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How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.0
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ParetoMalmesbury said:
We are also vaccinating massively across categories.Foxy said:
I don't think that we can yet separate a vaccine effect from a post Christmas lockdown effect, though I would expect such an effect to show by the end of the month.MaxPB said:
I think given our strategy it would show up in the hospitalisation rate rather than the case data, from my own analysis I think the hospitalisation data is more favourable this time for targeted groups than in the last lockdown when one takes into account the Kent variant.Foxy said:
It is noticeable that the break point in Israel is 4-5 weeks post first injection, or 1-2 post the second.rottenborough said:
I wouldn't expect to see a vaccination effect for another couple of weeks.
Case numbers in the first wavevwere too poor in terms of test access to be reliable.
So, in England, in the process of getting the first dose to
- 88% of the over 80s
- 83% of the 75-79s
We have also
- 35% of the 70-74s
- 8% of the under 70s - over 3 million people
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England's play was garbage yet they're only 2 pts behind lol1
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Yes, the cases of India and Scotland really aren’t that similar.DavidL said:
Major beneficiary, Coats Paton and Baldwin of Paisley. Just saying.Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
Which is not to deny the existence of grievances,0 -
Just remember Scotland's performance at Twickenham from just two years ago.Alistair said:How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.
It'll be fine.1 -
No.Fishing said:
In other words our sin was providing them with cheap clothes they wanted to buy?Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
Which is why I provided, and you cut out, the counter example of Japan.0 -
So India didn't have a deficit either then. Maybe not the best argument on that poster?Theuniondivvie said:
Deficits result from the choices of sovereign governments. Scotland doesn't have a deficit.HYUFD said:
Scotland has a deficit of 8.6%, the UK has a deficit of 2.5%.malcolmg said:
Yes highland clearances and your colonial preferences that we must stay as a colony are really offensive. The 45 trillion is using some compound interest rate but it does highlight that whilst denuding India of huge wealth , England claimed they were in deficit. This is exactly the same position as Scotland. They also impoverished Scotland since the union and are denying us a democratic vote as they did in India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
Your stupid remark at the end is pretty pathetic and juvenile. Perhaps you should stick to topics you know at least something about.
The UK government subsidises the Scottish deficit
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/union-dividend-of-1941-for-every-person-in-scotland#:~:text=As a percentage of Scotland's,less than 3% of GDP.1 -
Plus of course it was Scotland who asked to create a Union after the failure of the Darien scheme and the British Empire only developed with Scotland a full part of that Union. Most of the North American colonies, all of the African colonies, Australia, New Zealand and India and the Asian colonies were all colonised by the UK not England and of course Ireland too joined the Union after Scotland with Scots playing a full part as Empire civil servants, political leaders, administrators, soldiers, engineers, traders etcNigelb said:
Yes, the cases of India and Scotland really aren’t that similar.DavidL said:
Major beneficiary, Coats Paton and Baldwin of Paisley. Just saying.Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
Which is not to deny the existence of grievances,0 -
One of the things I most enjoyed as a child was heading over to Taunton on a Sunday to watch the John Player League and a team that contained Viv Richards, Joel Garner, and Ian Botham. I think it's a shame in many ways that the international squad don't seem to play for their counties any more.FrancisUrquhart said:5 -
Big Bird!Fysics_Teacher said:
One of the things I most enjoyed as a child was heading over to Taunton on a Sunday to watch the John Player League and a team that contained Viv Richards, Joel Garner, and Ian Botham. I think it's a shame in many ways that the international squad don't seem to play for their counties any more.FrancisUrquhart said:1 -
Always one to under promise and over deliver...TheScreamingEagles said:
My solution is very elegant, although I fear I will upset some.Time_to_Leave said:
It’s easy. If the Scots get independence than as penance they must take NI with them. England and Wales then just sit back and count their money.TheScreamingEagles said:
My thread tomorrow afternoon is about the island of Ireland, I have some suggestions to soothe wounds.Theuniondivvie said:
Priti's the woman to sooth any remaining wounds.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thanks for a bit of honest context.Theuniondivvie said:
The ethnic cleansing of Highland culture after 1746, the Tranent Massacre which is comparable with that of Peterloo though nothing like as well known, the Highland Potato famine following on from that of Ireland which added to the hundreds of thousands of able bodied, young Scots who had to emigrate to make a living for themselves, the Highland Clearances contributing to same.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
All Union dividends I'm sure.
