Dr Stephen Fisher's latest projection of GE Seats, based on UKPR's averaging of the most recent polls (showing small movements over the past week) is as follows:
Mr. Jim, I believe Cesare and Alexander both disliked the Orisini and their rivals (Colonnese?).
Mr. H, it's astounding, I know.
Such a shame Byzantium fell.
It only fell because of the ruin of the Latin Empire after the crusade. It probably would have hung on 200 years later but for that, and European history would have been very very different.
The Latin nations should have offered far more help. Instead, Byzantium was abandoned, and, tragically, lost forever. It wasn't even helpful for the Latins for Byzantium to fall.
In Byzantium's favour, its last emperor was worthy of the title, unlike the Western Empire's final emperor.
I note on Sky News that George H W Bush has been skydiving on his 90th birthday - despite his legs no longer working. Did the same for 80th and 85th. Way cool!
Surprised there has not been more discussion about YouGov, which shows the trend of higher Labour scores continuing. Be interesting to have a thread on this at some stage, looking at the reasons behind it.
One poll and all that, remember ;-)
You just had 2 with a 2pt lead...
Look at the shares not the lead Charles. PB Golden Rule.
I know. Labour still around 36. I don't recall them being meaningfully lower except on a couple of occasions
Be interesting to compare May's polling with that of June. UKPR did an analysis on this the other day. It may surprise you.
See the june YGs have Lab leads of 6,4.5,6,4,6,2,2,6.
Or in PB Tories minds 2,2 and six outliers.
Sure - probably bouncing around 5pt. But hasn't that been driven by Con-UKIP relative shares rather than a wave of enthusiasm for the Labour party?
You are right Charles. No noticeable increase in Labour vote at all 22 YG polls in last month first 11 had LAB on36,34,35,36,37,37,35,34,35,34,36 average LAB% 35.36% (low 34 high 37) the 2nd 11 LAB % was 38,36,36,36,37,37,37,3737,36,38 av LAB% 36.73% (low 36 high 38)
But take out the 9 outliers from last 11 and no movement at all LOL
A whole 1.37%
With the firm that overstates Labour by 2.1 compared to the average
Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
Have Isis arrived there?
That is a known unknown.
Is that a clever way of saying, "No". I only ask because big chunks of security at Baghdad airport is still provided by contractors employed by, and largely from, the West so if fighting was going on there I think we would have heard about it by now.
The Latin nations should have offered far more help. Instead, Byzantium was abandoned, and, tragically, lost forever. It wasn't even helpful for the Latins for Byzantium to fall.
In Byzantium's favour, its last emperor was worthy of the title, unlike the Western Empire's final emperor.
Yes, the idiot Baldwin and his successors who left the Balkans vulnerable.
Lab up by 1.37 Tory down by 1.18 gap up by 2.55 or as philiph would say 3
No, I think that should be 4
Or zero surely
Or maybe once you apply the YG bias factor its minus 4 and it all ends happily ever after with a Tory majority of Romney HMS pissthepresidency proportions
Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
Have Isis arrived there?
That is a known unknown.
Is that a clever way of saying, "No". I only ask because big chunks of security at Baghdad airport is still provided by contractors employed by, and largely from, the West so if fighting was going on there I think we would have heard about it by now.
Is "security contractor" a polite couple of words for mercenary ?
Apparently the Iraqi government lost control of Fallujah back in January but the media didn't do a very good job of reporting it at the time.
Fallujah is just 36 miles from Baghdad.
The International Airport at Baghdad is even nearer.
Have Isis arrived there?
That is a known unknown.
Is that a clever way of saying, "No". I only ask because big chunks of security at Baghdad airport is still provided by contractors employed by, and largely from, the West so if fighting was going on there I think we would have heard about it by now.
Is "security contractor" a polite couple of words for mercenary ?
Yes, but one deployed in a defensive rather than offensive role. The UK and US governments have used them very extensively in recent wars do do jobs that would previously have been done by proper armed forces personnel. Contracting out doesn't just apply to local councils, you know.
Dr Stephen Fisher's latest projection of GE Seats, based on UKPR's averaging of the most recent polls (showing small movements over the past week) is as follows:
Looking at his trend chart there's been a gentle decline in his forecast probability of Conservatives becoming the largest party. One presumes this is because the Conservatives are falling behind the average swingback schedule.
