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What is a level playing field? – politicalbetting.com
As we approach the ultra-final round of discussions, it may be useful to set out what the level playing field argument is actually about. Leaving emotions aside, it’s not essentially an argument about muscle-flexing or sovereignty, but a practical choice.
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Thanks Nick.0
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Tobias Ellwood looks to be in the wrong party.2
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One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.2
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Is that the Western resolve that sees Germany want to be "neutral" in any stand off between the USA and China because they'd prefer to sell their souls rather than lose a single deutschmark or spend a single extra pfennig on making a proper contribution to Western defence?TheScreamingEagles said:2 -
Have Johnson and Frost swapped suits for a laugh?Scott_xP said:4 -
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Like us, the EU have a domestic audience to appeal to as well.RobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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The Tories seem to think that we should be on the receiving end of Nick's Option 2 from the US.
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I know it will be hard, but we might just have to accept that we won't be able to get hold of any Good Brie.Scott_xP said:0 -
Trump files motion to argue in person before U.S. Supreme Court that he won election | National Post0
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BBC News - Covid-19: France moves to night-time curfew from 15 December
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Why can't these people just say i was wrong....always have to caveat it.
Kay Burley - "It doesn't matter that I thought I was Covid-compliant on a recent social event. The fact is I was wrong, I made a big mistake, and I am sorry.
When you spend 2hrs in the loo of another venue and then all back to yours for a knee-ups, there is no doubt or mistake, it was deliberate.1 -
That only happens if they accept a case.Pulpstar said:Trump files motion to argue in person before U.S. Supreme Court that he won election | National Post
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Somerset brie is equally good and in fact I find it tastier than french so usually go for it if availableSandyRentool said:
I know it will be hard, but we might just have to accept that we won't be able to get hold of any Good Brie.Scott_xP said:
https://www.longmancheese.co.uk/product/somerset-brie/0 -
I suppose when the option is starve or consume chicken, marinaded in chicken excrement and chlorine, Amerrican quality animal husbandry is the winner.SandyRentool said:The Tories seem to think that we should be on the receiving end of Nick's Option 2 from the US.
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There's an argument it should be accepted as it's so fundamental, means they can deliver an opinion to utterly demolish it on the merits then.rottenborough said:
That only happens if they accept a case.Pulpstar said:Trump files motion to argue in person before U.S. Supreme Court that he won election | National Post
I expect that will be the main debate, those who want to accept it to deliver an opinion adverse to TX and those who just want it chucked in the bin without a hearing.2 -
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As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Smouldering ruins? Give me a break.Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Is Boris bullshitting or are we genuinely fucked?2
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No, you are about to have your clean break. Enjoy it!RobD said:
Smouldering ruins? Give me a break.Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign3 -
I think on the fucked scale, we're at around 10, with the worst disruption around south-east iceland, cromarty and Hebrides.Jonathan said:Is Boris bullshitting or are we genuinely fucked?
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Just write "panic buying trip" on a date in your diary.Jonathan said:Is Boris bullshitting or are we genuinely fucked?
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The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign0 -
And make it tomorrow...Mexicanpete said:Just write "panic buying trip" on a date in your diary.
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Seems like he should have lost the whip with Grieve etc.Gallowgate said:Tobias Ellwood looks to be in the wrong party.
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“There’s a lot of ruin in a nation.”RobD said:
Smouldering ruins? Give me a break.Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Looks like the US Covid deaths and cases are going to smash through new records by the end of today, possibly spectacularly, looking at the numbers so far today. And Trump is just going on and on about the election. What a disgrace.2
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He never missed a meal before that eitherMexicanpete said:You can eat it. Johnson has been dining out on sovereignty for almost five years.
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Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign0 -
Many people predicted Dido would be her normal disaster selfTheScreamingEagles said:World beating!
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1337152578342309889
At least Dido did alright.1 -
In the days when I recruited staff, on appearance alone the fellow second on the left would have been disregarded for even the most menial role. My thinking would have been, if one can't dress themselves as an adult, they are no use to me.Scott_xP said:
He never missed a meal before that eitherMexicanpete said:You can eat it. Johnson has been dining out on sovereignty for almost five years.
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The UK isn't going to do a trade deal with any of those three countries. At least not directly. We may end up in the CPTPP with the US and India which is an association agreement with a high degree of tariff elimination but still has a fair number of NTBs.WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Keynes proposed the government digging holes and burying cash in them and then letting companies dig up the money. This seems similar.TheScreamingEagles said:World beating!
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1337152578342309889
At least Dido did alright.0 -
We are fucked.Jonathan said:Is Boris bullshitting or are we genuinely fucked?
