After the damaging spat with Salmond can Sturgeon lead the SNP to a Holyrood majority on May 4th? –

tlg86 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

WTF?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9351793/Police-officer-arrested-kidnap-murder-Sarah-Everard-cell-head-injuries.html

So he either

1) Slipped and fell and hit his head?

or

2) Self harm?

or

3) The other coppers went full Sweeney on him?

or

4) Medical episode?

Or something else.

I'd plump for 2.

Same, I'm told prison is a horrific experience for ex police officers, even being remanded isn't fun.

My sister is a copper.

They are spitting blood because they now know parents will worry if they can trust the police, and especially vulnerable women. And they will get reams of abuse from everyone else.

She doesn't condone it but I reckon a bit of (3) or possibly he was strongly encouraged to do (2) himself. Whisky and Revolver stuff.

I think most people are sensible and wouldn't give the police grief (not that many of us encounter them!).

It will be a tricky time internally for the Met, though.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

WTF?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9351793/Police-officer-arrested-kidnap-murder-Sarah-Everard-cell-head-injuries.html

So he either

1) Slipped and fell and hit his head?

or

2) Self harm?

or

3) The other coppers went full Sweeney on him?

or

4) Medical episode?

Or something else.

I'd plump for 2.

Same, I'm told prison is a horrific experience for ex police officers, even being remanded isn't fun.

Nobody likes a bent copper.

Fairliered said:

GideonWise said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/stujames75/status/1370075635226402820

Which of those nasty words do you think he found most disagreeable?

Should football referees be miked up like rugby referees?

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

WTF?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9351793/Police-officer-arrested-kidnap-murder-Sarah-Everard-cell-head-injuries.html

So he either

1) Slipped and fell and hit his head?

or

2) Self harm?

or

3) The other coppers went full Sweeney on him?

or

4) Medical episode?

Or something else.

I'd plump for 2.

Same, I'm told prison is a horrific experience for ex police officers, even being remanded isn't fun.

My sister is a copper.

They are spitting blood because they now know parents will worry if they can trust the police, and especially vulnerable women. And they will get reams of abuse from everyone else.

She doesn't condone it but I reckon a bit of (3) or possibly he was strongly encouraged to do (2) himself. Whisky and Revolver stuff.

I think most people are sensible and wouldn't give the police grief (not that many of us encounter them!).

It will be a tricky time internally for the Met, though.

Sadly my experiences with the coppers, and the Met in particular are generally negative.

Cookie said:

Black_Rook said:

Fairliered said:

Carnyx said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

RobD said:

Carnyx said:

DougSeal said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Carnyx said:

MaxPB said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.

I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.

It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.

Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.

I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.

Never change, PB Scotch experts!

Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.

Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.

Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?

It is an archaic term for people from Scotland, certainly predating it being applied to whisky. For a while (before my time) Scots took offence at its use. Strangely it seems to be certain non Scottish types who are now triggered by Scots using it.

Lets just stick with "North British" and keep everybody happy!

The problem with that is that the English refused to use South British. (Not sure about the West bit - how that was supposed to be divvied up.)

It seems to me that the only people who identify first as British are unionists in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Most English people of my acquaintance identify as English first and British second, if at all.

The census will resolve this matter, although since it's been delayed by a year in Scotland a full set of results will be quite a long time in coming. But when they do, they should be instructive.

I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).

English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

My biggest contention with Windows 10 is actually not the performance itself - which seems fine - but the UI inconsistencies, it is not cohesive.

Some settings are in Control Panel (from Windows 7 days), whereas some are in Settings. Some toggles in Settings take you to Control Panel, others you have to find yourself.

Then there are at least three different right-click menus.

Cookie said:

Black_Rook said:

Fairliered said:

Carnyx said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

RobD said:

Carnyx said:

DougSeal said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Carnyx said:

MaxPB said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.

I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.

It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.

Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.

I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.

Never change, PB Scotch experts!

Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.

Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.

Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?

It is an archaic term for people from Scotland, certainly predating it being applied to whisky. For a while (before my time) Scots took offence at its use. Strangely it seems to be certain non Scottish types who are now triggered by Scots using it.

Lets just stick with "North British" and keep everybody happy!

The problem with that is that the English refused to use South British. (Not sure about the West bit - how that was supposed to be divvied up.)

