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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107

    Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?

    Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.

    Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.

    Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?

    Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
    Yes highland clearances and your colonial preferences that we must stay as a colony are really offensive. The 45 trillion is using some compound interest rate but it does highlight that whilst denuding India of huge wealth , England claimed they were in deficit. This is exactly the same position as Scotland. They also impoverished Scotland since the union and are denying us a democratic vote as they did in India.
    Your stupid remark at the end is pretty pathetic and juvenile. Perhaps you should stick to topics you know at least something about.
  • malcolmg said:

    Only if you believe the lies of the Tories and other Westminster lickspittles.
    Oh, I see malc already said it...
  • TimT said:

    Synthetic biology as a whole, not just biologics and vaccines. If we can shake off the visceral dislike of 'GMO' and understand how synthetic biology can be very eco-friendly, I think the UK is in a great position to be in the leading pack with US and China in what will be a bigger tech revolution than IT.
    Hadn’t really though about it before, but we’ve gone to great lengths to avoid anyone in any way saying the vaccines are “genetically modified” haven’t we. We can just do that - use different words.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    IshmaelZ said:

    Read the rules. Read them and understand them.
    I think you mean:

    READ THE RULES. READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107

    tHaT'S whAT tHEy wANT YOU TO ThINK !!!!!
    You pie eyed or something
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    Beat you by seconds - :smile:
    I have cut you out of this thread and placed you in a virtual waiting room.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,553
    edited February 2021
    I am trying to decide which is worse, CH4 coverage of the cricket or ITV coverage of rugby?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    Newcastle down to 9 men against Southampton.
    Currently leading 3-2.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    kle4 said:
    As BigG said.

    Drakeford doing a brilliant job.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,698
    All this talk of May, we should be through to the end of Group 9 before the end of March. Unless there is a supply squeeze coming up. Is there something we are not being told?.

    Hopefully I can be fully vaccinated by the solstice, and be able to venture out to a pub in July.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    edited February 2021
    DavidL said:

    This is genuinely delusional Malcolm. The level of dependency at present is a fact. Of course 20 years ago when the money was pouring in from the north sea it was the other way around but so what?

    What we need to do is address why this dependency has come into existence and what we can do about it. There is no question that the success of London sucks money and talent not just from Scotland but from every other part of the UK. That is the price you pay for having an incredibly successful international city. How do we start to create a viable Scottish economy. I have made some suggestions to @Theuniondivvie but no doubt there are many more possibilities. Pretending that the current deficits do not exist is not one of the solutions.
    David, You cannot have it that they took a surplus off us for 40 years and spaffed it up the wall and now complain we are in a temporary deficit. Any normal country has ups and downs and over the last 40 years we have run a surplus and been robbed. We now have these clowns pretending they pay all our bills, especially the deluded halfwits that post here. England has been in deficit for 40 years , we kept them afloat and they treat us like crap, facts are facts.
    PS: Borrowing is a standard practice for any country and if independent we would not be in the state we are in , UK spend all the money and borrow all the money. They will be in the crap when they can no longer pretend they borrow it for Scotland.
  • malcolmg said:

    Yes highland clearances and your colonial preferences that we must stay as a colony are really offensive. The 45 trillion is using some compound interest rate but it does highlight that whilst denuding India of huge wealth , England claimed they were in deficit. This is exactly the same position as Scotland. They also impoverished Scotland since the union and are denying us a democratic vote as they did in India.
    Your stupid remark at the end is pretty pathetic and juvenile. Perhaps you should stick to topics you know at least something about.
    Malcolm, I'm well versed in British rule of India.

    But Scotland was given a democratic vote, unlike India ever was so your comparison is as rubbish as your usual output.

    So how many people died because of the Highland clearances, I guess it will be as 'substantial' as your explanation of the 45 trillion figure.
  • malcolmg said:

    Scotch expert then
    Speyside and Highland malts are best. Or English, Welsh, Japanese and Swedish after you piss off and we needn’t bother protecting the term in any way.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797
    .

    That's because, as with most things, the trans debate is inseparable from issues of power. Men, to the extent that they devote any thought to the matter (i.e. almost never,) don't view F to M transsexuals as a threat to their rights, safety or identity...
    In the abstract, perhaps. But in the real world, given the numbers for assaults on trans men, that seems a little unlikely.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825
    IshmaelZ said:

    I have cut you out of this thread and placed you in a virtual waiting room.
    Oh c'mon. Stop trying to be whatever you're trying to be, you are not running this thread, you have no authority here, you are a clerk, so be a clerk.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,681

    Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?

    Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.

    Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.

    Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?

    Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
    Is this extant? Or was it one of the waves of bollocks sent out by the Yes campaign for the 2014 referendum?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    Foxy said:

    I don't think that we can yet separate a vaccine effect from a post Christmas lockdown effect, though I would expect such an effect to show by the end of the month.

    Case numbers in the first wavevwere too poor in terms of test access to be reliable.
    We are also vaccinating massively across categories.

    So, in England, in the process of getting the first dose to

    - 88% of the over 80s
    - 83% of the 75-79s

    We have also

    - 35% of the 70-74s
    - 8% of the under 70s - over 3 million people
  • I am trying to decide which is worse, CH4 coverage of the cricket or ITV coverage of rugby?

    In C4's defence, they only agreed the deal with less than 48 hours notice.
  • TimT said:

    I think you mean:

    READ THE RULES. READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM.
    I was left on the side of the Chair. He’s a cock, but he’s an elected cock and most likely right that he’s in the Chair. I was very disappointed yesterday to discover that the TORs and standing orders has gone from the Council website. I wanted to have a dig into it and find out for sure.

    I’m that anal.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    They’ve never needed much of an excuse to print *that* picture!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,678

    Yep, I blow hot and cold about the Eye but I actually think that being grumpy reactionaries adds punch to their undoubtedly valuable filleting of various governments and the great and the good. They could probably do with looking at the mote in their own eye a bit more frequently, Hislop seems quite comfy in his nook in the establishment.
    I suppose I'm seeing it as a (semi-former) professional politician - again and again I found them factually misleading with obvious selection of data to suit whatever line they were pushing. Combined with their general "all politicians are crap" approach it was irritating - you don't mind being told you're wrong with a decent argument, and even if it's an abusive constituent you can listen for the genuine motivations, but the Eye just seemed to approach every political story on the basis of:

    1. Any politician is a lying bastard.
    2. Let's pick some facts to make it look like that's true.

    And yes, they never struck me as really victimised angry people marginalised by society, just a few people making money out of exploiting cynicism. As you both say, that doesn't mean they aren't sometimes right, and we do need muckrakers, but they're so often wrong/unfair that it dilutes the effect.
  • In Lancashire old habits die hard. A couple of sheep taken into a pub lock in.
    https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/police-raid-lancashire-speakeasy-find-19784429
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,431

    Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?

    Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.

    Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.

    Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?

    Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
    The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.

    They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.

    Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.

    That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
  • I can never get over the fact that the Scots haven't won at Twickenham since 1983, are Scottish men eunuchs or something?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107

    Malcolm, I'm well versed in British rule of India.

    But Scotland was given a democratic vote, unlike India ever was so your comparison is as rubbish as your usual output.

    So how many people died because of the Highland clearances, I guess it will be as 'substantial' as your explanation of the 45 trillion figure.
    YOU only prove my point. They made a real pig's ear of India , robbed them of all their wealth , murdered shed loads and left them in the lurch at a minutes notice. They have form , many more instances than India to consider, we are just the last in a long line of colonies.
  • Meanwhile, back at the ranch . . .

    The 435th and final US House seat from the 2020 election has finally been decided, in New York State's 22nd congressional district. NY state judge has ordered counties to certify final returns that make Republican Claudia Tenney, a one-term former congresswoman, the winner over Democratic incumbent Anthony Brindisi, who narrowly defeated her in 2018, by margin of 109 votes.

    This after judicial review of the election revealed numerous errors, such as over 2k requests for absentee ballots never processed by one county, pile of uncounted ballots in another, and a missing sticky not in a third.

    Brindisi's lawyers challenged the judge's decision to certify Tenney the winner in court, and are appealing to NY appeals court and (no doubt) to US House. However, as practical matter seems certain that she will be seated pending developments.

    So current US House consists of:
    > Democrats 221
    > Republicans 211 + Tenney = 212
    > Vacant 2

    Note that both of the current vacancies are in Louisiana, with special elections scheduled for March 20
    > LD CD 02 where Democrat Cedric Richmond resigned in January to accept position in Biden administration; this seat is New Orleans plus some nearby suburbs (and marshes) and should stay Democratic.
    > LA CD 05 where Republican congressman-elect Luke Letlow won December runoff election but died of COVID before taking office; should remain safe for the GOP (in December runoff both candidates were Republicans).

