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The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.1 -
Not far offMarqueeMark said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have never watched Die Hard and not been in a Cinema for more than 40 yearsRichard_Tyndall said:
Also the view of Mark Kermode. Even if Willis himself disagrees. But then he is just an actor.guybrush said:
The pianist at the front? Gone now.....0 -
Really we should put all funding into swimming and finding the freakiest human mutants possible - there's so many swimming medals at stake you can get very high in the tables on that alone, particularly as most rank by gold medals, not total medals.FrancisUrquhart said:So we are going to now disadvantage the UK in winning medals all in the name of diversity. The UK is never going to come close to winning an Olympic medal in things like basketball.
The whole reason the UK has had a series of successful Olympics is exactly because the concentration of funding sports where we are truly worldclass and that funding can make the difference between a medal and not....the South Korean approach.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round0 -
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government0 -
That seems like it should not be legal. Like phony recommended retailing prices so a 'sale' shows a big drop.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
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They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.1 -
Replace Tory for Labour and you'd be here attacking themturbotubbs said:
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government0 -
On this Government's record we can expect very few houses to be built, FTTP coverage to be low and the economy to be in a mess.
Such is the record of a Government that under-delivers on every measure.0 -
As I said a couple of weeks ago, the company behind MyProtein, that is their whole business model.kle4 said:
That seems like it should not be legal. Like phony recommended retailing prices so a 'sale' shows a big drop.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
I also notice more and more brands who target their marketing via social media influencers. The price is never the price, because everybody has a code to give out that gives 30-40-50% off.
I had a business that used affiliates to market, but we never jacked up prices like that or offered affiliates codes with more than ~10% off. Obviously missing a trick on a fake inflated price approach.2 -
How come you know so much about what I’d be doing? It’s your relentless negativity about the situation that pisses me off.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Replace Tory for Labour and you'd be here attacking themturbotubbs said:
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government0 -
It is a nonsense statement.turbotubbs said:
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government
Wise to see how it evolves over the next months and when oin 2021 other countries start vaccinating in big numbers0 -
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.0 -
Because it's obvious.turbotubbs said:
How come you know so much about what I’d be doing? It’s your relentless negativity about the situation that pisses me off.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Replace Tory for Labour and you'd be here attacking themturbotubbs said:
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government0 -
What is obvious?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Because it's obvious.turbotubbs said:
How come you know so much about what I’d be doing? It’s your relentless negativity about the situation that pisses me off.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Replace Tory for Labour and you'd be here attacking themturbotubbs said:
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government0 -
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.3 -
To you maybeCorrectHorseBattery said:
Because it's obvious.turbotubbs said:
How come you know so much about what I’d be doing? It’s your relentless negativity about the situation that pisses me off.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Replace Tory for Labour and you'd be here attacking themturbotubbs said:
Easter is a long long way away. Maybe wait a while before describing the vaccination program as a failure?CorrectHorseBattery said:
PB Tories are going to have yet another promise that has aged badly just days later, it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
They support a lemon of a Government2 -
I know that, but they still queue up outside in the cold.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.0 -
Now that is unalloyed good news.CorrectHorseBattery said:5 -
Is it? They've always made me wait at least 5-10 minutes.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.0 -
It has come to something when maintaining the trading status quo, a status quo achieved by EU not British negotiators, with a number of countries is seen as some sort of major achievement. Still, we're in the land of the blind these days so she deserves one small cheer for doing what Liam Fox so dismally failed to do. She did not distinguish herself as Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary, however.Morris_Dancer said:Truss appears to have done well with the trade agreements. However, she needs to continue that momentum (or do well in a new role) for her odds and leadership prospects to improve further.
Would today be a good day to repost this header from earlier this year?DavidL said:Burnham seems to have lost his Chief Constable as well as about 80k offences.
https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/01/17/a-toxic-culture/
Or this - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/10/13/the-tyranny-of-low-expectations/
Yes it would.
We can add this latest police scandal to all the many others there have been over the years. I doubt this will be the last such, no matter how many "lessons" are "learned".