Harvey Nichols, I read somewhere, starts planning its Christmas campaign at the beginning of October, not for the forthcoming Christmas but the one in 15 months time. Johnson thinks now is the time for the country to start planning for a no deal Brexit in three weeks. 21 days.0 -
Maybe he believed his prime minister, the credulous twunt that he is.Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like he should have lost the whip with Grieve etc.Gallowgate said:Tobias Ellwood looks to be in the wrong party.
'PM Boris Johnson: This is a very good deal'
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I think we'll see queues at supermarkets tomorrow.Scott_xP said:
And make it tomorrow...Mexicanpete said:Just write "panic buying trip" on a date in your diary.
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Where the companies doing the digging up are all mates with the cabinetrottenborough said:Keynes proposed the government digging holes and burying cash in them and then letting companies dig up the money. This seems similar.
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Oh they have got to just for the laughs.rottenborough said:
That only happens if they accept a case.Pulpstar said:Trump files motion to argue in person before U.S. Supreme Court that he won election | National Post
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If 106 House Republicans support the Texas case, is it really inconceivable that the five Republican Justices (ie excluding Roberts) will agree to hear the case?0
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There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign0 -
His whole life he has been an essay crisis merchant and deliverer of late copy. Why change now?IshmaelZ said:
We are fucked.Jonathan said:Is Boris bullshitting or are we genuinely fucked?
Harvey Nichols, I read somewhere, starts planning its Christmas campaign at the beginning of October, not for the forthcoming Christmas but the one in 15 months time. Johnson thinks now is the time for the country to start planning for a no deal Brexit in three weeks. 21 days.0 -
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Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign1 -
Glad to provide a service of entertainment as well as information - we aim to provide a Reithian service ;.)moonshine said:
Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign0 -
No there won't. That's a deal the UK wouldn't sign. The US deal has already burned out now that Trump is gone.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
You have no clue over what the UK has been prioritising wrt external trade. Take a look at what the actual deals we have signed have achieved before making these unfounded and grandiose claims about what the UK might do but in all likelihood won't.3 -
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Not so much information as that fake news we hear so much aboutWhisperingOracle said:
Glad to provide a service of entertainment as well as information ;.) A Reithian oracle, hopefully.moonshine said:
Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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Scandalous ! I have my hand perched on a bible every time I post.Pagan2 said:
Not so much information as that fake news we hear so much aboutWhisperingOracle said:
Glad to provide a service of entertainment as well as information ;.) A Reithian oracle, hopefully.moonshine said:
Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign0 -
The current state of negotiations.Jonathan said:Is Boris bullshitting or are we genuinely fucked?
https://youtu.be/BGtEp7zFdrc
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Bubble. It’s not on most folks radar tbh.rottenborough said:
I think we'll see queues at supermarkets tomorrow.Scott_xP said:
And make it tomorrow...Mexicanpete said:Just write "panic buying trip" on a date in your diary.
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blinks did you not note my user name, why would you think I put any credence in that books truthfulnessWhisperingOracle said:
Scandalous ! I have my hand perched on a bible every time I post.Pagan2 said:
Not so much information as that fake news we hear so much aboutWhisperingOracle said:
Glad to provide a service of entertainment as well as information ;.) A Reithian oracle, hopefully.moonshine said:
Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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It is all very easy to blame the government or the company....the government setup a scheme to save jobs, a company met the criteria for the help, so took it and saved a load of yoing grad jobs, and took paycuts themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to blame the government that perhaps the company could have cut pay for partners even more. If thst was the standard, no business should have got help unless even after cutting all senior management pay to zilch. Seems a non-starter as a scheme. So what do you do instead, start interfering in every companies in the lands pay structure before paying furlough?
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These are just simple equations of power. The UK will unquestionably and eventually need specific deals with these huge economies, whatever it prioritises first, and one way or the other, and they won't be on the terms wanted by the most faithful Brexit voters.MaxPB said:
No there won't. That's a deal the UK wouldn't sign. The US deal has already burned out now that Trump is gone.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
You have no clue over what the UK has been prioritising wrt external trade. Take a look at what the actual deals we have signed have achieved before making these unfounded and grandiose claims about what the UK might do but in all likelihood won't.0 -
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We won't unquestionably need such deals.WhisperingOracle said:
These are just simple equations of power. The UK will unquestionably and eventually need specific deals with these huge economies, whatever it prioritises first and one way or the other, and they won't be on the terms wanted by the most faithful Brexit voters.MaxPB said:
No there won't. That's a deal the UK wouldn't sign. The US deal has already burned out now that Trump is gone.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
You have no clue over what the UK has been prioritising wrt external trade. Take a look at what the actual deals we have signed have achieved before making these unfounded and grandiose claims about what the UK might do but in all likelihood won't.0 -
I welcome this header immensely. Some things get said so often they lose all meaning (it's my life motto) and you need to refresh.
