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The Tories biggest challenge at the next general election: Starmer isn’t Corbyn – politicalbetting.com
One of the key factors about Johnson’s electoral successes is that they have happened when he’s been up against LAB opponents who subsequently became massive negatives for their party. Thus Boris beat Ken Livingstone for the London Mayoralty in 2008 and 2012 and his 2019 general election victory was against Corbyn who by then had been hugely discredited.
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First as Labour will be at the next election.0
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First like Labour
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Despite question marks over Starmer, I think he has set expectations for a potential Labour government at a completely different level from Corbyn. Now it is being tested as a serious alternative government.2
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I don't get it either. Good on the Scottish government for doing it properly. Hopefully it puts pressure on Boris to do it as well and we approach Ireland over a two island approach.Fairliered said:
Good! Don’t want them here! Seriously though, I don’t understand why the UK Government don’t also insist on all travellers from abroad having to isolate in hotels, when the travellers are paying for their accommodation.CarlottaVance said:
By passing the buck to England:CarlottaVance said:
They'll be obliged to quarantine too - by what method or measures, not yet clear.MarqueeMark said:
Meanwhile, anybody flying into Newcastle or Leeds or Manchester and then getting a train north.....CarlottaVance said:Scotland to quarantine ALL International travellers from Monday (not just the "Red-List" countries):
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1359156489919860742?s=20
Which looks like one flight a day at Aberdeen from Bergen and another from Doha at Edinburgh....
Those arriving into England for onward travel to Scotland “will have to isolate in a hotel in England”, the transport secretary said.
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/incoming-travellers-scotland-will-face-quarantine-hotels-monday-3129278?r=8387
Not sure how that's going to work.....0 -
Is this the queue for the left over vaccines for today?0
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
Morons.6 -
HMG is hesitating because it will further screw the economy, at a time when the UK is already tottering, thanks to Covid and Brexit.MaxPB said:
I don't get it either. Good on the Scottish government for doing it properly. Hopefully it puts pressure on Boris to do it as well and we approach Ireland over a two island approach.Fairliered said:
Good! Don’t want them here! Seriously though, I don’t understand why the UK Government don’t also insist on all travellers from abroad having to isolate in hotels, when the travellers are paying for their accommodation.CarlottaVance said:
By passing the buck to England:CarlottaVance said:
They'll be obliged to quarantine too - by what method or measures, not yet clear.MarqueeMark said:
Meanwhile, anybody flying into Newcastle or Leeds or Manchester and then getting a train north.....CarlottaVance said:Scotland to quarantine ALL International travellers from Monday (not just the "Red-List" countries):
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1359156489919860742?s=20
Which looks like one flight a day at Aberdeen from Bergen and another from Doha at Edinburgh....
Those arriving into England for onward travel to Scotland “will have to isolate in a hotel in England”, the transport secretary said.
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/incoming-travellers-scotland-will-face-quarantine-hotels-monday-3129278?r=8387
Not sure how that's going to work.....
cf Thailand, which has had this hotel quarantine policy for many months. It has crushed Covid, but it has also completely crushed tourism and hospitality, which were huge earners for Thailand.
https://mustsharenews.com/platinum-fashion-mall-close/
So much so, Bangkok is now considering vaccine passports.
https://www.thaipbsworld.com/vaccinated-foreigners-may-be-allowed-to-enter-thailand-without-quarantine/
Whatever HMG says, vaccine passports are coming because all our fave destinations will demand them.
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Not clear about the rules for Next PM after Johnson. Would that include a Starmer-led Labour Party winning the next GE? If so odds should be much better than 20%.0
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I still maintain labour are an analogue party in a digital world. I even reckon their current 37/38% share is extremely soft.
Young people are a key constituency for them. What are they offering people 18-35?
A vast tundra of colossal debt, disrupted education, joblessness and draconian restrictions on everything that makes being young so great.
