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Mr. Jim, I believe Cesare and Alexander both disliked the Orisini and their rivals (Colonnese?).
Mr. H, it's astounding, I know.
Such a shame Byzantium fell.0 -
Have Isis arrived there?David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.0 -
Dr Stephen Fisher's latest projection of GE Seats, based on UKPR's averaging of the most recent polls (showing small movements over the past week) is as follows:
Con .......... 308 seats (+1 seat)
Lab ........... 287 seats (+1 seat)
LibDem ...... 27 seats (-2 seats)
Other ..........28 seats (unchanged)
Total .........650 seats0 -
Lab up by 1.37 Tory down by 1.18 gap up by 2.55 or as philiph would say 30
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Well we best not get onto the Papal veto exercised by Catholic monarchs up until 1903philiph said:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.0 -
It only fell because of the ruin of the Latin Empire after the crusade. It probably would have hung on 200 years later but for that, and European history would have been very very different.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jim, I believe Cesare and Alexander both disliked the Orisini and their rivals (Colonnese?).
Mr. H, it's astounding, I know.
Such a shame Byzantium fell.0 -
Or just showing the Labour lead increasing in a very gentle drift.bigjohnowls said:Over same 22 YG polls Con vote also completely level. First 11 Ave% 33.36 last 11 32.18%
Would nothing outwith MOE be a normal view?
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To infinity, and beyond!bigjohnowls said:Lab up by 1.37 Tory down by 1.18 gap up by 2.55 or as philiph would say 3
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AndyJS said:
Have Isis arrived there?David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
That is a known unknown.0 -
Mr. Woolie, d'you mean the Fourth Crusade?
The Latin nations should have offered far more help. Instead, Byzantium was abandoned, and, tragically, lost forever. It wasn't even helpful for the Latins for Byzantium to fall.
In Byzantium's favour, its last emperor was worthy of the title, unlike the Western Empire's final emperor.0 -
I note on Sky News that George H W Bush has been skydiving on his 90th birthday - despite his legs no longer working. Did the same for 80th and 85th. Way cool!0
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No, I think that should be 4bigjohnowls said:Lab up by 1.37 Tory down by 1.18 gap up by 2.55 or as philiph would say 3
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I think the major Borgia feuds were with the Medici, the Sforza, Cardinal Savonarola and the Orsini. Fun times.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jim, I believe Cesare and Alexander both disliked the Orisini and their rivals (Colonnese?).
Mr. H, it's astounding, I know.
Such a shame Byzantium fell.0 -
Finished your sentance for you .....And the Tories by 1.9% compared to the averageisam said:
With the firm that overstates Labour by 2.1 compared to the averageSean_F said:
A whole 1.37%bigjohnowls said:
You are right Charles. No noticeable increase in Labour vote at allCharles said:
Doesn't work on my bb. Can you summarise?BobaFett said:
Be interesting to compare May's polling with that of June. UKPR did an analysis on this the other day. It may surprise you.Charles said:
I know. Labour still around 36. I don't recall them being meaningfully lower except on a couple of occasionsBobaFett said:
Look at the shares not the lead Charles. PB Golden Rule.Charles said:
One poll and all that, remember ;-)BobaFett said:Morning all. Belter of a day in London Town.
Surprised there has not been more discussion about YouGov, which shows the trend of higher Labour scores continuing. Be interesting to have a thread on this at some stage, looking at the reasons behind it.
You just had 2 with a 2pt lead...
Sure - probably bouncing around 5pt. But hasn't that been driven by Con-UKIP relative shares rather than a wave of enthusiasm for the Labour party?bigjohnowls said:See the june YGs have Lab leads of 6,4.5,6,4,6,2,2,6.
Or in PB Tories minds 2,2 and six outliers.