Note that the Chief Constable resigned not because he felt he was at fault or should take responsibility as the man at the top but because he felt he was not the person to take the force through the changes needed. I hope this was said to salve his wounded pride. But I doubt it. The last thing anyone should be worrying about after such a report is the wounded pride of the man at the top.
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Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:1 -
And rain. I did anyway last Saturday.turbotubbs said:
I know that, but they still queue up outside in the cold.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.
But I am not complaining - quite the opposite. I was pleased to be able to queue outside with the wind at 90 degrees to the line. Too many idiots talkign their heads off and/or not putting masks on till jsut about to go in, or taking them off the instant they went out the door although going close to us.0 -
This is not true. You may have to wait 15 minutes after a flu vaccine, depending on your medical history.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.
Obviously -- in the real world as opposed to TSE-fantasy world -- the waiting is not done in the cold.0 -
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
It's pretty unreasonable to expect there to be no significant rise in unemployment. Normal in this context surely means in terms of covid-19 restrictions, not for all impacts of covid-19 to become non-existent.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:2 -
I have the annual flu shot, it has always been in and out for me, I guess I'm fortunate I usually have a doctor with me there and back.YBarddCwsc said:
This is not true. You may have to wait 15 minutes after a flu vaccine, depending on your medical history.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.
Obviously -- in the real world as opposed to TSE-fantasy world -- the waiting is not done in the cold.
I didn't say the waiting is done out in the cold.0 -
Does it say what the new evidence is?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The current virus growth rate in London requires urgent action no matter whether it's due to the new strain or not.0 -
The country cannot get back to addressing the economic crisis until most of the populace are vaccinatedCorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Hopefully that should be possible by the summer1 -
I guess you're going to be shocked by this story?Cyclefree said:
It has come to something when maintaining the trading status quo, a status quo achieved by EU not British negotiators, with a number of countries is seen as some sort of major achievement. Still, we're in the land of the blind these days so she deserves one small cheer for doing what Liam Fox so dismally failed to do. She did not distinguish herself as Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary, however.Morris_Dancer said:Truss appears to have done well with the trade agreements. However, she needs to continue that momentum (or do well in a new role) for her odds and leadership prospects to improve further.
Would today be a good day to repost this header from earlier this year?DavidL said:Burnham seems to have lost his Chief Constable as well as about 80k offences.
https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/01/17/a-toxic-culture/
Or this - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/10/13/the-tyranny-of-low-expectations/
Yes it would.
We can add this latest police scandal to all the many others there have been over the years. I doubt this will be the last such, no matter how many "lessons" are "learned".
Note that the Chief Constable resigned not because he felt he was at fault or should take responsibility as the man at the top but because he felt he was not the person to take the force through the changes needed. I hope this was said to salve his wounded pride. But I doubt it. The last thing anyone should be worrying about after such a report is the wounded pride of the man at the top.
Six Hampshire police officers guilty of misconduct over offensive comments
Officers in elite unit were recorded making racist, homophobic and sexist remarks
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/18/six-hampshire-police-officers-guilty-of-misconduct-over-offensive-comments1 -
Lonely heart ad of the future:TheScreamingEagles said:
I want to die on my 100th birthday and I want my wife to be so upset that she cancels her 21st birthday party as a mark of respect.Casino_Royale said:
Peacefully in my sleep in my 90s or later please.kinabalu said:
A truly nice vision. I have always fancied toppling off a Cornish clifftop at a great age but I bet if I were to reach that great age I would change my mind. I'd keep putting it off. I probably wouldn't even risk going to Cornwall.Luckyguy1983 said:It is said that humans should live to about 120. You live a full life, keep your marbles, and at around 120, white haired and bearded (not the ladies!), you get very thoughtful and spiritual for a few days, and then at some point just quietly depart physical existence. That's the ideal.
Yes, it'd be a shock to my descendents but I'd rather be in very good health up until then and then not know anything about it.