Ireland's treatment by the UK in terms of massacres and famine is of course directly comparable to India's experience.
One of the great mysteries of our time how forgiving the Irish are towards the British.
Whenever you thought Britain couldn't sink any lower in Ireland we somehow managed it.
That said, the opening line to my piece is brilliant.0 -
After winning independence from Mexico in 1836, Texas was an independent Republic until 1845 when it joined the USA, though of course the last time states, including Texas, tried to secede from the Union in 1861 it did not end well for themTheuniondivvie said:
Have you popped up on Texan secessionist forums to tell them about Quebec and Catalonia?HYUFD said:
It is certainly leading to a surge in secessionist sentiment in Trump voting Texas, Georgia voted for Biden so is not a valid comparison if England voted Tory but the UK voted Labour and SNPGallowgate said:
@HYUFD also assured us that Biden winning would lead to a surge of Georgian Republican sentiment to ensure the Dems didn't hold the Senate. Remember that?kinabalu said:
I won't argue with that. There is a surge in English Nationalism now and I'm sure it could easily go up another gear or two. But one hopes not.HYUFD said:
If however the Tories win a majority in England in 2024 but there is a hung parliament across the UK and Starmer becomes PM thanks to the support of the SNP and Welsh Labour MPs, as is very possible on some current polls, there will be a surge in English nationalism.kinabalu said:
There are micro areas of valid English grievance but the macro - the big picture - is nevertheless that Westminster rules the UK and England dominates Westminster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Irish2, if it makes you feel better, it's started to ease at last.
The river running outside my house has become a little less powerful.
Mr. kinabalu, aye, and yet MPs representing Scottish constituencies can vote on English and Welsh taxes, which can then be amended in Scotland by MSPs.
That surge will grow even further if Starmer gives Scotland's Parliament devomax, as he probably would but does not do anything about the West Lothian question
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession0 -
Even if that's true, there's no reason to suppose that India would have been like Japan rather than like, say, civil war-prone China.Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
Counterfactuals are always pretty meaningless, but in this case especially so.0 -
I remember that time and that team very well.Fysics_Teacher said:
One of the things I most enjoyed as a child was heading over to Taunton on a Sunday to watch the John Player League and a team that contained Viv Richards, Joel Garner, and Ian Botham. I think it's a shame in many ways that the international squad don't seem to play for their counties any more.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was a keen Essex follower at the time but had a liking for Somerset too, partly because of those three players but also because, like Essex they seemed destined not to win any trophies. That changed at Essex, but Somerset continued to miss out.
I often wondered what went wrong at the Club. Recently I bought and read Vic Marks' book Original Spin, which went some way to explaining it all.
Have you tried it?0 -
Is this a sign that The Spectator will be supporting the Lib Dems at the next election?TheScreamingEagles said:Ok, I'll give Private Eye this one.
https://twitter.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/13580319905960058911 -
But we didn't.AnneJGP said:
I rarely, if ever, comment on independence threads, because they are so 'political' (forgive me) and rarely really about how people instinctively see themselves and others. Also, I'm not good at explaining myself. But, just this once, I'll try. (Cue new thread.)Gallowgate said:
Of course I'm aware of all that. But is it settled in the minds of Scots? Maybe a permanent and irrevocable (because in theory the Scotland Act could be amended by a simple majority of English MPs) ceding of power to Holyrood would be just the kind of real action, rather than simple window dressing, that recognises Scotland's status as a sovereign equal to England?
I don't know. But tinkering like holding the odd of a cabinet meeting in Edinburgh is unlikely to change hearts and minds. I don't know what will.
