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It is a constant though, until the boil is lanced. Poll Tax has been paid for electorally and wasn't 'criminal'- indeed it was a much more equitable system than the perfidious council tax, which is yet another example of the single having to fund the excesses of the large family and house sharers.BobaFett said:@Dyed
Maybe so, but it has nothing to do with this debate. It's like me saying "yeah but whatabout the poll tax" when the PBTories were wetting themselves over a bacon sandwich.0 -
I think playing Friday to Tuesday makes this inevitable. How many people in work are going to be able to take Monday and Tuesday off to go and watch a game? The Thursday to Monday set up is much better.JackW said:Those vast number of empty rows of seats at Headingley are awful and just £5 for adults and kid free !!
Poor advert for test cricket.
As for kids, well it is a school day.
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@BobaFett
And, besides, the bacon thing is hilarious. The guy is an enormous dork and he can't help but show it. It's funny. However, the earnest will forgive him his dorkiness.0 -
For example, bacon gate allows the mischievous to muse over whether Ed has banana problems like his brother - will he be caught eating it sideways so both ends drop on the floor?0
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There were many thousands of empty seats on Saturday and Sunday and any self respecting cricket mad school lad would relish bunking off today.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think playing Friday to Tuesday makes this inevitable. How many people in work are going to be able to take Monday and Tuesday off to go and watch a game? The Thursday to Monday set up is much better.JackW said:Those vast number of empty rows of seats at Headingley are awful and just £5 for adults and kid free !!
Poor advert for test cricket.
As for kids, well it is a school day.
Has throwing the clog taken over as Yorkshire's national sport ?
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Nigel Dempster used to have a rule that he wouldn't report on you unless you had previously called him up to supply gossip on (a) yourself or (b) someone else. Once you did that you were fair game.*Socrates said:@CD13
At what is the level of fame you need to get to where you move from being an ordinary person who deserves privacy to being a celebrity that doesn't? Being on the TV once?
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Mr. W, nah, nipsy's far more popular.0
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I would never trust a politician with a strange shiny forehead. It must take Samantha hours to get it looking like that. She probably does it while cleaning the family silver.dyedwoolie said:@BobaFett
And, besides, the bacon thing is hilarious. The guy is an enormous dork and he can't help but show it. It's funny. However, the earnest will forgive him his dorkiness.
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The key issues only on pb.com.hucks67 said:
I would never trust a politician with a strange shiny forehead. It must take Samantha hours to get it looking like that. She probably does it while cleaning the family silver.dyedwoolie said:@BobaFett
And, besides, the bacon thing is hilarious. The guy is an enormous dork and he can't help but show it. It's funny. However, the earnest will forgive him his dorkiness.0 -
Nadal loses the first set ...0
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Nadal's been broken in the first set. If the other fellow, Martin Klizan (I think) holds his serve he takes the first set.0
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Get with the programme ....Morris_Dancer said:Nadal's been broken in the first set. If the other fellow, Martin Klizan (I think) holds his serve he takes the first set.
Titters
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Quite. Cameron is equally as hilarious, but as I vote Tory, I lay off himhucks67 said:
I would never trust a politician with a strange shiny forehead. It must take Samantha hours to get it looking like that. She probably does it while cleaning the family silver.dyedwoolie said:@BobaFett
And, besides, the bacon thing is hilarious. The guy is an enormous dork and he can't help but show it. It's funny. However, the earnest will forgive him his dorkiness.0 -
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The recordings of the polish politicians suggest that the other leaders think he'sphiliph said:
Which if you are a little Machiavellian may be a good ploy by Cameron to indicate to the other leaders he will continue to battle for his view to be upheld and will not cave in if there is the prospect of defeat.edmundintokyo said:
Agreed, in practice Juncker has very little to do with it, and if he did he'd actually be exactly the kind of pragmatic conservative fixer you needed in place to cut the necessary deals. The short-term catch (and again, this is only short-term - suck it up for a few weeks and the whole thing will be fish and chip wrappers, as will the Coulson story) is that Cameron has been messaging the opposite.Richard_Nabavi said:
We won't be negotiating with Juncker (or whoever gets the post). We will be negotiating with other EU countries, particularly Germany. The appointment of Juncker, if it happens, might be a sign that they are going to play hardball; well, two can play at that game. Assuming we get a Conservative government, our EU friends will have to decide if they want to make an effort to keep us in the EU, or not. Until such time as we actually do that negotiation, we won't know what the deal will be, but we do know that it won't be Juncker whom we have to do a deal with.taffys said:If Juncker is appointed and reform dead in the water, I don;t see what choice Cameron has. He wouldn't make a terribly convincing skeptic, perhaps, but skeptic he would have to become.
