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The polling finds Brits top the world rankings when it comes to willingness to be vaccinated – polit

SystemSystem Posts: 12,433
edited February 2021 in General
imageThe polling finds Brits top the world rankings when it comes to willingness to be vaccinated – politicalbetting.com

I find the above polling quite extraordinary and hadn’t fully appreciated how attitudes to COVID vaccination vary so much between nations.

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited February 2021
    It's been noted before, that pretty much everywhere significantly increases its willingness as programmes move on, but it is still remarkable how much variance there was to start with.

    Even though the UK was already pretty high it is very good that the programme has rolled out well, as there seems to have been no significant anti-vax movement, or even the Macronian stype of uninformed skepticism, among the political classes, which means pretty much no one is being scared off. Even the reporting has not been that bad in the sense of massively panicking over slowdowns or of people dying after receiving a shot.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,859
    geoffw said:

    Fantastic! Salmond advises the committee to ask his solicitors for for any information withheld by branches of government, and tells them that the Scotland Act enables this

    https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/1365369267282190336
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Omnium said:

    I'm 57 and got my first jab this morning - at Lord's. It was really very well organised. Hat's off to those concerned.

    I hope you had already taken your hat off - I'd take it off in respect at Lord's, as I would at a Cathedral.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572
    I was puzzled by the Hong Kong figure. But then I reflected, if I lived in Hong Kong, would I really risk letting the government of Xi Jinping stick something in my arm?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Omnium said:

    I'm 57 and got my first jab this morning - at Lord's. It was really very well organised. Hat's off to those concerned.

    Short arm jab.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    ydoethur said:

    I was puzzled by the Hong Kong figure. But then I reflected, if I lived in Hong Kong, would I really risk letting the government of Xi Jinping stick something in my arm?

    Then good news, if he wants to do it he won't ask if you'll 'let' him.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    edited February 2021
    kle4 said:

    I hope you had already taken your hat off - I'd take it off in respect at Lord's, as I would at a Cathedral.
    Quite right. I look forwards to getting some tickets soon for some actual cricket - I see England are pioneering a new two-day format.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Are these figures up to date? A poll last month had the US up to 66%.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/cnn-poll-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html
  • Great news. The whole of Britain across all nations, parties and cultures is doing a great job getting on with getting vaccinated.

    FPT

    I have two very strong suspicions.

    a) if the 'official' Covid deaths on Worldometer showed the UK with a much lower death rate than others, you would be trumpeting the government's success ad infinitum, regardless of what excess deaths showed (currently).

    b) you will emphatically deny a).
    If I did and I was using Worldometer figures that were BS then you would be right to correct the record and point out that they're bullshit.

    Everyone agreed early on, before figures showed anything, that the one gold standard true metric during a pandemic is excess deaths. Because some countries (like the UK) do a good job of testing for and accurately recording cause of death, others do not.

    What matters more to you:

    a) how many have actually died in real life?

    b) how many Worldometers claims have died?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    I was puzzled by the Hong Kong figure. But then I reflected, if I lived in Hong Kong, would I really risk letting the government of Xi Jinping stick something in my arm?

    AIUI that's exactly the problem. Much of the population doesn't trust the Chinese vaccines.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572
    edited February 2021
    kle4 said:

    Then good news, if he wants to do it he won't ask if you'll 'let' him.
    Fair point.

    Edit - coupled with the fact that AIUI the Sinopharm vaccine is not very good (52% effective?) that also suggests that China might continue to be a problem in this pandemic.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/1365369267282190336
    He's almost a characterisation of the Revenge is a dish best served cold idea.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    Great news. The whole of Britain across all nations, parties and cultures is doing a great job getting on with getting vaccinated.

    FPT

    If I did and I was using Worldometer figures that were BS then you would be right to correct the record and point out that they're bullshit.

    Everyone agreed early on, before figures showed anything, that the one gold standard true metric during a pandemic is excess deaths. Because some countries (like the UK) do a good job of testing for and accurately recording cause of death, others do not.

    What matters more to you:

    a) how many have actually died in real life?

    b) how many Worldometers claims have died?
    a). But neither you, nor I, know how we compare relative to other countries on that measure yet, and we won't for some time. So you going on about it is no different from those going on about b).
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Evening all :)

    Have to say still no invitation for this 60+ to get a vaccine. Hearing widespread stories of those in their 50s getting a vaccine and the unwillingness of Government to publish detailed figures on the progress of vaccination does make me suspicious the rollout programme is proceeding rapidly in some areas and less well in others.