To my mind, what would create the unbridgeable gulf between our nations is when, at times of tragedy or undue hardship, a majority of its people see the rest of us as Them/There rather than Us/Here. Not Othering in the ordinary sense, and not lack of compassion for those suffering wherever they are in the world. Just a sense of where are the boundaries of home for you.
And I'm not talking about trivial political spats between France/UK or UK/EU, but really big events.
When there's wildfire outbreaks in Australia or hurricanes in the US my heart goes out to the people affected; to 'them/there'.
When the Coronavirus outbreak first started in China, I was appalled for 'them/there', and perceived it rapidly coming closer to 'us/here'.
At the time of Aberfan, I perceived that as happening to 'us/here'.
During the troubles in NI, I perceived that as happening to 'us/here'.
At the time of Dunblane, I perceived that as happening to 'us/here'.
At the time of the Salisbury novichok attack, I perceived that as happening to 'us/here'.
So, for example, if a majority of Scots did indeed perceive the novichok attack as happening to 'them/there' and not to 'us/here', it's time to go our separate ways.
Sorry if this is garbled beyond deciphering.0 -
But how dominant was the gang leader - England?HYUFD said:
Plus of course it was Scotland who asked to create a Union after the failure of the Darien scheme and the British Empire only developed with Scotland a full part of that Union. Most of the North American colonies, all of the African colonies, Australia, New Zealand and India and the Asian colonies were all colonised by the UK not England and of course Ireland too joined the Union after Scotland with Scots playing a full part as Empire civil servants, political leaders, administrators, soldiers, engineers, traders etcNigelb said:
Yes, the cases of India and Scotland really aren’t that similar.DavidL said:
Major beneficiary, Coats Paton and Baldwin of Paisley. Just saying.Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
Which is not to deny the existence of grievances,
If the crime went to court would the CPS be going for "joint enterprise"?0 -
Great performance from Scotland here. Cruising to victory
England just lamentable0 -
Peter Roebuck went wrong.Peter_the_Punter said:
I remember that time and that team very well.Fysics_Teacher said:
One of the things I most enjoyed as a child was heading over to Taunton on a Sunday to watch the John Player League and a team that contained Viv Richards, Joel Garner, and Ian Botham. I think it's a shame in many ways that the international squad don't seem to play for their counties any more.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was a keen Essex follower at the time but had a liking for Somerset too, partly because of those three players but also because, like Essex they seemed destined not to win any trophies. That changed at Essex, but Somerset continued to miss out.
I often wondered what went wrong at the Club. Recently I bought and read Vic Marks' book Original Spin, which went some way to explaining it all.
Have you tried it?
A genuinely tragic man.
Met him as a student, even more than a decade on from the sacking of Garner & Richards he carried a certain amount of bitterness and absolute certainty he did the right thing.0 -
Satisfactory lack of headless chicken mode so far though.Alistair said:How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.
From Scotland that is.
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We'll concede that would be once in a generation....TheScreamingEagles said:Now this is going to be a genuine once in a generation opportunity for Scotland.
Scotland winning in Twickenham for the first time in 38 years.5 -
Every nation of the Union played its part, though I don't consider the British empire a crime either, it had a mixed record but it was not the Nazi Empire or the Belgian Empire either.kinabalu said:
But how dominant was the gang leader - England?HYUFD said:
Plus of course it was Scotland who asked to create a Union after the failure of the Darien scheme and the British Empire only developed with Scotland a full part of that Union. Most of the North American colonies, all of the African colonies, Australia, New Zealand and India and the Asian colonies were all colonised by the UK not England and of course Ireland too joined the Union after Scotland with Scots playing a full part as Empire civil servants, political leaders, administrators, soldiers, engineers, traders etcNigelb said:
Yes, the cases of India and Scotland really aren’t that similar.DavidL said:
Major beneficiary, Coats Paton and Baldwin of Paisley. Just saying.Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
Which is not to deny the existence of grievances,
If the crime went to court would the CPS be going for "joint enterprise"?0 -
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England are absolute toilet.1
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You're going to win. Scotland are vastly superior: quicker, smarter, hungrier, everything. A cheeky Grand Slam perhaps?Theuniondivvie said:
Satisfactory lack of headless chicken mode so far though.Alistair said:How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.