Yes, a reminder that we should have listened to him. I should have.Jonathan said:Let’s bring it out...
https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=210 -
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Quantity over quality?TheScreamingEagles said:The power of Baby Yoda
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I feel I've been pretty generous in accepting some things as being out of the government's control, and accepting that errors and mistakes are inevitable in such a difficult situation and some leeway must be granted. This is not one of those times.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1337089380423438337
Historians will gawp at the stupidity of the repeated "save xmas" nonsense, started by No 10 weeks ago and fed to favoured journos, which has led to this point.
Borderline criminal political comms.2 -
Je suis certain qu'ils sont une inevitabilite.Mortimer said:
We won't unquestionably need such deals.WhisperingOracle said:
These are just simple equations of power. The UK will unquestionably and eventually need specific deals with these huge economies, whatever it prioritises first and one way or the other, and they won't be on the terms wanted by the most faithful Brexit voters.MaxPB said:
No there won't. That's a deal the UK wouldn't sign. The US deal has already burned out now that Trump is gone.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
You have no clue over what the UK has been prioritising wrt external trade. Take a look at what the actual deals we have signed have achieved before making these unfounded and grandiose claims about what the UK might do but in all likelihood won't.0 -
We turned down free owls for this.kle4 said:I welcome this header immensely. Some things get said so often they lose all meaning (it's my life motto) and you need to refresh.
Yes, a reminder that we should have listened to him. I should have.Jonathan said:Let’s bring it out...
https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=210 -
The point is that those deals won't be done. Part of why India has insisted on immigration being part of the equation is because they know it's an easy get out for them to not do one but still publicly be in favour of free trade. India has already withdrawn from RCEP because it doesn't really do free trade. The US deal has been covered here many times and the UK has a gigantic trade surplus with the US, there's no pressing need for a trade deal with the US, not Dr our perspective. Finally, the UK is already diversifying away from China and Chinese supply chains because of this whole virus crap, it would be completely against the run of play to sign a trade deal with China of any kind, if anything the government is likely to use national security concerns to close up Chinese import and investment over the next few years. We've already passed laws to that effect for investment so that Chinese companies are unable to buy up British companies on the cheap.WhisperingOracle said:
These are just simple equations of power. The UK will unquestionably and eventually need specific deals with these huge economies, whatever it prioritises first and one way or the other, and they won't be on the terms wanted by the most faithful Brexit voters.MaxPB said:
No there won't. That's a deal the UK wouldn't sign. The US deal has already burned out now that Trump is gone.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
You have no clue over what the UK has been prioritising wrt external trade. Take a look at what the actual deals we have signed have achieved before making these unfounded and grandiose claims about what the UK might do but in all likelihood won't.1 -
Careful now. We don't want to know what other posters are doing with their other hand when they are posting.WhisperingOracle said:
Scandalous ! I have my hand perched on a bible every time I post.Pagan2 said:
Not so much information as that fake news we hear so much aboutWhisperingOracle said:
Glad to provide a service of entertainment as well as information ;.) A Reithian oracle, hopefully.moonshine said:
Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
Full disclosure: I'm stroking my rabbit.2 -
Yes, two are tangoing on that issue, inexplicably. I think it's worth considering that just because the EU are in a stronger position, and even if they are, in general, seen by many as being more reasonable, they are not perfect in their choices and actions, especially when politics is in play and our perhaps pig headed leaders' stance is pitted against their leaders' ignorance of and contempt for the British political situation which, worthy of contempt people may think it is, but it is not useful to allow that to impact your decision making.RobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
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No, because he didn't want this.Jonathan said:
We turned down free owls for this.kle4 said:I welcome this header immensely. Some things get said so often they lose all meaning (it's my life motto) and you need to refresh.
Yes, a reminder that we should have listened to him. I should have.Jonathan said:Let’s bring it out...
https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=210 -
A fluffy bunny type rabbit or the sex toy type?SandyRentool said:
Careful now. We don't want to know what other posters are doing with their other hand when they are posting.WhisperingOracle said:
Scandalous ! I have my hand perched on a bible every time I post.Pagan2 said:
Not so much information as that fake news we hear so much aboutWhisperingOracle said:
Glad to provide a service of entertainment as well as information ;.) A Reithian oracle, hopefully.moonshine said:
Of all the fairytale forecasts made on here, the one you provide is perhaps the most amusing.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms, ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
Full disclosure: I'm stroking my rabbit.0 -
His arrogance unlocked this. Worst prime minister apart from the incumbent.kle4 said:
No, because he didn't want this.Jonathan said:
We turned down free owls for this.kle4 said:I welcome this header immensely. Some things get said so often they lose all meaning (it's my life motto) and you need to refresh.