    The cohort of those aged 16-64 with underlying health conditions is admittedly one of the largest at over 7 million nationally but progress through this and down the population appears inconsistent to this observer whatever the national numbers are saying..
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    edited February 2021
    Omnium said:

    I'm 57 and got my first jab this morning - at Lord's. It was really very well organised. Hat's off to those concerned.

    Great. But was the wicket taking spin?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572
    Omnium said:

    He's almost a characterisation of the Revenge is a dish best served cold idea.

    In the few glimpses I got of his testimony, he seemed to be serving it with dry ice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited February 2021
    I know we all love to talk about the golden age of telly on here...

    I just found Snowfall, if you like The Shield, you probably going to like it. Its no The Wire though.

    But thought worth mentioning lead role is another little known British actor, Damson Idris, who is excellent. Something worth watching, while we wait 5 years for another episode of Sherlock from the beeb....
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited February 2021
    Omnium said:

    He's almost a characterisation of the Revenge is a dish best served cold idea.

    Are these really the explosive revelations that Salmond clearly thinks they are? I’ve always found his smug, self-satisfied demeanour repellent - and all the more so in the light of the revelations of how he behaved around female subordinates.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Have to say still no invitation for this 60+ to get a vaccine. Hearing widespread stories of those in their 50s getting a vaccine and the unwillingness of Government to publish detailed figures on the progress of vaccination does make me suspicious the rollout programme is proceeding rapidly in some areas and less well in others.

    The cohort of those aged 16-64 with underlying health conditions is admittedly one of the largest at over 7 million nationally but progress through this and down the population appears inconsistent to this observer whatever the national numbers are saying..

    Completely consistent progress with such a cohort seems near impossible, but if some areas are particularly bad I hope that gets flagged up quickly. I know a person in their late 20s who has gotten jabbed mere days after their 75+ grandparent, which even with an underlying condition they were surprised at.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572

    But was the wicket taking spin?
    Apparently it’s a rapid turnaround.

    They got into the swing of things.

    It’s a wicket way of doing things.

    That gets the puns out of the way, I hope.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    ydoethur said:

    Apparently it’s a rapid turnaround.

    They got into the swing of things.

    It’s a wicket way of doing things.

    That gets the puns out of the way, I hope.
    I thnk ydoethur may be unwell, rushing through the punning like that.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    kle4 said:

    It's been noted before, that pretty much everywhere significantly increases its willingness as programmes move on, but it is still remarkable how much variance there was to start with.

    Even though the UK was already pretty high it is very good that the programme has rolled out well, as there seems to have been no significant anti-vax movement, or even the Macronian stype of uninformed skepticism, among the political classes, which means pretty much no one is being scared off. Even the reporting has not been that bad in the sense of massively panicking over slowdowns or of people dying after receiving a shot.

    What's helped a lot is that the communication strategy seems to have consisted largely of a campaign of quiet reassurance by scientists. To the extent that politicians have become involved, it's been entirely to repeat the scientists' messages (and, as you point out, to avoid muddying the waters by contradicting them. There have been a range of views expressed on lockdown, but when it comes to the vaccines everybody is singing from the same hymn sheet.)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,949
    Omnium said:

    I'm 57 and got my first jab this morning - at Lord's. It was really very well organised. Hat's off to those concerned.

    Good job it wasn't at Ahmedabad.
    It would have missed your arm and bowled you through the gate!
    Seriously congrats.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    ydoethur said:

    Fair point.

    Edit - coupled with the fact that AIUI the Sinopharm vaccine is not very good (52% effective?) that also suggests that China might continue to be a problem in this pandemic.
    They say 72%. Data from Turkey, Brazil and Indonesia puts it anywhere between 50% and 90%. I think it’s better than nowt.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    ydoethur said:

    Apparently it’s a rapid turnaround.

    They got into the swing of things.

    It’s a wicket way of doing things.

    That gets the puns out of the way, I hope.
    You've bailed out before they're batted away?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    Omnium said:

    He's almost a characterisation of the Revenge is a dish best served cold idea.

