Wrong - the ICM phone poll real sample is often much lower because of refusers.
I don't know why people don't want to even discuss Labour's rising score - the trend is clear and if it was to the Tories we'd hear about nowt else.
Can you post the stats? Sure the lead is rising, but the share is still only 36. That's where it's been for a long time. Yes, there were a couple where the share was below 35, but not for that long.
So what !!!!!!!! Are you a paid agent of YouGov? If so, TSE, you should declare an interest.
I'm making a point to Bobafett, see below.
Edit: And Yes I do get paid by YouGov (usually 50p per survey I fill in, I've only done probably six in the last year, all politics related, I refuse to do their tedious, ennui inducing brand index polls)
I know the Sun is controversial in Liverpool, but I think the hysteria from Labour MPs makes them look ridiculous and forcing Miliband to apologise is utterly catastrophic. A leader who is weak, and dictated to by spiteful and moronic backbenchers.
Cui bono? If this was leaked to damage a politician, then May is surely the target. No-one thinks Grayling can be next leader.
This could be about wanting to create space in the reshuffle. Enough prisoner fiascos and Grayling will be booted out thus making room for someone else.
Wrong - the ICM phone poll real sample is often much lower because of refusers.
I don't know why people don't want to even discuss Labour's rising score - the trend is clear and if it was to the Tories we'd hear about nowt else.
Because it is rising at an anaemic rate from a dire and low level for the principal and only national opposition party and settling several strata below the rate of 40% + that it should be recording at this stage.
There is very little to report in most snail racing, but snail racing is probably more interesting than the current meteoric standstill of Labour polling.
How can I put this tastefully, aren't those going to be a risk, when a chap gets excited, I mean at at beach, there's going to a plethora of females in revealing outfits....
I think this is a strong contender for the Silliest Resignation Demand of 2014:
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
I think this is a strong contender for the Silliest Resignation Demand of 2014:
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
To be fair, The Sun evokes strong emotions in Liverpool.
I think this is a strong contender for the Silliest Resignation Demand of 2014:
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
It's a touch over the top, but then it is a Liverpool Cllr so I think you can understand the anger behind it even if carrying on a vendetta against a newspaper is silly. I mean when the same newspaper endorsed Blair in the 90s did we get this level of hysteria or is it because they no longer back Labour that this venom is now unleashed.
How can I put this tastefully, aren't those going to be a risk, when a chap gets excited, I mean at at beach, there's going to a plethora of females in revealing outfits....
Hmm well for the two gentleman pictured females in revealing attire won't be a problem
How can I put this tastefully, aren't those going to be a risk, when a chap gets excited, I mean at at beach, there's going to a plethora of females in revealing outfits....
I think the 2 chaps in the picture may be reasonably resistant to the charms of the ladies. Looking at themselves in the mirror otoh...
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
Now he is apologising he looks like he is being pushed around and possibly unpatriotic - is he not "Getting behind our England ?"
It's a good job for him there is a world cup on so noone will particularly notice.
Well, they are doing as much as they can to make people notice. You'd have thought that they'd be wanting to bury to story (and particularly the weird photo) as quickly as possible:
I think this is a strong contender for the Silliest Resignation Demand of 2014:
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
To be fair, The Sun evokes strong emotions in Liverpool.
Why ask me for the analysis when AW on the other channel has already done it? I'd rather his analysis than mine, but thanks for the veiled compliment ;-)
If your phone can't read UKPR get a new one. A man of your vast means really shouldn't be slumming it with a BlackBerry ;-)
Mr Nabavi, this looks like one of those scenarios where the initial decision did minor damage but the row back causes more. Basically all the upset people would traipse to the polling booth next year and vote Labour like automata. By creating a huge fuss and extracting an apology under duress some floating voters may well be put off because Labour look ridiculous.
"Passport Office predicted 2014 summer surge a year ago Report in July 2013 appears to contradict claims by PM and home secretary that economic recovery brought sudden demand"
I think this is a strong contender for the Silliest Resignation Demand of 2014:
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
To be fair, The Sun evokes strong emotions in Liverpool.