99 year old corporate lawyer wanted for marriage, must enjoy 20 year old girls and have heart condition. Please send picture of ECG...
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If they're not armed then they're no navy gunboatsScott_xP said:0 -
The point you made is incorrect (as kle4 has also pointed out).TheScreamingEagles said:
I have the annual flu shot, it has always been in and out for me, I guess I'm fortunate I usually have a doctor with me there and back.YBarddCwsc said:
This is not true. You may have to wait 15 minutes after a flu vaccine, depending on your medical history.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.
Obviously -- in the real world as opposed to TSE-fantasy world -- the waiting is not done in the cold.
I didn't say the waiting is done out in the cold.
It is not true that a flu jab is in and out. It depends on your medical history.0 -
One of the notable features of NHS planning is that they always assume they have a closed system where patients just appear at the gate. The issues of getting to and from their facilities don’t figure.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.1 -
Tory economic incompetence for the last decade will make it worse than it needed to be, can't blame Labour for that - no doubt they will try.kle4 said:
It's pretty unreasonable to expect there to be no significant rise in unemployment. Normal in this context surely means in terms of covid-19 restrictions, not for all impacts of covid-19 to become non-existent.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Hope you're right on getting everyone vaccinated though.0 -
Alright then, back to not wearing a mask, being able hug people, a full ground at the footy/rugby/cricket/darts, popping into the local for a chat, all while being ground down by the relentless oppressive unemployment and national debt. I have every sympathy with anyone who has, is or will suffer in these awful times. It’s horrible. No one wanted this year. But allow people to cheer good news for heavens sake. Or are you too bitter and twisted to even allow that?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:2 -
I am the same. My neighbour is the local practice nurse and she says that their normal rate is one patient every 2 minutes during the flu jab campaign. Thy aim to do 150 patients a session at 2 evening sessions per week plus normal practice hours sessions for those who don't want or can't come out in the evenings. Tis is designed to limit the disruption to the normal operation of the surgery.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have the annual flu shot, it has always been in and out for me, I guess I'm fortunate I usually have a doctor with me there and back.YBarddCwsc said:
This is not true. You may have to wait 15 minutes after a flu vaccine, depending on your medical history.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.
Obviously -- in the real world as opposed to TSE-fantasy world -- the waiting is not done in the cold.
I didn't say the waiting is done out in the cold.
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That's all pennies compared to the costs of the virus. Surprised even Moderna is being reasonable.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Our surgery asks my wife and I to sit down for ten minutes after our injections - maybe it is an age thingYBarddCwsc said:
This is not true. You may have to wait 15 minutes after a flu vaccine, depending on your medical history.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.
Obviously -- in the real world as opposed to TSE-fantasy world -- the waiting is not done in the cold.0 -
I will be very glad if we get lots vaccinated but we will not be back to "normal" for a long time, at least for many. That's all.turbotubbs said:
Alright then, back to not wearing a mask, being able hug people, a full ground at the footy/rugby/cricket/darts, popping into the local for a chat, all while being ground down by the relentless oppressive unemployment and national debt. I have every sympathy with anyone who has, is or will suffer in these awful times. It’s horrible. No one wanted this year. But allow people to cheer good news for heavens sake. Or are you too bitter and twisted to even allow that?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Is that Boris being handed an open vial of alarming new strain evidence?!CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Do they mean virulence (as in harmfulness) or its rate of spreading?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
It would be a shame if, after having been first off, we are shown up and overtaken by other countries for dint of their much better organisation.1
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Xmas u-turn incoming????1
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Bad news, but almost convenient for him politically in giving him cover with the backbenchers and headlines he seems terrified of, without saying it is all the public's fault for being irresponsible.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
I was clearly referring to the restrictions. I think you see what you want in what others post.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I will be very glad if we get lots vaccinated but we will not be back to "normal" for a long time, at least for many. That's all.turbotubbs said:
Alright then, back to not wearing a mask, being able hug people, a full ground at the footy/rugby/cricket/darts, popping into the local for a chat, all while being ground down by the relentless oppressive unemployment and national debt. I have every sympathy with anyone who has, is or will suffer in these awful times. It’s horrible. No one wanted this year. But allow people to cheer good news for heavens sake. Or are you too bitter and twisted to even allow that?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:3 -
As a proud pleb, I'll settle for the sentiment over accuracy.YBarddCwsc said:
Carthago, Carthiginis is a feminine noun. Hence, Carthago delenda est.Tres said:
Johnson delenda est.MarqueeMark said:
There are 20% of the population like TSE and Scott_P who will never, ever be gracious enough to acknowledge that Boris could ever do anything even grudgingly worth acknowledging. Even protecting them from a killer pandemic.Mexicanpete said:CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1339993242134335488
Truly abysmal numbers for BoJo there.