22 YG polls in last month
first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37)
the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/06/0 -
England averaging over 4 an over. Nice to see - that is the scoring rate that wins test matches rather than draws them.0
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Mr. Jim, indeed. Renaissance Italy isn't really my time/place, but it is quite interesting.0
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Is that a clever way of saying, "No". I only ask because big chunks of security at Baghdad airport is still provided by contractors employed by, and largely from, the West so if fighting was going on there I think we would have heard about it by now.David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:
Have Isis arrived there?David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
That is a known unknown.0 -
Yes, the idiot Baldwin and his successors who left the Balkans vulnerable.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Woolie, d'you mean the Fourth Crusade?
The Latin nations should have offered far more help. Instead, Byzantium was abandoned, and, tragically, lost forever. It wasn't even helpful for the Latins for Byzantium to fall.
In Byzantium's favour, its last emperor was worthy of the title, unlike the Western Empire's final emperor.0 -
Or zero surelyphiliph said:
No, I think that should be 4bigjohnowls said:Lab up by 1.37 Tory down by 1.18 gap up by 2.55 or as philiph would say 3
Or maybe once you apply the YG bias factor its minus 4 and it all ends happily ever after with a Tory majority of Romney HMS pissthepresidency proportions
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Oh I think it is probably more bloody and brutal than most of the stuff the Romans got up to.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jim, indeed. Renaissance Italy isn't really my time/place, but it is quite interesting.
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The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-philiph said:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
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Is "security contractor" a polite couple of words for mercenary ?HurstLlama said:
Is that a clever way of saying, "No". I only ask because big chunks of security at Baghdad airport is still provided by contractors employed by, and largely from, the West so if fighting was going on there I think we would have heard about it by now.David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:
Have Isis arrived there?David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
That is a known unknown.0 -
Quite agree, Mr. Woolie.
Mr. Jim, I'd be surprised. The ancient Romans got up to some properly mental stuff.0 -
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Yes, but one deployed in a defensive rather than offensive role. The UK and US governments have used them very extensively in recent wars do do jobs that would previously have been done by proper armed forces personnel. Contracting out doesn't just apply to local councils, you know.Pulpstar said:
Is "security contractor" a polite couple of words for mercenary ?HurstLlama said:
Is that a clever way of saying, "No". I only ask because big chunks of security at Baghdad airport is still provided by contractors employed by, and largely from, the West so if fighting was going on there I think we would have heard about it by now.David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:
Have Isis arrived there?David_Evershed said:AndyJS said:Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
That is a known unknown.0 -
Last 10 ovs 69/2 RR 6.90 !!!!!!0
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Looking at his trend chart there's been a gentle decline in his forecast probability of Conservatives becoming the largest party. One presumes this is because the Conservatives are falling behind the average swingback schedule.peter_from_putney said:Dr Stephen Fisher's latest projection of GE Seats, based on UKPR's averaging of the most recent polls (showing small movements over the past week) is as follows:
Con .......... 308 seats (+1 seat)
Lab ........... 287 seats (+1 seat)
LibDem ...... 27 seats (-2 seats)
Other ..........28 seats (unchanged)
Total .........650 seats
We're now 47 weeks away from having most of the seats declare results, so while there is still plenty of time it is gradually seeping away. His error bars are still very wide: +/- 7.8 on the Conservative share, but I believe they used to be more than 8.
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I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-278299580 -
Weird is the word that voters have most associated with Ed Miliband since at least 2011:BobaFett said:@ToryJim
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.0 -
Quite. Apologising was pretty craven though.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
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Julius III was a pretty grim pope almost certainly a pederast who raised his reputed lover to the Cardinalate. This is possibly not as bad as Paul II who is reported to have died whilst being rogered by his page. Although Benedict IX may just take the biscuit as his behaviour was so bad the Vatican couldn't even turn a blind eye including holding orgies in the Lateran palace, rape, murder and other quite un papal behaviour. Makes the modern lot look quite clean.Sean_F said:
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-philiph said:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."0 -
Ed was right to show his support to the England football team, especially as his rivals were on it, he would have been wide open if he hadn't.
Why he felt the need to apologise due to a few Labour figures from self pity city is madness. They are not going to turn Tory at the next election, the scousers still hold one of their many mass grudges against them due to Maggie telling them a few home truths, even longer ago than Hillsborough.0 -
I'd like to apologise to all PBers for having let myself and my party down by visiting ConHome today.