    Be much wailing and gnashing of teeth at Murrel Towers tonight.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    What's helped a lot is that the communication strategy seems to have consisted largely of a campaign of quiet reassurance by scientists. To the extent that politicians have become involved, it's been entirely to repeat the scientists' messages (and, as you point out, to avoid muddying the waters by contradicting them. There have been a range of views expressed on lockdown, but when it comes to the vaccines everybody is singing from the same hymn sheet.)
    Except Piers Corbyn, freedom fighter.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    dixiedean said:

    Good job it wasn't at Ahmedabad.
    It would have missed your arm and bowled you through the gate!
    Seriously congrats.
    Thanks. Mostly posted this to show that the programme is really flying along even in London.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107

    Are these really the explosive revelations that Salmond clearly thinks they are? I’ve always found his smug, self-satisfied demeanour repellent - and all the more so in the light of the revelations of how he behaved around female subordinates.
    Did you listen to it. A masterclass.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    edited February 2021
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Have to say still no invitation for this 60+ to get a vaccine. Hearing widespread stories of those in their 50s getting a vaccine and the unwillingness of Government to publish detailed figures on the progress of vaccination does make me suspicious the rollout programme is proceeding rapidly in some areas and less well in others.

    The cohort of those aged 16-64 with underlying health conditions is admittedly one of the largest at over 7 million nationally but progress through this and down the population appears inconsistent to this observer whatever the national numbers are saying..

    Have you tried signing up for one on the website? Is it possible your details are out of date with your GP?
  • a). But neither you, nor I, know how we compare relative to other countries on that measure yet, and we won't for some time. So you going on about it is no different from those going on about b).
    a) https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    We don't know everything but there's a substantial amount of data there.

    Italy until 30/11/20 had 157 excess deaths per 100k population.
    Britain until 22/01/21 had 160 excess deaths per 100k population.

    Given the figures that have come out from Italy in December and January it seems reasonable to expect more than 3 deaths per 100k in the eight weeks they have missing from the data.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    kle4 said:

    I thnk ydoethur may be unwell, rushing through the punning like that.
    Running, surely ...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,859
    kle4 said:

    I thnk ydoethur may be unwell, rushing through the punning like that.
    He must be angling for membership of the Marylebone Corona Club.
  • Evening all. Is there anything more satisfying than a real fire...?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    edited February 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Apparently it’s a rapid turnaround.

    They got into the swing of things.

    It’s a wicket way of doing things.

    That gets the puns out of the way, I hope.
    You’ve left the rest of us no chance to follow on.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,421
    Omnium said:

    I'm 57 and got my first jab this morning - at Lord's. It was really very well organised. Hat's off to those concerned.

    Did they use the hall by the Nursery ground? (God, I can't wait to get back to Lords to watch cricket.)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    Omnium said:

    He's almost a characterisation of the Revenge is a dish best served cold idea.

    Documents will be wrapped up and waiting on the courier arriving.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    Evening all. Is there anything more satisfying than a real fire...?

    Depends where it is occurring, I suppose.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,572
    kle4 said:

    I thnk ydoethur may be unwell, rushing through the punning like that.
    Creased me up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133
    Omnium said:

    I'm 57 and got my first jab this morning - at Lord's. It was really very well organised. Hat's off to those concerned.

    Yet other areas of the country have barely started on the late 60s y-os
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    RobD said:

    Have you tried signing up for one on the website? Is it possible your details are out of date with your GP?
    No, I've checked all of that. Everything is correct. I don't believe I've been "missed", it's just that progress through the population in my part of the world isn't as rapid as it appears to be in other places.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,572

    Evening all. Is there anything more satisfying than a real fire...?

    Sat eating a bacon sarnie in front of it....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572
    kle4 said:

    I thnk ydoethur may be unwell, rushing through the punning like that.
    It’s Friday after a week of remote teaching. I’m absolutely on my knees.

    And I have another two weeks of that to go.

    Then three weeks of term before Easter when - amazingly and I am not making this up - the DfE expects us to do in person AND live remote lessons.

    While wearing a mask.

    It is going to be bloody hard. In fact I don’t see how it’s even possible.

    It will please that nutter Topping, of course, because he hates teachers in general and me in particular.