The economy number is much, much better than I anticipated. All down to Rishi's free money.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1339993242134335488
Truly abysmal numbers for BoJo there.
Just 80% approval for the vaccine? To be fair to Johnson that is ingratious. Probably more by accident than design he has done well with vaccines.
Johnson is not. I think you need to check the case ending of your gerundive.😀0 -
The latter, no evidence of the former.rottenborough said:
Do they mean virulence (as in harmfulness) or its rate of spreading?CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/18/new-covid-strain-coronavirus-mutation-variant-symptoms-vaccine/0 -
I misunderstood, apologies then.turbotubbs said:
I was clearly referring to the restrictions. I think you see what you want in what others post.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I will be very glad if we get lots vaccinated but we will not be back to "normal" for a long time, at least for many. That's all.turbotubbs said:
Alright then, back to not wearing a mask, being able hug people, a full ground at the footy/rugby/cricket/darts, popping into the local for a chat, all while being ground down by the relentless oppressive unemployment and national debt. I have every sympathy with anyone who has, is or will suffer in these awful times. It’s horrible. No one wanted this year. But allow people to cheer good news for heavens sake. Or are you too bitter and twisted to even allow that?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:2 -
But there's also the fact that people need hope. Vaccinated by Easter gives people hope, it's not that far away and can encourage people to hunker down for winter.FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.0 -
kle4 said:
Really we should put all funding into swimming and finding the freakiest human mutants possible - there's so many swimming medals at stake you can get very high in the tables on that alone, particularly as most rank by gold medals, not total medals.FrancisUrquhart said:So we are going to now disadvantage the UK in winning medals all in the name of diversity. The UK is never going to come close to winning an Olympic medal in things like basketball.
The whole reason the UK has had a series of successful Olympics is exactly because the concentration of funding sports where we are truly worldclass and that funding can make the difference between a medal and not....the South Korean approach.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round
Mmm. Full size pools not restricted to private members in every LA area might be a pre-requisite first.kle4 said:
Really we should put all funding into swimming and finding the freakiest human mutants possible - there's so many swimming medals at stake you can get very high in the tables on that alone, particularly as most rank by gold medals, not total medals.FrancisUrquhart said:So we are going to now disadvantage the UK in winning medals all in the name of diversity. The UK is never going to come close to winning an Olympic medal in things like basketball.
The whole reason the UK has had a series of successful Olympics is exactly because the concentration of funding sports where we are truly worldclass and that funding can make the difference between a medal and not....the South Korean approach.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/dec/18/basketball-surfing-and-skateboarding-get-extra-in-olympic-funding-round1 -
Accepted😌👍CorrectHorseBattery said:
I misunderstood, apologies then.turbotubbs said:
I was clearly referring to the restrictions. I think you see what you want in what others post.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I will be very glad if we get lots vaccinated but we will not be back to "normal" for a long time, at least for many. That's all.turbotubbs said:
Alright then, back to not wearing a mask, being able hug people, a full ground at the footy/rugby/cricket/darts, popping into the local for a chat, all while being ground down by the relentless oppressive unemployment and national debt. I have every sympathy with anyone who has, is or will suffer in these awful times. It’s horrible. No one wanted this year. But allow people to cheer good news for heavens sake. Or are you too bitter and twisted to even allow that?CorrectHorseBattery said:
You and I have very different definitions of normal. How many unemployed and how much austerity is on the way?turbotubbs said:
Will genuinely transform the ease of vaccination. Game changer. Back to normal by early summer.CorrectHorseBattery said:
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Nah. That sort of stuff used to be my normal Monday morning reading or listening material. I've heard, read and seen very much worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess you're going to be shocked by this story?Cyclefree said:
It has come to something when maintaining the trading status quo, a status quo achieved by EU not British negotiators, with a number of countries is seen as some sort of major achievement. Still, we're in the land of the blind these days so she deserves one small cheer for doing what Liam Fox so dismally failed to do. She did not distinguish herself as Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary, however.Morris_Dancer said:Truss appears to have done well with the trade agreements. However, she needs to continue that momentum (or do well in a new role) for her odds and leadership prospects to improve further.