The Sun thing will make no difference. He's apologised to a Liverpool and that will probably be that. As the footie is on nobody will even notice and it will rapidly be forgotten about.
Mr Nabavi, this looks like one of those scenarios where the initial decision did minor damage but the row back causes more. Basically all the upset people would traipse to the polling booth next year and vote Labour like automata. By creating a huge fuss and extracting an apology under duress some floating voters may well be put off because Labour look ridiculous.
I think this is a strong contender for the Silliest Resignation Demand of 2014:
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
To be fair, The Sun evokes strong emotions in Liverpool.
It is a city that wallows in self-pity.
Not sure about that, but it is a depressing crud hole. The arse of England.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
Mr Nabavi, this looks like one of those scenarios where the initial decision did minor damage but the row back causes more. Basically all the upset people would traipse to the polling booth next year and vote Labour like automata. By creating a huge fuss and extracting an apology under duress some floating voters may well be put off because Labour look ridiculous.
Footie's on telly. Who cares?
People that aren't mindless morons? It's not like people can't enjoy the kickball AND have other interests/concerns
The Sun thing will make no difference. He's apologised to a Liverpool and that will probably be that. As the footie is on nobody will even notice and it will rapidly be forgotten about.
You can hope it will, I think it may be more sticky a story than you'd like. It feeds a narrative that isn't great for Labour, it may not be consciously remembered but it will be lurking in the back of the mind. It just reinforces that he is unsuitable for high office.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
There is the Wirral West marginal near there though.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
There is the Wirral West marginal near there though.
Yeah, true, but it's not going to hurt him. People forget easily. What will hurt him is the policy vacuum and lack of ambition or direction. And his unsuitability for high office.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
There is the Wirral West marginal near there though.
Yeah, true, but it's not going to hurt him. People forget easily. What will hurt him is the policy vacuum and lack of ambition or direction. And his unsuitability for high office.
Don't you think being held hostage by backbenchers with a complete lack of perspective impacts on his suitability.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
Well that must be a great relief for Ed. – not sure how the ‘hapless dork insults Liverpool’ translates further abroad though.
Mr Nabavi, this looks like one of those scenarios where the initial decision did minor damage but the row back causes more. Basically all the upset people would traipse to the polling booth next year and vote Labour like automata. By creating a huge fuss and extracting an apology under duress some floating voters may well be put off because Labour look ridiculous.
Footie's on telly. Who cares?
Some of the 50 million who couldn't give a toss about football.
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
There is the Wirral West marginal near there though.
Yeah, true, but it's not going to hurt him. People forget easily. What will hurt him is the policy vacuum and lack of ambition or direction. And his unsuitability for high office.
The point is the reinforcement of the meme that "ed is weird". There is going to be a "weird ed" story/tweet/photo every single day of the GE campaign and that is what will scupper him.
Labour MPs in Liverpool are just doing what they need to in order to protect their own backs. I see horror upon horrors that Ewan (?)Blair is favourite for selection in Bootle. How dirty will labourites feel voting for him? Can we have some opinions from the please?
Labour MPs in Liverpool are just doing what they need to in order to protect their own backs. I see horror upon horrors that Ewan (?)Blair is favourite for selection in Bootle. How dirty will labourites feel voting for him? Can we have some opinions from the please?
Did they complain when the Sun endorsed Blair in the 97 election? If so was it quite so vociferous? I can't remember there being such a hooha then but it's a long time ago.
Mr. Jim, Labour didn't seem to mind the Sun, until the paper switched in 2007 or 2008 (I think) during the Labour Party conference, and an angry Liverpudlian tore the paper up on stage.
Labour MPs in Liverpool are just doing what they need to in order to protect their own backs. I see horror upon horrors that Ewan (?)Blair is favourite for selection in Bootle. How dirty will labourites feel voting for him? Can we have some opinions from the please?
Is that true ?
Benton looks to have been a very socially conservative Labour MP - I don't think UKIP will win the seat, the mountain is just too large to scale but sticking Blair in would probably make it a favourite for lowest turnout seat in the UK.
Mr. Jim, Labour didn't seem to mind the Sun, until the paper switched in 2007 or 2008 (I think) during the Labour Party conference, and an angry Liverpudlian tore the paper up on stage.