    But it’s going to be a disaster for staff retention and I can’t see how it’s going to deliver high quality education to the children.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630

    Evening all. Is there anything more satisfying than a real fire...?

    Very jealous - enjoy!
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Have to say still no invitation for this 60+ to get a vaccine. Hearing widespread stories of those in their 50s getting a vaccine and the unwillingness of Government to publish detailed figures on the progress of vaccination does make me suspicious the rollout programme is proceeding rapidly in some areas and less well in others.

    The cohort of those aged 16-64 with underlying health conditions is admittedly one of the largest at over 7 million nationally but progress through this and down the population appears inconsistent to this observer whatever the national numbers are saying..

    Cohort 6 must, at a guess, have effectively expanded to nearer nine million. There are about 800,000 recently identified extra shielders under the age of 65 to add on, plus the recommendation to GPs to pick out anyone in their records with a learning disability and bump them up the list as well. Estimates on the size of that category seem to vary between 1 and 1.5 million, and I think only those with a severe impairment and adults with Down's Syndrome previously qualified as a priority.

    However, that notwithstanding there are now anecdata flying around on here about the 7s and even the 8s being seen, so I'm sure that progress has been a bit lumpy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    edited February 2021
    stodge said:

    No, I've checked all of that. Everything is correct. I don't believe I've been "missed", it's just that progress through the population in my part of the world isn't as rapid as it appears to be in other places.
    OK, good that you checked. Hopefully not too long now. I would still try signing up, as several others have done on here without invitation.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    ydoethur said:

    Apparently it’s a rapid turnaround.

    They got into the swing of things.

    It’s a wicket way of doing things.

    That gets the puns out of the way, I hope.
    Yes, thank goodness that's over.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited February 2021

    I know we all love to talk about the golden age of telly on here...

    I just found Snowfall, if you like The Shield, you probably going to like it. Its no The Wire though.

    But thought worth mentioning lead role is another little known British actor, Damson Idris, who is excellent. Something worth watching, while we wait 5 years for another episode of Sherlock from the beeb....

    Im just about to start watching The Prisoner again. Amazing series, considering it was filmed in 1966.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572

    He must be angling for membership of the Marylebone Corona Club.
    Does it offer free priority booking to be vaccinated?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572

    Evening all. Is there anything more satisfying than a real fire...?

    I hope you mean, a fire on a hearth.

    I would hate to think you were that dissatisfied with your new house that quickly.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Sat eating a bacon sarnie in front of it....
    Whilst watching your face mask being consumed by the flames. Hopefully not too long to go!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Evening all. Is there anything more satisfying than a real fire...?

    My neighbour from years back would beg to differ........

    Mind you my wife's face was a picture as she came around the corner on way home from work and saw mw on doorstep talking to the neighbour and a big fire engine outside.....
  • a). But neither you, nor I, know how we compare relative to other countries on that measure yet, and we won't for some time. So you going on about it is no different from those going on about b).
    Actually the link he posted to the Economist shows exactly that.

    And as an aside without getting too much into this argument that really is a fabulous link filled with fascinating information and data
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133
    edited February 2021

    Great news. The whole of Britain across all nations, parties and cultures is doing a great job getting on with getting vaccinated.

    FPT

    If I did and I was using Worldometer figures that were BS then you would be right to correct the record and point out that they're bullshit.

    Everyone agreed early on, before figures showed anything, that the one gold standard true metric during a pandemic is excess deaths. Because some countries (like the UK) do a good job of testing for and accurately recording cause of death, others do not.

    What matters more to you:

    a) how many have actually died in real life?

    b) how many Worldometers claims have died?
    There are, however, a multitude of extraneous factors in ‘excess deaths’ and it is misleading to hold this up as some sort of gold standard measure. As just one example, a lockdown in a country (region, town) with a previously bad record on road traffic deaths will have more favourable excess death statistics than one that was always good on road safety, for the same lockdown-related reduction in road journeys, all other things being equal. Yet this has sod all to do with governmental or health service response to the pandemic.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    kle4 said:

    Completely consistent progress with such a cohort seems near impossible, but if some areas are particularly bad I hope that gets flagged up quickly. I know a person in their late 20s who has gotten jabbed mere days after their 75+ grandparent, which even with an underlying condition they were surprised at.
    Yet Hancock stands up and says the rollout programme "has been equal and fair UK-wide". I certainly believe that has always been the intention and if the problem has been one of supply and logistics, the mood music suggests they won't be an issue in the coming few weeks.

