This isn’t going to go down well in White House – Trump named “Loser of the Year” – politicalbetting

TheScreamingEagles said:

Much worse news for Trump today is this.

https://twitter.com/davidenrich/status/1337363827550277634

Will Donald and Hunter Biden end up sharing a cell?

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1337468787277377542?s=20

TheScreamingEagles said:

Much worse news for Trump today is this.

You'd have thought that Republican Party elected representatives and officials would have already been well on the road of distancing themselves from the inevitable reputational disaster, now that Trump is officially a loser. It's really odd and very worrying that many of them are, instead, doubling down in supporting him, even in his raving bonkers claims of electoral fraud.

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Indeed. We only went to tiers 9 days ago as well. A 3 week extension of lockdown lite up to Christmas ought to have been a no brainer.
Unfortunately, many had none.

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

I suppose they could subcontract the protection duties to some locals.

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Hey, I had to look that up!

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

I wonder how Trump's execution spree will go down with his fellow prisoners.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Carnyx said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Hey, I had to look that up!

Is it one of those TSE references that one regrets looking up?

Well, put it this way, it’s one of those acts that would get a reluctant Turkish conscript off military service.

logical_song said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

I wonder how Trump's execution spree will go down with his fellow prisoners.

I didn’t know you could be executed for tax fraud.

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Retired prezes get Secret Service protection by act of Congress. In 1996 it was limited to just ten years from leaving office but was put back to life-time in 2013. Congress could chose to enact that it is forfeited under certain conditions. The rationale for the protection is to prevent the country from being blackmailed through terroristic threats to its former leaders, so Congress could certainly argue that that doesn't apply if the potential target is under lock and key.

Such a shame. Trump and Johnson. This could have been the beginning of beautiful friendship.

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-domaindev-st_emea&hsimp=yhs-st_emea&hspart=domaindev&p=This+could+be+the+beginning+of+a+beautful+friendship#id=2&vid=1169a875233f172c97312feefeaa3b67&action=click

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Retired prezes get Secret Service protection by act of Congress. In 1996 it was limited to just ten years from leaving office but was put back to life-time in 2013. Congress could chose to enact that it is forfeited under certain conditions. The rationale for the protection is to prevent the country from being blackmailed through terroristic threats to its former leaders, so Congress could certainly argue that that doesn't apply if the potential target is under lock and key.

Does that apply to relatives?

Richard_Nabavi said:

Carnyx said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Hey, I had to look that up!

Is it one of those TSE references that one regrets looking up?

Yes.

Even I hate knowing what tossing the salad means.

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Carnyx said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Retired prezes get Secret Service protection by act of Congress. In 1996 it was limited to just ten years from leaving office but was put back to life-time in 2013. Congress could chose to enact that it is forfeited under certain conditions. The rationale for the protection is to prevent the country from being blackmailed through terroristic threats to its former leaders, so Congress could certainly argue that that doesn't apply if the potential target is under lock and key.

Does that apply to relatives?

Only spouses and children under 16 apparently.

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

rpjs said:

Carnyx said:

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Retired prezes get Secret Service protection by act of Congress. In 1996 it was limited to just ten years from leaving office but was put back to life-time in 2013. Congress could chose to enact that it is forfeited under certain conditions. The rationale for the protection is to prevent the country from being blackmailed through terroristic threats to its former leaders, so Congress could certainly argue that that doesn't apply if the potential target is under lock and key.

Does that apply to relatives?

Only spouses and children under 16 apparently.

So if Mrs Trump No. 3 gets a divorce, she’s tossing the lettuce in terms of security?

And does it apply to mental age, or only birth certificates? If the former, Kushner should be Ok.

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

MUST GO PRIMARK.....MUST GO PRIMARK.....MUST GO PRIMARK.....THEN FOR BEERS....AND ALL BACK TO MINE....seems to be the level of a lot of people's thinking.

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

A question I ask every Friday when teaching 8C, in all fairness.

But more pertinently, what is the point of obeying lockdown regs when the government is actually reducing quarantine requirements on the grounds it’s safe after 10 days? What message does that send?

And falsely claiming only 0.2% of schoolchildren are off school with Covid?