Would today be a good day to repost this header from earlier this year?DavidL said:Burnham seems to have lost his Chief Constable as well as about 80k offences.
https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/01/17/a-toxic-culture/
Or this - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/10/13/the-tyranny-of-low-expectations/
Yes it would.
We can add this latest police scandal to all the many others there have been over the years. I doubt this will be the last such, no matter how many "lessons" are "learned".
Note that the Chief Constable resigned not because he felt he was at fault or should take responsibility as the man at the top but because he felt he was not the person to take the force through the changes needed. I hope this was said to salve his wounded pride. But I doubt it. The last thing anyone should be worrying about after such a report is the wounded pride of the man at the top.
Six Hampshire police officers guilty of misconduct over offensive comments
Officers in elite unit were recorded making racist, homophobic and sexist remarks
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/18/six-hampshire-police-officers-guilty-of-misconduct-over-offensive-comments0 -
Transmissibility.rottenborough said:
Do they mean virulence (as in harmfulness) or its rate of spreading?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
But surely your rhetoric is much more potent if the listener doesn't stop dead mentally when the words don't have the same and consistent gender? It's like reading "An example is the trains on the East Coast line". The listener or reader is too busy to work out what has gone wrong to be stunned by your oratory as a tribune of the plebs. the Gracchi and C. Julius Caesar would never have disdained to get their genders straight.Tres said:
As a proud pleb, I'll settle for the sentiment over accuracy.YBarddCwsc said:
Carthago, Carthiginis is a feminine noun. Hence, Carthago delenda est.Tres said:
Johnson delenda est.MarqueeMark said:
There are 20% of the population like TSE and Scott_P who will never, ever be gracious enough to acknowledge that Boris could ever do anything even grudgingly worth acknowledging. Even protecting them from a killer pandemic.Mexicanpete said:CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1339993242134335488
Truly abysmal numbers for BoJo there.
The economy number is much, much better than I anticipated. All down to Rishi's free money.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1339993242134335488
Truly abysmal numbers for BoJo there.
Just 80% approval for the vaccine? To be fair to Johnson that is ingratious. Probably more by accident than design he has done well with vaccines.
Johnson is not. I think you need to check the case ending of your gerundive.😀0 -
Classic Boris reactive decision....he if had cancelled Christmas Monday, he would have got some credit, now the PR looks terrible and captain hindsight will be along to say told you so. I did joke about him doing this on the 23rd...1
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However much of a shame it would be, I'm sure some would only find glee in reporting whom they would blame.IanB2 said:It would be a shame if, after having been first off, we are shown up and overtaken by other countries for dint of their much better organisation.
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Ghost of Christmas Future got in early this year I think.rottenborough said:Xmas u-turn incoming????
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Yet we were continually told on PB that replicating the EU trade deals would be impossible.Cyclefree said:
It has come to something when maintaining the trading status quo, a status quo achieved by EU not British negotiators, with a number of countries is seen as some sort of major achievement. Still, we're in the land of the blind these days so she deserves one small cheer for doing what Liam Fox so dismally failed to do. She did not distinguish herself as Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary, however.Morris_Dancer said:Truss appears to have done well with the trade agreements. However, she needs to continue that momentum (or do well in a new role) for her odds and leadership prospects to improve further.