    I come back to the point the comment isn't supported either way by numbers showing the detailed breakdown of vaccinations administered by age and area. I believe my part of the world is lagging some other areas and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask why this is the case and what the NHS intends to do to mitigate any problem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572

    Whilst watching your face mask being consumed by the flames. Hopefully not too long to go!
    While drinking a glass of really good Scotch.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572

    We shouldn't be surprised by the increase in British willingness to get vaccinated. There's nothing as effective
    as stuffing it to the EU for encouraging Brits to do something.

    Particularly since it will spite Macron, who is of course French.
  • We shouldn't be surprised by the increase in British willingness to get vaccinated. There's nothing as effective
    as stuffing it to the EU for encouraging Brits to do something.

    Indeed. Its the patriotic thing to do!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    A straw in the wind...

    “Majority of work from home job listings now 'temporarily remote', as return to office nears”


    https://www.cityam.com/majority-of-work-from-home-job-listings-now-temporarily-remote-as-return-to-office-nears/?
  • malcolmg said:

    Did you listen to it. A masterclass.
    I did listen to all of it and it was a masterclass

    He was compelling and difficult not to believe

    Sturgeon next week will be very interesting after today
  • malcolmg said:

    Did you listen to it. A masterclass.
    From the witness yes. Head & shoulders above the current crop (both sides of the border)

    Some of his questioners, much less so.....I thought Murdo & Jackie stood out - some of the others did too - for the wrong reasons.....

    https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1365365223633416197?s=20

  • https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1365370790322053124

    Time to engineer a by-election for Ed Balls?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163

    What's helped a lot is that the communication strategy seems to have consisted largely of a campaign of quiet reassurance by scientists. To the extent that politicians have become involved, it's been entirely to repeat the scientists' messages (and, as you point out, to avoid muddying the waters by contradicting them. There have been a range of views expressed on lockdown, but when it comes to the vaccines everybody is singing from the same hymn sheet.)
    Our company CEO (~100 employees) sent us all an email urging us to get vaccinated and with information about the vaccine (including some detailed stuff about the trials and ethnic minorities relevant to our relatively diverse company). There was no implied threat that jobs depend on being vaccinated, just encouragement and good information. I was impressed.

    I get the impression that the whole country is willing this on to be as big a success as possible, and those who are a bit reluctant are being gently won round.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,031
    edited February 2021
    malcolmg said:

    Be much wailing and gnashing of teeth at Murrel Towers tonight.
    Murrell towers even
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,572

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1365370790322053124

    Time to engineer a by-election for Ed Balls?

    Where? It can’t be London for family reasons, and how many seats in the north of England held by possible fall guys could be considered safe?

    (Burgon’s, perhaps, but Burgon will drink Trump’s piss before he lets someone capable take it off him.)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,818

    a) https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    We don't know everything but there's a substantial amount of data there.

    Italy until 30/11/20 had 157 excess deaths per 100k population.
    Britain until 22/01/21 had 160 excess deaths per 100k population.

    Given the figures that have come out from Italy in December and January it seems reasonable to expect more than 3 deaths per 100k in the eight weeks they have missing from the data.
    (i) "I disagree with the table showing we are 4th worst in the world on covid outcome. There are other ways of comparing that I think give a fairer result."

    (ii) "4th in the world is not true. There is no semblance of truth to it whatsoever."

    Language is all there is on an internet forum and you are abusing it here. It's fine - you write what you want - but so will I.

    And here I use it to charge and convict you of arguing in bad faith, aka LYING.
  • MoanRMoanR Posts: 25
    Question.
    Covid-19. What is likely to happen next winter?
    What level of problems will we face with Covid-19?
    Are we likely to have large number of people in hospital being treated for Covid-19?
    Will there still be face masks, social distancing etc?
  • https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1365370790322053124

    Time to engineer a by-election for Ed Balls?

    To be fair I post here and I’m therefore politically engaged, but if asked unprompted I’m not sure I’d remember Dodds was Shadow CX. I have to look up the other Shadow Ministers every time.
  • MoanR said:

    Question.
    Covid-19. What is likely to happen next winter?
    What level of problems will we face with Covid-19?
    Are we likely to have large number of people in hospital being treated for Covid-19?
    Will there still be face masks, social distancing etc?