This segment may still be labour supporting, but ask yourself, would you turn out to vote for THAT?0 -
Tourism is already dead in the UK and we can also introduce vaccine passports for all UK approved vaccines in the future for incoming travellers to dodge the quarantine.Leon said:
HMG is hesitating because it will further screw the economy, at a time when the UK is already tottering, thanks to Covid and Brexit.MaxPB said:
I don't get it either. Good on the Scottish government for doing it properly. Hopefully it puts pressure on Boris to do it as well and we approach Ireland over a two island approach.Fairliered said:
Good! Don’t want them here! Seriously though, I don’t understand why the UK Government don’t also insist on all travellers from abroad having to isolate in hotels, when the travellers are paying for their accommodation.CarlottaVance said:
By passing the buck to England:CarlottaVance said:
They'll be obliged to quarantine too - by what method or measures, not yet clear.MarqueeMark said:
Meanwhile, anybody flying into Newcastle or Leeds or Manchester and then getting a train north.....CarlottaVance said:Scotland to quarantine ALL International travellers from Monday (not just the "Red-List" countries):
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1359156489919860742?s=20
Which looks like one flight a day at Aberdeen from Bergen and another from Doha at Edinburgh....
Those arriving into England for onward travel to Scotland “will have to isolate in a hotel in England”, the transport secretary said.
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/incoming-travellers-scotland-will-face-quarantine-hotels-monday-3129278?r=8387
Not sure how that's going to work.....
cf Thailand, which has had this hotel quarantine policy for many months. It has crushed Covid, but it has also completely crushed tourism and hospitality, which were huge earners for Thailand.
https://mustsharenews.com/platinum-fashion-mall-close/
So much so, Bangkok is now considering vaccine passports.
https://www.thaipbsworld.com/vaccinated-foreigners-may-be-allowed-to-enter-thailand-without-quarantine/
Whatever HMG says, vaccine passports are coming because all our fave destinations will demand them.
There is no reason to have this partial limit on entry. Look at what is happening in Austria, a country which isn't currently on the red list. Someone from Austria can easily fly to the UK with the SA variant, ignore all of the quarantine rules, spread the virus to the people they visit and fly back. It's not enough to block people from Brazil, Portugal and SA, we need to block everyone from everywhere until such time as we have our rapid vaccine response with CureVac ready to go and individuals can show they have been vaccinated with easy to check national databases attached to passport numbers.4 -
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He needs a shadow cabinet who are half decent. He's got quite good people but for some reason has overlooked some of the better ones. Yvette Cooper is impressive Rachel Reeves Hillary Benn and Ian Murray to name a few. It's difficult seeing Johnson suddenly turning into a silk purse so SKS should be in with a shout.FF43 said:Despite question marks over Starmer, I think he has set expectations for a potential Labour government at a completely different level from Corbyn. Now it is being tested as a serious alternative government.
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Re-watching he 2019 election night Labour were adamant the election result had nothing to do with Corbyn. It was all the B word. So the chart in the header is all lies.0
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On topic. Yeah I agree Starmer is under priced. 30-35 % maybe.0
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12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues3
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The question mark over Starmer is not dissimilar to the question marks over lightweight Bambi prior to 1997.FF43 said:Despite question marks over Starmer, I think he has set expectations for a potential Labour government at a completely different level from Corbyn. Now it is being tested as a serious alternative government.
I don't think Starmer needs to flesh out the bones of his programme for Government yet, as demanded by Tories. However the time to at least see some bones rather than just fresh air is already here.0 -
So not wearing face masks is working?NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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I like those Starmer odds too. The GE will imo be Johnson v Starmer and I'd make that a 60/40. Obvious caveat of way way too early for anything but broadbrush helicopter views.0
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Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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Still sobering that another 1000+ deaths.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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NerysHughes said:
12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.0 -
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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That's a really weird thing to do! I can imagine re watching a football match or boxing for the action but an election? All who don't want to know the result look away now.....ozymandias said:Re-watching he 2019 election night Labour were adamant the election result had nothing to do with Corbyn. It was all the B word. So the chart in the header is all lies.