    Further note that there are two more impending US House vacancies, assuming that the incumbent Democrats are confirmed as members of Joe Biden's cabinet; both of these seats should be retained by Democrats when special elections are held.
    > NM CD 01 (northern NM including Santa Fe) currently held by Deb Haalund
    > OH CD 11 (east side of Cleveland) currently represented by Marcia Fudge (special election will pit Black establishment against Black progressive)




  • rcs1000 said:

    The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.

    They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.

    Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.

    That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
    So only idiots believe the 45 trillion figure, no wonder MalcolmG believes it.
  • In C4's defence, they only agreed the deal with less than 48 hours notice.
    The really annoying thing is the lack of proper extended highlights. The new BBC format last summer was ok, but Sky are really good at it, and you can guarantee being able to see the overnight sessions at some convenient point during the day.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,431

    I was left on the side of the Chair. He’s a cock, but he’s an elected cock and most likely right that he’s in the Chair. I was very disappointed yesterday to discover that the TORs and standing orders has gone from the Council website. I wanted to have a dig into it and find out for sure.

    I’m that anal.
    Agreed, he should not have been kicked off. He was the elected Chair. Now, other councillors could presumably call for a vote on replacing him, but it was not appropriate for him to be kicked out by an unelected official, no matter how much of a cock he was being.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch . . .

    The 435th and final US House seat from the 2020 election has finally been decided, in New York State's 22nd congressional district. NY state judge has ordered counties to certify final returns that make Republican Claudia Tenney, a one-term former congresswoman, the winner over Democratic incumbent Anthony Brindisi, who narrowly defeated her in 2018, by margin of 109 votes.

    This after judicial review of the election revealed numerous errors, such as over 2k requests for absentee ballots never processed by one county, pile of uncounted ballots in another, and a missing sticky not in a third.

    Brindisi's lawyers challenged the judge's decision to certify Tenney the winner in court, and are appealing to NY appeals court and (no doubt) to US House. However, as practical matter seems certain that she will be seated pending developments.

    So current US House consists of:
    > Democrats 221
    > Republicans 211 + Tenney = 212
    > Vacant 2

    Note that both of the current vacancies are in Louisiana, with special elections scheduled for March 20
    > LD CD 02 where Democrat Cedric Richmond resigned in January to accept position in Biden administration; this seat is New Orleans plus some nearby suburbs (and marshes) and should stay Democratic.
    > LA CD 05 where Republican congressman-elect Luke Letlow won December runoff election but died of COVID before taking office; should remain safe for the GOP (in December runoff both candidates were Republicans).

    Further note that there are two more impending US House vacancies, assuming that the incumbent Democrats are confirmed as members of Joe Biden's cabinet; both of these seats should be retained by Democrats when special elections are held.
    > NM CD 01 (northern NM including Santa Fe) currently held by Deb Haalund
    > OH CD 11 (east side of Cleveland) currently represented by Marcia Fudge (special election will pit Black establishment against Black progressive)

    109? That's not even that close!

    Thank for always being able to provide such detail of what's going on stateside.

    German PBers will have big expectations come the Federal elections.
  • malcolmg said:

    YOU only prove my point. They made a real pig's ear of India , robbed them of all their wealth , murdered shed loads and left them in the lurch at a minutes notice. They have form , many more instances than India to consider, we are just the last in a long line of colonies.
    The Scots have no colonial history as part of the U.K. Government, Imperial Civil Service, and East India Company then? It’s all England/Wales/Ireland.

    That’s good because presumably we can claim credit for all the achievements too.
  • malcolmg said:

    YOU only prove my point. They made a real pig's ear of India , robbed them of all their wealth , murdered shed loads and left them in the lurch at a minutes notice. They have form , many more instances than India to consider, we are just the last in a long line of colonies.
    So no evidence to back up your assertions.

    Noted with thanks.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195

    The really annoying thing is the lack of proper extended highlights. The new BBC format last summer was ok, but Sky are really good at it, and you can guarantee being able to see the overnight sessions at some convenient point during the day.
    Yes, that is the most annoying aspect, especially when play starts at 4,00am.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,356
    edited February 2021

    Do you have a breakdown of that 45 trillion?

    Also it is pretty offensive to compare India and Scotland.