Not to mention that replicating those deals is only the first step - you can then look to build and improve upon them.
Its not as if we need to worry about the interests of olive oil producers any more for example.3 -
Thanks.IshmaelZ said:
Transmissibility.rottenborough said:
Do they mean virulence (as in harmfulness) or its rate of spreading?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I guess 2020 aint done with us yet.
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When the Boris haters (in which I include all non tories and all against Brexit) smugly report on their perceived failings of the government on anything Covid or Brexit related, is that a kind of schadenfreude?TrèsDifficile said:
However much of a shame it would be, I'm sure some would only find glee in reporting whom they would blame.IanB2 said:It would be a shame if, after having been first off, we are shown up and overtaken by other countries for dint of their much better organisation.
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Boris is totally the wrong leader for this time. Putting aside his personal failing of laziness etc, his core instincts arr wrong, that of liberty and to his core against the idea of locking people down and restricting their freedoms.
People say Boris is a popularist and he is, but on COVID time and time again the polls show the popular opinion is lock us down, yesterday (as long as you pay us)....and time and time again Boris chooses the, no lets wait a bit longer3 -
I got my doctorate, and a job in Sydney.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did my A Levels.rcs1000 said:
What happened in 1997?stodge said:
Yes, I remember all the commentators saying in the summer of 1992 the Conservatives were the natural party of Government and Labour the natural party of Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting.
I'm planning an article on why Labour may never win again.
One Telegraph piece envisaged John Major still being PM in 2001 having won his third General Election.
Remind me what happened in 1997?0 -
[deleted - just too angry that copying exactly the same as before is aeen as a truimph after years and years of sitting on their collective thumbs]another_richard said:
Yet we were continually told on PB that replicating the EU trade deals would be impossible.Cyclefree said:
It has come to something when maintaining the trading status quo, a status quo achieved by EU not British negotiators, with a number of countries is seen as some sort of major achievement. Still, we're in the land of the blind these days so she deserves one small cheer for doing what Liam Fox so dismally failed to do. She did not distinguish herself as Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary, however.Morris_Dancer said:Truss appears to have done well with the trade agreements. However, she needs to continue that momentum (or do well in a new role) for her odds and leadership prospects to improve further.
Not to mention that replicating those deals is only the first step - you can then look to build and improve upon them.
Its not as if we need to worry about the interests of olive oil producers any more for example.0 -
More infectious is a better way of describing this than more virulent imho.kle4 said:
Bad news, but almost convenient for him politically in giving him cover with the backbenchers and headlines he seems terrified of, without saying it is all the public's fault for being irresponsible.CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
It might be interesting to know where this new strain of covid originated.
I do hope we haven't imported it for the third time.0 -
Infectiousness, so far there's no evidence that it's more deadly or vaccine resistant.rottenborough said:
Do they mean virulence (as in harmfulness) or its rate of spreading?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
I am not surprised whatsoever you're a smart person, it suits your writing style.eristdoof said:
I got my doctorate, and a job in Sydney.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did my A Levels.rcs1000 said:
What happened in 1997?stodge said:
Yes, I remember all the commentators saying in the summer of 1992 the Conservatives were the natural party of Government and Labour the natural party of Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting.
I'm planning an article on why Labour may never win again.
One Telegraph piece envisaged John Major still being PM in 2001 having won his third General Election.
Remind me what happened in 1997?0 -
Surely more likely (and more productive) to have a January lockdown from the 27th?FrancisUrquhart said:Classic Boris reactive decision....he if had cancelled Christmas Monday, he would have got some credit, now the PR looks terrible and captain hindsight will be along to say told you so. I did joke about him doing this on the 23rd...
