After the damaging spat with Salmond can Sturgeon lead the SNP to a Holyrood majority on May 4th? –
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No it does not really count.Carnyx said:
So? Still a pro-independence majority which is what really counts.HYUFD said:Certainly from today's Comres it looks like the SNP could lose their majority at Holyrood.
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1370002135362985987?s=20
Parties have also been able to deliver leaflets and to canvass with facemasks, 1 per door, since Monday
On your previous logic, I could argue that the massive defeat of the Tories, ie the single largest unionist party, shows that unionism is something Mr Johnson should reject.
And I'd be tempted to put a bet on Mr Wightman getting an independent's list seat in the Highlands and Islands.
There is currently an SNP and Green majority at Holyrood that was elected in 2016 before the Brexit vote.
If the SNP cannot even match the majority they got in 2011 after Brexit then clearly Brexit is no material change in circumstances and the once in a generation 2014 referendum result stands and the UK government will correctly refuse a legal indyref2.0 -
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?2 -
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.0 -
Murray and Ross are pretty random! Ross disagrees with Boris more often than Murray does!MaxPB said:
Meant to say Ross, apologies for not knowing all of the random Scottish politicians by name.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.0 -
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.
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Yup, all the lateral flow tests are doing is flushing out cases that were there all along, we just didn't know about them. The interesting thing is what happens next week.Anabobazina said:
This is indeed the danger. I too am concerned about this. People don't seem to grasp that more testing = more positive tests (not actually more cases).MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.1 -
Personally, my view is that with the step-change in testing, the baseline is not comparable for at least a week. The fact that cases haven't spiked when testing doubled is enormously encouraging.Cookie said:
Well yes.Andy_Cooke said:
False positive rates on LFTs can't be higher than the total positive rate.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
For the 8th of March (latest date to be sure almost all data is in), there were 1,481,812 LFTs given in England to provide 1,012 positives. Thus a positive rate under 0.07%.
Therefore a false positive rate of, at the very worst, under 0.07%
That ain't bad, I'd have said.
But similarly, it seems unlikely to my non-specialist brain that false positives can be much lower than that. Tests simply aren't - as I understand it - that accurate. So it may well be the case that the majority of the LFTs are positive.
That's still a very low false positive rate, as you say, so at the macro level, assuming we make the correct inferences, not a problem. But it's an awful lot of people who we're going to ruin the next fortnight for unnecessarily.
Will we make the right inferences? The signs are better than I feared - noises have been made about decoupling of positive tests from hospitalisations and deaths, and how it is the latter which is more important. I'm pleased to see this. And being clear about the results from LFTs is also encouraging. However, there will always be voices not to reopen, and this does play into their hands, because most people don't [ay enough attention to the details.
And while I know that positive tests aren't the best data we have, they are a) the richest data source, and b) a leading indicator - so it's a little sad that we can't use them in the way we'd like.
Hospitalisations, and especially ICUs, are what I'd guess to be the critical metrics for the Government (as those have different and younger age skews than deaths, and thus will have less visible benefits from vaccination so far). And they desperately need to give the NHS a chance to recover.
Hospitalisations continue to march downwards; the number of admissions as of the 7th was 532, down from 819 a week earlier (and over 4,500 daily admissions at the peak). The number in hospital was 8,977 as of the 9th, down from 12,128 a week earlier (and just short of 40,000 at the peak).
The number in mechanical ventilation beds has been remorselessly marching downwards, down to 1,237 from 1,647 a week earlier (was just over 4,000 at the peak).
As long as those trends don't go into reverse over the next two weeks, they're not going to care much what happens to cases unless those go massively spiking right towards the end of the period.2 -
Accents.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?0 -
He pretends to ...Fairliered said:
Murray and Ross are pretty random! Ross disagrees with Boris more often than Murray does!MaxPB said:
Meant to say Ross, apologies for not knowing all of the random Scottish politicians by name.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.0 -
My perpetual excuse explanation is to blame auto-correct.Fairliered said:
Murray and Ross are pretty random! Ross disagrees with Boris more often than Murray does!MaxPB said:
Meant to say Ross, apologies for not knowing all of the random Scottish politicians by name.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.0 -
42% is not a majority, plus the next 5 years is up to 2026 ie well past the 2024 date for the next UK general electionCarnyx said:
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.0 -
And various tricks on the command line.Carnyx said:
Accents.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?1 -
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.0 -
I am not sure that Nicola, the current leader of the Scottish Nasty Party, is doing much better than Bozo on the virus in spite of her chutzpah and the reliable gullibility of those that cheer her on.Carnyx said:
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.0 -
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!0 -
Those who don't knwo don't count. It's called parliamentary democracy.HYUFD said:
42% is not a majority, plus the next 5 years is up to 2026 ie well past the 2024 date for the next UK general electionCarnyx said:
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.