From Scotland that is.0 -
This is a seriously massive kick.
Feck. Still less than a converted try ahead.0 -
This is what happens when you let a bloody colonial coach England.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
Make England Great Again and get Priti Patel to deport Eddie Jones.0 -
Scotland will win because England have no frame and are terrified of losing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just remember Scotland's performance at Twickenham from just two years ago.Alistair said:How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.
It'll be fine.
So they'll lose.0 -
No with kicking like that 🙁Leon said:
You're going to win. Scotland are vastly superior: quicker, smarter, hungrier, everything. A cheeky Grand Slam perhaps?Theuniondivvie said:
Satisfactory lack of headless chicken mode so far though.Alistair said:How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.
From Scotland that is.
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Don't worry those missed five points won't matter at the end.DavidL said:This is a seriously massive kick.
Feck. Still less than a converted try ahead.0 -
I haven't seen them play this bad in years. That said, all credit to Scotland - they're so good they've totally rattled England.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
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This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.0
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We need to get 2 scores ahead and then we can start to play the clock.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't worry those missed five points won't matter at the end.DavidL said:This is a seriously massive kick.
Feck. Still less than a converted try ahead.0 -
In normal times (not in lockdown) I wonder if this sort of win would have political implications in a year like this.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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*polishes up yet another Indy ref II metaphor*Casino_Royale said:
Scotland will win because England have no frame and are terrified of losing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just remember Scotland's performance at Twickenham from just two years ago.Alistair said:How can I be so depressed with a 2 point lead at half time at Twickenham.
It'll be fine.
So they'll lose.
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That's why it'll be funny when we win.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
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Scotland could beat the All Blacks in this mood0
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It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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Though, when you look at the polling 🤣 Biden is more popular than the Republicans in Texas.HYUFD said:
It is certainly leading to a surge in secessionist sentiment in Trump voting Texas, Georgia voted for Biden so is not a valid comparison if England voted Tory but the UK voted Labour and SNP and that then led to a surge in English nationalist sentiment.Gallowgate said:
@HYUFD also assured us that Biden winning would lead to a surge of Georgian Republican sentiment to ensure the Dems didn't hold the Senate. Remember that?kinabalu said:
I won't argue with that. There is a surge in English Nationalism now and I'm sure it could easily go up another gear or two. But one hopes not.HYUFD said:
If however the Tories win a majority in England in 2024 but there is a hung parliament across the UK and Starmer becomes PM thanks to the support of the SNP and Welsh Labour MPs, as is very possible on some current polls, there will be a surge in English nationalism.kinabalu said:
There are micro areas of valid English grievance but the macro - the big picture - is nevertheless that Westminster rules the UK and England dominates Westminster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Irish2, if it makes you feel better, it's started to ease at last.
The river running outside my house has become a little less powerful.
Mr. kinabalu, aye, and yet MPs representing Scottish constituencies can vote on English and Welsh taxes, which can then be amended in Scotland by MSPs.
That surge will grow even further if Starmer gives Scotland's Parliament devomax, as he probably would but does not do anything about the West Lothian question
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession
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Gettysburg and Vicksburg would be more relevant to that debate: the US don't mess about when it comes to secession.Theuniondivvie said:
Have you popped up on Texan secessionist forums to tell them about Quebec and Catalonia?HYUFD said:
It is certainly leading to a surge in secessionist sentiment in Trump voting Texas, Georgia voted for Biden so is not a valid comparison if England voted Tory but the UK voted Labour and SNPGallowgate said:
@HYUFD also assured us that Biden winning would lead to a surge of Georgian Republican sentiment to ensure the Dems didn't hold the Senate. Remember that?kinabalu said:
I won't argue with that. There is a surge in English Nationalism now and I'm sure it could easily go up another gear or two. But one hopes not.HYUFD said:
If however the Tories win a majority in England in 2024 but there is a hung parliament across the UK and Starmer becomes PM thanks to the support of the SNP and Welsh Labour MPs, as is very possible on some current polls, there will be a surge in English nationalism.kinabalu said:
There are micro areas of valid English grievance but the macro - the big picture - is nevertheless that Westminster rules the UK and England dominates Westminster.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Irish2, if it makes you feel better, it's started to ease at last.
