Sorry if I seem rude but I am fed up with this view and I consider it to be crassly selfish. The lives of young people have been fucked enough in the last 12 years to ensure asset prices and pension incomes for baby boomers and above are protected. If you have such a poor understanding of risk that you remain scared of your own shadow then lock yourself up by all means. But don’t you dare criminalise me for exhibiting entirely sensible risk based behaviour, or expect me to celebrate any further interruption to my kids lives so you can feel less scared at night.
Can I just say that at 81 and 76 my wife and I are not considering ourselves but the idea the NHS may well be overwhelmed with all the consequences for everyone needing urgent cancer and other care is a nightmare and everything should be done to stop us descending into that nightmare
And I am not criminalising you and to be honest your tone is a wee bit over the top
In my family, the kids are getting the presents, the tree etc.
No big family get together - but hey, a big family meal isn't that impossible to arrange, in say June.
I am having a lot of trouble seeing this as other than a bit annoying.
Mind you I *have* run out of Grand Cru. So I am left with Premier Cru for Christmas. And some ancient Tokaji...
Can I get compensation?
Premier Cru and ancient Tokaji some like reasonable compensation to me! I have several email adverts from local, and national, wine merchants, promising delivery before Christmas. Plus elder son has sent us 6 bottles of what looks like quite decent S. Italian red. And I picked up what appears to be a pleasant port yesterday. Plan ATM is that we meet Eldest Granddaughter (aged 31) and her father on Christmas Day, approx 40 mins. drive away, in the same county. Even if we can't keep to the plan, we should be able to manage over the festive season.
My one sadness is that I can't do my traditional Boxing day ritual - serve my mother-in-law her favourite wine with the main course. Which is sweet white wine.
She knows nothing of wine, bless her. Just likes what she likes.
I give her the finest desert wines, without telling her what they are. The price would horrify her, I think, since she grew up very poor.
The other side of that is the family wine snob has to watch this, and hold his tongue. Otherwise he gets none, when desert comes.....
The wine snob is wrong. Fine Sauternes and Barsac can pair very well with some meat or poultry courses, especially if the dishes are quite rich. In Bordeaux they do this quite often, especially at the sweet-wine chateaux.
Indeed, Richard. Sauternes are traditionally paired with Foie Gras, but I could see the logic to pairing it with any rich meat dish with a fruit-based coulis.
One can go even further over-the-top with wine snobbery than with arguing about Brexit!
LOLz. I think Malmesbury's mum has got it right - drink what you like, when you like, with what you like.
He's right. Like Drakeford in Wales he acted as though the preferred outcome was too certain, when he needed to accept things could change even if they were going well.
I think the government have been very poor in this whole Christmas business, but what on earth is this crap about losing consent to be governed? There's a place for hyperbole, certainly, but that's just crap.
It's also the sort of fake question someone asks when they very much want the answer to be yes, for whatever reason, but want to pretend they dont want it, the 'just asking questions' silliness you see quite often on the extreme right (though not exclusively there, obviously).
Sorry if I seem rude but I am fed up with this view and I consider it to be crassly selfish. The lives of young people have been fucked enough in the last 12 years to ensure asset prices and pension incomes for baby boomers and above are protected. If you have such a poor understanding of risk that you remain scared of your own shadow then lock yourself up by all means. But don’t you dare criminalise me for exhibiting entirely sensible risk based behaviour, or expect me to celebrate any further interruption to my kids lives so you can feel less scared at night.
Can I just say that at 81 and 76 my wife and I are not considering ourselves but the idea the NHS may well be overwhelmed with all the consequences for everyone needing urgent cancer and other care is a nightmare and everything should be done to stop us descending into that nightmare
And I am not criminalising you and to be honest your tone is a wee bit over the top
In my family, the kids are getting the presents, the tree etc.
No big family get together - but hey, a big family meal isn't that impossible to arrange, in say June.
I am having a lot of trouble seeing this as other than a bit annoying.
Mind you I *have* run out of Grand Cru. So I am left with Premier Cru for Christmas. And some ancient Tokaji...
Can I get compensation?
Premier Cru and ancient Tokaji some like reasonable compensation to me! I have several email adverts from local, and national, wine merchants, promising delivery before Christmas. Plus elder son has sent us 6 bottles of what looks like quite decent S. Italian red. And I picked up what appears to be a pleasant port yesterday. Plan ATM is that we meet Eldest Granddaughter (aged 31) and her father on Christmas Day, approx 40 mins. drive away, in the same county. Even if we can't keep to the plan, we should be able to manage over the festive season.