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#Edit: for once as an improvement, you weren't counting DKs on the no side in the ones who wanted/did not want a referendum within 1 year, to be fair.
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I think North Korea is the only place in the world where you can have a proper zero Covid-19 policy.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.0 -
It doesn't really matter if she is not doing much better, if people nevertheless feel that she is doing much better.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not sure that Nicola, the current leader of the Scottish Nasty Party, is doing much better than Bozo on the virus in spite of her chutzpah and the reliable gullibility of those that cheer her on.Carnyx said:
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.0 -
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!0 -
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No it is stupid because it relies on the whole world having the same policy or accepting endless lockdowns. We're never going to eliminate it to reach "zero COVID" cases or deaths any time soon. The idea needs to be ditched globally and we all need to accept that COVID is going to bring life expectancy down for the next few years while vaccines and treatments are developed to beat it over the long term.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.1 -
Preconceptions, my dear!Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not sure that Nicola, the current leader of the Scottish Nasty Party, is doing much better than Bozo on the virus in spite of her chutzpah and the reliable gullibility of those that cheer her on.Carnyx said:
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.
Have a look at the recent wave's death etc figures. A proper stats analysis is needed - but the crude figures have been markedly better than the UK average. I agree the performance earlier on wasn't better.0 -
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!1 -
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!2 -
Oh dear, there we have it, Scottish exceptionalism on display from the Little Scotlanders. If an English person came out with such trite shit the Nats would be jumping up and down in small brained righteous indignation.Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!1 -
The US have not even approved its use but still won't give any to the EU? Top trolling!CarlottaVance said:EU gets "the reply in Arkell vs Pressdram":
https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1370050667189002246?s=200 -
Scotch irony by contrast.Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!0 -
The people who said the SNP-Green Holyrood majority in 2016 didn't justify another indy referendum cos reasons are definitely convincing when saying an SNP-Green Holyrood majority in 2021 doesn't justify another referendum cos reasons. The ones who have also been saying that even a 'thumping' majority for the SNP wouldn't justify another indy referendum cos reasons are the most convincing of all.HYUFD said:
No it does not really count.Carnyx said:
So? Still a pro-independence majority which is what really counts.HYUFD said:Certainly from today's Comres it looks like the SNP could lose their majority at Holyrood.
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1370002135362985987?s=20
Parties have also been able to deliver leaflets and to canvass with facemasks, 1 per door, since Monday
On your previous logic, I could argue that the massive defeat of the Tories, ie the single largest unionist party, shows that unionism is something Mr Johnson should reject.
And I'd be tempted to put a bet on Mr Wightman getting an independent's list seat in the Highlands and Islands.
There is currently an SNP and Green majority at Holyrood that was elected in 2016 before the Brexit vote.
If the SNP cannot even match the majority they got in 2011 after Brexit then clearly Brexit is no material change in circumstances and the once in a generation 2014 referendum result stands and the UK government will correctly refuse a legal indyref2.0 -
Does suggest approval is imminent, as noted. But why would they give any up? They are under zero obligation to do so. They paid for it, they can do what they want with it.felix said:
The US have not even approved its use but still won't give any to the EU? Top trolling!CarlottaVance said:EU gets "the reply in Arkell vs Pressdram":
https://twitter.com/ReutersUK/status/1370050667189002246?s=201 -
Opening single quote mark?Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?0 -
RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)1 -
Zero Smallpox wasn’t a stupid idea either. It just took centuries to implement. Zero Covid may well be the same - hence impractical.MaxPB said:
No it is stupid because it relies on the whole world having the same policy or accepting endless lockdowns. We're never going to eliminate it to reach "zero COVID" cases or deaths any time soon. The idea needs to be ditched globally and we all need to accept that COVID is going to bring life expectancy down for the next few years while vaccines and treatments are developed to beat it over the long term.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.0 -
Small comfort to those that have died perhaps.kle4 said:
It doesn't really matter if she is not doing much better, if people nevertheless feel that she is doing much better.Nigel_Foremain said:
I am not sure that Nicola, the current leader of the Scottish Nasty Party, is doing much better than Bozo on the virus in spite of her chutzpah and the reliable gullibility of those that cheer her on.Carnyx said:
What you are so carefully obscuring is that a majority want a referendum within the next 5 years.HYUFD said:
Scots oppose a referendum next year by 48% to 33%. Only 42% of Scots even support an indyref2 in the next 5 years.LostPassword said:
I thought SNP policy was for a referendum in 2022, not this year? Possibly a rather pointless question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5jtqxj3u8b/TimesResults_Scotland_210308_W1.pdf
We still have to get through coronavirus first, especially if Mr Johnson causes a fourth wave in his panic to reopen the pubs.0 -
Didn't notice the sarcastic double irony within that, did you?Nigel_Foremain said:
Oh dear, there we have it, Scottish exceptionalism on display from the Little Scotlanders. If an English person came out with such trite shit the Nats would be jumping up and down in small brained righteous indignation.Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!0 -
I`m willimg to use them.kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.2 -
This is an interesting piece from New Zealand. Ardern's quote sounds exactly like what Johnson said on 22 Feb -MaxPB said:
No it is stupid because it relies on the whole world having the same policy or accepting endless lockdowns. We're never going to eliminate it to reach "zero COVID" cases or deaths any time soon. The idea needs to be ditched globally and we all need to accept that COVID is going to bring life expectancy down for the next few years while vaccines and treatments are developed to beat it over the long term.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.