I realise this will upset and annoy many of you and I apologise if this offends any of you.
I will only pose with yellow curved fruit in future.0 -
Where were you against Mitchell Johnsons half-baked chucks, Stuart Broad?0
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It's currently the BBC's most read story. But I'm sure no one is noticing it.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
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Even the Hitler Youth pope can't compete with that.ToryJim said:
Julius III was a pretty grim pope almost certainly a pederast who raised his reputed lover to the Cardinalate. This is possibly not as bad as Paul II who is reported to have died whilst being rogered by his page. Although Benedict IX may just take the biscuit as his behaviour was so bad the Vatican couldn't even turn a blind eye including holding orgies in the Lateran palace, rape, murder and other quite un papal behaviour. Makes the modern lot look quite clean.Sean_F said:
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-philiph said:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."0 -
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-278299580 -
We demand a century partnership between Pudsey and the Burnley Express0
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It's the newest line of attack.antifrank said:
Weird is the word that voters have most associated with Ed Miliband since at least 2011:BobaFett said:@ToryJim
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.0 -
YouGov, the only poll that counts when making short term trend projections.BobaFett said:
It's the newest line of attack.antifrank said:
Weird is the word that voters have most associated with Ed Miliband since at least 2011:BobaFett said:@ToryJim
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.0 -
This is an emphatic performance by England at Lord's I could cover Lanka for peanuts and be massively green on any result bar the draw, but I can't be bothered. I'm going to let my long England position ride.0
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People are capable of having more than one quality you know..BobaFett said:
It's the newest line of attack.antifrank said:
Weird is the word that voters have most associated with Ed Miliband since at least 2011:BobaFett said:@ToryJim
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.0 -
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The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...HurstLlama said:
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-278299580 -
I've given you direct evidence from 2011 that this is a long-running voter concern and you've just chosen to ignore it completely. That speaks volumes about you.BobaFett said:
It's the newest line of attack.antifrank said:
Weird is the word that voters have most associated with Ed Miliband since at least 2011:BobaFett said:@ToryJim
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.0 -
Yet another post which shows we need to like button back. Nice one, Mr. Heap, gave me the first belly laugh of the day.Scrapheap_as_was said:I'd like to apologise to all PBers for having let myself and my party down by visiting ConHome today.
I realise this will upset and annoy many of you and I apologise if this offends any of you.
I will only pose with yellow curved fruit in future.0 -
Were just trying to find some common ground with the brides of McBride.BobaFett said:
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...HurstLlama said:
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-278299580 -
@PickardJE: 98% of Labour grassroots "hate" slogan “Hardworking Britain Better Off” http://t.co/b93jeTyLrV
@PickardJE: "It suggests Labour only supports those in paid work and does not value the old, the young, the sick, the carers, the disabled, jobless"0 -
Stuart Broad, the 'all rounder' is gone0
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Mr. Llama, I sympathise with Ed Miliband's lack of photogenic appeal.
Mr. Fett, 'weird' has been there since the start, and it's as much by the electorate as Miliband's political opponents. A leadership campaign slogan like "Ed speaks human" doesn't exactly paint him as a normal fellow.0 -
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They don't care, none of them do. Labour give handouts to secure votes, not to benefit the unfortunate. They also need to bribe a few tax payers to secure a majority as well.Scott_P said:@PickardJE: 98% of Labour grassroots "hate" slogan “Hardworking Britain Better Off” http://t.co/b93jeTyLrV
@PickardJE: "It suggests Labour only supports those in paid work and does not value the old, the young, the sick, the carers, the disabled, jobless"
The Tories bribe businesses and do less damage to the economy in general. Hence vote Tory.0 -
Mr. P, someone should point out that a great many disabled people do have jobs.
Certainly didn't slow down Alexander, Hannibal or Caesar.0 -
Anyone interested in Papal shenanigans could do worse than invest in a copy of Memoirs of a Gnostic Dwarf, the first chapter of which you can read here:Sean_F said:
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-philiph said:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
http://www.dedalusbooks.com/our-books/chapter.php?id=00000023&id2=7
"This morning His Holiness summoned me to read to him from St Augustine, while the physician applied unguents and salves to his suppurating arse; one in particular, which was apparently concocted from virgin's piss (where did they find a virgin in Rome?)..."