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Plus Brexit has been done too of course now but Starmer cannot just rely on not being Boris and not being Corbyn, he also has to have some positive reasons to vote for him too1
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We might be needing a new Governor of the Bank of England soon.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/02/09/andrew-bailey-asked-remove-name-damning-lcf-report-says-judge/
https://twitter.com/CommonsTreasury/status/13591705699844751420 -
At the despatch box and in the voting lobby he has not overly shown that he is not Boris.HYUFD said:Plus Brexit has been done too of course now but Starmer cannot just rely on not being Boris and not being Corbyn, he also has to have some positive reasons to vote for him too
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Not sure Starmer needs to lay out the shape of his programme. But I think he needs to make the moral case for a Labour government, as opposed to the Conservative one, better than he is doing.Mexicanpete said:
The question mark over Starmer is not dissimilar to the question marks over lightweight Bambi prior to 1997.FF43 said:Despite question marks over Starmer, I think he has set expectations for a potential Labour government at a completely different level from Corbyn. Now it is being tested as a serious alternative government.
I don't think Starmer needs to flesh out the bones of his programme for Government yet, as demanded by Tories. However the time to at least see some bones rather than just fresh air is already here.0 -
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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That is a fair call.kinabalu said:I like those Starmer odds too. The GE will imo be Johnson v Starmer and I'd make that a 60/40. Obvious caveat of way way too early for anything but broadbrush helicopter views.
I would expect to see it at 50/50 by this time next year, and as the economy struggles Starmer may edge it thereafter.0 -
It's actually quite interesting. Well for me anyway.Roger said:
That's a really weird thing to do! I can imagine re watching a football match or boxing for the action but an election? All who don't want to know the result look away now.....ozymandias said:Re-watching he 2019 election night Labour were adamant the election result had nothing to do with Corbyn. It was all the B word. So the chart in the header is all lies.
Re-watched the 2010 election and the number of times "Strong and Stable" was uttered by Labour was amusing. Ms Harman in-fact was the first the use it when being interviewed. Brown himself muttered the legendary words.
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That isn't what i said.... hopefully we can get schools back shortly, but that might be the maximum amount of loosing of restrictions that are possible.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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On 110, 000 and counting fatalities, Johnson is right to be cautious.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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Trends continue:
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The most notable polling of recent days has been the revelation by IPSOS-Mori that only 4% of the public think that Labour has changed for the worse under Starmer, while 48% think that under him the party has changed for the better.
That poll ought to be set in tablets of stone and held up at every Constituency Labour Party meeting the next time that the far left unreconstructed Corbynite die-hards kick off.3 -
We will see, I think the question will be symptomatic COVID in April once all the over 50s have been immunised, we could be at a very low number and almost no hospitalisations with deaths in the 10s per day. The pressure to unlock the economy will be immense and the party will axe Boris to get rid of Hancock and rule by SAGE if necessary.FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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Not weird on here, I suspect.Roger said:
That's a really weird thing to do! I can imagine re watching a football match or boxing for the action but an election?ozymandias said:Re-watching he 2019 election night Labour were adamant the election result had nothing to do with Corbyn. It was all the B word. So the chart in the header is all lies.
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You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.4 -
Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.4
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The answer to your conundrum according to our Tory friends is to wrap himself in the Union Flag. I would prefer a promotion of UK plc by Starmer instead.FF43 said:
Not sure Starmer needs to lay out the shape of his programme. But I think he needs to make the moral case for a Labour government, as opposed to the Conservative one, better than he is doing.Mexicanpete said:
The question mark over Starmer is not dissimilar to the question marks over lightweight Bambi prior to 1997.FF43 said:Despite question marks over Starmer, I think he has set expectations for a potential Labour government at a completely different level from Corbyn. Now it is being tested as a serious alternative government.
I don't think Starmer needs to flesh out the bones of his programme for Government yet, as demanded by Tories. However the time to at least see some bones rather than just fresh air is already here.0 -
It is not an either or. The evidence shows this.Mexicanpete said:
On 110, 000 and counting fatalities, Johnson is right to be cautious.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
French children are in school. They do not have the vaccine like we do. They rejected a full lockdown. Their cases are still dropping. Cases are also dropping in US juristictions that do not have lockdowns or in some cases even mask mandates.
What you and Urquhart are presenting is a false choice and a false cause and effect model.0 -
What the actual fuck? How do the non-idiots make our views known to Cumbria County Council?tlg86 said:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
Morons.2 -
I reckon 20% on Starmer being next PM is very generous. I'd put it at around 50%, with the proviso that Covid is over as a health issue, though not an economic one.