The river running outside my house has become a little less powerful.
Mr. kinabalu, aye, and yet MPs representing Scottish constituencies can vote on English and Welsh taxes, which can then be amended in Scotland by MSPs.
That surge will grow even further if Starmer gives Scotland's Parliament devomax, as he probably would but does not do anything about the West Lothian question
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession0 -
Isn't it just we haven't played in ages, whereas Scotland have?TheScreamingEagles said:
This is what happens when you let a bloody colonial coach England.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
Make England Great Again and get Priti Patel to deport Eddie Jones.
Some of our team is a bit raw too.0 -
Credit to Scotland - they’ve made England look very poor.squareroot2 said:0 -
Just as well you have moved on to flint dildos and away from writing.Leon said:
I haven't seen them play this bad in years. That said, all credit to Scotland - they're so good they've totally rattled England.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
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You must be really pissed.Leon said:Scotland could beat the All Blacks in this mood
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I’d recommend reading his book, it’s very good.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is what happens when you let a bloody colonial coach England.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
Make England Great Again and get Priti Patel to deport Eddie Jones.0 -
There’s no way Liverpool would have gone down 1-0 to Brighton, if there had been 50,000 reds packed into Anfield the other night.DavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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Seeing him come in to bowl at some luckless county tail-ender who needed to score eight off the last over was always a joy.TimT said:
Big Bird!Fysics_Teacher said:
One of the things I most enjoyed as a child was heading over to Taunton on a Sunday to watch the John Player League and a team that contained Viv Richards, Joel Garner, and Ian Botham. I think it's a shame in many ways that the international squad don't seem to play for their counties any more.FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
This is a superb Scotland performance. They've been threatening to be Really Good for a year or two. Here it isTheScreamingEagles said:
You must be really pissed.Leon said:Scotland could beat the All Blacks in this mood
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Zero line breaks by England.0
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Tricky in the Tropics.Pagan2 said:
Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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I'm not much of a one for sports books, but it sounds like one I should get for my brother, who is.Peter_the_Punter said:
I remember that time and that team very well.Fysics_Teacher said:
One of the things I most enjoyed as a child was heading over to Taunton on a Sunday to watch the John Player League and a team that contained Viv Richards, Joel Garner, and Ian Botham. I think it's a shame in many ways that the international squad don't seem to play for their counties any more.FrancisUrquhart said:
I was a keen Essex follower at the time but had a liking for Somerset too, partly because of those three players but also because, like Essex they seemed destined not to win any trophies. That changed at Essex, but Somerset continued to miss out.
I often wondered what went wrong at the Club. Recently I bought and read Vic Marks' book Original Spin, which went some way to explaining it all.
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Yes, I don’t think it’s possible to argue that what transpired there was in accordance with the rules. The normal chair remains entitled to chair an extraordinary meeting, even one that he (or she) does not call. Green’s so-called legal opinion ignores the rules and the law and concentrates on the practical realities.kle4 said:
Quite odd for a clerk to have that level of authority in standing orders it seem, usually the Chair would throw people out (which does make it hard when the Chair is being abusive), but did they then specify who actually presides?Nigelb said:
From what I can understand, he had been avoiding holding council meetings, and this was an emergency meeting called (in accordance with standing orders) by two other councillors.rcs1000 said:
Agreed, he should not have been kicked off. He was the elected Chair. Now, other councillors could presumably call for a vote on replacing him, but it was not appropriate for him to be kicked out by an unelected official, no matter how much of a cock he was being.Time_to_Leave said:
I was left on the side of the Chair. He’s a cock, but he’s an elected cock and most likely right that he’s in the Chair. I was very disappointed yesterday to discover that the TORs and standing orders has gone from the Council website. I wanted to have a dig into it and find out for sure.TimT said:
I’m that anal.