It seems to me that the only people who identify first as British are unionists in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Most English people of my acquaintance identify as English first and British second, if at all.

The census will resolve this matter, although since it's been delayed by a year in Scotland a full set of results will be quite a long time in coming. But when they do, they should be instructive.

I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).

English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.

Black_Rook said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Carnyx said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Black_Rook said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Fairliered said:

Putting my non-partisan hat back on: would the UK Government be willing to give up tax and spending powers, i.e. devo max?

Does tax and spend strike you as getting to the heart of the matter? With my limited experience (as a PB Scotch expert), it doesn't seem like it to me. I think it would just encourage drift (possibly why you favour it ).

I think that something like a veto on foreign policy would do a lot more to strengthen the Union. Let's say there's a Council of the Home Nations. It comprises the leaders of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and possibly of London. Major foreign policy things could be voted upon. So, for example, there would be times when Scotland, Wales, NI could outvote the other two, but other times when other combinations won the day. Of course, population-wise, even if you separate London, it is not fair to the English, but it sort of seems right that at times of going to war, etc., we should do something like this.

Because "more powers" has always worked before!

Oh.

I agree, that hasn't worked, because the additional resources have been enthusiastically used to undermine the Union. However, I wouldn't really see this as something that could be subverted to aid Scottish separation - I'd see it as a renewal of the way the UK works from a holistic perspective. Yes, it would answer (imo) some significant concerns in Scotland about being 'ruled' by Governments that so many had voted against, but I'd also envisage it as a way of all the home nations buying in when there was a momentous decision.

It would be interesting to see from our Scot Nats particularly whether the idea holds any appeal.

Also, realistically, does Boris actually have the power to do another Iraq? In reality is he not constrained from exercising that power, even on the basis of a WM vote, by the delicacy of the Union settlement? If he doesn't have the power, why wear the trappings - why not enshrine a more co-operative approach?

We discussed that in 2012-2014 and I pointed out at the time that Mr Cameron would have won at a canter in indyref 1 if [edit] federalism, of which this would be a component, had been offered as an option to full indy or none at all. But he wouldn't and the debate has moved on since then. One reason is all those promises of more home rule, federalism, etc. in 2014 turnewd out to be worthless. They'd have to be implemented before indyref 2 to have any effect. And you'd need to keep the Tory backbenchers in line.

Also we realised we couldn't get past the need to do an A/S Heptarchy on England to stop it dominating the UK, which you are admitting the need of in embryo by separating out London.

No, you misunderstand what I am proposing. There is no domination of England, it's one nation one vote. That massively favours the smaller nations. The separation of London simply makes it a little bit fairer to the Englanders (though I suspect London would often vote differently to England), and ensures there are five votes so there would always be a winning side.

And why would any of this be of any interest to the English, and why would we want to be cut to pieces to suit everyone else?

If you want to give federalism a go then you create an English Parliament. If the Union can't survive fair treatment all round then it deserves to die.

stodge said:

Cookie said:

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I'd say British was at least as popular a self-description as English amongst the English prior to 1997. (The two were probably used interchangeably, and if you were from Essex, say, those parts of Britain which were not England were so far away that the need to distinguish between the two rarely arose).

English has become a much more popular self-definition over the past 20-odd years. I put that partly down to devolution.
It's instructive to look at old pictures of England football matches (80s and before). Very few St. George's Crosses in the crowd; lots of Union Flags.

The forthcoming Census may be informative - there are a growing number of people who see themselves only as British - not English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.

Flatlander said:

MarqueeMark said:

Flatlander said:

TimT said:

TimT said:

Flatlander said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Weird weather watch. I'd describe that as unwashed tripe.

https://twitter.com/slowberlin/status/1370063743246290947?s=20

Mammatus.

Saw some this afternoon, although not quite that good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammatus_cloud

The most extraordinary clouds I have seen were over our back field. Low parallel horizontal cylinders rotating around the horizontal axis as the whole cloud formation moved perpendicularly to the cylinders. Only ever seen it once.

I think they are called cloud streets:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&amp;url=https://www.stroudiecentral.co.uk/2018/08/24/amazing-clouds-over-stroud/&amp;psig=AOvVaw18h2exuEh_jPeJwa6Q0Rqb&amp;ust=1615574668750000&amp;source=images&amp;cd=vfe&amp;ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCLiF_uPyqO8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAN

Yes. Or horizontal convective rolls. That was a good example.