1. a muppet
2. not going to be PM after the next election.
http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/leaked-tapes-shed-light-on-difficult.html0 -
My comment was a response to a silly comment about bacon sarnies and dorks. As if it matters.TGOHF said:
The key issues only on pb.com.hucks67 said:
I would never trust a politician with a strange shiny forehead. It must take Samantha hours to get it looking like that. She probably does it while cleaning the family silver.dyedwoolie said:@BobaFett
And, besides, the bacon thing is hilarious. The guy is an enormous dork and he can't h
elp but show it. It's funny. However, the earnest will forgive him his dorkiness.
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I went to Headingley yesterday and had to queue for 20 minutes to buy tickets despite there only being about 30 people in the queue. They had only 3 people selling tickets at booths, each of whom had to type information into a computer which took ages. At the same time there were dozens of so-called "helpers" standing around doing nothing except chatting to each other.JackW said:Those vast number of empty rows of seats at Headingley are awful and just £5 for adults and kid free !!
Poor advert for test cricket.
What used to happen was you just walked through the turnstiles and simply handed £20 to the person there. The turnstiles are still there but you weren't able to buy tickets at them.0 -
Am I correct in believing that Coulson denied under oath that he knew about phone hacking, and nobody gave evidence that he knew about phone hacking but that the jury didn't believe him and therefore found him guilty?JackW said:
Coulson took overall responsibility and resigned but not because he was criminally involved.Socrates said:
Cameron knew that phone hacking had gone on at News of the World when he recruited Coulson. Coulson had already resigned from NotW over it.JackW said:
Gibberish.
How might Cameron know that option (b) might be true when he didn't know of it in the first place ?
The Prime Minister accepted Coulson's assurances and the vetting process and gave him a second chance.
Cameron was deceived by someone he trusted. An unenviable situation which I'd hope few of us should have the misfortune to suffer.
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Which, if Cameron plays well, will ensure he is. We don't like Johnny Foreigner slagging off our ownanotherDave said:
The recordings of the polish politicians suggest that the other leaders think he'sphiliph said:
Which if you are a little Machiavellian may be a good ploy by Cameron to indicate to the other leaders he will continue to battle for his view to be upheld and will not cave in if there is the prospect of defeat.edmundintokyo said:
Agreed, in practice Juncker has very little to do with it, and if he did he'd actually be exactly the kind of pragmatic conservative fixer you needed in place to cut the necessary deals. The short-term catch (and again, this is only short-term - suck it up for a few weeks and the whole thing will be fish and chip wrappers, as will the Coulson story) is that Cameron has been messaging the opposite.Richard_Nabavi said:
We won't be negotiating with Juncker (or whoever gets the post). We will be negotiating with other EU countries, particularly Germany. The appointment of Juncker, if it happens, might be a sign that they are going to play hardball; well, two can play at that game. Assuming we get a Conservative government, our EU friends will have to decide if they want to make an effort to keep us in the EU, or not. Until such time as we actually do that negotiation, we won't know what the deal will be, but we do know that it won't be Juncker whom we have to do a deal with.taffys said:If Juncker is appointed and reform dead in the water, I don;t see what choice Cameron has. He wouldn't make a terribly convincing skeptic, perhaps, but skeptic he would have to become.
1. a muppet
2. not going to be PM after the next election.
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Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
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Oh well, I guess this court verdict will obliterate almost all other news now until I leave for my three month sabbatical at the weekend.0
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Interesting pair of tweets.... especially the retweeter
The Staggers@TheStaggers·31 mins
Ed Miliband says the PM “owes the country an explanation” after Andy Coulson guilty verdict http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/06/ed-miliband-says-pm-owes-country-explanation-after-andy-coulson-guilty-verdict …
Retweeted by tom_watson
Peter Jukes@peterjukes·43 mins
Justice Saunders thanks the press for their forbearance but urges politicians to show restraint on commenting before trial is over
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Although some of the acting and writing might be criminal that doesn't mean they should themselves be subjected to illegal activity by the gutter press.dyedwoolie said:
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Mr. Dave, indeed. However, it's worth mentioning that if political leaders (generally) across Europe were doing a decent job then the likes of the National Front in France wouldn't be topping the polls in European elections.