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Some of us, whom ATOS wrote off as incapable of working, decided screw that and are making a go of it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, someone should point out that a great many disabled people do have jobs.
Certainly didn't slow down Alexander, Hannibal or Caesar.
Not everyone with a disability is out of work.
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If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.BobaFett said:
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...HurstLlama said:
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
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Or David Blunkett!!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, someone should point out that a great many disabled people do have jobs.
Certainly didn't slow down Alexander, Hannibal or Caesar.0 -
@antifrank
An unnecessarily waspish yet sadly typical response from you. Concern? Evidence? That they think he is a bit weird is not necessarily a concern, is it? Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine.
Sayonara!0 -
Mr. Owls, well, quite. Not a Blunkett fan, but he's done very well and proven a blind chap can aspire to high political office.0
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It's funny, when I did some analysis showing how Labour's share of the vote and lead had fallen by nearly 7% in a year, I was accused of reading too much into the polls.HurstLlama said:
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.BobaFett said:
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...HurstLlama said:
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
But a 1.3% swing to Labour in the last month is a trend.
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Why on earth do you think 'weak' and 'dangerous' are opposites? They are two aspects of the same failing - naive, superficial, populist, bends with the wind, changes his mind.BobaFett said:
It's the newest line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I'd have thought 'weak, weird and dangerous' was a pretty fair assessment of Ed. In the event of a Miliband government, I am quite certain that the overwhelming majority in the country will agree within much the same timescale that their French counterparts did in respect of his hero, François Hollande.0 -
onaraBobaFett said:@antifrank
Sayonara!0 -
I replied to you earlier about it!TheScreamingEagles said:
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A not obviously biased site summarising the position is here:Pulpstar said:I note that (western) syria is out the news almost completely at the moment. But there is a war on between Assad and rebel forces still.
Assad well on top at the moment I assume ?
http://www.syriadeeply.org/articles/2014/06/5623/syria-executive-summary-613/
Not much news militarily since the Government retook Homs.
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A simple read of UKPR will show you!HurstLlama said:
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.BobaFett said:
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...HurstLlama said:
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
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About how ICM's much smaller sample size was more accurate the YouGov's mahoosive sample size?BobaFett said:0 -
No, I want to know what you think. You do have opinions of your own, don't you? Why not share them with us rather than point us to what someone else thinks?BobaFett said:
A simple read of UKPR will show you!HurstLlama said:
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.BobaFett said:
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...HurstLlama said:
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.Morris_Dancer said:I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today:
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Since you still evidently haven't read the words that I quoted, you're beyond help.BobaFett said:@antifrank
An unnecessarily waspish yet sadly typical response from you. Concern? Evidence? That they think he is a bit weird is not necessarily a concern, is it? Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine.
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The labour posters trumpeting the party's poll performance aren't wrong, but are undermined as much as anything else by their own side.
It's the likes of labourlist and the staggers that are wondering if Ed's heading for defeat.0 -
LabourList @LabourList
Miliband "sorry to those who feel offended" by Sun photo http://labli.st/SSPA5T
alexmassie @alexmassie
Has Miliband really apologised for being photographed with The Sun? The man plumbs fresh depths of muppetry. Whatever next?
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You are dealing with a chap who understands full well the dangers of a political leader being ridiculed by the press, the polls and by political opponents. Don't expect rationality, panic is setting in as Ed, blunders from one mishap to the next.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why on earth do you think 'weak' and 'dangerous' are opposites? They are two aspects of the same failing - naive, superficial, populist, bends with the wind, changes his mind.BobaFett said:
It's the newest line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I'd have thought 'weak, weird and dangerous' was a pretty fair assessment of Ed. In the event of a Miliband government, I am quite certain that the overwhelming majority in the country will agree within much the same timescale that their French counterparts did in respect of his hero, François Hollande.
http://order-order.com/2014/06/12/ed-spilliband/
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I'm expecting him to soon say "the quiet man is here to stay, and he's turning up the volume."Tykejohnno said:
LabourList @LabourList
Miliband "sorry to those who feel offended" by Sun photo http://labli.st/SSPA5T
alexmassie @alexmassie
Has Miliband really apologised for being photographed with The Sun? The man plumbs fresh depths of muppetry. Whatever next?0 -
''Don't expect rationality, panic is setting in as Ed, blunders from one mishap to the next.''