We're now 47 weeks away from having most of the seats declare results, so while there is still plenty of time it is gradually seeping away. His error bars are still very wide: +/- 7.8 on the Conservative share, but I believe they used to be more than 8.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
Julius III was a pretty grim pope almost certainly a pederast who raised his reputed lover to the Cardinalate. This is possibly not as bad as Paul II who is reported to have died whilst being rogered by his page. Although Benedict IX may just take the biscuit as his behaviour was so bad the Vatican couldn't even turn a blind eye including holding orgies in the Lateran palace, rape, murder and other quite un papal behaviour. Makes the modern lot look quite clean.
Ed was right to show his support to the England football team, especially as his rivals were on it, he would have been wide open if he hadn't.
Why he felt the need to apologise due to a few Labour figures from self pity city is madness. They are not going to turn Tory at the next election, the scousers still hold one of their many mass grudges against them due to Maggie telling them a few home truths, even longer ago than Hillsborough.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
It's currently the BBC's most read story. But I'm sure no one is noticing it.
Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
Julius III was a pretty grim pope almost certainly a pederast who raised his reputed lover to the Cardinalate. This is possibly not as bad as Paul II who is reported to have died whilst being rogered by his page. Although Benedict IX may just take the biscuit as his behaviour was so bad the Vatican couldn't even turn a blind eye including holding orgies in the Lateran palace, rape, murder and other quite un papal behaviour. Makes the modern lot look quite clean.
Even the Hitler Youth pope can't compete with that.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
It's the newest line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.
YouGov, the only poll that counts when making short term trend projections.
This is an emphatic performance by England at Lord's I could cover Lanka for peanuts and be massively green on any result bar the draw, but I can't be bothered. I'm going to let my long England position ride.
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
It's the newest line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.
People are capable of having more than one quality you know..
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
It's the newest line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.
I've given you direct evidence from 2011 that this is a long-running voter concern and you've just chosen to ignore it completely. That speaks volumes about you.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...
Were just trying to find some common ground with the brides of McBride.
Mr. Llama, I sympathise with Ed Miliband's lack of photogenic appeal.
Mr. Fett, 'weird' has been there since the start, and it's as much by the electorate as Miliband's political opponents. A leadership campaign slogan like "Ed speaks human" doesn't exactly paint him as a normal fellow.
@PickardJE: "It suggests Labour only supports those in paid work and does not value the old, the young, the sick, the carers, the disabled, jobless"
They don't care, none of them do. Labour give handouts to secure votes, not to benefit the unfortunate. They also need to bribe a few tax payers to secure a majority as well. The Tories bribe businesses and do less damage to the economy in general. Hence vote Tory.
Mr. H, through backstairs shenanigans, I believe. Bit modern for me, so I don't know much detail.
Mr. F, I didn't know that.
Are you telling me that not all Popes were created by the pure will of God expressed through his mortal representatives?
I'm shocked and disillusioned. Shenanigans at the pinnacle of the Catholic Church. I would have never guessed or known.
The Borgias were fairly respectable compared to the "pornocracy" that dominated Rome in the 10th century. This was the description given of Pope John XII:-
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
Anyone interested in Papal shenanigans could do worse than invest in a copy of Memoirs of a Gnostic Dwarf, the first chapter of which you can read here:
"This morning His Holiness summoned me to read to him from St Augustine, while the physician applied unguents and salves to his suppurating arse; one in particular, which was apparently concocted from virgin's piss (where did they find a virgin in Rome?)..."
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.
An unnecessarily waspish yet sadly typical response from you. Concern? Evidence? That they think he is a bit weird is not necessarily a concern, is it? Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.
It's funny, when I did some analysis showing how Labour's share of the vote and lead had fallen by nearly 7% in a year, I was accused of reading too much into the polls.
But a 1.3% swing to Labour in the last month is a trend.
Why on earth do you think 'weak' and 'dangerous' are opposites? They are two aspects of the same failing - naive, superficial, populist, bends with the wind, changes his mind.
I'd have thought 'weak, weird and dangerous' was a pretty fair assessment of Ed. In the event of a Miliband government, I am quite certain that the overwhelming majority in the country will agree within much the same timescale that their French counterparts did in respect of his hero, François Hollande.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.