Why should people behave if the government lies, chops, changes and generally behaves as though it’s more confused than Dura Ace on being told that speed is undesirable?

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Tier 3 for all beckons

Conwy CBC has sent an urgent e mail to all primary school parents closing their schools onTuesday afternoon to the new year

Wales is in a very dangerous position and Drakeford will not go into lockdown before Christmas, when he should and did not restrict coming out of the 'once and for all' fire break when he should, and I did make this point at the time

rpjs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

An American friend has pointed out a potential 'fun' issue if Trump does end up in prison.

As a former POTUS Donald Trump is entitled to lifelong Secret Service protection. So does that mean the Secret Service get to guard Trump inside prison?

If not Trump might have to get used to tossing the salad.

Retired prezes get Secret Service protection by act of Congress. In 1996 it was limited to just ten years from leaving office but was put back to life-time in 2013. Congress could chose to enact that it is forfeited under certain conditions. The rationale for the protection is to prevent the country from being blackmailed through terroristic threats to its former leaders, so Congress could certainly argue that that doesn't apply if the potential target is under lock and key.

Given their frequent ages, who says this is “putting back”?

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

UK case summary

DecrepiterJohnL said:

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Those last two are intriguing.

Do we think there’s a 10% chance he walks after the electoral college vote, heads for Christmas in Mar-A-Lago and leaves Pence running the show for a few weeks?

UK hospitals

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

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Those last two are intriguing.

Do we think there’s a 10% chance he walks after the electoral college vote, heads for Christmas in Mar-A-Lago and leaves Pence running the show for a few weeks?

That means admitting he lost, though.

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Because the government gave the country the green light to pretend that we're safe from Covid-19 at Christmas, and the country took that as a sign that we're safe from Covid-19 at all times.

The nation that has a majority of people who think pineapple is an acceptable topping on pizza has really shite judgment, who knew?

UK R

From case data




From hospitalisation data

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Because the government gave the country the green light to pretend that we're safe from Covid-19 at Christmas, and the country took that as a sign that we're safe from Covid-19 at all times.

The nation that has a majority of people who think pineapple is an acceptable topping on pizza has really shite judgment, who knew?

We are still letting people go away for Christmas break abroad as well...shakes head.

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Because the government gave the country the green light to pretend that we're safe from Covid-19 at Christmas, and the country took that as a sign that we're safe from Covid-19 at all times.

The nation that has a majority of people who think pineapple is an acceptable topping on pizza has really shite judgment, who knew?

We are still letting people go away for Christmas break abroad as well...shakes head.

Cutting the quarantine time from fourteen to ten days isn't the right messaging at the moment either.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Genetic mechanisms of critical illness in Covid-19

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03065-y

My immediate question would be are different racial demographic have different likelihood / make up of these genes i.e. could it be one of the reasons why we are seeing differences within different ethnicities?

Almost certainly so.

rcs1000 said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

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Those last two are intriguing.

Do we think there’s a 10% chance he walks after the electoral college vote, heads for Christmas in Mar-A-Lago and leaves Pence running the show for a few weeks?

That means admitting he lost, though.

Indeed. I don’t think he does, I think he leaves the WH on 19th Jan, quietly by the back door.

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

1. People have been implored to go out and shop. For Britain
2. People have been told the pox is going away for Christmas. And they're playing sodding Last Christmas is every shop so that must be now
3. The north has been locked down in Tier 3 its all bollox man so why botha ynaa?

FrancisUrquhart said:

Genetic mechanisms of critical illness in Covid-19

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03065-y

My immediate question would be are different racial demographic have different likelihood / make up of these genes i.e. could it be one of the reasons why we are seeing differences within different ethnicities?

Maybe to some extent, but I thought it was reasonably well established that the differences between people of different ethnicities were largely or wholly accounted for by factors such as occupation, housing, and prior health conditions.

Gaussian said:

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

Yet the rise in cases in the south east started well before the shops reopening could have affected the numbers. The shops are going to make it worse, but there was something else going on.

It’s called ‘schooling.’

Or at least, schooling during a pandemic with some laughably inept attempts at health and safety and a strict policy of not sending people home even if they’ve been sitting for six hours in the same unventilated room as somebody who has just tested positive.