Corbyn has gone. Brexit is done - the outcome will still be an issue, but not Brexit itself. The far, far left are either leaving Labour or being marginalised. Because of Covid, neither Starmer nor his team have had a decent hearing yet on anything other than the crisis. Starmer is no fool: policy development is well under way. The Tories' support is flattered by the pandemic and boosted by vaccination; it's not that deep, and once the health crisis is over the nation will be less inclined to give the government the benefit of the doubt. Tories have been in power a long time. And if the Shadow Cabinet has weaknesses, these are no greater, and I would suggest less, than those in the actual Cabinet. Oh, and people like JRM wittering on about 'happy fish' will lose the Tories votes. Oh, and Boris's appeal will wear a bit thin by 2024.
I'm almost persuading myself that Starmer has a better than evens chance of next PM.2 -
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
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I agree!Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
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The FCA's regulation has been beyond awful of investments such as LCF. You accept you might be taking a risk when you've got say a second charge on a house paying 12% PA but the risks are far beyond what they should be.TheScreamingEagles said:We might be needing a new Governor of the Bank of England soon.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/02/09/andrew-bailey-asked-remove-name-damning-lcf-report-says-judge/
https://twitter.com/CommonsTreasury/status/13591705699844751420 -
They won't need to axe Boris. He is as anxious to lift lockdown as anyone rational.MaxPB said:
We will see, I think the question will be symptomatic COVID in April once all the over 50s have been immunised, we could be at a very low number and almost no hospitalisations with deaths in the 10s per day. The pressure to unlock the economy will be immense and the party will axe Boris to get rid of Hancock and rule by SAGE if necessary.FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
The priority though should be how can we eliminate domestic restrictions entirely. Saying pubs can reopen but with a curfew, social distancing, no mixing of households ... That isn't living.
We need to be able to reopen properly. If staying locked down for a fortnight longer means we can then reopen properly rather than stuck in purgatory we should do that.3 -
You know that French cases aren't dropping, right?contrarian said:
It is not an either or. The evidence shows this.Mexicanpete said:
On 110, 000 and counting fatalities, Johnson is right to be cautious.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
French children are in school. They do not have the vaccine like we do. They rejected a full lockdown. Their cases are still dropping. Cases are also dropping in US juristictions that do not have lockdowns or in some cases even mask mandates.
What you and Urquhart are presenting is a false choice and a false cause and effect model.
They've had 20,000 cases/day for the last month...1 -
Yeah, it is totally false to claim they are dropping. If anything, they are going up.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You know that French cases aren't dropping, right?contrarian said:
It is not an either or. The evidence shows this.Mexicanpete said:
On 110, 000 and counting fatalities, Johnson is right to be cautious.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
French children are in school. They do not have the vaccine like we do. They rejected a full lockdown. Their cases are still dropping. Cases are also dropping in US juristictions that do not have lockdowns or in some cases even mask mandates.
What you and Urquhart are presenting is a false choice and a false cause and effect model.
They've had 20,000 cases/day for the last month...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/1 -
I am merely going on what Sir Ian Boyd said today. He's a member of SAGE, last time I looked. Are you saying I should ignore him?Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.0 -
I've said for a while I'll be happy once positivity is back under 1%. We are fast approaching that. Looks like it's fallen under 2% today which is a dramatic turnaround from what it was recently.CarlottaVance said:Trends continue:
That testing numbers are holding up while the positives are collapsing is really good news.3 -
The true identity of SAGE will only be revealed when the thyme is right.Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.6 -
Must be having a reaction to all the needless shit chatted about Scotland 2 weeks ago.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.0 -
Including the fact that Basil is a secret member of Sage?BluestBlue said:
The true identity of SAGE will only be revealed when the thyme is right.Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.1 -
Well they have a point if they are now sitting on a huge surplus when they could have been vaccinating more people outside of the first tier.Alistair said:
Must be having a reaction to all the needless shit chatted about Scotland 2 weeks ago.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.
