27 days to go until the end of the transition and punters remain confident that there’ll be a deal –
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Will we all have been vaccinated before Betfair settle the potus market?2
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I see some nations still want to have their ski season...
BBC News - France to impose border checks to stop skiing abroad
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Starmer doing a good impression of TSE.0
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I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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I wouldn't say that before January.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1334106169594548224?s=20
A twelve point lead is more than enough if maintained though.0 -
Ireland won't be happy if a deal doesn't happen year end. Also then gets the EU in trouble with Biden for breaking the GFA...FeersumEnjineeya said:
Some of us thought some time ago that this might be the case:Sandpit said:
As I suggested yesterday, some on the EU side are starting to see positives in no-deal - which makes that outcome much more likely.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm struggling to see what incentive the EU actually has to do a deal before 1 Jan. Surely it would be better from their POV to let the UK dangle in the wind for a month or two before coming back to the table next year?0 -
He's wearing outrageous footwear?tlg86 said:Starmer doing a good impression of TSE.
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Maybe it's being guarded by the nags at the DATR?Foxy said:
According to the Leicester Mercury, the Pfizer vaccine is in Leicester, guarded by the military!MaxPB said:
I don't think it's been submitted yet as we won't get deliveries of it until April at the earliest. The AZ vaccine has already begun being delivered so I think that's the current priority.FrancisUrquhart said:Wonder if / when we will see approval of the two other vaccines? Given moderna one is very similar to Pfizer, hopefully very shortly.
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He's banging on about stepmums on ...?Richard_Nabavi said:
He's wearing outrageous footwear?tlg86 said:Starmer doing a good impression of TSE.
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Not sure where this "can they use Pfizer in care homes?" is coming from - it can be stored in a regular fridge for 5 days:
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I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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Boris desperate to have an argument but SKS not really playing.0
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That's what the rapid tests are for, surely. Although there will no doubt be some leakage, the risk must be quite low to an individual.Philip_Thompson said:
Define safe?FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
Care homes get visitors including doctors, nurses etc on a daily basis. So an NHS vaccinator doesn't need to have two doses before going into the care home any more than the homes staff do.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
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I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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Seems likely and probably before Christmas. I suspect most of the low risk population will receive the AZ vaccine from GPs in the new year.FrancisUrquhart said:Wonder if / when we will see approval of the two other vaccines? Given moderna one is very similar to Pfizer, hopefully very shortly.
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Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. And Germany and Italy aren't much better, with about a third unwilling to vaccinate.
https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/08/three-in-four-adults-globally-say-they-d-get-a-vaccine-for-covid-19-but-is-this-enough0 -
Collapse? Nah. In the short term I expect some nasty hiccups in supply lines until the invisible hand of the market has time to sort everything out & marginal import / export businesses are driven out of the system though.Philip_Thompson said:
It depends what happens in those weeks.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Some of us thought some time ago that this might be the case:Sandpit said:
As I suggested yesterday, some on the EU side are starting to see positives in no-deal - which makes that outcome much more likely.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm struggling to see what incentive the EU actually has to do a deal before 1 Jan. Surely it would be better from their POV to let the UK dangle in the wind for a month or two before coming back to the table next year?
Some are convinced the UK collapses into a quivering wreck desperate to make the bad Brexit go away.
I find that notion peculiar and unlikely.
Brexit inevitably makes import/export of goods into and out of the UK more costly. That cost will be absorbed by the market in time & things will settle into a “new normal” which matches the available capacity.
Some businesses will go to the wall as a result & others will find their inputs more expensive by varying amounts & the cost of exporting likewise. This is one of the prices of Brexit. The treasury study that was derided as “just part of project fear” by Leave pre-referendum will turn out to be roughly accurate I would imagine.
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From that ipsos mori poll - numbers look like they have potential to be quiet fluid. And we've not even started the debate on the practilities of it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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Caring for relatives is very important and should be prioritised but is completely different to care homes.Flatlander said:
That's what the rapid tests are for, surely. Although there will no doubt be some leakage, the risk must be quite low to an individual.Philip_Thompson said:
Define safe?FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
Care homes get visitors including doctors, nurses etc on a daily basis. So an NHS vaccinator doesn't need to have two doses before going into the care home any more than the homes staff do.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
A care home can have a hundred residents and a hundred staff in it so logistically getting a couple of hundred doses to that home should be reasonably achievable - and they will have nurses on site. Plus a single positive case can snowball once the virus is wild in the home to result in many dozens of infections and dozens of hospitalisations and deaths.
A solitary individual or couple looking after a solitary shielding individual or couple is not the same thing.0 -
What is the Welsh government on about then?CarlottaVance said:0 -
What on earth is Blackford talking about? People like me who earn too much to qualify for the payments given to the self employed? People who have still been in work and getting paid and not on furlough? Is that is the priority?1
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And the practicalities are the reasons I am confident the union will surviveRazedabode said:
From that ipsos mori poll - numbers look like they have potential to be quiet fluid. And we've not even started the debate on the practilities of it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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How - the SNP are successfully using everything to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK - and doing a very fine job when doing so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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How would the EU be breaking the GFA? The withdrawal agreement that the UK and EU signed in January expressly prevents the establishment of an internal Irish border in the event of no deal!JonathanD said:
Ireland won't be happy if a deal doesn't happen year end. Also then gets the EU in trouble with Biden for breaking the GFA...FeersumEnjineeya said:
Some of us thought some time ago that this might be the case:Sandpit said:
As I suggested yesterday, some on the EU side are starting to see positives in no-deal - which makes that outcome much more likely.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm struggling to see what incentive the EU actually has to do a deal before 1 Jan. Surely it would be better from their POV to let the UK dangle in the wind for a month or two before coming back to the table next year?0 -
Politicians chatting shite. Nothing new there.RobD said:
What is the Welsh government on about then?CarlottaVance said:2 -
And yet there are many reasons why the idea the SNP have won independence is far from certaineek said:
How - the SNP are successfully using everything to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK - and doing a very fine job when doing so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
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Nicola is an excellent asset to the SNP.eek said:
How - the SNP are successfully using everything to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK - and doing a very fine job when doing so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1334106169594548224?s=20
She comes across as calm, reassuring and reasonable even when she is the polar opposite.0 -
Other countries may also struggle to vaccinate because of the decentralised and private nature of their health care systems. The NHS has very good databases for public health, via GP registration. The same is not true elsewhere.TrèsDifficile said:Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. And Germany and Italy aren't much better, with about a third unwilling to vaccinate.