    Scotland had a plebiscite to leave, which they declined.

    Can you also compare anything similar to say the Bengal Famine or the Jallianwala Bagh massacre that happened in Scotland since 1707?

    Next you'll be comparing the Union to the Holocaust.
    The ethnic cleansing of Highland culture after 1746, the Tranent Massacre which is comparable with that of Peterloo though nothing like as well known, the Highland Potato famine following on from that of Ireland which added to the hundreds of thousands of able bodied, young Scots who had to emigrate to make a living for themselves, the Highland Clearances contributing to same.

    All Union dividends I'm sure.

    Ireland's treatment by the UK in terms of massacres and famine is of course directly comparable to India's experience.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited February 2021

    The really annoying thing is the lack of proper extended highlights.
    Gods, enough Handforth jokes!

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012

    So only idiots believe the 45 trillion figure, no wonder MalcolmG believes it.
    Is Scotland planning to pay their bit of it back? About 4 tn I suppose.

  • I suppose I'm seeing it as a (semi-former) professional politician - again and again I found them factually misleading with obvious selection of data to suit whatever line they were pushing. Combined with their general "all politicians are crap" approach it was irritating - you don't mind being told you're wrong with a decent argument, and even if it's an abusive constituent you can listen for the genuine motivations, but the Eye just seemed to approach every political story on the basis of:

    1. Any politician is a lying bastard.
    2. Let's pick some facts to make it look like that's true.

    And yes, they never struck me as really victimised angry people marginalised by society, just a few people making money out of exploiting cynicism. As you both say, that doesn't mean they aren't sometimes right, and we do need muckrakers, but they're so often wrong/unfair that it dilutes the effect.
    I agree. Hislop stopped punching up a long time ago. Probably round about the time HIGNFY stopped being fresh, though maybe not that long.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797
    rcs1000 said:

    Agreed, he should not have been kicked off. He was the elected Chair. Now, other councillors could presumably call for a vote on replacing him, but it was not appropriate for him to be kicked out by an unelected official, no matter how much of a cock he was being.
    From what I can understand, he had been avoiding holding council meetings, and this was an emergency meeting called (in accordance with standing orders) by two other councillors.
    The acting clerk was quite in order to throw out abusive participants (also in accordance with standing orders). They were offered readmittance if they behaved, but did not take up the offer.
  • Hope they weren't salt'n'vinegar, could be a bit..er..nippy.

    https://twitter.com/bobservant/status/1358093869150310402?s=20
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Hope they weren't salt'n'vinegar, could be a bit..er..nippy.

    https://twitter.com/bobservant/status/1358093869150310402?s=20

    I don't wish to belittle their jumble sale, but 'two figure sum'?
  • Nigelb said:

    From what I can understand, he had been avoiding holding council meetings, and this was an emergency meeting called (in accordance with standing orders) by two other councillors.
    The acting clerk was quite in order to throw out abusive participants (also in accordance with standing orders). They were offered readmittance if they behaved, but did not take up the offer.
    That’s interesting. See, this is why I’m sad enough to have wanted to read the standing orders and the ToRs. It does show the issue with VTCs for everything. Couldn’t quite happen in this way with physical meetings.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,431
    DavidL said:

    Yes, that is the most annoying aspect, especially when play starts at 4,00am.
    Here in California, it starts at a very sensible 8pm. This means that I can watch the afternoon session in bed.

    You should consider moving here.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195

    Newcastle down to 9 men against Southampton.
    Currently leading 3-2.

    Really cannot believe that Newcastle won that. Shots off the post, cleared off the line, very hard on Southampton.
  • algarkirk said:

    Is Scotland planning to pay their bit of it back? About 4 tn I suppose.

    Well given how much blood Scottish Viceroys of India have on their hand, it should be higher.

    I'm sure it will come as a shock to some that Viceroys of India weren't exclusively English.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Nigelb said:

    From what I can understand, he had been avoiding holding council meetings, and this was an emergency meeting called (in accordance with standing orders) by two other councillors.
    The acting clerk was quite in order to throw out abusive participants (also in accordance with standing orders). They were offered readmittance if they behaved, but did not take up the offer.
    Quite odd for a clerk to have that level of authority in standing orders it seem, usually the Chair would throw people out (which does make it hard when the Chair is being abusive), but did they then specify who actually presides?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,297
    In about 3 days time 25% of the adult population will have had at least one jab. Great achievement.
  • Well given how much blood Scottish Viceroys of India have on their hand, it should be higher.