Although I dislike Cameron's soft pro-EU approach, he is closer to the feeling of most people when it comes to the EU than the mindless federalists and bureaucrats (I almost wrote Byzantine bureaucrats, but Barrosso would be unfit to lick Julian the Apostate's boots).0 -
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
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"Around 45,000 immigrants have fraudulently obtained English language certificates, ministers will admit later today.
James Brokenshire, the Immigration Minister, will make an urgent statement to the Commons on the results of an investigation into allegations that fraudsters were sitting language tests on behalf of migrants.
Around 45,000 people fraudulently obtained language certificates despite being unable to speak English, sources said."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10922091/45000-immigrants-cheated-English-tests.html0 -
ARGH! I'm arguing in circles here. I'm defending my original comment, which was this:SimonStClare said:
I think we are in danger of misremembering what was known at the time – If memory recalls, the NoW Royal correspondent was convicted of hacking the princes’ phones and subsequently jailed. As a result Coulson resigned, however the police investigation at the time found no evidence to suggest Coulson was involved or that ‘hacking’ was widespread within the NoW.Socrates said:
Cameron knew that phone hacking had gone on at News of the World when he recruited Coulson. Coulson had already resigned from NotW over it.JackW said:
Gibberish.
How might Cameron know that option (b) might be true when he didn't know of it in the first place ?
If anything, the police investigation gave Coulson a clean bill of health, as the ‘Motorman inquiry’ had not been published and in fact had been sat on for several years.
So YES, I know it wasn't established that (a) was true. But Cameron must have known either (a) OR (b) had happened at the point he recruited him.Socrates said:When Cameron employed Coulson, he must have known he was either (a) guilty in being involved or (b) hapless in not knowing what his immediate staff were doing.
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Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1 · 25 mins
Extraordinary that Ed Miliband has issued a statement on hacking that can't actually be broadcast again on the judge's ruling.
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Indeed, though they should be unsurprised at their activities given their own ravenous greed for publicityJackW said:
Although some of the acting and writing might be criminal that doesn't mean they should themselves be subjected to illegal activity by the gutter press.dyedwoolie said:0 -
A nice change from not even standing by your own brotherdyedwoolie said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
The idea that younger siblings should pass on promotions if their older sibling wants it is ridiculous and unmeritocratic.0 -
Cameron and Osborne always look suspicious to me. I am sure Samantha and Frances have to keep an eye on them.dyedwoolie said:
Quite. Cameron is equally as hilarious, but as I vote Tory, I lay off himhucks67 said:
I would never trust a politician with a strange shiny forehead. It must take Samantha hours to get it looking like that. She probably does it while cleaning the family silver.dyedwoolie said:@BobaFett
And, besides, the bacon thing is hilarious. The guy is an enormous dork and he can't help but show it. It's funny. However, the earnest will forgive him his dorkiness.0 -
A nice change from not even standing by your own brotherdyedwoolie said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
No one ever suggests that David M should have stood down for his brother. Why should elder bothers have special privileges?
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Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
Total nonsense Socrates.
Cameron has explicitly repudiated the criminal activity of Coulson.
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Ed Miliband is today on the side of those who don't want their private grief violated by heartless public exposure - but come on Ed, you've an election campaign coming. It can't stay off limits through to next May...0
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Interesting that the Poles think the UK will leave:
Rostowski: “[Cameron] thinks he’ll go renegotiate and come back, no Polish government could agree to it. Except in return for a mountain of gold.”
Sikorski: “Its either a very badly thought through move, or, not for the first time a kind of incompetence in European affairs. Remember? He f***** up the fiscal pact. He f***** it up. Simple as that. He is not interested, he does not get it, he believes in the stupid propaganda, he stupidly tries to play the system... his whole strategy of feeding [his critics] scraps in order to satisfy them is just as I predicted, turning against him; he should have said, f*** off, tried to convince people and isolate [the sceptics]. But he ceded the field to those that are now embarrassing him.”
Rostowski: “For the Polish government to agree, someone will have to give us some mountain of gold. The Brits won’t give it to us, and the Germans, in order to keep the Brits on board, won’t give it to us either in all likelihood. So the answer will be: f*** off... [the impact of a Brexit] will generally be bad for us, because we would like for Great Britain to stay. I think it’ll be the case that [Cameron] will lose the elections. Great Britain will leave. Once they do, they’ll keep open borders. Not for [gypsy] beggars…"
Sikorski: “Just like Norway... Enough of this!” They've f***** up Eastern Europe and a few other things. [Mimics a Brit] If Europe doesn't reform, it’ll end badly! Let them worry about their economy. If they don’t re-organise themselves, they’ll have as bad an economy as Germany. What is that? What, how is that so monstrous?”0 -
No one ever suggests that David M should have stood down for his brother. Why should elder bothers have special privileges?MikeSmithson said:
A nice change from not even standing by your own brotherdyedwoolie said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
You don't have to if you put your own career as your main priority. It's a valid choice I suppose.