The acting clerk was quite in order to throw out abusive participants (also in accordance with standing orders). They were offered readmittance if they behaved, but did not take up the offer.
The rules don’t really cater for a situation when the chair is disruptive (but then it appears that he was disruptive largely because he had been illegitimately ejected from the chair). In such a situation you’d expect the members of the committee to propose and vote through some procedural motion to deal with the matter; if on the other hand the chair retains the support of a majority of members, then those members in a minority are going to struggle to get a hearing.0 -
England are just lethargic.turbotubbs said:
Credit to Scotland - they’ve made England look very poor.squareroot2 said:0 -
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Zombiessquareroot2 said:
England are just lethargic.turbotubbs said:
Credit to Scotland - they’ve made England look very poor.squareroot2 said:
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There are plenty of tropical countries with ice rinks I am sure, far more than those with artificial ski slopes of which there are a numberOmnium said:
Tricky in the Tropics.Pagan2 said:
Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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Well we're pretty good at that.Pagan2 said:
Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
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It would be a hell of a comeback from here.kle4 said:
That's why it'll be funny when we win.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
And I doubt it. England are like Tim Henman playing tennis when they're on the back foot.0 -
I have it on audible, haven't gotten around to listening to it, I'll rectify it this week.tlg86 said:
I’d recommend reading his book, it’s very good.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is what happens when you let a bloody colonial coach England.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
Make England Great Again and get Priti Patel to deport Eddie Jones.0 -
You know, I am starting to have reservations as to whether or not this game is compatible with Covid safe distancing. I think we should maybe call a halt. Now.0
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Gosh there is something we are good at...DavidL said:
Well we're pretty good at that.Pagan2 said:
Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
What a kick.
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England are playing a boring kicking game. And what's worse, their kicking is shite1
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Yes, but these are hardly equal-opportunities ski-slopes and curling establishments.Pagan2 said:
There are plenty of tropical countries with ice rinks I am sure, far more than those with artificial ski slopes of which there are a numberOmnium said:
Tricky in the Tropics.Pagan2 said:
Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
I could be wrong. I have no direct knowledge of these places.0 -
Watching this does remind me of OJ:made in America. That guy would have been one hell of a rugby player. Watching him run with the ball was just...mesmerizing.0
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One try and conversion. We needed the penalty, we really did.Casino_Royale said:
It would be a hell of a comeback from here.kle4 said:
That's why it'll be funny when we win.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
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Norman Lamb on the BBC making the point that the leaked NHS England reforms (no longer having to go out to private contractors for tenders) is only because we've left the EU & their competition rules.....0
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I was more taking a somewhat chuckling side swipe at the comment from a few days ago that the site had a gender imbalance and that might be partially due to the sports drool that occasionally erupts here. I like sport and when younger took part in a fair amount. However watching it always felt to me like I would rather go watch paint dry than watch cricket, rugby, tennis,F1, football. Apparently a lot of females in that demographic tooOmnium said:
Yes, but these are hardly equal-opportunities ski-slopes and curling establishments.Pagan2 said:
There are plenty of tropical countries with ice rinks I am sure, far more than those with artificial ski slopes of which there are a numberOmnium said:
Tricky in the Tropics.Pagan2 said:
Hmm should sport discussion be restricted maybe to those sports of equal interest to all races and genders? Curling maybeDavidL said:
It's been weird in the EPL this season. Knowing the stadium, angles etc seems to make little difference. Not having the crowd: massive. United still get their share of penalties though.Sandpit said:This is what happens to the home advantage, when there’s no crowd in the stadium.
I could be wrong. I have no direct knowledge of these places.0 -
Not. Even. Close. How many chances?0
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I might switch to Zulu Dawn.
I mean, if I'm going to watch a total and utterly crushing defeat.1 -
Winning a tight match is much satisfying than an easy victory, so the Scottish kicker is thinking of the greater good.DavidL said:Not. Even. Close. How many chances?