Oh and creating the perception that rich people don't have to quarantine also gave a hall pass to the plebs.

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

1. People have been implored to go out and shop. For Britain
2. People have been told the pox is going away for Christmas. And they're playing sodding Last Christmas is every shop so that must be now
3. The north has been locked down in Tier 3 its all bollox man so why botha ynaa?

RochdalePioneers said:

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

1. People have been implored to go out and shop. For Britain
2. People have been told the pox is going away for Christmas. And they're playing sodding Last Christmas is every shop so that must be now
3. The north has been locked down in Tier 3 its all bollox man so why botha ynaa?

It's the Grim Reaper playing Last Christmas.

Points. " For you....and you....and you....and you...."

126 GOP House Representatives have openly signed up for Sedition. There are no good outcomes from here.

ydoethur said:

Gaussian said:

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

Yet the rise in cases in the south east started well before the shops reopening could have affected the numbers. The shops are going to make it worse, but there was something else going on.

It’s called ‘schooling.’

Or at least, schooling during a pandemic with some laughably inept attempts at health and safety and a strict policy of not sending people home even if they’ve been sitting for six hours in the same unventilated room as somebody who has just tested positive.

That does seem to be behind the rise in cases. I really think the schools need to be put online until the Christmas wave passes or have an extended holiday. We seem to keep making the same stupid public health messaging mistakes.

Sandpit said:

rcs1000 said:

Sandpit said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Current Betfair prices:-

Biden 1.05
Democrats 1.05
Biden PV 1.03
Biden PV 49-51.9% 1.04
Trump PV 46-48.9% 1.05
Trump ECV 210-239 1.08
Biden ECV 300-329 1.07
Biden ECV Hcap -48.5 1.05
Biden ECV Hcap -63.5 1.07
Trump ECV Hcap +81.5 1.01

AZ Dem 1.04
GA Dem 1.06
MI Dem 1.05
NV Dem 1.04
PA Dem 1.05
WI Dem 1.05

Trump to leave before end of term NO 1.1
Trump exit date 2021 1.09

Those last two are intriguing.

Do we think there’s a 10% chance he walks after the electoral college vote, heads for Christmas in Mar-A-Lago and leaves Pence running the show for a few weeks?

That means admitting he lost, though.

Indeed. I don’t think he does, I think he leaves the WH on 19th Jan, quietly by the back door.

My guess is he won't physically go back to the White House after the Xmas break, as he won't want the story about him sneaking out the back. He might put in a foreign trip and a couple of rallies to fill time.

Ossof and Warnock winning Goergia might halt it for a while but the long term senate position when the parties are equally strong massively favours the GOP. Effectively the Senate controls the judiciary and also through the GOP being far more willing to gerrymander, the house long term isn't Democrat either.
I can see a court expansion coming from the right when all bar Thomas are deemed to be at the behest of the Democrats.
Eventually a democrat will win the presidency again, and something or other like this TX nonsense will come up before SCOTUS and it will be heard and decided in favour of the GOP.
The damage US democracy has suffered thus far this election is the gravest injury to the republic since the Civil War, but it looks to me that the future GOP will have more Paxtons and Cruzs, and perhaps less Romneys and dare I say it even the likes of Mike Pence.

I'm wondering if the current SCOTUS, which is very conservative but not completely mad might want to take on the TX case to put forward an opinion that shreds Paxton to pieces; the more conservative members of the court might see it as a chance to affirm states' rights in elections.

With the GOP clearly a present and current danger to the republic, Democrats should be thankful for the 2nd amendment and load up with as many guns and ammo as they can find.

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1337477551363592197

OnboardG1 said:

ydoethur said:

Gaussian said:

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

Yet the rise in cases in the south east started well before the shops reopening could have affected the numbers. The shops are going to make it worse, but there was something else going on.

It’s called ‘schooling.’

Or at least, schooling during a pandemic with some laughably inept attempts at health and safety and a strict policy of not sending people home even if they’ve been sitting for six hours in the same unventilated room as somebody who has just tested positive.

That does seem to be behind the rise in cases. I really think the schools need to be put online until the Christmas wave passes or have an extended holiday. We seem to keep making the same stupid public health messaging mistakes.