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Jason Groves @JasonGroves1 · 26 mins
Broadcasters pull David Cameron's apology over Andy Couldson + Ed Miliband's condemnation of him after judge warns of contempt. Oops
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No one ever suggests that David M should have stood down for his brother. Why should elder bothers have special privileges?MikeSmithson said:
A nice change from not even standing by your own brotherdyedwoolie said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
I think it was David M who put his name forward first of all and than Ed M decided to join the contest. So it was not an older/younger brother issue.
Not that it really matters, as both were entitled to take part and obviously David M did not win enough votes from parts of the Labour party.
As someone said on here recently, David M as previous Foreign Secretary was carrying more baggage anyway and was too connected to Blair.
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Close review of no ball "out" for Prior0
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Prior out0
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Total nonsense Socrates.JackW said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
Cameron has explicitly repudiated the criminal activity of Coulson.
Yes, the activity, but he hasn't exactly thrown the guy under a bus, has he?0 -
Theresa May presides over a leaky sieve. And yet she's supposed to be the next Tory leader? She's bloody useless.AndyJS said:"Around 45,000 immigrants have fraudulently obtained English language certificates, ministers will admit later today.
James Brokenshire, the Immigration Minister, will make an urgent statement to the Commons on the results of an investigation into allegations that fraudsters were sitting language tests on behalf of migrants.
Around 45,000 people fraudulently obtained language certificates despite being unable to speak English, sources said."
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Yes, the activity, but he hasn't exactly thrown the guy under a bus, has he?Socrates said:
Total nonsense Socrates.JackW said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
Cameron has explicitly repudiated the criminal activity of Coulson.
Why would he? He's not a baby killer
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Yes, the activity, but he hasn't exactly thrown the guy under a bus, has he?Socrates said:
Total nonsense Socrates.JackW said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
Cameron has explicitly repudiated the criminal activity of Coulson.
I think you'll find that's the duty of the presiding judge and Cameron also has to wary of "contempt" over the outstanding charges.
Edit - Noted Judge contempt warning and media pulling of statements by Cameron, Miliband et al.
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What's the source for that?Socrates said:Interesting that the Poles think the UK will leave:
Rostowski: “[Cameron] thinks he’ll go renegotiate and come back, no Polish government could agree to it. Except in return for a mountain of gold.”
Sikorski: “Its either a very badly thought through move, or, not for the first time a kind of incompetence in European affairs. Remember? He f***** up the fiscal pact. He f***** it up. Simple as that. He is not interested, he does not get it, he believes in the stupid propaganda, he stupidly tries to play the system... his whole strategy of feeding [his critics] scraps in order to satisfy them is just as I predicted, turning against him; he should have said, f*** off, tried to convince people and isolate [the sceptics]. But he ceded the field to those that are now embarrassing him.”
Rostowski: “For the Polish government to agree, someone will have to give us some mountain of gold. The Brits won’t give it to us, and the Germans, in order to keep the Brits on board, won’t give it to us either in all likelihood. So the answer will be: f*** off... [the impact of a Brexit] will generally be bad for us, because we would like for Great Britain to stay. I think it’ll be the case that [Cameron] will lose the elections. Great Britain will leave. Once they do, they’ll keep open borders. Not for [gypsy] beggars…"
Sikorski: “Just like Norway... Enough of this!” They've f***** up Eastern Europe and a few other things. [Mimics a Brit] If Europe doesn't reform, it’ll end badly! Let them worry about their economy. If they don’t re-organise themselves, they’ll have as bad an economy as Germany. What is that? What, how is that so monstrous?”0 -
Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.0
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"If they don’t re-organise themselves, they’ll have as bad an economy as Germany. What is that? What, how is that so monstrous?”
Do these comments tell us why all of the other European nations are on board with the euro project, come what may?
Do they think that by siding with Germany, they will become like Germany?0 -
@Dyed
In the same way I do when I want to sell my product, or you do when you want to sell your beer, presumably? You are conflating business with personal lives. How would you feel if the local paper intruded into your family's life with the justification that you were happy enough to talk to its journalists about the innovative new ale you were stocking?0 -
Australian gives out Englishman in dodgy fashion shockerAndyJS said:Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.