Analysis: When vaccines have rolled out across New Zealand and Covid-19 no longer threatens to overwhelm our health system, we will likely abandon the elimination approach.
How will the pandemic end?
It's a question that few have a definitive answer to, though plausible ideas abound.
Jacinda Ardern says Covid-19 will become endemic and require repeat vaccinations, like the flu.
Epidemiologist Michael Baker suggests the world might eliminate the virus, given the efficacy of the vaccines developed to date. If, however, global efforts fail, then he too concedes that it could come to resemble influenza.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/covid-19-when-elimination-ends0 -
No, it's still stupid. Especially those people who are trying to use the idea to keep lockdowns and other such responses available in the short to medium term. There was no policy of "zero smallpox" vaccination drives were about individual safety not to eradicate it. COVID will be the same.Fairliered said:
Zero Smallpox wasn’t a stupid idea either. It just took centuries to implement. Zero Covid may well be the same - hence impractical.MaxPB said:
No it is stupid because it relies on the whole world having the same policy or accepting endless lockdowns. We're never going to eliminate it to reach "zero COVID" cases or deaths any time soon. The idea needs to be ditched globally and we all need to accept that COVID is going to bring life expectancy down for the next few years while vaccines and treatments are developed to beat it over the long term.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.1 -
I'm sure he just fell onto a door or something..Scott_xP said:
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What is interesting is casesDougSeal said:
It is approaching the point where 85+ are as likely to get COVID and be noticed as a case, as children....
65-84 are already well below.1 -
It's less irony than putting in the mouths of the English words he likes to think they use.Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!1 -
The only use I've found for it is in Stata, where it's essential for defining what Stata calls 'macros' (and everyone else calls variables). Right pain when your remote desktop defaults to a different keyboard layout and you can't hunt it down.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?2 -
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)0 -
But only because it had to be said. If people think there'll be a Referendum along every few years it steers to a No vote. Only those who are very sure about Sindy will vote Yes. Those who are on the fence but risk averse (who are many) will go, "Hmm, I rather fancy Sindy but I'm not sure. Bit scared, so I'll vote No for now. Nothing lost. Can always vote Yes next time. Shouldn't be too long."Stocky said:
That was said with regard to the first one.kinabalu said:
I'd say the SNP cannot afford to get a Referendum AND lose it. That would surely kill Sindy as a serious proposition for a long long time.dixiedean said:If the SNP win a majority, but the polls look like a No, what will Sturgeon do?
What will the PM do?
We could be in the ludicrous situation of Westminster urging Indyref2 and the SNP trying to delay it.
Nowt surprises me much these days.
The Yes campaign has to nail that sentiment. Say it's now or ever. This equalizes the portentousness of the choice. It makes both Yes and No a decision that will need to be lived with without serious prospect of reversal in the foreseeable future. It's not a fair contest otherwise.
