has the most punchable face this side of Jared Kushner.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
Assuming you omitted Gove as we are limiting it to humans.0 -
Leaving aside my suspicion that the more recent Polish immigrants to the UK would be a lot less religious than their grandmothers back home, who are these other "Catholics from... Eastern Europe" exactly?HYUFD said:
Catholics from Poland and Eastern Europe, evangelicals from Africa and Hindus and Sikhs and Muslims from South Asia would soon push the numbers back up again
Beware, Wiki census figures might not be your friend in trying to answer this.1 -
That's not really relevant for planning purposes. If it's got too high a sulphur content to be any good, no one will pay to dig it up. Personally I think it's very unlikely that they would have got this far without having a good idea what's down there.NickPalmer said:
According to the Sun (yes, I know)," it was revealed last month that due to the high sulphur content of the coal itself, it might be able to be used at all - either in Britain or sold to other markets". If true, that does seem rather a snag, irrespective of climate impact.tlg86 said:
It's coking coal for steel production. There aren't too many things that I feel strongly about, but preventing this mine from opening is utterly stupid.Black_Rook said:
To my mind, the only justification for building that mine is if the coal is of the quality required for steel making. If it's good for steel then it should be built. If it's not then the coal should be left in the ground.HYUFD said:
In the latter case the Government should probably find an agency that needs urgently to be relocated out of London to compensate.
Because many Tory politicians are variously:CorrectHorseBattery said:
Why do the Tories go on about climate change all the time then? Explain that one.HYUFD said:
The number of climate alarmists who vote Tory now are miniscule, if climate change is already your main concern you will already be voting Labour or Tory.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1370132059486818308
How does "climate alarmists" go with the Government supposedly being all in on the green agenda?
This Government wants it both ways, some day these two ideas are going to smash into each other. Fundamentally this Tory Government is holding together two coalitions, perhaps they will last. Perhaps they won't
The working class voters in the North who won the Tories their majority however will not be happy if the government abandons this proposed new mine
Climate change is the main concern, it's the future of our planet for goodness sake
a) Morons who don't understand their voting coalition
b) Wet liberals who are way to the left of their voters.
They can currently get away with this because they are only really opposed from the left, who want to do all the same stupid stuff, just faster and with extra subsidies.
Who do you vote for if you think that banning the mining of coal is moronic all the while its use it increasing elsewhere in the world? Especially when it's for steel production anyway?
Who do you vote for if you want the option to buy an IC engine vehicle for as long as you need one?
Who do you vote for if you don't want to see the entire country's heavy industry exported to China by green taxes, and expensive renewable energy?
Who do you vote for if you think that given the ever rising level of 3rd world emissions, we should move to climate change mitigation rather than uselessly trashing our economy in an excersise of tokenism?
Who do you vote for who would end lockdown right now, given we have data we have which shows fairly clearly that we could without overwhelming the health service?
The above may all be very unpopular with the London Liberal types who have a iron grip on both parties, but probably a good 1/3rd of the country currently feels disenfranchised along these lines (the Europe issue was similar in the 90s/00s).0 -
Missed this before.Nigelb said:.
For the next four decades ?MattW said:
I'd disagree. Looking at the numbers we can well handle the C02 emissions within our targets...LostPassword said:
I have to say that the news on the coal mine is some of the best news I have heard for ages.Luckyguy1983 said:
This mine must be allowed. It is the worst type of tokenism that this should be mired in delay whilst we import coal, and people could be earning money.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Labour's comments on this are particularly shameful and reprehensible.
We have to stop digging carbon up and putting it in the atmosphere. We will only get really serious about finding alternatives when we make the status quo more difficult.
No new mine, concentrate on the technology to make steel without coking coal.
Seems unlikely.
The new coal mine would comprise I think 0.3% of the UK's C02 emissions, and the Planning Permission terminates before 2050.0