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No, she's doing an excellent job in making the very leaky sieve she inherited less leaky. As always, you want impossibly instant results.Socrates said:Theresa May presides over a leaky sieve. And yet she's supposed to be the next Tory leader? She's bloody useless.
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@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
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It goes back to the publics greed for celeb gossip, no one could give two hoots about my or your private life. Being a celebrity means accepting that you pay a price for access to advertising that the rest of us can only dream of.BobaFett said:@Dyed
In the same way I do when I want to sell my product, or you do when you want to sell your beer, presumably? You are conflating business with personal lives. How would you feel if the local paper intruded into your family's life with the justification that you were happy enough to talk to its journalists about the innovative new ale you were stocking?
Besides, everyone in the pub knows what I'm up to ;-)
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I was surprised at the decision. I certainly couldn't determine any part of the landed foot behind the line.dyedwoolie said:
Australian gives out Englishman in dodgy fashion shockerAndyJS said:Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.
However the rules state that on bowling line decisions the benefit of the doubt goes with the bowler.
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Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
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The tension mounts as we wait for the final England game0
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You think Europe blocking renegotiation will be bad for Cameron? LolSocrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
What a ####ing shambles.0 -
Not all of those marked as celebrities do that, however. Neither do their friends and family who are also having their privacy intruded upon.Sean_F said:
Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
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If they had not 'accidentally' forgotten to review the frame where his foot actually landed they might have seen there was no doubt.JackW said:
I was surprised at the decision. I certainly couldn't determine any part of the landed foot behind the line.dyedwoolie said:
Australian gives out Englishman in dodgy fashion shockerAndyJS said:Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.
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I'm not sure if they're complaining about the UK's requests, or complaining that the UK hasn't offered them a huge pay-off to accede to its requests.Socrates said:Interesting that the Poles think the UK will leave:
Rostowski: “[Cameron] thinks he’ll go renegotiate and come back, no Polish government could agree to it. Except in return for a mountain of gold.”
Sikorski: “Its either a very badly thought through move, or, not for the first time a kind of incompetence in European affairs. Remember? He f***** up the fiscal pact. He f***** it up. Simple as that. He is not interested, he does not get it, he believes in the stupid propaganda, he stupidly tries to play the system... his whole strategy of feeding [his critics] scraps in order to satisfy them is just as I predicted, turning against him; he should have said, f*** off, tried to convince people and isolate [the sceptics]. But he ceded the field to those that are now embarrassing him.”
Rostowski: “For the Polish government to agree, someone will have to give us some mountain of gold. The Brits won’t give it to us, and the Germans, in order to keep the Brits on board, won’t give it to us either in all likelihood. So the answer will be: f*** off... [the impact of a Brexit] will generally be bad for us, because we would like for Great Britain to stay. I think it’ll be the case that [Cameron] will lose the elections. Great Britain will leave. Once they do, they’ll keep open borders. Not for [gypsy] beggars…"
Sikorski: “Just like Norway... Enough of this!” They've f***** up Eastern Europe and a few other things. [Mimics a Brit] If Europe doesn't reform, it’ll end badly! Let them worry about their economy. If they don’t re-organise themselves, they’ll have as bad an economy as Germany. What is that? What, how is that so monstrous?”
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Ho hum. Another England football game. Some tension!!!!!!!!!MikeSmithson said:The tension mounts as we wait for the final England game
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The Panorama scandal was in February this year. That's three years into this government. Three years in and she hasn't even stopped the wrong people sitting the exams, or examiners reading aloud the answers to the test room? If that's what you call an "excellent job" I hate to think what a Tory minister would have to do for you to consider them doing poorly.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, she's doing an excellent job in making the very leaky sieve she inherited less leaky. As always, you want impossibly instant results.Socrates said:Theresa May presides over a leaky sieve. And yet she's supposed to be the next Tory leader? She's bloody useless.
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I still think Sri Lanka will win Mike, especially with the new ball to come shortly.MikeSmithson said:The tension mounts as we wait for the final England game
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Thanks. It sounds like those two Polish chaps would get on well with malcomg.Socrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
What a ####ing shambles.0 -
Mr. F, one wonders if they've considered there'll be less money going into the EU if we aren't paying the billions a year we do currently to be members.0
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Nothing has turned my stomach more than Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant doing pained rounds of media interviews about the injustice they've suffered.Sean_F said:
Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
Lord knows where we'd end up if they were in charge.