And on top of this point there is the 'material change in circumstances' of Scotland being forcibly removed from the EU when one of the arguments of the No campaign in 2014 was that remaining in the Union would secure their place in the EU.1 -
There really is no barrel that these people won't scrape is there? The irony of taking a snapshot of someone else's culture and condemning it based on viewing it through a Western cultural lense, and how racist that is, has obviously escaped this twat.HYUFD said:
That is a traditional Tuvalu welcome, it would have been rude to refuse itFloater said:3 -
Practicality is part of being a good idea.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.0 -
Actually, he's referencing the deliberate use of 'Scotch' by some posters on this site, usually the ones of a certain political persuasion, who like to use it because it's seen as offensive by some.Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)0 -
I was taught that Scots is the language and the people, Scotch is a drink, and everything else is Scottish.0
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The US uses Scotch Pine and I must have adopted it from my wife.Carnyx said:
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/pine/scotch-pine-in-landscapes.htm0 -
It is an archaic term for people from Scotland, certainly predating it being applied to whisky. For a while (before my time) Scots took offence at its use. Strangely it seems to be certain non Scottish types who are now triggered by Scots using it.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!0 -
I notice that you seem to make authoritative predictions in your head based on current data and with perfect hindsight. Yesterday you thought testing was a dumb idea because we now have vaccines. But we didn't have vaccines roughly 3 months ago and certainly they were no where in sight last summer.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
I haven't crunched the numbers for the predictive accuracy of the LFTs for the government's current strategy but I think the modellers might be aware of the diagnostic accuracy of the LFTs and the associated consequences. But I doubt their model is factoring in the impact of those FPs on some 'zero Covid idiot'. Perhaps it should. Perhaps not.0 -
Ah, that's it - it seemed so odd to me, thanks.DougSeal said:
The US uses Scotch Pine and I must have adopted it from my wife.Carnyx said:
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/pine/scotch-pine-in-landscapes.htm0 -
Super-pedantry:Carnyx said:
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
It is "Scots pine" - the pine is not capitalised. In fact "Scotch pine" is the US version so might actually be acceptable across the pond.
For the absence of doubt, use Pinus sylvestris1 -
I'm sad. I want them back.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.1 -
Look Nige, I'm not going to go on a date with you no matter how hard you try to woo me.Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)0 -
Never mind that - a fish supper in Montrose is salmon and chips? Do they batter the salmon, or what?Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)
This sounds amazing, and well worth a trip to Montrose in itself.1 -
Ultra-pedantry - add Linnaeus, 1753, of course.Flatlander said:
Super-pedantry:Carnyx said:
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
It is "Scots pine" - the pine is not capitalised. In fact "Scotch pine" is the US version so might actually be acceptable across the pond.
For the absence of doubt, use Pinus sylvestris
Quite right re vernacular names. But capitalising only the first letter doesn';t work with a lot of folk ...0 -
1. The SNP does not currently have a majority.HYUFD said:Certainly from today's Comres it looks like the SNP could lose their majority at Holyrood.
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1370002135362985987?s=20
Parties have also been able to deliver leaflets and to canvass with facemasks, 1 per door, since Monday
2. Today's YouGov poll says the opposite.0 -
Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=201 -
It is not just practically a stupid idea. imho it is also a stupid idea in general public health terms. How many extra deaths through non treatment and appalling mental health situations would it entail since to even attempt to achieve it would require endless cycles of lockdown as far as I can see? At least one full lockdown every autumn/winter.Philip_Thompson said:
Practicality is part of being a good idea.Fairliered said:
Zero Covid is not a stupid idea. Just totally impractical.Philip_Thompson said:
We just have to tell that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman to stop being an idiot.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
It seems PHE, Whitty, Vallance etc fully understand zero COVID idiots are idiots and are not going to give the time of day to that stupidity.
The pandemic is nearing the end. If the LFTs have stopped true positives from going into school, even if some of them are false positives, then they've done their job. Keep the true positives out and help further lift the lockdown. Until lockdown is lifted increasingly isolate the positives, not isolate everyone.
Zero COVID is a stupid idea and the fact that Whitty and Vallance are increasingly spending their time explaining why we need to live with COVID and can't have Zero - and the fact they've said cases may rise and we have to live with that, rather than freak out about the R rate - this shows we are really coming to the very end of this dystopian nightmate.2 -
The turnout will be affected by covid. That will favour the parties with the most motivated electorate. That should favour the SNP.0
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Don't put words in my mouth. I specifically said that testing as we've implemented it is pointless, not that testing is pointless. Testing can be used to keep things under control when used properly, we aren't so it didn't help us in the second wave.GideonWise said:
I notice that you seem to make authoritative predictions in your head based on current data and with perfect hindsight. Yesterday you thought testing was a dumb idea because we now have vaccines. But we didn't have vaccines roughly 3 months ago and certainly they were no where in sight last summer.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
I haven't crunched the numbers for the predictive accuracy of the LFTs for the government's current strategy but I think the modellers might be aware of the diagnostic accuracy of the LFTs and the associated consequences. But I doubt their model is factoring in the impact of those FPs on some 'zero Covid idiot'. Perhaps it should. Perhaps not.0 -
Ironically, 5 LibDems also supported the SNP opposing amendment 4 proposed by the opposition to the (illiberal) Hate Crime BillFairliered said:
The SNP don’t currently have a majority. They rely on another party (normally the Greens) to pass legislation.HYUFD said:Certainly from today's Comres it looks like the SNP could lose their majority at Holyrood.