I'm not exactly pro-Miliband (as may have been noticed), but this really is not the third most important story in the entire world today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
I agree, Mr. Dancer, but on the bright side the BBC took the opportunity to show that photograph again. The first time I saw it I thought it was a spoof and had been photoshopped - the likeness Wallace was just too close.
The Tories relying on playground name calling really is a step down for a once great party...
If you say so, Mr. Fett. By the way you said earlier that you prefer polling to wishful thinking. Now, I follow the polls closer than 98% of the population, but I am at a loss to see any particularly good news for Labour in the last month or so or even a significant trend. The figures have been rehearsed on here this morning. So I wonder what you think is going on that I am missing.
A simple read of UKPR will show you!
No, I want to know what you think. You do have opinions of your own, don't you? Why not share them with us rather than point us to what someone else thinks?
An unnecessarily waspish yet sadly typical response from you. Concern? Evidence? That they think he is a bit weird is not necessarily a concern, is it? Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine.
Sayonara!
Since you still evidently haven't read the words that I quoted, you're beyond help.
Why on earth do you think 'weak' and 'dangerous' are opposites? They are two aspects of the same failing - naive, superficial, populist, bends with the wind, changes his mind.
I'd have thought 'weak, weird and dangerous' was a pretty fair assessment of Ed. In the event of a Miliband government, I am quite certain that the overwhelming majority in the country will agree within much the same timescale that their French counterparts did in respect of his hero, François Hollande.
You are dealing with a chap who understands full well the dangers of a political leader being ridiculed by the press, the polls and by political opponents. Don't expect rationality, panic is setting in as Ed, blunders from one mishap to the next.
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
It's the newest line of attack.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.
YouGov, the only poll that counts when making short term trend projections.
@hugorifkind: Lock him in a small windowless room with no link to the outside world and I do believe Ed Miliband could still make a public fool of himself
"After two years of enrolment, Angelina dropped out of her acting class from Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute to pursue her desire of becoming an undertaker or a funeral director. She went on to study embalming."
Calling Ed Miliband weird is pretty unfortunate. Labelling someone peculiar because they do not look, speak, act or whatever in a certain way strikes me as being very unBritish. Hopefully the new classes can deal with it. But clearly it's too late for a fair few of my countrymen.
The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.
The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.
If Alastair Campbell was in charge today, Ed would be calling for the invasion of Iraq, saying we're 45mins away from ISIS taking Britain.
The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.
Couldn't Ed just have used a bit of common sense/political nous ?
The other point about the Sun fiasco is that it sheds a curious light on Ed's advisers and spinners. You'd have thought that they - and he - would have seen the pitfalls in advance. Surely it should have been obvious he'd look a right berk holding a copy of the Sun like someone in a hostage photo. And you'd expect someone at the top of the Labour machine would have said, 'Hang on, a Murdoch paper? After what we've said about Murdoch? And the Sun, when Hillborough is a live issue?'
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.
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Mr. H, it's astounding, I know.
Such a shame Byzantium fell.
Con .......... 308 seats (+1 seat)
Lab ........... 287 seats (+1 seat)
LibDem ...... 27 seats (-2 seats)
Other ..........28 seats (unchanged)
Total .........650 seats
Would nothing outwith MOE be a normal view?
That is a known unknown.
The Latin nations should have offered far more help. Instead, Byzantium was abandoned, and, tragically, lost forever. It wasn't even helpful for the Latins for Byzantium to fall.
In Byzantium's favour, its last emperor was worthy of the title, unlike the Western Empire's final emperor.
Or maybe once you apply the YG bias factor its minus 4 and it all ends happily ever after with a Tory majority of Romney HMS pissthepresidency proportions
"Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross."
Polling verses PB Tory anecdote
57% told YouGov this week that they were interested in the football.
VI among football fans
Lab 45
Con 31
Kip 12
Lib 4
Mr. Jim, I'd be surprised. The ancient Romans got up to some properly mental stuff.
This weird thing is the latest Tory attack line. Past ones include weak, and dangerous. What's next?
We're now 47 weeks away from having most of the seats declare results, so while there is still plenty of time it is gradually seeping away. His error bars are still very wide: +/- 7.8 on the Conservative share, but I believe they used to be more than 8.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27829958
http://lordashcroft.com/pdf/18092011_the_leadership_factor.pdf
"This was the most commonly chosen word or phrase to describe Mr Miliband – several said they felt rather unkind choosing it but that it simply summed up their view.