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If it keeps raining, can we call this woeful England team the Brown Shirts?0
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I thought that was what the labour 2019 election results were for?Casino_Royale said:I might switch to Zulu Dawn.
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Scotland absolutely deserve to win. We have been by far the better team for 75 minutes now. I am not relaxed.Leon said:
You're gonna win. Relax. And much deservedDavidL said:Watching this does remind me of OJ:made in America. That guy would have been one hell of a rugby player. Watching him run with the ball was just...mesmerizing.
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Totally deserved. And relax. I know a losing England team and this is oneDavidL said:
Scotland absolutely deserve to win. We have been by far the better team for 75 minutes now. I am not relaxed.Leon said:
You're gonna win. Relax. And much deservedDavidL said:Watching this does remind me of OJ:made in America. That guy would have been one hell of a rugby player. Watching him run with the ball was just...mesmerizing.
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What a muppet.0
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From a Rugby League family. Not got the class of those from the playing fields of Eton?Omnium said:
I have this irrational hatred of Farrell - I've no idea why. Anyway I'd like to see the back of him. He's almost certainly a great chap. I can't really cheer England on though.Leon said:England are playing a boring kicking game. And what's worse, their kicking is shite
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This chart has convinced me we should outlaw unions, thank God Mrs Thatcher smashed the unions.
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Hang on, the "widows on pyres" thing was a very effective way of avoiding an inverted population pyramid. Are we sure we did the right thing there?HYUFD said:
Plus of course bringing Westminster style democracy, common law, railways and stopping widows being thrown on funeral pyres, it was not all badFishing said:
In other words our sin was providing them with cheap clothes they wanted to buy?Nigelb said:.
The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade.rcs1000 said:
The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?malcolmg said:How very apt
Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.
Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.
Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?
Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.
Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.
That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.0 -
Brilliant. That was heroic.0
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Well, that was a waste of two hours.0
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The playing fields of Eton are mostly for football rather than Rugby (or at least were the last time I was in charge of a visiting team there, which was about twenty years ago now).Mexicanpete said:
From a Rugby League family. Not got the class of those from the playing fields of Eton?Omnium said:
I have this irrational hatred of Farrell - I've no idea why. Anyway I'd like to see the back of him. He's almost certainly a great chap. I can't really cheer England on though.Leon said:England are playing a boring kicking game. And what's worse, their kicking is shite
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I moved to Edinburgh with my wife in 1996. The deal was that we would both (and subsequent children too) support England AND Scotland unless they were playing each other, in which case I should expect to be on my own. Readers, she (and they) all reneged on the deal. The mood in my house is currently rampant tartan. And fair enough.2
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I'm just glad we only lost by 5. We should have lost by 25. Total hiding0
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No, no - I'm pure peasant. (Admittedly Cambridge thereafter)Mexicanpete said:
From a Rugby League family. Not got the class of those from the playing fields of Eton?Omnium said:
I have this irrational hatred of Farrell - I've no idea why. Anyway I'd like to see the back of him. He's almost certainly a great chap. I can't really cheer England on though.Leon said:England are playing a boring kicking game. And what's worse, their kicking is shite
Well done Scotland anyway.
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Shoulda had Swing Low on the fake crowd noise.2
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Scoreline didn't really match the match tbh.0
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What do we pay these ogres masquerading as human beings for if they cannot even win at Twickenham?1
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Prince Edward, BJ, Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, Katie Hopkins, your boys took a hell of a beating.0
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It does make you wonder, as David says, how much difference a REAL crowd makes to a match. I saw some Welsh rugby geek say, the other day, that home advantage for Wales in Cardiff meant they started 10 points ahead. But that is with a crowd, of course.Theuniondivvie said:Shoulda had Swing Low on the fake crowd noise.
However. Scotland were so good then, and England so bad, I don't think ten millions fans in Twickers could have made a difference
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Have you been watching a rerun of F1?Sandpit said:Well, that was a waste of two hours.
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Could someone please delete this? I can't have that hang over me.kle4 said:
That's why it'll be funny when we win.Casino_Royale said:England are absolute toilet.
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