Yes, a reminder that we should have listened to him. I should have.Jonathan said:Let’s bring it out...
https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=211 -
I don't agree here, I'm afraid. These are just far too huge powers for a post-Brexit Britain not to engage with specifically on trade, and in time it will.MaxPB said:
The point is that those deals won't be done. Part of why India has insisted on immigration being part of the equation is because they know it's an easy get out for them to not do one but still publicly be in favour of free trade. India has already withdrawn from RCEP because it doesn't really do free trade. The US deal has been covered here many times and the UK has a gigantic trade surplus with the US, there's no pressing need for a trade deal with the US, not Dr our perspective. Finally, the UK is already diversifying away from China and Chinese supply chains because of this whole virus crap, it would be completely against the run of play to sign a trade deal with China of any kind, if anything the government is likely to use national security concerns to close up Chinese import and investment over the next few years. We've already passed laws to that effect for investment so that Chinese companies are unable to buy up British companies on the cheap.WhisperingOracle said:
These are just simple equations of power. The UK will unquestionably and eventually need specific deals with these huge economies, whatever it prioritises first and one way or the other, and they won't be on the terms wanted by the most faithful Brexit voters.MaxPB said:
No there won't. That's a deal the UK wouldn't sign. The US deal has already burned out now that Trump is gone.WhisperingOracle said:
There will be eventually be a China-specific FTA on terms Brexiters hate ; India will demand immigration terms ; the US will make multiple demands on agriculture, food standards, and much else. The loss of "sovereignty" will simply be more obvious the larger the power.moonshine said:
Trade deal with China lol. Have you even slightly been paying attention?WhisperingOracle said:
The sovereignty you're imagining will quickly dry up when the trade deals with China, India and the US come in. It doesn't exist in the modern world.Pagan2 said:
Gosh hyperbole much? There will be no smoking ruins. We will be able to vote for politicians who can implement the manifesto they stood on even its labour. We won't have politicians making end runs around the things they know we won't accept as a nation by getting the eu to make it law...whats not to like?Mexicanpete said:
As we lie amongst the smouldering ruins we can claim it was all worth it to regain our sovereignty, until we are reminded sovereignty was only ever lost in the minds of the Brexiteers.RobD said:
But still, fishing must be a small percentage of France's economy. On the UK side there is the sovereignty issue, that doesn't apply to France.Pagan2 said:
It impacts some eu countries like france a spain a lot if they can no longer fish our waters. Those countries have a veto and it doesn't play well at home for their leadersRobD said:One thing I can't quite work out is just why the EU seem so obsessed about maintaining fishing rights. It must be a microscopic fraction of their economy. I can see why the UK is firm on it, but not the EU.
As a nation we had sovereignty in the same way as the queen is the ultimate power in the land. As long as we don't try to use it we are sovereign
You have no clue over what the UK has been prioritising wrt external trade. Take a look at what the actual deals we have signed have achieved before making these unfounded and grandiose claims about what the UK might do but in all likelihood won't.0 -
Disney's issue is likely to be going overboard, then overcorrecting. Many criticise the Mavel movies as being a bit formulaic and there's some truth in that, but while some were not great, many were and none were outright bad, despite them turning out by the end 3 of them a year. After Solo was a stupefyingly bland Star Wars film they paused on a bunch of side story movies, but frankly, given the absurd scale of the extended Star Wars canon, they could very easily do 1-2 movies a year, and many a series, without exhausting themselves or churning out complete garbage.FrancisUrquhart said:
Quantity over quality?TheScreamingEagles said:The power of Baby Yoda
https://twitter.com/Disney/status/1337152322653351936
Doesn't mean they won't do just that, there's a finite number of good writers, producers and actors out there, but the scale of that over that period doesn't in itself strike a cause for worry.0 -
I'm not paying for Disney Plus then paying on top of that more than I would in a cinema to see their releases though.TheScreamingEagles said:The power of Baby Yoda
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Only because we managed to avoid milibrand, corbyn and starmerJonathan said:
His arrogance unlocked this. Worst prime minister apart from the incumbent.kle4 said:
No, because he didn't want this.Jonathan said:
We turned down free owls for this.kle4 said:I welcome this header immensely. Some things get said so often they lose all meaning (it's my life motto) and you need to refresh.
Yes, a reminder that we should have listened to him. I should have.Jonathan said:Let’s bring it out...
https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?s=210 -
FPT (apologetically)
I detect a sober mood on here tonite as No Deal hardens into a reality. My attempts to introduce some smutty humour earlier now seems out of place so I'll give the answers to my little quiz now and fetch my coat.
6" = Much Ado About Nothing
9" = As You Like It
12" = Taming Of The Shrew
Wet = Midsummer's Night Dream
Dry = Twelfth Night
And the GBS diagram was:
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Man and Superman.
Bet you all can't wait to reproduce these little gems over Christmas.
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Robert Altmann's "Gosford Park" on German telly. Young Lozza in one of his early roles, convincingly portraying a complete arsehole. What a hoot.0 -
However this ends I don’t appreciate having my livelihood and my children’s future being gambled like this.2
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