    1. Another round of vaccinations in the autumn, hopefully much lower cases than the winter just gone but still a 'small' spike
    2. See 1, hopefully not material but not insignificant
    3. No more than 2,000 at any one time, maybe a lot less
    4. Masks on public transport and shops until Spring 2022, no (significant) social distancing.
  • We shouldn't be surprised by the increase in British willingness to get vaccinated. There's nothing as effective
    as stuffing it to the EU for encouraging Brits to do something.

    I said to Dave the best way to win the referendum was to tell the public that the French wanted us to Leave.

    Remain landslide.
  • MoanR said:

    Question.
    Covid-19. What is likely to happen next winter?
    What level of problems will we face with Covid-19?
    Are we likely to have large number of people in hospital being treated for Covid-19?
    Will there still be face masks, social distancing etc?

    If nothing else, I think next winter we’ll have a debate about whether masks are a good idea during cold and flu season anyway, if you have any symptoms.
  • I said to Dave the best way to win the referendum was to tell the public that the French wanted us to Leave.

    Remain landslide.
    Christ, I’d have voted Remain if I thought it would upset the French. It’s the only good argument I’ve heard for rejoining.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    stodge said:

    Yet Hancock stands up and says the rollout programme "has been equal and fair UK-wide". I certainly believe that has always been the intention and if the problem has been one of supply and logistics, the mood music suggests they won't be an issue in the coming few weeks.

    I come back to the point the comment isn't supported either way by numbers showing the detailed breakdown of vaccinations administered by age and area. I believe my part of the world is lagging some other areas and I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask why this is the case and what the NHS intends to do to mitigate any problem.
    Absolutely. They are doing a fine job, but some will always have a less good experience.
  • a) https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

    We don't know everything but there's a substantial amount of data there.

    Italy until 30/11/20 had 157 excess deaths per 100k population.
    Britain until 22/01/21 had 160 excess deaths per 100k population.

    Given the figures that have come out from Italy in December and January it seems reasonable to expect more than 3 deaths per 100k in the eight weeks they have missing from the data.
    You do realise that death data to 21/1/21 misses a large part of the UK's post-Christmas spike, don't you?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    To be fair I post here and I’m therefore politically engaged, but if asked unprompted I’m not sure I’d remember Dodds was Shadow CX. I have to look up the other Shadow Ministers every time.
    I find that she has become memorable for me because people talk about how unmemorable she is. Contrarily, I'd have no idea who the Shadow Home Secretary is.
  • Our company CEO (~100 employees) sent us all an email urging us to get vaccinated and with information about the vaccine (including some detailed stuff about the trials and ethnic minorities relevant to our relatively diverse company). There was no implied threat that jobs depend on being vaccinated, just encouragement and good information. I was impressed.

    I get the impression that the whole country is willing this on to be as big a success as possible, and those who are a bit reluctant are being gently won round.
    It was also interesting in the news conference this lunchtime, those running the vaccination campaign said they are looking for maximum flexibility and targeted messages to try and deal with any who are reluctant to have the jab. As I said before, using mosques and temples as vaccination centres to overcome any possible religious objections is a great idea. I think that, to date at least, the way in which the vaccination programme has been run is just as masterful as the original decisions to obtain vaccines as early as possible.
  • Christ, I’d have voted Remain if I thought it would upset the French. It’s the only good argument I’ve heard for rejoining.
    On the 21/22 of June 2016 most of the French media wanted us to Leave, I did flag it up.

    https://www.politico.eu/blogs/on-media/2016/06/et-nous-where-frances-big-newspapers-stand-on-brexit/
  • I'm sure normal service will be resumed soon enough:

    The stumbles by the world’s richest bloc of nations have turned vaccine politics toxic. Particularly galling to many Europeans is the sight of a former E.U. member, Britain, forging ahead with its vaccination and reopening plans, while E.U. societies remain under lockdown amid a new surge of dangerous variants, their economies sinking deeper into recession.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/world/europe/EU-vaccine-hunt.html?smid=tw-share
  • To be fair I post here and I’m therefore politically engaged, but if asked unprompted I’m not sure I’d remember Dodds was Shadow CX. I have to look up the other Shadow Ministers every time.
    I know Ed Miliband is in shadow cabinet.