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Anyone with even a hint of appreciation for people's individual privacy would accept that Coulson is a hugely immoral man. Oh wait...dyedwoolie said:
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Tea - England 173/7
New ball in 3 overs.0 -
People still break the speed limit, drive drunk, and commit murder too.Socrates said:
The Panorama scandal was in February this year. That's three years into this government. Three years in and she hasn't even stopped the wrong people sitting the exams, or examiners reading aloud the answers to the test room? If that's what you call an "excellent job" I hate to think what a Tory minister would have to do for you to consider them doing poorly.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, she's doing an excellent job in making the very leaky sieve she inherited less leaky. As always, you want impossibly instant results.Socrates said:Theresa May presides over a leaky sieve. And yet she's supposed to be the next Tory leader? She's bloody useless.
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They're supposed to be Cameron's allies! You know, the people that will side with us to overcome the europhile opposition...Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. It sounds like those two Polish chaps would get on well with malcomg.Socrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
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How would you tackle either of those two points yourself?Socrates said:Three years in and she hasn't even stopped the wrong people sitting the exams, or examiners reading aloud the answers to the test room? If that's what you call an "excellent job" I hate to think what a Tory minister would have to do for you to consider them doing poorly.
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Haven't heard of that one - can you point it out ?JackW said:
However the rules state that on bowling line decisions the benefit of the doubt goes with the bowler.
http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/
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Now it becomes clear why Cameron doesn't care about GCHQ tapping into people's personal communications - his own spin doctor had already done it!0
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Lol. I'm a hugely immoral man, Coulson is a pup in comparison. He should be brushed aside, no more. The activities were not when he was employed by number 10 so it would be entirely inappropriate for the PM to throw him under a bus, he should apologise, brush the man aside, and move on.Socrates said:
Anyone with even a hint of appreciation for people's individual privacy would accept that Coulson is a hugely immoral man. Oh wait...dyedwoolie said:
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I don't think Hugh Grant has ever got over being caught engaged in "lewd conduct" in Hollywood.Casino_Royale said:
Nothing has turned my stomach more than Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant doing pained rounds of media interviews about the injustice they've suffered.Sean_F said:
Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
Lord knows where we'd end up if they were in charge.
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Actually, that's not strictly speaking true. If you read the openeurope homepage, they are getting very frustrated with the media describing them as Cameron's allies and have even posted a blog article on it. They have not been Cameron's allies for a long time, even though Cameron went to Oxford with one of them.Socrates said:
They're supposed to be Cameron's allies! You know, the people that will side with us to overcome the europhile opposition...Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. It sounds like those two Polish chaps would get on well with malcomg.Socrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
What a ####ing shambles.0 -
At least some people have laws to protect their privacy?
"Sheffield reporter threatened with arrest under anti-terrorism laws"
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/24/sheffield-reporter-arrest-anti-terrorism-laws0 -
If Law and Justice formed the Polish government, they'd likely be helpful. But, Civic Platform are committed federasts.Casino_Royale said:
Actually, that's not strictly speaking true. If you read the openeurope homepage, they are getting very frustrated with the media describing them as Cameron's allies and have even posted a blog article on it. They have not been Cameron's allies for a long time, even though Cameron went to Oxford with one of them.Socrates said:
They're supposed to be Cameron's allies! You know, the people that will side with us to overcome the europhile opposition...Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. It sounds like those two Polish chaps would get on well with malcomg.Socrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
What a ####ing shambles.
Radek Sikorski has long since ceased to be well-disposed towards this country.
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A channel for whistle blowers to anonymously report abuses in the system, random inspections without prior announcement, stiff corporate and individual punishments for anyone involved in fraudulently helping someone abuse the immigration system, lifetime bans from the UK for any foreigner involved.Charles said:
How would you tackle either of those two points yourself?Socrates said:Three years in and she hasn't even stopped the wrong people sitting the exams, or examiners reading aloud the answers to the test room? If that's what you call an "excellent job" I hate to think what a Tory minister would have to do for you to consider them doing poorly.
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Do you have the blog article?Casino_Royale said:
Actually, that's not strictly speaking true. If you read the openeurope homepage, they are getting very frustrated with the media describing them as Cameron's allies and have even posted a blog article on it. They have not been Cameron's allies for a long time, even though Cameron went to Oxford with one of them.Socrates said:
They're supposed to be Cameron's allies! You know, the people that will side with us to overcome the europhile opposition...Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. It sounds like those two Polish chaps would get on well with malcomg.Socrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
What a ####ing shambles.0 -
I thought that. I was convinced his heel landed on the line, not behind it. Why does the line belong to the umpire when it’s a batting decision, and to the plater when it’s a bowling one?dyedwoolie said:
If they had not 'accidentally' forgotten to review the frame where his foot actually landed they might have seen there was no doubt.JackW said:
I was surprised at the decision. I certainly couldn't determine any part of the landed foot behind the line.dyedwoolie said:
Australian gives out Englishman in dodgy fashion shockerAndyJS said:Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.