    I'm sure it will come as a shock to some that Viceroys of India weren't exclusively English.
    They were exclusively British weren't they?
  • All this talk of May, we should be through to the end of Group 9 before the end of March. Unless there is a supply squeeze coming up. Is there something we are not being told?.

    Hopefully I can be fully vaccinated by the solstice, and be able to venture out to a pub in July.

    If the over 50s are vaccinated by the end of March, they won't have all acquired substantial immunity until 22 April. Hence a May target.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,688
    edited February 2021

    The ethnic cleansing of Highland culture after 1746, the Tranent Massacre which is comparable with that of Peterloo though nothing like as well known, the Highland Potato famine following on from that of Ireland which added to the hundreds of thousands of able bodied, young Scots who had to emigrate to make a living for themselves, the Highland Clearances contributing to same.

    All Union dividends I'm sure.

    Ireland's treatment by the UK in terms of massacres and famine is of course directly comparable to India's experience.

    Thanks for a bit of honest context.

    One of the great mysteries of our time how forgiving the Irish are towards the British.

    Whenever you thought Britain couldn't sink any lower in Ireland we somehow managed it.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited February 2021

    Well given how much blood Scottish Viceroys of India have on their hand, it should be higher.

    I'm sure it will come as a shock to some that Viceroys of India weren't exclusively English.
    I suppose it can be argued that the incompetence of the Darien Scheme shows that any successful Scots within the Empire were just riding on English, Welsh, and Irish coattails. That could absolve them of blame...
  • They were exclusively British weren't they?
    See David's post at 4:56.
  • Unless we get a shift on with vaccination:

    https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1358098300310847488?s=20
  • Thanks for a bit of honest context.

    One of the great mysteries of our time how forgiving the Irish are towards the British.

    Whenever you thought Britain couldn't sink any lower in Ireland we somehow managed it.
    Priti's the woman to sooth any remaining wounds.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    Here in California, it starts at a very sensible 8pm. This means that I can watch the afternoon session in bed.

    You should consider moving here.
    Here in sunny Dubai, it starts at starts at an even more sensible 8am, so I can watch the morning session in bed and the afternoon sessions at my desk.

    Please don’t all move here, they keep making the restrictions tighter as the covid cases went up with all the visitors in December and January.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    If Sharpe books have taught me anything all good British soldiers of the Imperial period were Scottish, Irish or Welsh apart from Sharpe, and the villainous officers were always English.
  • Can England rugby team mabage to go 5mins without giving away a penalty?
  • Dirty England..
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247

    I suppose I'm seeing it as a (semi-former) professional politician - again and again I found them factually misleading with obvious selection of data to suit whatever line they were pushing. Combined with their general "all politicians are crap" approach it was irritating - you don't mind being told you're wrong with a decent argument, and even if it's an abusive constituent you can listen for the genuine motivations, but the Eye just seemed to approach every political story on the basis of:

    1. Any politician is a lying bastard.
    2. Let's pick some facts to make it look like that's true.

    And yes, they never struck me as really victimised angry people marginalised by society, just a few people making money out of exploiting cynicism. As you both say, that doesn't mean they aren't sometimes right, and we do need muckrakers, but they're so often wrong/unfair that it dilutes the effect.
    One issue they have is that the'r fact checking is a bit variable - some stories are beautifully researched. Others not so.

    There was one, of the "Rich bastard buys poor country" variety a while back - a billionaire moving to a Caribbean nation, IIRC. They printed aerial picture, claiming that it was a giant mega swimming pool for said billionaire, on an island with water supply issues.

    Simply comparing the picture with the size of cars nearby showed that said swimming pool was literally miles across. 1 minute with Google showed that it was the local reservoir.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Dirty England..

    Empire or Rugby?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Can England rugby team mabage to go 5mins without giving away a penalty?

    QTWTAIN.
  • Can England rugby team mabage to go 5mins without giving away a penalty?

    No.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195

    Dirty England..

    Scotland have had more dominance at Twickenham so far than Scottish issues on this thread and they lead only 3-0. Can't help feeling they may come to regret that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195
    rcs1000 said:

    Here in California, it starts at a very sensible 8pm. This means that I can watch the afternoon session in bed.