My one sadness is that I can't do my traditional Boxing day ritual - serve my mother-in-law her favourite wine with the main course. Which is sweet white wine.
She knows nothing of wine, bless her. Just likes what she likes.
I give her the finest desert wines, without telling her what they are. The price would horrify her, I think, since she grew up very poor.
The other side of that is the family wine snob has to watch this, and hold his tongue. Otherwise he gets none, when desert comes.....
The wine snob is wrong. Fine Sauternes and Barsac can pair very well with some meat or poultry courses, especially if the dishes are quite rich. In Bordeaux they do this quite often, especially at the sweet-wine chateaux.
Indeed, Richard. Sauternes are traditionally paired with Foie Gras, but I could see the logic to pairing it with any rich meat dish with a fruit-based coulis.
One can go even further over-the-top with wine snobbery than with arguing about Brexit!
LOLz. I think Malmesbury's mum has got it right - drink what you like, when you like, with what you like.
The best wine in the world is the one you like drinking. At this moment......
If that means screw top dry white plonk from the corner shop with steak - go for it.
I think the government have been very poor in this whole Christmas business, but what on earth is this crap about losing consent to be goverened? There's a place for hyperbole, certainly, but that's just crap.
It's also the sort of fake question someone asks when they very much want the answer to be yes, for whatever reason, but want to pretend they dont want it, the 'just asking questions' silliness you see quite often on the extreme right (though not exclusively there, obviously).
And they may just have public support - all polls to date have seen remarkable support for lockdown
Sorry if I seem rude but I am fed up with this view and I consider it to be crassly selfish. The lives of young people have been fucked enough in the last 12 years to ensure asset prices and pension incomes for baby boomers and above are protected. If you have such a poor understanding of risk that you remain scared of your own shadow then lock yourself up by all means. But don’t you dare criminalise me for exhibiting entirely sensible risk based behaviour, or expect me to celebrate any further interruption to my kids lives so you can feel less scared at night.
Can I just say that at 81 and 76 my wife and I are not considering ourselves but the idea the NHS may well be overwhelmed with all the consequences for everyone needing urgent cancer and other care is a nightmare and everything should be done to stop us descending into that nightmare
And I am not criminalising you and to be honest your tone is a wee bit over the top
In my family, the kids are getting the presents, the tree etc.
No big family get together - but hey, a big family meal isn't that impossible to arrange, in say June.
I am having a lot of trouble seeing this as other than a bit annoying.
Mind you I *have* run out of Grand Cru. So I am left with Premier Cru for Christmas. And some ancient Tokaji...
Can I get compensation?
Premier Cru and ancient Tokaji some like reasonable compensation to me! I have several email adverts from local, and national, wine merchants, promising delivery before Christmas. Plus elder son has sent us 6 bottles of what looks like quite decent S. Italian red. And I picked up what appears to be a pleasant port yesterday. Plan ATM is that we meet Eldest Granddaughter (aged 31) and her father on Christmas Day, approx 40 mins. drive away, in the same county. Even if we can't keep to the plan, we should be able to manage over the festive season.
My one sadness is that I can't do my traditional Boxing day ritual - serve my mother-in-law her favourite wine with the main course. Which is sweet white wine.
She knows nothing of wine, bless her. Just likes what she likes.
I give her the finest desert wines, without telling her what they are. The price would horrify her, I think, since she grew up very poor.
The other side of that is the family wine snob has to watch this, and hold his tongue. Otherwise he gets none, when desert comes.....
This made me smile.
It reminded me of my dear old Dad who equated sweetness in wine with quality. He would swig the sauternes appreciatively with the roast beef. Offer him the finest bordeaux and he'd spit it out - 'Vinegar!
The thing is I only have about 30% confidence whatever rules announced today will stick until Christmas Eve anyway.
We might be ordered to immolate all local hostelries and sacrifice the firstborn by lunchtime on Wednesday.
Difficult. First born is in Tier 3. But I can only get there to sacrifice them by passing through a Tier 2 area. Is there an exemption, or is appeasing the Gods already classed as "essential"?
It seems clear that, if the government wanted to save Christmas, and accepting for the moment that the only tool they have for reducing the spread of the virus is varying degrees of lockdown, that they should have maintained the second lockdown until this weekend. Yet again the government is failing even on its own very limited terms.