As well as being an overall impression, several examples of perceived weirdness were cited, including the contest with his demeanour and the way he spoke, and his apparently reluctant marriage. The decision to stand against his brother, whom nearly all thought was better qualified, also seemed to many to be distinctly odd (as well as being the single best known fact about him).
“Weird. The whole fight with the brother thing. They should have talked about it in the shed and one of them stood. They should have had an arm wrestle”.
“It was like Cain and Abel. There was something a bit creepy”.
“Got married to further his career. That’s weird”.
“A bit strange. I find him difficult to understand sometimes. A bit of a geek. Not engaging”.
“Looks and personality matter, and frankly he’s too odd”."
There's nothing new about this line of attack.
Why he felt the need to apologise due to a few Labour figures from self pity city is madness. They are not going to turn Tory at the next election, the scousers still hold one of their many mass grudges against them due to Maggie telling them a few home truths, even longer ago than Hillsborough.
I realise this will upset and annoy many of you and I apologise if this offends any of you.
I will only pose with yellow curved fruit in future.
In the past he was weak.
Then the opposite: dangerous.
I wonder what will be next.
Meanwhile, Labour's share on the rise.
Polling vs PB Tory wishful thinking.
It's hard to reconcile being both weak and dangerous. Unless they are a bridge.
@PickardJE: "It suggests Labour only supports those in paid work and does not value the old, the young, the sick, the carers, the disabled, jobless"
Mr. Fett, 'weird' has been there since the start, and it's as much by the electorate as Miliband's political opponents. A leadership campaign slogan like "Ed speaks human" doesn't exactly paint him as a normal fellow.
The Tories bribe businesses and do less damage to the economy in general. Hence vote Tory.
Certainly didn't slow down Alexander, Hannibal or Caesar.
http://www.dedalusbooks.com/our-books/chapter.php?id=00000023&id2=7
"This morning His Holiness summoned me to read to him from St Augustine, while the physician applied unguents and salves to his suppurating arse; one in particular, which was apparently concocted from virgin's piss (where did they find a virgin in Rome?)..."
You've become very quiet on that.
Not everyone with a disability is out of work.
An unnecessarily waspish yet sadly typical response from you. Concern? Evidence? That they think he is a bit weird is not necessarily a concern, is it? Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine.
Sayonara!
But a 1.3% swing to Labour in the last month is a trend.
It's a funny old world.
I'd have thought 'weak, weird and dangerous' was a pretty fair assessment of Ed. In the event of a Miliband government, I am quite certain that the overwhelming majority in the country will agree within much the same timescale that their French counterparts did in respect of his hero, François Hollande.
http://www.syriadeeply.org/articles/2014/06/5623/syria-executive-summary-613/
Not much news militarily since the Government retook Homs.
It's the likes of labourlist and the staggers that are wondering if Ed's heading for defeat.
LabourList @LabourList
Miliband "sorry to those who feel offended" by Sun photo http://labli.st/SSPA5T
alexmassie @alexmassie
Has Miliband really apologised for being photographed with The Sun? The man plumbs fresh depths of muppetry. Whatever next?
http://order-order.com/2014/06/12/ed-spilliband/
But the polls! the polls I tell you! (copyright Bobafett).
But I am not going to tell you what I think the polls mean (copyright Bobafett)
@hugorifkind: Schroedinger's Prat, if you like.
http://www.boomsbeat.com/articles/112/20140114/50-interesting-facts-about-angelina-jolie.htm
"After two years of enrolment, Angelina dropped out of her acting class from Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute to pursue her desire of becoming an undertaker or a funeral director. She went on to study embalming."
Cameroon to beat Mexico
Netherlands to beat Spain
Australia to beat Chile.
The Labour leader has been left looking like a man trying to have it both ways.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/06/milibands-half-apology-over-sun-photo-will-please-no-one
It was 1970 Powell giveth, 1974 Powell taketh away.
You can easily see it in Powell's area.
It would never have happened in Alastair Campbell's day.
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 1m
Re Ed Mili 'apology'; his spokesman confirms it isn't for doing Sun pic and he doesn't regret it. Just for causing any offence, if it did...
The Liverpool thing does seem a bit curious. It's not like they are going to vote for anybody else in that area.
What I did was right, I do not resile from it, and I apologise.