But the polls! the polls I tell you! (copyright Bobafett).0 -
Overstates Labour by 2.1% says OGHdyedwoolie said:
YouGov, the only poll that counts when making short term trend projections.BobaFett said:
It's the newest line of attack.antifrank said:
Weird is the word that voters have most associated with Ed Miliband since at least 2011:BobaFett said:@ToryJim
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.
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But the polls! the polls I tell you! (copyright Bobafett)taffys said:''Don't expect rationality, panic is setting in as Ed, blunders from one mishap to the next.''
But the polls! the polls I tell you! (copyright Bobafett).
But I am not going to tell you what I think the polls mean (copyright Bobafett)
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@hugorifkind: Lock him in a small windowless room with no link to the outside world and I do believe Ed Miliband could still make a public fool of himselfTheWatcher said:
The man's a plum.
@hugorifkind: Schroedinger's Prat, if you like.0 -
I'm not wasting my money by backing Matt Hancock as next tory leader at 33/1 am I?0
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Useless fact about Angelina Jolie:
http://www.boomsbeat.com/articles/112/20140114/50-interesting-facts-about-angelina-jolie.htm
"After two years of enrolment, Angelina dropped out of her acting class from Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute to pursue her desire of becoming an undertaker or a funeral director. She went on to study embalming."0 -
I wish to reassure my fellow PBers that Ed has never posed with a copy of the Sunil or the Sunil on Sunday!Tykejohnno said:
LabourList @LabourList
Miliband "sorry to those who feel offended" by Sun photo http://labli.st/SSPA5T
alexmassie @alexmassie
Has Miliband really apologised for being photographed with The Sun? The man plumbs fresh depths of muppetry. Whatever next?0 -
My football bets today, may they be as profitable as my tips yesterday
Cameroon to beat Mexico
Netherlands to beat Spain
Australia to beat Chile.0 -
Miliband's half-apology over the Sun photo will please no one
The Labour leader has been left looking like a man trying to have it both ways.
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Bacary Sagna signs for Citeh.0
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Calling Ed Miliband weird is pretty unfortunate. Labelling someone peculiar because they do not look, speak, act or whatever in a certain way strikes me as being very unBritish. Hopefully the new classes can deal with it. But clearly it's too late for a fair few of my countrymen.
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I disagree with the article.
It was 1970 Powell giveth, 1974 Powell taketh away.
You can easily see it in Powell's area.0 -
He is certainly not heading for outright victory, whatever the polls say. And he is a drag on the Labour vote.taffys said:The labour posters trumpeting the party's poll performance aren't wrong, but are undermined as much as anything else by their own side.
It's the likes of labourlist and the staggers that are wondering if Ed's heading for defeat.
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The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.0 -
The Queen's Birthday Honours are released tonight but I have seen or heard no leaks of names ahead of it which is quite unusual0
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If Alastair Campbell was in charge today, Ed would be calling for the invasion of Iraq, saying we're 45mins away from ISIS taking Britain.Richard_Nabavi said:The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.0 -
Only one I've seen is Dame Maggie Smith getting upgraded to a Companion of Honourmarke09 said:The Queen's Birthday Honours are released tonight but I have seen or heard no leaks of names ahead of it which is quite unusual
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And he is a drag on the Labour vote.
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Couldn't Ed just have used a bit of common sense/political nous ?Richard_Nabavi said:The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.0 -
Mr. 09, that's weird.
What I did was right, I do not resile from it, and I apologise.0 -
No, we had the Iraq fiasco instead....Richard_Nabavi said:The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.0
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