Did you ever get to the bottom of the overall number in Scottish care homes? I recall we discussed an apparent inconsistency in the figures relating to the population eligible.0 -
It is one of those weird coincidences that their cases dropped when they had their 2nd lockdown. And have started rising since lockdown was released.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You know that French cases aren't dropping, right?contrarian said:
It is not an either or. The evidence shows this.Mexicanpete said:
On 110, 000 and counting fatalities, Johnson is right to be cautious.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
French children are in school. They do not have the vaccine like we do. They rejected a full lockdown. Their cases are still dropping. Cases are also dropping in US juristictions that do not have lockdowns or in some cases even mask mandates.
What you and Urquhart are presenting is a false choice and a false cause and effect model.
They've had 20,000 cases/day for the last month...2 -
No I expect you are utterly misrepresenting or misunderstanding him though.contrarian said:
I am merely going on what Sir Ian Boyd said today. He's a member of SAGE, last time I looked. Are you saying I should ignore him?Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.
Go on, how has he suggested that cases are falling too fast? I call BS.0 -
Nobody in authority seems prepared to stand by a rational and balanced decision when under attack from the green lobbyists and activists. If there was, say, a televised debate on this decision the anti-mining side would be annihilated because this mine will reduce net carbon emissions unless the UK is going to abandon infrastructure development (including wind farms) that require steel!Luckyguy1983 said:
What the actual fuck? How do the non-idiots make our views known to Cumbria County Council?tlg86 said:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
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So, out of 36,000 Care Home residents in Scotland, only 144 have i) not given consent or ii) were not suitable because of current infection?Alistair said:
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
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Yes, the positivity figure is a hugely important number psychologically for me. Especially as test continues to stay high.Philip_Thompson said:
I've said for a while I'll be happy once positivity is back under 1%. We are fast approaching that. Looks like it's fallen under 2% today which is a dramatic turnaround from what it was recently.CarlottaVance said:Trends continue:
That testing numbers are holding up while the positives are collapsing is really good news.1 -
Plus France has a strict curfew doesn't it? Much stricter enforcement than anything we have seen here too.TheWhiteRabbit said:
You know that French cases aren't dropping, right?contrarian said:
It is not an either or. The evidence shows this.Mexicanpete said:
On 110, 000 and counting fatalities, Johnson is right to be cautious.contrarian said:
Best we leave our children uneducated and rotting then.......???......FFS.....FrancisUrquhart said:
The big unknown is how much we can release the restrictions without R going over 1. Just schools going back could well do it.MaxPB said:
Lockdown works to get cases down. This is not a surprise, hopefully this time with the vaccination programme we won't see them go back up like last time.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
French children are in school. They do not have the vaccine like we do. They rejected a full lockdown. Their cases are still dropping. Cases are also dropping in US juristictions that do not have lockdowns or in some cases even mask mandates.
What you and Urquhart are presenting is a false choice and a false cause and effect model.
They've had 20,000 cases/day for the last month...0 -
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Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100K population
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There aren't 36,000 older care home resident in long term care in Scotland.CarlottaVance said:
So, out of 36,000 Care Home residents in Scotland, only 144 have i) not given consent or ii) were not suitable because of current infection?Alistair said:
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
As at 8:30am on Tuesday 9 February:
29,908 care home residents (99.7% of residents in older adult care homes and 93% of residents in all care homes)
Do you think they are lying about vaccinating 29,908 care home residents?0 -
The PB vax banter window has now officially shut. Henceforth referring to uncomfortable comparisons will be classified as snark and in bad taste.Alistair said:
Must be having a reaction to all the needless shit chatted about Scotland 2 weeks ago.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.
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@Malmesbury what's happening in Rutland?
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Indeed. Far from being a nefarious cabal, they will offer us all salviation.Northern_Al said:
Including the fact that Basil is a secret member of Sage?BluestBlue said:
The true identity of SAGE will only be revealed when the thyme is right.Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.0 -
I have to say, I didn't realise that the objection is to do with the emissions associated with mining rather than objections to mining coal.NorthofStoke said:
Nobody in authority seems prepared to stand by a rational and balanced decision when under attack from the green lobbyists and activists. If there was, say, a televised debate on this decision the anti-mining side would be annihilated because this mine will reduce net carbon emissions unless the UK is going to abandon infrastructure development (including wind farms) that require steel!Luckyguy1983 said:
What the actual fuck? How do the non-idiots make our views known to Cumbria County Council?tlg86 said:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
Morons.