    You should consider moving here.
    Is there a lot of demand for Scots lawyers?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Unless we get a shift on with vaccination:

    https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1358098300310847488?s=20

    I read that earlier and felt it is be slightly bollocks as it assumes that assumes vaccination will proceed at current rates. It also assumes that there will be no acquisition of immunity through other means...catching the thing primarily
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797
    .
    rcs1000 said:

    The 45 trillion number, which I've dissected on this board before, is based on using ridiculously inflated numbers from the period of British (and Dutch and East India Company) occupation and administration of India.

    They work out a trade deficit number, without looking at the fact the deficit was financed by... errr... the UK, and without reference to the fact that the India got things in return for the trade deficit. If we send $1 to Ethopia, and they used it to buy food from abroad, that would count as (according the "research") the $1 being extracted from Ethiopia.

    Then to make it even more ridiculous, they then compound the sum based around a ridiculous interest rate. So, a sum equivalent to 10% of Indian GDP in about 1900 somehow becomes 20,000% of GDP today.

    That someone could actually claim that the UK had extracted massively more from India than their cumulative GDP in the period is just absurd and ridiculous. That it is lapped up and trumpeted is just embarassing.
    The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.

    Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
  • kle4 said:

    Empire or Rugby?
    A colonial doing the dirty work, so..
  • DavidL said:

    Scotland have had more dominance at Twickenham so far than Scottish issues on this thread and they lead only 3-0. Can't help feeling they may come to regret that.
    Wait until the England players catch up on this thread at half time. Talk about motivation.
  • Bastert
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195

    No.
    But its ok because they can apparently get away with collapsing the scrum until they are no longer a man down.
  • Priti's the woman to sooth any remaining wounds.
    My thread tomorrow afternoon is about the island of Ireland, I have some suggestions to soothe wounds.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited February 2021
    That could easily have been a try. England have barely turned up.

    Edit: and there’s the try. Useless.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,195
    Nigelb said:

    .

    The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade. Its destruction as a competitor for the raw material cotton was quite deliberate.

    Japan’s extraordinary industrialisation in the second half of the nineteenth century could not have occurred had it been a colony.
    Major beneficiary, Coats Paton and Baldwin of Paisley. Just saying.
  • FeckPissAndShite.

    Never really liked any sport other than cricket.

    #ThankGodForFellowDoreLadJoeRoot
  • My thread tomorrow afternoon is about the island of Ireland, I have some suggestions to soothe wounds.
    It’s easy. If the Scots get independence than as penance they must take NI with them. England and Wales then just sit back and count their money.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    malcolmg said:

    YOU only prove my point. They made a real pig's ear of India , robbed them of all their wealth , murdered shed loads and left them in the lurch at a minutes notice. They have form , many more instances than India to consider, we are just the last in a long line of colonies.
    Scotland is not a colony, if it was all its MPs would be removed from Westminster as well as its Parliament scrapped
  • Now this is going to be a genuine once in a generation opportunity for Scotland.

    Scotland winning in Twickenham for the first time in 38 years.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,431
    edited February 2021

    Unless we get a shift on with vaccination:

    https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1358098300310847488?s=20

    Pfizer alone will produce more than TWO BILLION doses of their vaccine this year. The Serum Institute of India will produce TWO BILLION doses between Novavax and AZ this year.

    And that is ignoring all the production of other vaccines (or, indeed, by AZ and Novavax themselves).

    I have little doubt that lower income countries, and those without effective systems for distributing vaccines, will struggle. But for the developed world, everyone will get a vaccine (of some kind) by the end of August (if they want it), and by then the mRNA guys will have developed boosters for any little mutations that come along.

    CV19 will be seen as a positive turning point for the world, because mRNA technology is going to change medicine. It's going to be absolutely fabulous for oncology, and it's going to make seasonal flu shots massively more effective. And it was all accelerated by CV19.

    Three cheers for the virus!
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,511
    malcolmg said:

    YOU only prove my point. They made a real pig's ear of India , robbed them of all their wealth , murdered shed loads and left them in the lurch at a minutes notice. They have form , many more instances than India to consider, we are just the last in a long line of colonies.
    No, Hong Kong was, and that was a stunning success story.