The smart move would have been to shut them last Wednesday, which would have made little difference educationally but would have brought cases down substantially by Christmas. Failing that, the next most sensible thing would be to reopen them in mid-January by which time the worst effects should be over.

Neither will happen. So we could have a disaster on our hands at the start of February.

I am amazed we’ve got this far, to be truthful, but I will be still more amazed if we reach March without a crisis.

Gaussian said:

ydoethur said:

Gaussian said:

dixiedean said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Pile in your many thousands into poorly ventilated unspacious shopping malls for hours at a time, and wander about gawping aimlessly to no real purpose. Before buying some tat you'll barely ever use, or gift to someone you don't even really like.
This is many times more popular than partying in my experience.
Utterly mystifying way to spend a day, even without a pandemic on.

Yet the rise in cases in the south east started well before the shops reopening could have affected the numbers. The shops are going to make it worse, but there was something else going on.

It’s called ‘schooling.’

Or at least, schooling during a pandemic with some laughably inept attempts at health and safety and a strict policy of not sending people home even if they’ve been sitting for six hours in the same unventilated room as somebody who has just tested positive.

That didn't change from the first half of the lockdown though, when it did very significantly reduce case numbers.

Probably over confidence. As you say, cases began to rise in the SE during lockdown lite.
Because it's a disease of the North. All the media said so.
In the North, cases continued to fall. And continue to.

Whatever the Supreme court decides or doesn;t decide, the repubs are in serious trouble for the Georgia run-offs in both cases.

The party is hopelessly split. Trump voters despise the Romney/McCainites more than they do the dems. No way are they going to turn out fully loaded for Mr and Ms Lukewarm.


2024? Nope. 3024? maybe.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Oh and creating the perception that rich people don't have to quarantine also gave a hall pass to the plebs.

I've not heard anyone mention this once. But I think people just aren't paying attention anymore. I didn't know when the Xmas bubble was due to start until I checked just now, so will now need to let the old man down gentl about the planned visit for a week plus, as the tiers don't allow it.

Hardly surprising. The rules and regs are fiddly and complicated, and if you make an effort to memorise today’s, you can bet the government will change them for tomorrow.

rcs1000 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

21,672 new cases.....and only a couple of weeks away from hall pass...all going the wrong direction.

Seriously, why can’t people just behave themselves?

Vaccines are coming but, to too many people, partying now is more important than stopping the spread of a nasty virus.

Wear masks, don’t meet friends indoors, get takeaways rather than eating in restaurants, it really isn’t difficult.

Because the government gave the country the green light to pretend that we're safe from Covid-19 at Christmas, and the country took that as a sign that we're safe from Covid-19 at all times.

The nation that has a majority of people who think pineapple is an acceptable topping on pizza has really shite judgment, who knew?

We are still letting people go away for Christmas break abroad as well...shakes head.

It's ok to let them go, it's the coming back that's the problem.

UK can definitely have them back, thanks.

Pulpstar said:

Ossof and Warnock winning Goergia might halt it for a while but the long term senate position when the parties are equally strong massively favours the GOP. Effectively the Senate controls the judiciary and also through the GOP being far more willing to gerrymander, the house long term isn't Democrat either.
I can see a court expansion coming from the right when all bar Thomas are deemed to be at the behest of the Democrats.
Eventually a democrat will win the presidency again, and something or other like this TX nonsense will come up before SCOTUS and it will be heard and decided in favour of the GOP.
The damage US democracy has suffered thus far this election is the gravest injury to the republic since the Civil War, but it looks to me that the future GOP will have more Paxtons and Cruzs, and perhaps less Romneys and dare I say it even the likes of Mike Pence.

I'm wondering if the current SCOTUS, which is very conservative but not completely mad might want to take on the TX case to put forward an opinion that shreds Paxton to pieces; the more conservative members of the court might see it as a chance to affirm states' rights in elections.

With the GOP clearly a present and current danger to the republic, Democrats should be thankful for the 2nd amendment and load up with as many guns and ammo as they can find.

Making up to 20m illegals citizens will help. Plus renewed mass immigration.