It seems clear that, if the government wanted to save Christmas, and accepting for the moment that the only tool they have for reducing the spread of the virus is varying degrees of lockdown, that they should have maintained the second lockdown until this weekend. Yet again the government is failing even on its own very limited terms.
Heretic. What's the point of Christmas without the stress and spiritual emptiness of Christmas shopping?
This really isn't an opportune political moment for Boris to attempt to use sleight of hand to get a series of concessions on the EU deal past the Brexiteers.
New virus strain - really not looking good at all.
Looks like Christmas cancelled. Can't see how we get out of this one - vaccines seem the only hope..
What does really not looking good at all mean?
Our liberty has to be destroyed and our country bankrupted because something 'really does not look good at all?''
It means lot more people are going to die.
If you want to see what the alternative looks like look across the Atlantic. The US has now lost more people than they lost in WW1 and the Vietnam war combined. They are now losing the equivalent of a 9/11 every day.
contrarian firmly believes that Covid was over in America in Mid July.
I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth, matey.
Ah, sorry for misunderstanding you went you repeatedly demand the country open back up and stated that Deaths in the US were less than a tenth of the peak. (By cherry picking a weekend day to get that figure)
Granddaughter-in-law has just had a positive test result.It's her husband's birthday, too. Both teachers, so isolating over the next couple of weeks isn't a problem, although they were going to come and look through our and her parents windows.
This really isn't an opportune political moment for Boris to attempt to use sleight of hand to get a series of concessions on the EU deal past the Brexiteers.
Why not? Or has Mr Rees-Mogg not worked out yet that this isn't the Plague or the Sweating Sickness and there is this thing called ye Zoom? Traditionally the reaction was to prorogue Parliament so the toffs and MPs could clear ouf of London to their landed estates, leaving the proles there ...
This really isn't an opportune political moment for Boris to attempt to use sleight of hand to get a series of concessions on the EU deal past the Brexiteers.
Why not? Or has Mr Rees-Mogg not worked out yet that this isn't the Plague or the Sweating Sickness and there is this thing called ye Zoom? Traditionally the reaction was to prorogue Parliament so the toffs and MPs could clear ouf of London to their landed estates, leaving the proles there ...
Because even his own supporters can see that the emperor has no clothes.
It seems clear that, if the government wanted to save Christmas, and accepting for the moment that the only tool they have for reducing the spread of the virus is varying degrees of lockdown, that they should have maintained the second lockdown until this weekend. Yet again the government is failing even on its own very limited terms.
Heretic. What's the point of Christmas without the stress and spiritual emptiness of Christmas shopping?
All sacrifice must be made to appease the gods by fattening the the DM's Christmas shopping advertising revenues.
Granddaughter-in-law has just had a positive test result.It's her husband's birthday, too. Both teachers, so isolating over the next couple of weeks isn't a problem, although they were going to come and look through our and her parents windows.
This isn't easy for the Gov't, but the way teachers have been thrown under the bus has been disgusting.
This really isn't an opportune political moment for Boris to attempt to use sleight of hand to get a series of concessions on the EU deal past the Brexiteers.
Or for tier 4 to include restrictions on the movements of journalists covering Kent in January.
I don't actually believe that, just a cynical thought
It seems clear that, if the government wanted to save Christmas, and accepting for the moment that the only tool they have for reducing the spread of the virus is varying degrees of lockdown, that they should have maintained the second lockdown until this weekend. Yet again the government is failing even on its own very limited terms.
Heretic. What's the point of Christmas without the stress and spiritual emptiness of Christmas shopping?
All sacrifice must be made to appease the gods by fattening the the DM's Christmas shopping advertising revenues.
I am in favour of abolishing Christmas and replacing it with mandatory church attendance.
The scientists were baffled why Hancock announced the new strain in the House of Commons, the message to papers to put mutant virus on the front pages, considering its not the first time COVID had mutated, and its hardly a scientific shock, and a surprise to the scientific community the politicians were being so alarmist.
It was to set up a news narrative that allowed cover for a political u turn, “we made a mistake with the five days, but how can we get out of it” get out clause.
It seems clear that, if the government wanted to save Christmas, and accepting for the moment that the only tool they have for reducing the spread of the virus is varying degrees of lockdown, that they should have maintained the second lockdown until this weekend. Yet again the government is failing even on its own very limited terms.