If you're going to have a lockdown then implement it before NYE.0 -
You are SeanT and I claim my 5 poundsTheScreamingEagles said:
I want to die on my 100th birthday and I want my wife to be so upset that she cancels her 21st birthday party as a mark of respect.Casino_Royale said:
Peacefully in my sleep in my 90s or later please.kinabalu said:
A truly nice vision. I have always fancied toppling off a Cornish clifftop at a great age but I bet if I were to reach that great age I would change my mind. I'd keep putting it off. I probably wouldn't even risk going to Cornwall.Luckyguy1983 said:It is said that humans should live to about 120. You live a full life, keep your marbles, and at around 120, white haired and bearded (not the ladies!), you get very thoughtful and spiritual for a few days, and then at some point just quietly depart physical existence. That's the ideal.
Yes, it'd be a shock to my descendents but I'd rather be in very good health up until then and then not know anything about it.1 -
Time to cancel this 5 day free pass. It's going to result in so many unnecessary hospitalisations and deaths.0
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So what's your view on Burnham, Jarvis etc wanting to reduce current restrictions in northern England ?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
"How Iceland hammered COVID with science
The tiny island nation brought huge scientific heft to its attempts to contain and study the coronavirus. Here’s what it learnt."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03284-32 -
More infectious but less dangerous wouldn't be a bad combination.rottenborough said:
More infectious is a better way of describing this than more virulent imho.kle4 said:
Bad news, but almost convenient for him politically in giving him cover with the backbenchers and headlines he seems terrified of, without saying it is all the public's fault for being irresponsible.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Though the vulnerable would have to be told to shield while its spreading.0 -
I bearly stopped walking.kle4 said:
Is it? They've always made me wait at least 5-10 minutes.TheScreamingEagles said:
But the flu shot doesn't come with a 15 minute waiting period for reactions.turbotubbs said:
Tbf they do that at our surgery for the flu shot.TheScreamingEagles said:
They genuinely thought every GP surgery was homogenous (on a physical building level) which is one of the logistical issues, I mean who thinks having a bunch of OAPs stood outside surgeries in the winter would be a good idea?FrancisUrquhart said:
The overpromise was totally unnecessary. I don't know why they haven't learned yet, whatever somebody like PHE tell them, build in a sizeable delay / margin for error. At best, you say, wow amazing work, we smashed it. At worse, you meet your target.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry to hear that, I did mention I had heard stuff like this before.Benpointer said:Vaccine update:
Mrs P's 88 year old father, who was given an appointment for his first Covid shot next Tuesday, was called by the GP practice today and told the appointment was going to be rearranged for after Christmas, date tbc. ☹️
Supply issues apparently. I hope it's not a sign of things to come.
There's also this story in The Times.
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1339873230883045377
The government are likely to have overpromised and underdelivered once again.
The irony is that the government's approach to vaccine was genuinely world beating.
Its called doing a RyanAir. Never late, because they build in a sizeable delay to every journey to the quoted travel time.
With flu shots it is in and out.0 -
Wrong, the entire UK should lock down together.another_richard said:
So what's your view on Burnham, Jarvis etc wanting to reduce current restrictions in northern England ?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
What an f*ing mess. Yet again Johnson and co have made an epic balls up.MaxPB said:Time to cancel this 5 day free pass. It's going to result in so many unnecessary hospitalisations and deaths.
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Maybe time for the four nations to limit Christmas to no more than 3 days and to only gather with close family - no distance travelMaxPB said:Time to cancel this 5 day free pass. It's going to result in so many unnecessary hospitalisations and deaths.
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UK Sport decisions on funding for Paris 2024 signal a move towards greater diversity and winning "the right way", says chair Dame Katherine Grainger.
Paris 2024: UK Sport funding decisions signals shift towards greater diversity and winning 'the right way' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/55371552
Better get ready to back to the bad old days of UK winnig bugger all then....because elite sport you don't win "the right way", you win because of talent, dedication and utter single minded ruthlessness to be the best.