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1370002135362985987?s=20
Parties have also been able to deliver leaflets and to canvass with facemasks, 1 per door, since Monday0 -
At least so I was assured by a colleague who was a native of Montrose. The salmon comes out of the Esk there.Cookie said:
Never mind that - a fish supper in Montrose is salmon and chips? Do they batter the salmon, or what?Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)
This sounds amazing, and well worth a trip to Montrose in itself.
But now you raise it I can't recalle that we discussed battering and I'm actually wondering if he meant hotels and pubs to sit in, ie not battered. Certainly there was no shortage of that dish when I visited some years back.
Arbroath smokies (haddock) and chips are howevcer a takeaway thing down the coast at Arbroath - not battered but nuked with a pat of butter.
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I've been to Montrose a few times, sister not far. Had fish and chips there too, a couple of times - never salmon unfortunately. Probably fries quite well, I'd love to try battered salmon.Cookie said:
Never mind that - a fish supper in Montrose is salmon and chips? Do they batter the salmon, or what?Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)
This sounds amazing, and well worth a trip to Montrose in itself.0 -
Many people hold up RT-PCR as the gold standard in testing. It is, in terms of both sensitivity (few false negatives) and with regards to timing (providing useful data early in an infection). However, in terms of providing absolute data on infectiousness (i.e. providing information as to whether viable virions are present), then best is cell culturing - which is also the slowest in producing results.maaarsh said:
I'm hope the ONS survey have now fixed their issue of repeatedly finding cases from people who had it 6 weeks earlier - for most of Jan & Feb their survey became pretty useless, claiming rates weren't falling despite the obvious.Selebian said:
Fortunately the ONS surveys will give a much clearer picture on cases.MaxPB said:
Yes, a bunch of under 16s testing positive really isn't a big deal but now I fear the zero COVID chumps will have their day in the sun based on completely worthless tests.turbotubbs said:
Time to hold our nerve re cases. Its the hospitals and deaths that should determine the unlocking.maaarsh said:Cases up. but c. 1400 are unconfirmed LFD
England hospital beds now below 7k from a peak of 34k, and dropping by c.500 on week days
As noted, cases alone should not be the determining factor anyway, but it would still be good to have good data on cases. If cases (from the survey) don't start going up or only go up very slowly then it really is good news.
The problem with hospitalisations/deaths as determining factor is the lag - if they start going up quickly it's already a bit late. But if the ratio of those to survey cases 2-3 weeks before keep dropping then there can be more confidence to not get too concerned about real case increases.
https://twitter.com/SueC00K/status/1369228306999087104
I presume someone, somewhere, is comparing late stage infection RT-PCR test results with cell culturing results. But I am not aware of any publications on this.0 -
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.0 -
Surely Scotch is a diminutive for Whisky, with which many of us are familiar?Luckyguy1983 said:
I've been to Montrose a few times, sister not far. Had fish and chips there too, a couple of times - never salmon unfortunately. Probably fries quite well, I'd love to try battered salmon.Cookie said:
Never mind that - a fish supper in Montrose is salmon and chips? Do they batter the salmon, or what?Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)
This sounds amazing, and well worth a trip to Montrose in itself.0 -
I'm a surveyor and have my computer autocorrect it to m² - saves me a lot of faffing about with fonts.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?2 -
I knew of the Arbroath smokie. That sounds amazing too. A trip to the north east to eat fish sounds a great project.Carnyx said:
At least so I was assured by a colleague who was a native of Montrose. The salmon comes out of the Esk there.Cookie said:
Never mind that - a fish supper in Montrose is salmon and chips? Do they batter the salmon, or what?Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)
This sounds amazing, and well worth a trip to Montrose in itself.
But now you raise it I can't recalle that we discussed battering and I'm actually wondering if he meant hotels and pubs to sit in, ie not battered. Certainly there was no shortage of that dish when I visited some years back.
Arbroath smokies (haddock) and chips are howevcer a takeaway thing down the coast at Arbroath - not battered but nuked with a pat of butter.
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Should I risk looking a total dilettante by attempting an answer? WTF not!RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Ok, so whisky from Scotland is not "Scotch whisky". It's scotch.
The "scotch" here is not an adjective, it's a noun that means whisky from Scotland, or Scottish whisky.0 -
Radicalisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.0 -
Fuknose, a year of on-off lockdown probably has something to do with it.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.
It's been an instructive year in lots of ways, quite a few of them not good.0 -
Blame Phil.kinabalu said:
I'm sad. I want them back.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I may reinvent them now and again just on replies to your posts. How about that?0 -
It deliminates string literals in some programming languages, most notably Javascript. IIRC back in my IBM mainframe days it had some important usage there.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?1 -
https://foodanddrink.scotsman.com/producers/scotlands-larder-iain-r-spinks-original-smokies-from-arbroath/Cookie said:
I knew of the Arbroath smokie. That sounds amazing too. A trip to the north east to eat fish sounds a great project.Carnyx said:
At least so I was assured by a colleague who was a native of Montrose. The salmon comes out of the Esk there.Cookie said:
Never mind that - a fish supper in Montrose is salmon and chips? Do they batter the salmon, or what?Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)
This sounds amazing, and well worth a trip to Montrose in itself.