Usually formed by a initially stable cold air flow over a warm sea, I think.

My favourites are the spaceships - lenticulars. You need some hills, though, so here in the Flatlands there needs to be a strong mid or upper level wind blowing across the Pennines and forming standing waves.

You get some very good lenticulars in South Georgia.

High mountains and strong winds - got to be the perfect place for them. Jealous!

One day...

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Casino_Royale said:

noneoftheabove said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

noneoftheabove said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Black_Rook said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.

https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20

What is in the water in Scotland these days?

You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.

I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.

Radicalisation.

It is happening more and more.

I have a friend of a friend, who I kinda know, she has been furloughed for most of the last year, so she spent a lot of time on YouTube watching normal stuff and then got into the conspiracy theory stuff.

She's refusing to get the vaccine because it's all a con to control us by Bill Gates and George Soros.

To be fair Microsoft shares are up 60% since the pandemic started - what more PROOF do you want????

Microsoft haven't been able to release a decent operating system since 3.1, there's no way they have the talent to fake a pandemic then develop the technology to control our minds and bodies via a 'vaccine'.

Why do you think that is???? THINK about it, the operating systems are only poor as they diverted all their best people into covid almost three decades ago!!!

If Windows was any good it wouldn't take 15 minutes to boot, need patching every month with "security updates" and nor would it take 3-4 minutes to open a MS Office 365 file.

It's just one of the earliest digital monopolies that, frankly, needs competitive new market alternatives.

My Windows 10 laptop boots in about 15 seconds and is seven years old.

All software needs patching constantly, that is the world we live in, Windows is not unique in that regard whatsoever.

Perhaps you should look at what is inside your Office files, are you using lots of macros by any chance? They should be moved out and into their own programs.

I say this all primarily as a Mac user.

RobD said:

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Casino_Royale said:

The only conspiracy I believe with Bill Gates is that he's pushing for us all to eat lab-grown or synthetic vegan meat.

Piss off, Bill.

There will always be a market for the authentic variety, just like with petrol cars. But replacing the ham in your daily sandwich with synthetic stuff? Not sure I see a downside.

Casino_Royale said:

Was it you who recommended The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp to me?

I enjoyed it. What struck me the most was that despite it being filmed *before* D-Day in 1943 (and Winston Churchill was reportedly not that keen on it) it feels remarkably contemporary and relevant for a film of that age. Except the trophy hunting, which I think would upset some today!

Great insight into English emotional repression, and the challenges of ageing, whilst also underlying how attitudes can benignly cement in someone.

Fascinating. Thank you.

Casino_Royale said:

RobD said:

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Casino_Royale said:

The only conspiracy I believe with Bill Gates is that he's pushing for us all to eat lab-grown or synthetic vegan meat.

Piss off, Bill.

There will always be a market for the authentic variety, just like with petrol cars. But replacing the ham in your daily sandwich with synthetic stuff? Not sure I see a downside.

It's the same reason organic food is popular over factory food.

I want well-reared, high welfare, high quality, sustainably produced and organically reared real meat.

And, I'm willing to pay for it.

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

WTF?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9351793/Police-officer-arrested-kidnap-murder-Sarah-Everard-cell-head-injuries.html

So he either

1) Slipped and fell and hit his head?

or

2) Self harm?

or

3) The other coppers went full Sweeney on him?

or

4) Medical episode?

Or something else.

I'd plump for 2.

Same, I'm told prison is a horrific experience for ex police officers, even being remanded isn't fun.

My sister is a copper.

They are spitting blood because they now know parents will worry if they can trust the police, and especially vulnerable women. And they will get reams of abuse from everyone else.

She doesn't condone it but I reckon a bit of (3) or possibly he was strongly encouraged to do (2) himself. Whisky and Revolver stuff.

I think most people are sensible and wouldn't give the police grief (not that many of us encounter them!).

It will be a tricky time internally for the Met, though.

Sadly my experiences with the coppers, and the Met in particular are generally negative.

I've been stopped and searched once in my life (by police, rather than overly-enthusiastic stewards at the San Siro - not pleasant). My only complaint was they put my height as 5'9" when I'm easily 6'.

ThomasNashe said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GideonWise said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/stujames75/status/1370075635226402820

Which of those nasty words do you think he found most disagreeable?