    Er... that's about it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    MoanR said:

    Question.
    Covid-19. What is likely to happen next winter?
    What level of problems will we face with Covid-19?
    Are we likely to have large number of people in hospital being treated for Covid-19?
    Will there still be face masks, social distancing etc?

    I would not be surprised if we have top up vaccinations in the autumn, but that there is a push for use of face masks without it being law, on the basis that it might well cut down on the annual flu anyway.
  • ydoethur said:

    Where? It can’t be London for family reasons, and how many seats in the north of England held by possible fall guys could be considered safe?

    (Burgon’s, perhaps, but Burgon will drink Trump’s piss before he lets someone capable take it off him.)
    Liam Byrne wins the W Mids mayor job in May?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    I'm sure normal service will be resumed soon enough:

    The stumbles by the world’s richest bloc of nations have turned vaccine politics toxic. Particularly galling to many Europeans is the sight of a former E.U. member, Britain, forging ahead with its vaccination and reopening plans, while E.U. societies remain under lockdown amid a new surge of dangerous variants, their economies sinking deeper into recession.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/world/europe/EU-vaccine-hunt.html?smid=tw-share

    Sputtering!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,471

    From the witness yes. Head & shoulders above the current crop (both sides of the border)

    Some of his questioners, much less so.....I thought Murdo & Jackie stood out - some of the others did too - for the wrong reasons.....

    https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1365365223633416197?s=20

    Enemies enemies make strange bedfellows. You of all people Carlotta standing four square behind one of the most appalling misogynists* in British politics.

    (Forgive me quoting Ruth Davidson)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited February 2021
    kle4 said:

    I would not be surprised if we have top up vaccinations in the autumn, but that there is a push for use of face masks without it being law, on the basis that it might well cut down on the annual flu anyway.
    That mustn't happen IMO. No facemasks for normal life, and flu is part of normal life.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Christ, I’d have voted Remain if I thought it would upset the French. It’s the only good argument I’ve heard for rejoining.
    I wanted to remain but I want the French to be happy too. You can't have it all.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235

    We shouldn't be surprised by the increase in British willingness to get vaccinated. There's nothing as effective
    as stuffing it to the EU for encouraging Brits to do something.

    The vaccine sceptical in other nations (I'm primarily thinking of the US) are on the right. So having a populist Gov't to the right of centre vigourously promoting the vaccine probably isn't a bad thing for vaccine takeup either.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Andy_JS said:

    That mustn't happen IMO. No facemasks for normal life, and flu is part of normal life.
    I don't like facemasks either, but if it is not law but people choose to do it what business is that of yours or mine?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835

    Absolutely. They are doing a fine job, but some will always have a less good experience.
    Couldn't London be lagging because a) it has fewer old people, and b) there are more vaccine-sceptical ethnic minorities?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,688
    edited February 2021
    kle4 said:

    I would not be surprised if we have top up vaccinations in the autumn, but that there is a push for use of face masks without it being law, on the basis that it might well cut down on the annual flu anyway.
    I think voluntary face masks, social distancing, and hand sanitiser are here to stay.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Have to say still no invitation for this 60+ to get a vaccine. Hearing widespread stories of those in their 50s getting a vaccine and the unwillingness of Government to publish detailed figures on the progress of vaccination does make me suspicious the rollout programme is proceeding rapidly in some areas and less well in others.

    The cohort of those aged 16-64 with underlying health conditions is admittedly one of the largest at over 7 million nationally but progress through this and down the population appears inconsistent to this observer whatever the national numbers are saying..

    People aged 65+ can arrange a jab themselves on the website.
  • Andy_JS said:

    That mustn't happen IMO. No facemasks for normal life, and flu is part of normal life.
    Very illiberal of you to outlaw what people choose to wear.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    Facemasks in the supermarket and on public transport might not be a bad idea. Down the pub, god no.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,846
    ydoethur said:
    Worth every penny the US spends on them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    Cookie said:

    Couldn't London be lagging because a) it has fewer old people, and b) there are more vaccine-sceptical ethnic minorities?
    That should have the opposite effect, as more doses will be available for the younger.
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