But now you raise it I can't recalle that we discussed battering and I'm actually wondering if he meant hotels and pubs to sit in, ie not battered. Certainly there was no shortage of that dish when I visited some years back.
Arbroath smokies (haddock) and chips are howevcer a takeaway thing down the coast at Arbroath - not battered but nuked with a pat of butter.
More generallty it used to be a real problem findign decent fish to eat because the good stuff got exported - IIRC it drove people such as Derek Cooper that you could go to places such as Mallaig and end up eating the likes of frozen corporate cod ion the hotels. Things have improved but it's still a worry. And of course the fishermen are having a very rough time just now.0 -
That would be a way to make me feel very special.Stocky said:
Blame Phil.kinabalu said:
I'm sad. I want them back.Stocky said:
Too right. The shame!kinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I may reinvent them now and again just on replies to your posts. How about that?
1 -
The SNP has been projected a majority for months, without it there is no change at Holyrood and clearly no post Brexit mandate for indyref2 and it will affirm the UK government decision to correctly refuse one.sarissa said:
1. The SNP does not currently have a majority.HYUFD said:Certainly from today's Comres it looks like the SNP could lose their majority at Holyrood.
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1370002135362985987?s=20
Parties have also been able to deliver leaflets and to canvass with facemasks, 1 per door, since Monday
2. Today's YouGov poll says the opposite.
Even Yougov still has the SNP down
https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1369992571594899461?s=200 -
Lighten up it's a bloody funny photo.Luckyguy1983 said:
There really is no barrel that these people won't scrape is there? The irony of taking a snapshot of someone else's culture and condemning it based on viewing it through a Western cultural lense, and how racist that is, has obviously escaped this twat.HYUFD said:
That is a traditional Tuvalu welcome, it would have been rude to refuse itFloater said:0 -
The politics of division, as typified by Mr Divvie. The SNP are the genuine nasty party in these islands. They are driven by spite, unpleasantness, and fake history where they gloss over the fact that of all Britain's leading colonialists, the Scots, like all areas of the British establishment, were massively overrepresented. They were not the colonised, but the colonisers.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.2 -
It is happening more and more.Black_Rook said:
Radicalisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.
I have a friend of a friend, who I kinda know, she has been furloughed for most of the last year, so she spent a lot of time on YouTube watching normal stuff and then got into the conspiracy theory stuff.
She's refusing to get the vaccine because it's all a con to control us by Bill Gates and George Soros.0 -
Single quotes within double quotes? At least on old-fashioned typewriters rather than the vertical ' on computer keyboardsrpjs said:
It deliminates string literals in some programming languages, most notably Javascript. IIRC back in my IBM mainframe days it had some important usage there.Stocky said:
Too right. The shamekinabalu said:
Noooo - your exotic apostrophes have gone!Stocky said:
1) Drakeford is another example of politicking a national emergency. He's clearly concerned that if the notion that we're out of the woods takes hold he'll have less to criticise the government about.contrarian said:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-mark-drakeford-wales-lockdown-20079164
Drakeford:
June 21 freedom is 'fanciful'
LOL
2) Johnson's date of June 21 is not a "return to normal" date it is an end of legal restrictions date; not the same thing. There will likely still be guidance but we shall be free to ignore it if we wish.
I've stuck a lump of blue tac on the rogue ` button. What the F is it for anyway?0 -
Indeed, still at least no one in England has been stupid enough to suggest sending in the troops to quell democracy in Scotland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fuknose, a year of on-off lockdown probably has something to do with it.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.
It's been an instructive year in lots of ways, quite a few of them not good.0 -
No, true. It is of course even worse for plants or animals without a proper name, which should have no capitalisation at all (excepting normal grammar rules). "downy birch", "black poplar" etc.Carnyx said:
Ultra-pedantry - add Linnaeus, 1753, of course.Flatlander said:
Super-pedantry:Carnyx said:
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
It is "Scots pine" - the pine is not capitalised. In fact "Scotch pine" is the US version so might actually be acceptable across the pond.
For the absence of doubt, use Pinus sylvestris
Quite right re vernacular names. But capitalising only the first letter doesn';t work with a lot of folk ...
But yes, Pinus sylvestris var. sylvestris L., 1753 for Scottish specimens
I've probably spent a little too long staring at species lists. Sorry.