Mr. Jim, Labour didn't seem to mind the Sun, until the paper switched in 2007 or 2008 (I think) during the Labour Party conference, and an angry Liverpudlian tore the paper up on stage.
Thus showing the world how thin skinned you are and unable to take a knock or criticism.
To consider that a party has a right to the undivided loyalty of an independent newspaper is close to a totalitarian view. It is the role (much abrogated) of a free press to probe and question political parties and individuals.
Mr. Jim, Labour didn't seem to mind the Sun, until the paper switched in 2007 or 2008 (I think) during the Labour Party conference, and an angry Liverpudlian tore the paper up on stage.
Thus showing the world how thin skinned you are and unable to take a knock or criticism.
To consider that a party has a right to the undivided loyalty of an independent newspaper is close to a totalitarian view. It is the role (much abrogated) of a free press to probe and question political parties and individuals.
Newspapers should support them very sparingly.
Its a Labour characteristic though, watch the 83, 87 and 92 election results shows and every Labour MP blames the lack of votes on the media. It's instructive.
Mr. JS, that reminds me, I saw something similar yesterday and was really surprised how close Fallujah was to Baghdad, and the lack of reporting on it.
Today's news is tomorrow's chip paper. An appropriate idiom!
Any one story of its self won't make much difference but the cumulative effect is the problem. That cumulation can make certain stories bigger than they'd otherwise be. This story feeds into a couple of very bad Ed narratives, that he's weird and that he's weak. It just adds to all the negativity swirling around him. It won't necessarily be in the forefront of people's minds, but it will seep into the background.
Well, let us assume that the first 32 million are female (OK some girls are interested). The next 5 million are too young to care
That leaves about 30 million males, to assume that 13 million of those are only a bit or not interested in the football mania and world cup may not be a long way off, giving 50 million uninterested. and 17 million interested.
That alternative history ... well .. I've done no work this morning. I think I got where it was going about three entries before it got there. Brutal stuff.
Surprised there has not been more discussion about YouGov, which shows the trend of higher Labour scores continuing. Be interesting to have a thread on this at some stage, looking at the reasons behind it.
One poll and all that, remember ;-)
You just had 2 with a 2pt lead...
Look at the shares not the lead Charles. PB Golden Rule.
I know. Labour still around 36. I don't recall them being meaningfully lower except on a couple of occasions
Be interesting to compare May's polling with that of June. UKPR did an analysis on this the other day. It may surprise you.
See the june YGs have Lab leads of 6,4.5,6,4,6,2,2,6.
Or in PB Tories minds 2,2 and six outliers.
Sure - probably bouncing around 5pt. But hasn't that been driven by Con-UKIP relative shares rather than a wave of enthusiasm for the Labour party?
You are right Charles. No noticeable increase in Labour vote at all 22 YG polls in last month first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37) the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
Surprised there has not been more discussion about YouGov, which shows the trend of higher Labour scores continuing. Be interesting to have a thread on this at some stage, looking at the reasons behind it.
One poll and all that, remember ;-)
You just had 2 with a 2pt lead...
Look at the shares not the lead Charles. PB Golden Rule.
I know. Labour still around 36. I don't recall them being meaningfully lower except on a couple of occasions
Be interesting to compare May's polling with that of June. UKPR did an analysis on this the other day. It may surprise you.
See the june YGs have Lab leads of 6,4.5,6,4,6,2,2,6.
Or in PB Tories minds 2,2 and six outliers.
Sure - probably bouncing around 5pt. But hasn't that been driven by Con-UKIP relative shares rather than a wave of enthusiasm for the Labour party?
You are right Charles. No noticeable increase in Labour vote at all 22 YG polls in last month first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37) the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
Surprised there has not been more discussion about YouGov, which shows the trend of higher Labour scores continuing. Be interesting to have a thread on this at some stage, looking at the reasons behind it.
One poll and all that, remember ;-)
You just had 2 with a 2pt lead...
Look at the shares not the lead Charles. PB Golden Rule.