Cheating, I know a few football referees and they are pretty ok with the abuse they receive, but it is the cheating one that annoys them the most.

I really don’t understand why players are not sent off for that kind of conduct. Should be straight red and three match ban (longer for repeat offenders).

Richard_Nabavi said:

Is this correct? If so, it could be worth ensuring people knowing about it. And does Android have something similar? I'd have thought that it would be better to have one of those motion-detection gestures to trigger it (like the 'karate chop' which I can use on my phone to switch the light on), because that would be less fiddly in an emergency.

https://twitter.com/AmandaPCraig/status/1370045775753924618

MaxPB said:

DougSeal said:

South Africa remains astonishing to my mind. Lockdown was eased from Level 3 to Level 1 10 days ago and they have barely started vaccinations. We are "Red Listing" them while their rates are lower than ours.

The red listing isn't to do with cases so much as variant importation. As it stands we have got very few SA variant cases and the new case number everyday is very low because of our lockdown. Allowing people to arrive from SA without managed quarantine will increase the number of SA variant cases and as we unlock it could become a disaster leading to another lockdown if our vaccines aren't effective against it.

Managaed quarantine is about reducing risk of a variant induced lockdown, not lockdown in general. It's a system that will need to be in place until we have a variant busting vaccine booster shot available for groups 1-9, hopefully September. The last thing we need is to seed a large number of variant cases in April just after lockdown ends and then find that our vaccines are only partially effective or completely ineffective as it just means another lockdown will follow while we wait.

Casino_Royale said:

RobD said:

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Casino_Royale said:

The only conspiracy I believe with Bill Gates is that he's pushing for us all to eat lab-grown or synthetic vegan meat.

Piss off, Bill.

There will always be a market for the authentic variety, just like with petrol cars. But replacing the ham in your daily sandwich with synthetic stuff? Not sure I see a downside.

It's the same reason organic food is popular over factory food.

I want well-reared, high welfare, high quality, sustainably produced and organically reared real meat.

And, I'm willing to pay for it.

rcs1000 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Is this correct? If so, it could be worth ensuring people knowing about it. And does Android have something similar? I'd have thought that it would be better to have one of those motion-detection gestures to trigger it (like the 'karate chop' which I can use on my phone to switch the light on), because that would be less fiddly in an emergency.

https://twitter.com/AmandaPCraig/status/1370045775753924618

How does that not get triggered by kids playing with iPhones all the time?

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GideonWise said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/stujames75/status/1370075635226402820

Which of those nasty words do you think he found most disagreeable?

Cheating, I know a few football referees and they are pretty ok with the abuse they receive, but it is the cheating one that annoys them the most.

I really don’t understand why players are not sent off for that kind of conduct. Should be straight red and three match ban (longer for repeat offenders).

Because clubs and fans would flip their shit if referees did that consisently, so they dare not. That they may be pretty ok with it is by the by, they shouldn't have to be ok with it in the first place.

Clubs and players won't stop doing it. Enforcement is not going to rise to stop it. So they must be made to stop. We can see it happening and that doesn't stop it, but people react viscerally to audio - broadcast the shouting, whining and swearing and perhaps something will happen.

ThomasNashe said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

GideonWise said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/stujames75/status/1370075635226402820

Which of those nasty words do you think he found most disagreeable?

Cheating, I know a few football referees and they are pretty ok with the abuse they receive, but it is the cheating one that annoys them the most.

I really don’t understand why players are not sent off for that kind of conduct. Should be straight red and three match ban (longer for repeat offenders).

Because clubs and fans would flip their shit if referees did that consisently, so they dare not. That they may be pretty ok with it is by the by, they shouldn't have to be ok with it in the first place.

Clubs and players won't stop doing it. Enforcement is not going to rise to stop it. So they must be made to stop. We can see it happening and that doesn't stop it, but people react viscerally to audio - broadcast the shouting, whining and swearing and perhaps something will happen.

It just sets the pattern, and is why you get touchline parents swearing at referees in front of their children. So many football fans, managers, players and commentators think that abusing referees is part and parcel of the game. The FA needs to make it clear that it’s unacceptable, and it would soon stop.

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

What on earth....?

https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370090870771421188
https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370091081816231939

Blimey, the Met really are in the brown stuff.

Not kidding.