However the rules state that on bowling line decisions the benefit of the doubt goes with the bowler.0 -
I wouldn't be surprised if many of those exist (although I suspect the last will be difficult to enforce/implement). But she's never going to be able to ensure 100% compliance - where there are people willing to break the rules, there will be ways to break the rulesSocrates said:
A channel for whistle blowers to anonymously report abuses in the system, random inspections without prior announcement, stiff corporate and individual punishments for anyone involved in fraudulently helping someone abuse the immigration system, lifetime bans from the UK for any foreigner involved.Charles said:
How would you tackle either of those two points yourself?Socrates said:Three years in and she hasn't even stopped the wrong people sitting the exams, or examiners reading aloud the answers to the test room? If that's what you call an "excellent job" I hate to think what a Tory minister would have to do for you to consider them doing poorly.
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I'm being a bit lazy. All I did was google OpenEurope. It should be the top article in their blog list on their homepage? They've also tweeted it.Socrates said:
Do you have the blog article?Casino_Royale said:
Actually, that's not strictly speaking true. If you read the openeurope homepage, they are getting very frustrated with the media describing them as Cameron's allies and have even posted a blog article on it. They have not been Cameron's allies for a long time, even though Cameron went to Oxford with one of them.Socrates said:
They're supposed to be Cameron's allies! You know, the people that will side with us to overcome the europhile opposition...Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. It sounds like those two Polish chaps would get on well with malcomg.Socrates said:@Casino_Royale
Open Europe's translation of the leaked recording.
So today we find out that Cameron's former director of communications is a criminal, that tens of thousands are sneaking through our immigration system due to the most blatant cheating, and his closest EU allies say he doesn't stand a chance at renegotiation.
What a ####ing shambles.
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Disgraceful abuse of anti-terrorism laws. Do the police not think through that they may well get these powers revoked one day if they are continually abused in this manner ?Smarmeron said:At least some people have laws to protect their privacy?
"Sheffield reporter threatened with arrest under anti-terrorism laws"
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/24/sheffield-reporter-arrest-anti-terrorism-laws
And if a terrorist attack was to get through due to revocation of powers they'd only have themselves to blame.
But the powers should probably be revoked, that is no way to be using them. This case, and many many others.
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It doesn't, the rule clearly states a part of the foot must be behind the line, not on itOldKingCole said:
I thought that. I was convinced his heel landed on the line, not behind it. Why does the line belong to the umpire when it’s a batting decision, and to the plater when it’s a bowling one?dyedwoolie said:
If they had not 'accidentally' forgotten to review the frame where his foot actually landed they might have seen there was no doubt.JackW said:
I was surprised at the decision. I certainly couldn't determine any part of the landed foot behind the line.dyedwoolie said:
Australian gives out Englishman in dodgy fashion shockerAndyJS said:Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.
However the rules state that on bowling line decisions the benefit of the doubt goes with the bowler.
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Yes, the activity, but he hasn't exactly thrown the guy under a bus, has he?Socrates said:
Total nonsense Socrates.JackW said:
Cameron stands by his mates, even when they're criminals.Socrates said:edmundintokyo said:Anyone not following Richard M. Nixon on Twitter, it's consistently really good.
.@Number10gov Regarding Coulson, you are not just "sorry." You are betrayed. Here is a nefarious fellow who lied to you.
Cameron has explicitly repudiated the criminal activity of Coulson.
What exactly would you like Cameron to do?
Call up the SAS and have him murdered?;)
He's lost his job, his house and his reputation. Any day now he'll also lose his freedom.
His fall from grace is complete.
Do we need Cameron and anybody else dancing over his metaphorical grave? I think not.
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How do players like Sam Murray get into Wimbledon? She's appalling0
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And I don't think I've ever got over who he paid to engage in lewd conduct with. All the California girls were supposed to be potty for Hugh Grant back then, and yet he went down THAT road.. with HER?Sean_F said:
I don't think Hugh Grant has ever got over being caught engaged in "lewd conduct" in Hollywood.Casino_Royale said:
Nothing has turned my stomach more than Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant doing pained rounds of media interviews about the injustice they've suffered.Sean_F said:
Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
Lord knows where we'd end up if they were in charge.
It baffled me then, and it baffles me now.