But as you say, it's still completely stupid. Our emissions have fallen because we import lots of goods and the associated CO2 goes against other countries.1 -
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What is so odd is finding people getting so excited about that 36K figure when it is clearly stated to be an estimate, and then complaining that the resulting figure is accurate to 3sf when really it's 1sf at best (deduct one accurate figure from one estimate a little larger, and ...).CarlottaVance said:
So, out of 36,000 Care Home residents in Scotland, only 144 have i) not given consent or ii) were not suitable because of current infection?Alistair said:
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
It's not as if the care homes are all part of the NHS with regular real time central reporting. Indeed, one wonders how accurate the English figure is for that matter.0 -
There's an outbreak in a prison there.RobD said:@Malmesbury what's happening in Rutland?
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One in a series of headers
THE TORIES BIGGEST CHALLENGE AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION: BROWN ISN’T BLAIR
THE TORIES BIGGEST CHALLENGE AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION: MILIBAND ISN’T BROWN
THE TORIES BIGGEST CHALLENGE AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION: CORBYN ISN’T MILIBAND4 -
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They must be Labour. I refuse to believe a Tory council would behave in this way.NorthofStoke said:
Nobody in authority seems prepared to stand by a rational and balanced decision when under attack from the green lobbyists and activists. If there was, say, a televised debate on this decision the anti-mining side would be annihilated because this mine will reduce net carbon emissions unless the UK is going to abandon infrastructure development (including wind farms) that require steel!Luckyguy1983 said:
What the actual fuck? How do the non-idiots make our views known to Cumbria County Council?tlg86 said:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
Morons.0 -
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So after accounting for the uncertainties on the various figures it's likely the English and Scottish ones are actually quite similar? If they got there in roughly the same time it doesn't say much for the effort to focus on them in Scotland, does it?Carnyx said:
What is so odd is finding people getting so excited about that 36K figure when it is clearly stated to be an estimate, and then complaining that the resulting figure is accurate to 3sf when really it's 1sf at best (deduct one accurate figure from one estimate a little larger, and ...).CarlottaVance said:
So, out of 36,000 Care Home residents in Scotland, only 144 have i) not given consent or ii) were not suitable because of current infection?Alistair said:
Absolutely loving the "Scottish government lying about how many Care Home Residents it has vaccinated" thought line at the moment.RobD said:
Not sure why the snark is necessary. It's only Scotland using the stockpile that has been accumulated.Alistair said:Very disappointing to see England's week-on-week decline in vaccination numbers. I think England will need to call in some Scottish experts to help get their vaccination programme back on track.
It's not as if the care homes are all part of the NHS with regular real time central reporting. Indeed, one wonders how accurate the English figure is for that matter.0 -
It's very hung:Luckyguy1983 said:
They must be Labour. I refuse to believe a Tory council would behave in this way.NorthofStoke said:
Nobody in authority seems prepared to stand by a rational and balanced decision when under attack from the green lobbyists and activists. If there was, say, a televised debate on this decision the anti-mining side would be annihilated because this mine will reduce net carbon emissions unless the UK is going to abandon infrastructure development (including wind farms) that require steel!Luckyguy1983 said:
What the actual fuck? How do the non-idiots make our views known to Cumbria County Council?tlg86 said:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
Morons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_County_Council1 -
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I don't know what you people think another round of ridiculous puns is going to achive.BluestBlue said:
Indeed. Far from being a nefarious cabal, they will offer us all salviation.Northern_Al said:
Including the fact that Basil is a secret member of Sage?BluestBlue said:
The true identity of SAGE will only be revealed when the thyme is right.Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.1 -
For us, yes.Sandpit said:
Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
But look at the Johnson government. Look at what it does, not what it says. It doesn;t want to move, really. IF it did, those kids would be in school. They aren't. They can be left to rot. Even though there's a stack of good news around.