    (GDP/cap of HK in 1997 - $27,000; GDP/cap of mainland China - $800. Number of Chinese refugees who fled to HK in 20th century - 3 million. Number of HK refugees who fled to China - ~0).
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,359
    edited February 2021
    As much as it all looks good, some of the wonks have some concerns about the rate of decline Some of their modelling suggests there is a danger to the trajectory of the downward trend.

    On the rugby, Scotland need to be the 10 points up. England will not be this bad whole game.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,633

    Now this is going to be a genuine once in a generation opportunity for Scotland.

    Scotland winning in Twickenham for the first time in 38 years.

    Awful from eng, huge from the Scots. They’ve been awesome so far.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,511
    Nigelb said:

    .

    The numbers are silly, but it’s true that we wreaked devastation on the 19thC Indian economy by taking away their ability to protect a large domestic textile industry against the newly industrialised British cotton trade.
    In other words our sin was providing them with cheap clothes they wanted to buy?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,797
    kle4 said:

    Quite odd for a clerk to have that level of authority in standing orders it seem, usually the Chair would throw people out (which does make it hard when the Chair is being abusive), but did they then specify who actually presides?
    De facto, rather than de jure - but I seriously doubt it could successfully be litigated.
    She only had authority as the Zoom host. :smile:

    There’s an analysis here, which seems persuasive.
    https://davidallengreen.com/2021/02/did-jackie-weaver-have-the-authority-the-law-and-policy-of-that-handforth-parish-council-meeting/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Fishing said:

    In other words our sin was providing them with cheap clothes they wanted to buy?
    Plus of course bringing Westminster style democracy, common law, railways and stopping widows being thrown on funeral pyres, it was not all bad
  • It’s easy. If the Scots get independence than as penance they must take NI with them. England and Wales then just sit back and count their money.
    My solution is very elegant, although I fear I will upset some.

    That said, the opening line to my piece is brilliant.
  • Awful from eng, huge from the Scots. They’ve been awesome so far.
    I blame the kit, we should have never moved to Umbro.

    Awful kit, we should have stayed with Canterbury, or moved to Nike or Adidas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    malcolmg said:

    Yes highland clearances and your colonial preferences that we must stay as a colony are really offensive. The 45 trillion is using some compound interest rate but it does highlight that whilst denuding India of huge wealth , England claimed they were in deficit. This is exactly the same position as Scotland. They also impoverished Scotland since the union and are denying us a democratic vote as they did in India.
    Your stupid remark at the end is pretty pathetic and juvenile. Perhaps you should stick to topics you know at least something about.
    Scotland has a deficit of 8.6%, the UK has a deficit of 2.5%.

    The UK government subsidises the Scottish deficit

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/union-dividend-of-1941-for-every-person-in-scotland#:~:text=As a percentage of Scotland's,less than 3% of GDP.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,688
    edited February 2021
    Dirty Scotland, should be a red card and penalty try.
  • HYUFD said:

    Scotland has a deficit of 8.6%, the UK has a deficit of 2.5%.

    The UK government subsidises the Scottish deficit

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/union-dividend-of-1941-for-every-person-in-scotland#:~:text=As a percentage of Scotland's,less than 3% of GDP.

    Deficits result from the choices of sovereign governments. Scotland doesn't have a deficit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    edited February 2021

    @HYUFD also assured us that Biden winning would lead to a surge of Georgian Republican sentiment to ensure the Dems didn't hold the Senate. Remember that?
    It is certainly leading to a surge in secessionist sentiment in Trump voting Texas, Georgia voted for Biden so is not a valid comparison if England voted Tory but the UK voted Labour and SNP and that then led to a surge in English nationalist sentiment.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121

    Deficits result from the choices of sovereign governments. Scotland doesn't have a deficit.
    It does, largely due to its spendthrift SNP government
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825
    kle4 said:

    Quite odd for a clerk to have that level of authority in standing orders it seem, usually the Chair would throw people out (which does make it hard when the Chair is being abusive), but did they then specify who actually presides?
    I think for the Tolverites it's all about the democratic deficit implied by having power ceded to the unelected technocrat Jackie Weaver. Me, I think they're wrong. But there's no doubting the strength of feeling.
  • HYUFD said:

    It is certainly leading to a surge in secessionist sentiment in Trump voting Texas, Georgia voted for Biden so is not a valid comparison if England voted Tory but the UK voted Labour and SNP

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/05/texas-republicans-endorse-legislation-vote-secession
    Have you popped up on Texan secessionist forums to tell them about Quebec and Catalonia?
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