I know. Labour still around 36. I don't recall them being meaningfully lower except on a couple of occasions
Be interesting to compare May's polling with that of June. UKPR did an analysis on this the other day. It may surprise you.
See the june YGs have Lab leads of 6,4.5,6,4,6,2,2,6.
Or in PB Tories minds 2,2 and six outliers.
Sure - probably bouncing around 5pt. But hasn't that been driven by Con-UKIP relative shares rather than a wave of enthusiasm for the Labour party?
You are right Charles. No noticeable increase in Labour vote at all 22 YG polls in last month first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37) the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
A whole 1.37%
I don't think 1.37 is a whole number. As a whole it would be expressed as 1.0 (OK, I know you didn't mean it that way)
Militias responding to a call by the clergy will tend to be the more radical types. Fanatics fighting fanatics are not liable to care about the odd civilian on the other side. or caught in the crossfire.
Surprised there has not been more discussion about YouGov, which shows the trend of higher Labour scores continuing. Be interesting to have a thread on this at some stage, looking at the reasons behind it.
One poll and all that, remember ;-)
You just had 2 with a 2pt lead...
Look at the shares not the lead Charles. PB Golden Rule.
I know. Labour still around 36. I don't recall them being meaningfully lower except on a couple of occasions
Be interesting to compare May's polling with that of June. UKPR did an analysis on this the other day. It may surprise you.
See the june YGs have Lab leads of 6,4.5,6,4,6,2,2,6.
Or in PB Tories minds 2,2 and six outliers.
Sure - probably bouncing around 5pt. But hasn't that been driven by Con-UKIP relative shares rather than a wave of enthusiasm for the Labour party?
You are right Charles. No noticeable increase in Labour vote at all 22 YG polls in last month first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37) the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
A whole 1.37%
With the firm that overstates Labour by 2.1 compared to the average
Mr. Jim, if Venice is independent, surely they should have a Doge?
Hmm. Orsoni... I wonder if he's related to the Orsini[sp], one of two factions who, in the Renaissance, were responsible for the creation of many popes...
Mr. Jim, if Venice is independent, surely they should have a Doge?
Hmm. Orsoni... I wonder if he's related to the Orsini[sp], one of two factions who, in the Renaissance, were responsible for the creation of many popes...
I think the Orsini family of Roman nobility still exists. However, Orsini is also quite a common surname.
Mr. Jim, if Venice is independent, surely they should have a Doge?
Hmm. Orsoni... I wonder if he's related to the Orsini[sp], one of two factions who, in the Renaissance, were responsible for the creation of many popes...
creation of many popes???
In a Lab? In a fornicating way? In an appointing way?
Classic fuck up by Ed Miliband here. The Sun is like death to alot of Labour voters around Liverpool and they have very strong feelings on it.
I believe only last week Liverpudlian postmen were refusing to deliver 'free' copies of the SUN, - strikes me as very odd timing by ED that he should choose to promote the premier Red-Top.
He's not going to lose any seats in Liverpool so it's not really a problem.
There is the Wirral West marginal near there though.
Yeah, true, but it's not going to hurt him. People forget easily. What will hurt him is the policy vacuum and lack of ambition or direction. And his unsuitability for high office.
Don't you think being held hostage by backbenchers with a complete lack of perspective impacts on his suitability.
Comments
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-27828845
Another day of Great Escapes.
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/today_uk_import/YG-Archives-Pol-Suntrackers-100505.pdf
Was Con 36, Lab 28, LD 26
http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/2010_may_guardian_prediction_poll.pdf
So ladies and gentleman, we can conclude, size isn't important, it's all about the girth quality.
Edit: And Yes I do get paid by YouGov (usually 50p per survey I fill in, I've only done probably six in the last year, all politics related, I refuse to do their tedious, ennui inducing brand index polls)
‘It used to be a joke that I lock them up and Ken Clarke lets them out, now they say I lock them up and Chris Grayling throws away the key.’
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/11/chris-grayling-gets-an-easy-ride-over-reoffending-rates/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jonstone/ed-miliband-apologises-for-endorsing-the-sun-newspaper
I know the Sun is controversial in Liverpool, but I think the hysteria from Labour MPs makes them look ridiculous and forcing Miliband to apologise is utterly catastrophic. A leader who is weak, and dictated to by spiteful and moronic backbenchers.