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The plan has never been for schools to reopen this early, has it?contrarian said:
For us, yes.Sandpit said:
Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
But look at the Johnson government. Look at what it does, not what it says. It doesn;t want to move, really. IF it did, those kids would be in school. They aren't. They can be left to rot. Even though there's a stack of good news around.0 -
You plainly know your onions.BluestBlue said:
The true identity of SAGE will only be revealed when the thyme is right.Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.2 -
Hancock seems to have got pelters from the left over having the temerity to suggest asylum seekers from red zone countries should be quarantineds then sent back and flak from the right over liking lockdown too much.
Personally I think he's doing a good job now.2 -
A combination of a prison outbreak and a tiny denominator (population 36k for the county).RobD said:@Malmesbury what's happening in Rutland?
It did worry me the other night, as my parents live here and they had one of the lowest rates in the country until a week ago!0 -
Tuesday has always been effectively 3 days of deaths with the lack of them aggregated over the weekend. 7 day average still down 25%. That is the number to focus on.FrancisUrquhart said:
Still sobering that another 1000+ deaths.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
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It's always a good idea to bear in mind that a small outbreak in a relatively "quiet" area will cause a big local R - so read the local R sheet with reference to the Cases and Scaled Cases....DougSeal said:
There's an outbreak in a prison there.RobD said:@Malmesbury what's happening in Rutland?
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Lib Lab coalition. No surprise there.tlg86 said:
It's very hung:Luckyguy1983 said:
They must be Labour. I refuse to believe a Tory council would behave in this way.NorthofStoke said:
Nobody in authority seems prepared to stand by a rational and balanced decision when under attack from the green lobbyists and activists. If there was, say, a televised debate on this decision the anti-mining side would be annihilated because this mine will reduce net carbon emissions unless the UK is going to abandon infrastructure development (including wind farms) that require steel!Luckyguy1983 said:
What the actual fuck? How do the non-idiots make our views known to Cumbria County Council?tlg86 said:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/county-council-to-reconsider-cumbria-coal-mine-application
Cumbria county council has said it will reconsider the planning application for a new coalmine near Whitehaven, which has prompted widespread criticism, in light of new information on UK greenhouse gas targets.
Morons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_County_Council0 -
People are suggesting asylum seekers should be exempt from quarantine? Perhaps they don't pay, but they should still have to do it.Pulpstar said:Hancock seems to have got pelters from the left over having the temerity to suggest asylum seekers from red zone countries should be quarantineds then sent back and flak from the right over liking lockdown too much.
Personally I think he's doing a good job now.0 -
It's simple really.Northern_Al said:I reckon 20% on Starmer being next PM is very generous. I'd put it at around 50%, with the proviso that Covid is over as a health issue, though not an economic one.
Corbyn has gone. Brexit is done - the outcome will still be an issue, but not Brexit itself. The far, far left are either leaving Labour or being marginalised. Because of Covid, neither Starmer nor his team have had a decent hearing yet on anything other than the crisis. Starmer is no fool: policy development is well under way. The Tories' support is flattered by the pandemic and boosted by vaccination; it's not that deep, and once the health crisis is over the nation will be less inclined to give the government the benefit of the doubt. Tories have been in power a long time. And if the Shadow Cabinet has weaknesses, these are no greater, and I would suggest less, than those in the actual Cabinet. Oh, and people like JRM wittering on about 'happy fish' will lose the Tories votes. Oh, and Boris's appeal will wear a bit thin by 2024.
I'm almost persuading myself that Starmer has a better than evens chance of next PM.
The public are responding very rationally to events that affect them. Good on the public.
When the government does something good (lockdown 1, furlough, vaccines) their rating goes up.
When the government makes a bish of things (not sacking Dom, exam results, Christmas) their rating goes down.
If the lead is 43-38, the Conservatives stay in power. If it's 41-40, they don't, because all the other parties hate them.
So the question is this;
Will the government do more good things or bad things in the next three years?
Now look at the cabinet, and ask yourself again.
Will the government do more good things or bad things in the next three years?0 -
I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.RobD said:
The plan has never been for schools to reopen this early, has it?contrarian said:
For us, yes.Sandpit said:
Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
But look at the Johnson government. Look at what it does, not what it says. It doesn;t want to move, really. IF it did, those kids would be in school. They aren't. They can be left to rot. Even though there's a stack of good news around.