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If there's an easy channel for whistle blowers, we should be able to find it easily online, but I can't. If there were effective random inspections, it wouldn't take Panorama, who have a lot less resources than the Home Office, to uncover the abuse three years in. I've yet to hear someone get a heavy prison sentence from this, or even a court case.Charles said:
I wouldn't be surprised if many of those exist (although I suspect the last will be difficult to enforce/implement). But she's never going to be able to ensure 100% compliance - where there are people willing to break the rules, there will be ways to break the rulesSocrates said:
A channel for whistle blowers to anonymously report abuses in the system, random inspections without prior announcement, stiff corporate and individual punishments for anyone involved in fraudulently helping someone abuse the immigration system, lifetime bans from the UK for any foreigner involved.Charles said:
How would you tackle either of those two points yourself?Socrates said:Three years in and she hasn't even stopped the wrong people sitting the exams, or examiners reading aloud the answers to the test room? If that's what you call an "excellent job" I hate to think what a Tory minister would have to do for you to consider them doing poorly.
I'm not expecting 100% compliance, but this was fraud on the scale of tens of thousands. And not particularly clever fraud either. It was found incredibly easily by the BBC.0 -
I thought that. I was convinced his heel landed on the line, not behind it. Why does the line belong to the umpire when it’s a batting decision, and to the player when it’s a bowling one?dyedwoolie said:
If they had not 'accidentally' forgotten to review the frame where his foot actually landed they might have seen there was no doubt.JackW said:
I was surprised at the decision. I certainly couldn't determine any part of the landed foot behind the line.dyedwoolie said:
Australian gives out Englishman in dodgy fashion shockerAndyJS said:Third umpire Paul Reiffel appears not to understand the front foot no-ball rule.
However the rules state that on bowling line decisions the benefit of the doubt goes with the bowler.
My copy, admittedly not the latest edition, of Tom Smith says categorically that “the bowlers from foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised behind the popping crease.”
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Hugh Grant probably wouldn't you to report that.AndyJS said:I've got a feeling England are going to get spanked in this match against Costa Rica.
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Why would they think the powers would be revoked? Both this government and the last are quite happy to endlessly hand over new powers to the security services, despite plenty of cases of abuse.Pulpstar said:
Disgraceful abuse of anti-terrorism laws. Do the police not think through that they may well get these powers revoked one day if they are continually abused in this manner ?Smarmeron said:At least some people have laws to protect their privacy?
"Sheffield reporter threatened with arrest under anti-terrorism laws"
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/24/sheffield-reporter-arrest-anti-terrorism-laws
And if a terrorist attack was to get through due to revocation of powers they'd only have themselves to blame.
But the powers should probably be revoked, that is no way to be using them. This case, and many many others.0 -
I've always suspected that like a lot of rich, successful, good-looking men who seemingly go with "ladies of the night" for no reason at all, it's the thrill of possibly getting caught in the act that's the real turn-on as opposed to the women themselves.Casino_Royale said:
And I don't think I've ever got over who he paid to engage in lewd conduct with. All the California girls were supposed to be potty for Hugh Grant back then, and yet he went down THAT road.. with HER?Sean_F said:
I don't think Hugh Grant has ever got over being caught engaged in "lewd conduct" in Hollywood.Casino_Royale said:
Nothing has turned my stomach more than Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant doing pained rounds of media interviews about the injustice they've suffered.Sean_F said:
Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
Lord knows where we'd end up if they were in charge.
It baffled me then, and it baffles me now.
The danger and excitement of it all...
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Better still, he told Divine Brown that he loved her, that she was the most beautiful woman he'd ever met, at a time when he was going out with Elizabeth Hurley.Casino_Royale said:
And I don't think I've ever got over who he paid to engage in lewd conduct with. All the California girls were supposed to be potty for Hugh Grant back then, and yet he went down THAT road.. with HER?Sean_F said:
I don't think Hugh Grant has ever got over being caught engaged in "lewd conduct" in Hollywood.Casino_Royale said:
Nothing has turned my stomach more than Steve Coogan and Hugh Grant doing pained rounds of media interviews about the injustice they've suffered.Sean_F said:
Celebrities, however, want the Press to report their every doing, at least when it reflects credit on them. I don't therefore feel very sorry for celebrities who have their unsavoury habits reported in the Press.BobaFett said:Why should people have to tolerate sneery hacks intruding into their private lives just because they are slebs? Phone hacking is, rightly, illegal. The fact that they are slebs is entirely irrelevant.
Lord knows where we'd end up if they were in charge.
It baffled me then, and it baffles me now.
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