DougSeal said:

South Africa remains astonishing to my mind. Lockdown was eased from Level 3 to Level 1 10 days ago and they have barely started vaccinations. We are "Red Listing" them while their rates are lower than ours.

ydoethur said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

What on earth....?

https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370090870771421188
https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370091081816231939

Blimey, the Met really are in the brown stuff.

Not kidding.

I thought Cressida Dick sounded rather strained on the radio.

Fairliered said:

Carnyx said:

CarlottaVance said:

Theuniondivvie said:

RobD said:

Carnyx said:

DougSeal said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Carnyx said:

MaxPB said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.

I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.

It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.

Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.

I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.

Never change, PB Scotch experts!

Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.

Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.

Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?

It is an archaic term for people from Scotland, certainly predating it being applied to whisky. For a while (before my time) Scots took offence at its use. Strangely it seems to be certain non Scottish types who are now triggered by Scots using it.

Lets just stick with "North British" and keep everybody happy!

The problem with that is that the English refused to use South British. (Not sure about the West bit - how that was supposed to be divvied up.)

It seems to me that the only people who identify first as British are unionists in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Most English people of my acquaintance identify as English first and British second, if at all.

ydoethur said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

What on earth....?

https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370090870771421188
https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370091081816231939

Blimey, the Met really are in the brown stuff.

Not kidding.

I thought Cressida Dick sounded rather strained on the radio.

turbotubbs said:

Razedabode said:

ydoethur said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

What on earth....?

https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370090870771421188
https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370091081816231939

Blimey, the Met really are in the brown stuff.

Not kidding.

I thought Cressida Dick sounded rather strained on the radio.

I mean.. how on earth? I’ve not felt this angry about a case for ages - how would the met continue to let the same guy continue as normal in his job if this happened four days before?

It would be wise to wait for all the information to come out.

MaxPB said:

I'm seriously shocked that this could happen in the UK. It looks and feels like corruption. Maybe those fictional shows like line of duty aren't as fictional as we think.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

ydoethur said:

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

What on earth....?

https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370090870771421188
https://twitter.com/thejohnsimpson/status/1370091081816231939

Blimey, the Met really are in the brown stuff.

Not kidding.

I thought Cressida Dick sounded rather strained on the radio.

How on earth did she become Commissioner after messing up the Jean-Charles de Menezes incident so badly?

MaxPB said:

I'm seriously shocked that this could happen in the UK. It looks and feels like corruption. Maybe those fictional shows like line of duty aren't as fictional as we think.

partypoliticalorphan said:

Received an email out of the blue today from the Time Party. Never heard of them. https://timeparty.uk/ Seem worthy if dull. Anyone cast any light on them?

• To preserve protect and defend the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of the United Kingdom.
  
• To advance the well-being and safeguard the freedom of British citizens via democratic government.
  
• To develop and maintain a robust dynamic economy which creates better lives for all, which enables every citizen to reach their ultimate potential.
  
• To build a just society which supports and inspires individual effort and family responsibility while ensuring local and governmental assistance for the vulnerable and disadvantaged.
  
• To develop and enhance a vigorous meritocracy, with opportunities for all of the country’s citizens to develop their skills across the full spectrum of economic, social and professional activity.
  
• To develop a democratic system where citizenship embraces both rights and duties, encourages a sense of collective and individual responsibility and community action.
  

partypoliticalorphan said:

Received an email out of the blue today from the Time Party. Never heard of them. https://timeparty.uk/ Seem worthy if dull. Anyone cast any light on them?

partypoliticalorphan said:

Received an email out of the blue today from the Time Party. Never heard of them. https://timeparty.uk/ Seem worthy if dull. Anyone cast any light on them?

tlg86 said:

MaxPB said:

I'm seriously shocked that this could happen in the UK. It looks and feels like corruption. Maybe those fictional shows like line of duty aren't as fictional as we think.

We don't know the nature of the allegations, but if it is what we think it is, then all I'd say is that human nature is strange. People feel loyalty where they really shouldn't.

kle4 said:

partypoliticalorphan said:

Received an email out of the blue today from the Time Party. Never heard of them. https://timeparty.uk/ Seem worthy if dull. Anyone cast any light on them?

Sadly not, though that they are even doing that much means they are more active than many of the new parties that get registered with the Electoral Commission. I can see a number of new ones registered probably for collections of local independents, like the We Matter Party, Democratic Network, Breakthrough Party (seems optimistic), Burning Pink Party.