I know I am a nuisance on this but the way our young people have been treated infuriates me. I also deal with some of the young people at my place of work and they are going through a horrible, horrible time because of lockdown.
We are way past the point where the young have sacrificed enough for the old in this matter. Way past the point. So far past it its untrue.0 -
LOL!BannedinnParis said:One in a series of headers
THE TORIES BIGGEST CHALLENGE AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION: BROWN ISN’T BLAIR
THE TORIES BIGGEST CHALLENGE AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION: MILIBAND ISN’T BROWN
THE TORIES BIGGEST CHALLENGE AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION: CORBYN ISN’T MILIBAND1 -
Which is why we have for a rapid vaccination scheme. Get everyone immunised and have the economy fully reopened. No messing about with half life style reopenings with social distancing or any of that rubbish we never want to see again.contrarian said:
I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.RobD said:
The plan has never been for schools to reopen this early, has it?contrarian said:
For us, yes.Sandpit said:
Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
But look at the Johnson government. Look at what it does, not what it says. It doesn;t want to move, really. IF it did, those kids would be in school. They aren't. They can be left to rot. Even though there's a stack of good news around.
I know I am a nuisance on this but the way our young people have been treated infuriates me. I also deal with some of the young people at my place of work and they are going through a horrible, horrible time because of lockdown.
We are way past the point where the young have sacrificed enough for the old in this matter. Way past the point. So far past it its untrue.1 -
I foresaw this. It's not about asylum seekers - there are not very many of those....RobD said:
People are suggesting asylum seekers should be exempt from quarantine? Perhaps they don't pay, but they should still have to do it.Pulpstar said:Hancock seems to have got pelters from the left over having the temerity to suggest asylum seekers from red zone countries should be quarantineds then sent back and flak from the right over liking lockdown too much.
Personally I think he's doing a good job now.
Quarantine on entry will require
- Control over entry. No more waving people through etc.
- Stopping illegal immigration via all the interesting routes.
- Impose massive costs on entry
So illegal immigration and low skill/wage immigration will be shutdown completely, if the policy enforced.0 -
It's all quite alliumentary really: most people will be cepable of mastering the basics.IshmaelZ said:
You plainly know your onions.BluestBlue said:
The true identity of SAGE will only be revealed when the thyme is right.Philip_Thompson said:
You're paranoid delusional.contrarian said:NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.
The idea that there is a nefarious cabal of evil scientists cackling at how they can keep you locked up at home; evil scientists determined to punish ordinary Brits by making them be paid to be at home watching Netflix instead of going to work; evil SAGE ...
SAGE really aren't SPECTRE.0 -
I am 100% support but I fear our government and their advisors are not.MaxPB said:
Which is why we have for a rapid vaccination scheme. Get everyone immunised and have the economy fully reopened. No messing about with half life style reopenings with social distancing or any of that rubbish we never want to see again.contrarian said:
I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.RobD said:
The plan has never been for schools to reopen this early, has it?contrarian said:
For us, yes.Sandpit said:
Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
But look at the Johnson government. Look at what it does, not what it says. It doesn;t want to move, really. IF it did, those kids would be in school. They aren't. They can be left to rot. Even though there's a stack of good news around.
I know I am a nuisance on this but the way our young people have been treated infuriates me. I also deal with some of the young people at my place of work and they are going through a horrible, horrible time because of lockdown.
We are way past the point where the young have sacrificed enough for the old in this matter. Way past the point. So far past it its untrue.0 -
You think the government are enjoying a pandemic, really?contrarian said:
For us, yes.Sandpit said:
Err, what? Cases can’t possibly fall too fast. None at all would be best, starting tomorrow.contrarian said:
In some respects those cases are falling too fast for Johnson's government.NerysHughes said:12,364 cases, the big downward trend continues
But look at the Johnson government. Look at what it does, not what it says. It doesn;t want to move, really. IF it did, those kids would be in school. They aren't. They can be left to rot. Even though there's a stack of good news around.
They’ve put an awful lot of effort into the vaccine response, for people who like pandemics.
They’re also borrowing tens of billions a month to prop up the economy, money which will have at some point to be paid back with interest.4
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