Back on the original pedantry - did Burns himself not use the term 'Scotch'?0 -
Ok, you have at least proved you DO have a sense of humour! Try dropping the "Scotch" thing before the date tho, 'cos it's not funny and it doesn't turn me on.Theuniondivvie said:
Look Nige, I'm not going to go on a date with you no matter how hard you try to woo me.Nigel_Foremain said:
I believe the term Scotch was used in medieval England to describe Scots. Why the Scots take exception to it seems strange, but I certainly wouldn't use such a phrase, it is simply rude, and Mr Divvie's tedious use of it just further underlines his pathetic prejudice against anyone south of the border, and his complete lack of genuine humour or irony.Carnyx said:RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Not sure, but I thionk it is to do with the fact that it was only called that outside Scotland - nobody would call it Scotch/Scots whisky in Scotland, that's the default option. We just call it whisky, or single malt, or Bruichladdich, or whatever.RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Like when you buy a fish supper in Montrose it's always salmon and chips (the local default) rather than haddock. (Or that used to be the case, anyway.)1 -
To be fair Microsoft shares are up 60% since the pandemic started - what more PROOF do you want????TheScreamingEagles said:
It is happening more and more.Black_Rook said:
Radicalisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.
I have a friend of a friend, who I kinda know, she has been furloughed for most of the last year, so she spent a lot of time on YouTube watching normal stuff and then got into the conspiracy theory stuff.
She's refusing to get the vaccine because it's all a con to control us by Bill Gates and George Soros.2 -
Does tax and spend strike you as getting to the heart of the matter? With my limited experience (as a PB Scotch expert), it doesn't seem like it to me. I think it would just encourage drift (possibly why you favour itFairliered said:Putting my non-partisan hat back on: would the UK Government be willing to give up tax and spending powers, i.e. devo max?
).
I think that something like a veto on foreign policy would do a lot more to strengthen the Union. Let's say there's a Council of the Home Nations. It comprises the leaders of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and possibly of London. Major foreign policy things could be voted upon. So, for example, there would be times when Scotland, Wales, NI could outvote the other two, but other times when other combinations won the day. Of course, population-wise, even if you separate London, it is not fair to the English, but it sort of seems right that at times of going to war, etc., we should do something like this.0 -
The purpose of the LFT should not be to measure prevalence of CV19, but to minimise superspreader events at schools.Anabobazina said:
This is indeed the danger. I too am concerned about this. People don't seem to grasp that more testing = more positive tests (not actually more cases).MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.1 -
Surely with 6% of French cases being the SA/BR variants means that France and the rest of Europe needs to go into the managed quarantine programme? That's a huge proportion.williamglenn said:0 -
Yes, I believe he did. It is simply "Olde English", or perhaps it is Olde Scotch?Flatlander said:
No, true. It is of course even worse for plants or animals without a proper name, which should have no capitalisation at all (excepting normal grammar rules). "downy birch", "black poplar" etc.Carnyx said:
Ultra-pedantry - add Linnaeus, 1753, of course.Flatlander said:
Super-pedantry:Carnyx said:
PS it's actually Scots Pine, on a technical PB-pedantry issue.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
It is "Scots pine" - the pine is not capitalised. In fact "Scotch pine" is the US version so might actually be acceptable across the pond.
For the absence of doubt, use Pinus sylvestris
Quite right re vernacular names. But capitalising only the first letter doesn';t work with a lot of folk ...
But yes, Pinus sylvestris var. sylvestris L., 1753 for Scottish specimens
I've probably spent a little too long staring at species lists. Sorry.
Back on the original pedantry - did Burns himself not use the term 'Scotch'?0 -
The same testing that you have used yourself, alongside millions of others. :-)MaxPB said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I specifically said that testing as we've implemented it is pointless, not that testing is pointless. Testing can be used to keep things under control when used properly, we aren't so it didn't help us in the second wave.GideonWise said:
I notice that you seem to make authoritative predictions in your head based on current data and with perfect hindsight. Yesterday you thought testing was a dumb idea because we now have vaccines. But we didn't have vaccines roughly 3 months ago and certainly they were no where in sight last summer.MaxPB said:Almost 2k LFT positives in today's figures. Not surprised that PHE have made the data public becuase those tests are, IMO, worthless. The false positive/negative rate on them is far too high to be counted the same as a PCR positive.
This is exactly what I feared would happen, we get a whole bunch of pointless tests pushing up the perceived infection rate. Soon we'll get the usual suspects like that idiot zero COVID Scottish woman talking about how risky the current timetable is etc...
We really shouldn't have bothered with this strategy and just done it without the tests and had weekly PCR testing for teachers as a reduction in transmission vector.