I'm going to have dip on the LDs and UKIP at 16/1 and 25/1
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/first-recalled-mp-party
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10894876/Spornosexuality-If-this-is-what-spornosexual-means-then-god-help-us-all.html
er, what does 'recalled' actually mean in this context, please?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/04/queens-speech-recall-bill_n_5443659.html
There is very little to report in most snail racing, but snail racing is probably more interesting than the current meteoric standstill of Labour polling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/13/the-sun-free-paper-world-cup-miliband_n_5491041.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
"Miliband has to go. He really, really has to go."
This has hurt him with one of the few constituencies that still had the time of day for him. As Patrick Wintour put it a few minutes ago:
"Hillsborough inquest on. Phone hacking jury out. Miliband poses with Murdoch's flagship paper the Sun. How to trash your brand in 3 minutes."
But Labour Cllr Peter Mitchell has said Miliband should resign. “He should be thoroughly ashamed of his actions. I think he should consider his position as leader of Labour Party," he told the Liverpool Echo.
Now he is apologising he looks like he is being pushed around and possibly unpatriotic - is he not "Getting behind our England ?"
It's a good job for him there is a world cup on so noone will particularly notice.
Sri Lanka 15.5
Draw 2.58
Amount matched = £6.3m
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/market?marketId=1.114094778&eventTypeId=4
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/06/coffee-shot-ed-miliband-endorses-the-sunand-looks-incredibly-weird/
Why ask me for the analysis when AW on the other channel has already done it? I'd rather his analysis than mine, but thanks for the veiled compliment ;-)
If your phone can't read UKPR get a new one. A man of your vast means really shouldn't be slumming it with a BlackBerry ;-)
"Passport Office predicted 2014 summer surge a year ago
Report in July 2013 appears to contradict claims by PM and home secretary that economic recovery brought sudden demand"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/13/passport-office-predicted-summer-surge-year-ago
http://newarkadvertiser.co.uk/articles/news/Stan-Crawford-dies-Former-Newark-and-Sherwoo
It's not like people can't enjoy the kickball AND have other interests/concerns
" The arse of England."
Liverpool usurping your Title? You should sue!
I see horror upon horrors that Ewan (?)Blair is favourite for selection in Bootle. How dirty will labourites feel voting for him? Can we have some opinions from the please?
Boris in Hx & Up????
http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/will_boris_johnson_run_in_hornchurch_and_upminster_1_3641089
PP are 18/1in a 175% book!!!
Benton looks to have been a very socially conservative Labour MP - I don't think UKIP will win the seat, the mountain is just too large to scale but sticking Blair in would probably make it a favourite for lowest turnout seat in the UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10895504/Harry-Potter-and-the-Politician-lookalikes.html
To consider that a party has a right to the undivided loyalty of an independent newspaper is close to a totalitarian view. It is the role (much abrogated) of a free press to probe and question political parties and individuals.
Newspapers should support them very sparingly.
It is you who is wishful thinking.
Today's news is tomorrow's chip paper. An appropriate idiom!
Maths never was you strong point was it Watcher?
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
There are already groups heading out to protect their shrines, this might not end well
The next 5 million are too young to care
That leaves about 30 million males, to assume that 13 million of those are only a bit or not interested in the football mania and world cup may not be a long way off, giving 50 million uninterested. and 17 million interested.
Baghdad won't fall to ISIS though, too many Shia there.
22 YG polls in last month
first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37)
the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27832890
(OK, I know you didn't mean it that way)
Militias responding to a call by the clergy will tend to be the more radical types.
Fanatics fighting fanatics are not liable to care about the odd civilian on the other side. or caught in the crossfire.
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/06/
Hmm. Orsoni... I wonder if he's related to the Orsini[sp], one of two factions who, in the Renaissance, were responsible for the creation of many popes...
In a Lab?
In a fornicating way?
In an appointing way?
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Didn't the Orsini have a huge feud with the Borgias?
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
Assad well on top at the moment I assume ?