Heretic. What's the point of Christmas without the stress and spiritual emptiness of Christmas shopping?
All sacrifice must be made to appease the gods by fattening the the DM's Christmas shopping advertising revenues.
I am in favour of abolishing Christmas and replacing it with mandatory church attendance.
possible they’ve ditched the London/se tier 4 & agreed a uk-wide lockdown instead?
Its because following advice from his Union Czar HYUFD the PM is going to announce that Scotland will go into a special tier where acts that spread the new pox strain (identified by Porton Down scientists as voting SNP) will be punished by crushing by tank, driven personally by HYUFD.
Boris says London and SE moving to Tier 4 so non essential retail closing and no travel outside the Tier, no overnight stays but communal worship can continue.
People should carefully consider if they travel abroad and Tier 4 area residents cannot travel abroad.
No mixing of households in Tier 4 over Christmas except in bubbles, only 2 households can mix outside.
Honestly, Boris delivery once again dreadful. Sturgeon is going to cancel Christmas and demand the sacrifice of every first born and will seem more relatable, human and competent.
Churches were closed at Easter. That is the more religious of the two and services moved online. Do it again.
Well, I can't think what it is if it isn't pandering to the ERG and the like. It's not as if they were very worried aboout other religions before (e.g. Eid).
Honestly, Boris delivery once again dreadful. Sturgeon is going to cancel Christmas and demand the sacrifice of every first born and will seem more relatable, human and competent.
Where the fuck did communal worship come from. Does he think SCOTUS decisions are important here lol ?
Yeah it's mental, it means we need much tougher social distancing measures or to close schools to keep the R at or below 1. I really hope this stays contained in the UK because we might be able to control this with a fast vaccine rollout, in other countries it could be a huge, huge disaster.
Honestly, Boris delivery once again dreadful. Sturgeon is going to cancel Christmas and demand the sacrifice of every first born and will seem more relatable, human and competent.
Where the fuck did communal worship come from. Does he think SCOTUS decisions are important here lol ?
Various commentators have been screaming blue murder about "Criminalising worship" like the morons they are.
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We might be ordered to immolate all local hostelries and sacrifice the firstborn by lunchtime on Wednesday.
It's also the sort of fake question someone asks when they very much want the answer to be yes, for whatever reason, but want to pretend they dont want it, the 'just asking questions' silliness you see quite often on the extreme right (though not exclusively there, obviously).
If that means screw top dry white plonk from the corner shop with steak - go for it.
It nearly 1.2 decades ago in the noughties. Since then we have been through the entire 2010s decade and are now almost a year into the 2020s already.
Is there an exemption, or is appeasing the Gods already classed as "essential"?
Now, without the tourists flooding in, it's pleasantly and morbidly quiet.
Nippy is doing an excellent job in Scotland, so no need to do any more.
Immediate lockdown in Northern Ireland after Christmas.
Cancelling Christmas isn't on Boris' agenda. Bolstered tiers from the 28th to combat the new Drakeford strain of Covid perhaps
Oh dear oh dear.
Sturgeon press conference at 5.30
She doesn’t do Saturdays normally
possible they’ve ditched the London/se tier 4 & agreed a uk-wide lockdown instead?
I don't actually believe that, just a cynical thought
Your mileage may vary as to which one is the giving and which one is the taking.
Twat
I am an atheist.
The scientists were baffled why Hancock announced the new strain in the House of Commons, the message to papers to put mutant virus on the front pages, considering its not the first time COVID had mutated, and its hardly a scientific shock, and a surprise to the scientific community the politicians were being so alarmist.
It was to set up a news narrative that allowed cover for a political u turn, “we made a mistake with the five days, but how can we get out of it” get out clause.
Clever. 👏🏻
Rebellious Scots to Crush. Literally.
People should carefully consider if they travel abroad and Tier 4 area residents cannot travel abroad.
No mixing of households in Tier 4 over Christmas except in bubbles, only 2 households can mix outside.
No relaxation for New Year's eve either
How about THE LONDON PLAGUE
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1340329822510329858?s=20
Churches were closed at Easter. That is the more religious of the two and services moved online. Do it again.
And this is the new variant hence the dramatic changes
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1340316804191797251?s=20
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1340331760886935553?s=20
road blocks?
Full national lockdown all nations from 28 Dec.
Need to cancel first school half term to end Feb.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?