The Americans, the Chinese, the Australians won't be worrying about niceties. To win at most Olympic sports in the modern era the margins are absolutely tiny.3 -
I left New York on 31 August to return to live in London, arriving early the morning of 1 September to a news shitstorm.eristdoof said:
I got my doctorate, and a job in Sydney.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did my A Levels.rcs1000 said:
What happened in 1997?stodge said:
Yes, I remember all the commentators saying in the summer of 1992 the Conservatives were the natural party of Government and Labour the natural party of Opposition.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting.
I'm planning an article on why Labour may never win again.
One Telegraph piece envisaged John Major still being PM in 2001 having won his third General Election.
Remind me what happened in 1997?0 -
It is time for Johnson to show some leadership and stop running away.
Cancel the advice and tell everyone to stay at home.0 -
Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I get the sense that people might be having second thoughts about Christmas. Think of it like a late swing back to the government as election day approaches.MaxPB said:Time to cancel this 5 day free pass. It's going to result in so many unnecessary hospitalisations and deaths.
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Seem to be a lot of journos with the same exclusive.0
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A very interesting article. Notice the two usual suspects amongs the parade of villains...Andy_JS said:"How Iceland hammered COVID with science
The tiny island nation brought huge scientific heft to its attempts to contain and study the coronavirus. Here’s what it learnt."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03284-3
1. "The World Health Organization had just announced that an estimated 3.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 would die — a shockingly high fatality rate, some 30 times larger than that for seasonal influenza.There was a problem with that estimate, however: it was based on reported cases of COVID-19, rather than all cases, including mild and asymptomatic infections. “I couldn’t figure out how they could calculate it out without knowing the spread of the virus,” recalls Stefánsson"
The WHO has been disgracefully poor. It needs to be reconstituted from scratch to make it competent.
2. "On 28 February, a man returning from a skiing holiday in northeastern Italy tested positive for the virus. Within a week, the number of cases had climbed from 1 to 47, the opening notes of a coming crescendo..."
It was the fucking skiers, as usual, who infected the country.1 -
People are bored of covid.rottenborough said:
What an f*ing mess. Yet again Johnson and co have made an epic balls up.MaxPB said:Time to cancel this 5 day free pass. It's going to result in so many unnecessary hospitalisations and deaths.
They're going to meet whether allowed to or not.2 -
iirc virus have a tendency to mutate to more infectious but less fatal.another_richard said:
More infectious but less dangerous wouldn't be a bad combination.rottenborough said:
More infectious is a better way of describing this than more virulent imho.kle4 said:
Bad news, but almost convenient for him politically in giving him cover with the backbenchers and headlines he seems terrified of, without saying it is all the public's fault for being irresponsible.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Though the vulnerable would have to be told to shield while its spreading.0 -
How can anyone swing toward the government when no-one knows where it is standing and where it is standing now won’t be where it is standing tomorrow?tlg86 said:
Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I get the sense that people might be having second thoughts about Christmas. Think of it like a late swing back to the government as election day approaches.MaxPB said:Time to cancel this 5 day free pass. It's going to result in so many unnecessary hospitalisations and deaths.
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It would be a great shame, considering our centrally organised top down health service model. Poor outcomes for cancer etc. is one thing - not being able to get identical jabs in arms is quite another. If it can't do that, what's it for?IanB2 said:It would be a shame if, after having been first off, we are shown up and overtaken by other countries for dint of their much better organisation.
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I think we should set up antiCovidiot Patrols. During my 15 minute walk to the shops and back earlier I encountered 7 groups of fools. 2 groups of kids, around ten in each group, outdoors but stood about a foot between them and blocking pathways through a garden. 4 I presume family groups of 3-5 walking side by side along the pavement, filling its width without masks and shouting to each other. 1 group of I think three families stood outside the main entrance/exit shouting to each other without masks and in the way of everybody else.
I would have loved to have had some official antiCovidiot Patrol power that I could have harangued them, photographed them, and shamed them with.0 -
You do know he cannot do that don't youCorrectHorseBattery said:It is time for Johnson to show some leadership and stop running away.
Cancel the advice and tell everyone to stay at home.
England yes but it is not in his remit in Scotland, Wales and NI
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