Looking at their website, what they list as objectives is pretty standard, though I think it interesting they stress in the second that this would be 'via democratic government'. Not revolutionaries at least?

• To preserve protect and defend the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of the United Kingdom.
  
• To advance the well-being and safeguard the freedom of British citizens via democratic government.
  
• To develop and maintain a robust dynamic economy which creates better lives for all, which enables every citizen to reach their ultimate potential.
  
• To build a just society which supports and inspires individual effort and family responsibility while ensuring local and governmental assistance for the vulnerable and disadvantaged.
  
• To develop and enhance a vigorous meritocracy, with opportunities for all of the country’s citizens to develop their skills across the full spectrum of economic, social and professional activity.
  
• To develop a democratic system where citizenship embraces both rights and duties, encourages a sense of collective and individual responsibility and community action.
  

Edit: One chap involved is listed as Lord Ivan Canas, a 'Brit-Ven lawyer'. Lord
https://twitter.com/lordcanas?lang=en

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Does "Scotch" in "Scotch Corner" refer to the country, the people, the "water" OR the corner?

noneoftheabove said:

partypoliticalorphan said:

Received an email out of the blue today from the Time Party. Never heard of them. https://timeparty.uk/ Seem worthy if dull. Anyone cast any light on them?

It is too early to make an informed judgment but my first impression is they are too late to the party.

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Does "Scotch" in "Scotch Corner" refer to the country, the people, the "water" OR the corner?

ydoethur said:

williamglenn said:

noneoftheabove said:

partypoliticalorphan said:

Received an email out of the blue today from the Time Party. Never heard of them. https://timeparty.uk/ Seem worthy if dull. Anyone cast any light on them?

It is too early to make an informed judgment but my first impression is they are too late to the party.

Their slogan "hour day will come" is quite catchy.

They will get in at the second attempt.

Cookie said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Does "Scotch" in "Scotch Corner" refer to the country, the people, the "water" OR the corner?

The country. It's the corner where you turn off if you're going to the Scotch country - i.e. Scotland. I assume it has had its name for ages, hence the archaic use of language.
That said, I always thought it slightly odd; if you're heading north up the Great North Road, either of the two main routes from there will take you to Scotland.
My Edinburghian granny deemed this obscurely important, for reasons I can't fathom now and don't think I could when she explained it to me.

TheScreamingEagles said:

tlg86 said:

noneoftheabove said:

MaxPB said:

I'm seriously shocked that this could happen in the UK. It looks and feels like corruption. Maybe those fictional shows like line of duty aren't as fictional as we think.

Police looking after their own to a point of covering up criminality is a global thing, not sure there is any country it wont happen in. Its very hard to stop that culture as most of the time police really do need to look after their own. On the occasions when action does need to be taken both instinct and peer pressure will push them away from taking the right actions.

The best we can do is try and control it and avoid assumptions like it cant happen here.

My police officer friend was not impressed by that judge going easy on Fiona Onasanya on account of her being a lawyer and MP. Apparently judges tend to throw the book at coppers when they get done.

At which point it's worth noting the maximum sentence for perverting the course of justice is life in prison.

The question is how many people have been sentenced to life in prison for perverting the course of justice in say the last 50 years?

moonshine said:

Why is the British Green Party so moronic? They make me feel like jacking in my career and founding a single issue dedicated environmentalism party.

When May was PM, Labour was led by Corbyn and the Lib Dems were going down their Ignore Democracy rabbit hole, my prevailing feeling was a “plague on your houses”. At that point I’d have loved to be able to vote for a party that campaigned on a single issue of appropriate state intervention to cure the market failure of environmental damage and nudge the private sector in the right direction. But the Green Party are such morons, I didn’t vote at all.

Are the various European Green parties so batty?

moonshine said:

Why is the British Green Party so moronic? They make me feel like jacking in my career and founding a single issue dedicated environmentalism party.

When May was PM, Labour was led by Corbyn and the Lib Dems were going down their Ignore Democracy rabbit hole, my prevailing feeling was a “plague on your houses”. At that point I’d have loved to be able to vote for a party that campaigned on a single issue of appropriate state intervention to cure the market failure of environmental damage and nudge the private sector in the right direction. But the Green Party are such morons, I didn’t vote at all.

Are the various European Green parties so batty?