I haven't crunched the numbers for the predictive accuracy of the LFTs for the government's current strategy but I think the modellers might be aware of the diagnostic accuracy of the LFTs and the associated consequences. But I doubt their model is factoring in the impact of those FPs on some 'zero Covid idiot'. Perhaps it should. Perhaps not.0 -
But they also gloss over things like the Scottish Enlightenment - huge contributions made by Scots to the world, after apparently being made a colonial backwater by the hated English.Nigel_Foremain said:
The politics of division, as typified by Mr Divvie. The SNP are the genuine nasty party in these islands. They are driven by spite, unpleasantness, and fake history where they gloss over the fact that of all Britain's leading colonialists, the Scots, like all areas of the British establishment, were massively overrepresented. They were not the colonised, but the colonisers.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.2 -
The Scotch Whisky Association seem to have their own thoughts on the matter, judging by their own title.kinabalu said:
Should I risk looking a total dilettante by attempting an answer? WTF not!RobD said:
Random question, but if whisky from Scotland is Scotch whisky, why aren't people from Scotland called Scotch people?Carnyx said:
Scots irony is often very difficult for non-Scots to cope with.DougSeal said:
Scotch doesn't refer to people. It is used as a compound - Scotch pine or Scotch whisky. Not people. You of all people should know that. Indeed the fact you don't makes me wonder if you are, in fact, Scottish.Theuniondivvie said:
I think its Douglas Ross, currently MP for Moray, that's being referred to. I saw someone refer to him on twitter as Forres Gump recently which tickled me.Carnyx said:
Eh? Mr Murray is a Labour MP. Mind, it can be difficult to tell the difference with him and the Tories sometimes.MaxPB said:
I actually think so too, the new leader and that MSP questioning Sturgeon in the inquiry are both significant improvements on the previous team in Scotland. I think the Tories will hold on as well because Murray seems to be up to the job, the level of vitriol from the Nats on here against both unionists leaders (Lab/Tory) shows they now fear the result in May where they didn't under the previous leaders of both Scottish parties.CorrectHorseBattery said:Labour will make something of a comeback in Scotland, I think.
It's all slipping away from the SNP and as that happens the bitterness levels will only increase from them and their supporters.
Never change, PB Scotch experts!
Ok, so whisky from Scotland is not "Scotch whisky". It's scotch.
The "scotch" here is not an adjective, it's a noun that means whisky from Scotland, or Scottish whisky.
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"Say it's now or ever" LOL. That's what Salmond and Nicola said in 2014.kinabalu said:
But only because it had to be said. If people think there'll be a Referendum along every few years it steers to a No vote. Only those who are very sure about Sindy will vote Yes. Those who are on the fence but risk averse (who are many) will go, "Hmm, I rather fancy Sindy but I'm not sure. Bit scared, so I'll vote No for now. Nothing lost. Can always vote Yes next time. Shouldn't be too long."Stocky said:
That was said with regard to the first one.kinabalu said:
I'd say the SNP cannot afford to get a Referendum AND lose it. That would surely kill Sindy as a serious proposition for a long long time.dixiedean said:If the SNP win a majority, but the polls look like a No, what will Sturgeon do?
What will the PM do?
We could be in the ludicrous situation of Westminster urging Indyref2 and the SNP trying to delay it.
Nowt surprises me much these days.
The Yes campaign has to nail that sentiment. Say it's now or ever. This equalizes the portentousness of the choice. It makes both Yes and No a decision that will need to be lived with without serious prospect of reversal in the foreseeable future. It's not a fair contest otherwise.
And on top of this point there is the 'material change in circumstances' of Scotland being forcibly removed from the EU when one of the arguments of the No campaign in 2014 was that remaining in the Union would secure their place in the EU.0 -
Microsoft haven't been able to release a decent operating system since 3.1, there's no way they have the talent to fake a pandemic then develop the technology to control our minds and bodies via a 'vaccine'.noneoftheabove said:
To be fair Microsoft shares are up 60% since the pandemic started - what more PROOF do you want????TheScreamingEagles said:
It is happening more and more.Black_Rook said:
Radicalisation.TheScreamingEagles said:
What is in the water in Scotland these days?Theuniondivvie said:Anyhoo, Scotch Tories yet again having a normal one.
https://twitter.com/AMachaggis/status/1369781543376404482?s=20
You've got that bellend, I've seen people claim the Scots are being oppressed by the Brits/English on a scale not seen since India or Ireland.
I've seen some people say Leslie Evans is the wife of the head of MI5 and it is all a BritNat conspiracy to frame Salmond.
I have a friend of a friend, who I kinda know, she has been furloughed for most of the last year, so she spent a lot of time on YouTube watching normal stuff and then got into the conspiracy theory stuff.
She's refusing to get the vaccine because it's all a con to control us by Bill Gates and George Soros.0
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