For example, flu vaccination rates in target groups are about 70% in the UK, but less than 40% in Germany, and lower than 10% in some EU countries.
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"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.2 -
She is a very capable politician. Fortunately she is being challenged by some of the most devious, dishonest and vicious liars in UK politics today, all of them in the SNP. As a Unionist I wish them well, as a citizen I wonder what comes next.Philip_Thompson said:
Nicola is an excellent asset to the SNP.eek said:
How - the SNP are successfully using everything to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK - and doing a very fine job when doing so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1334106169594548224?s=20
She comes across as calm, reassuring and reasonable even when she is the polar opposite.6 -
Captain to General in one step? He must have an impressive record.Philip_Thompson said:"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.1 -
I don't disagree re: care homes, they should clearly get priority.Philip_Thompson said:
Caring for relatives is very important and should be prioritised but is completely different to care homes.Flatlander said:
That's what the rapid tests are for, surely. Although there will no doubt be some leakage, the risk must be quite low to an individual.Philip_Thompson said:
Define safe?FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
Care homes get visitors including doctors, nurses etc on a daily basis. So an NHS vaccinator doesn't need to have two doses before going into the care home any more than the homes staff do.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
A care home can have a hundred residents and a hundred staff in it so logistically getting a couple of hundred doses to that home should be reasonably achievable - and they will have nurses on site. Plus a single positive case can snowball once the virus is wild in the home to result in many dozens of infections and dozens of hospitalisations and deaths.
A solitary individual or couple looking after a solitary shielding individual or couple is not the same thing.
It is the age list which, for example, might not include people aged 49 looking after two sets of parents who are all over 85 and need accompanying everywhere.
There's always going to be edge cases, though. The quicker we can get this done the better, then nobody will have reason to complain too much.1 -
Or seized power in a coup d’état and gave himself a promotion.RobD said:
Captain to General in one step? He must have an impressive record.Philip_Thompson said:"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.3 -
To be fair, it can easily take over 6 hours to get anywhere in WalesMaxPB said:
Politicians chatting shite. Nothing new there.RobD said:
What is the Welsh government on about then?CarlottaVance said:
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I can understand Russian's reluctance:TrèsDifficile said:Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. And Germany and Italy aren't much better, with about a third unwilling to vaccinate.
https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/08/three-in-four-adults-globally-say-they-d-get-a-vaccine-for-covid-19-but-is-this-enough
MOSCOW, November 30. /TASS/. About 20 people who were administered a first component of the Sputnik V vaccine against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, one of the organizers of clinical trials of the vaccine, Director of the Sechenov University’s Institute for Translational Medicine and Biotechnology Vadim Tarasov reported on Monday, specifying that it’s incorrect to link these cases directly to the vaccination since the infected didn’t have enough time to develop the sufficient protective immunity.
https://tass.com/society/1229459
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Or a couple of centuries.Selebian said:
To be fair, it can easily take over 6 hours to get anywhere in WalesMaxPB said:
Politicians chatting shite. Nothing new there.RobD said:
What is the Welsh government on about then?CarlottaVance said:1 -
Major Indecision would have sounded better, been a more likely promotion, and have left space for Colonel and Brigadier jokesRobD said:
Captain to General in one step? He must have an impressive record.Philip_Thompson said:"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.3 -
It was a day for Johnson to be cheerful and ebullient. Like we hoped he would be. Especially since the LotO got him out of a massive hole yesterday. (Not that either of them is ever going to admit it).Philip_Thompson said:"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.
That he couldn't do it is, unfortunately, the measure of the man. Worst sort of Oxford Union stuff.0 -
The thing about the French, which I came to understand when I Iived in France, is that they have this extraordinarily strong self-view that they are independent-minded and don't submit to authority, but in fact they are remarkably conformist, much more so than Brits. So if they're told to have the jab, which they'll probably have to do to get a job or take their children to school, they'll moan and have the jab.TrèsDifficile said:Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. ...
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So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.0 -
Its not as if there's a pandemic and reason for urgency is there?Anabobazina said:
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
Kudos to the MHRA for taking emergency authorisation as an emergency to deal with urgently.2 -
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That’s awesome. The logistics of getting this to everyone are insanely complex, can see why the military have been charged with it. I expect that, once the programme is underway, we will be seeing helicopters landing in car parks and sports fieldsrottenborough said:
Yes, a very impressive start by Pfizer. Let's see how we go on...0 -
Are you sure that the FDA meeting isn't just a formal approval, with the staff already working on the data?Anabobazina said:
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.0 -
Why drag out a formal meeting for formal approval?Richard_Nabavi said:
Are you sure that the FDA meeting isn't just a formal approval, with the staff already working on the data?Anabobazina said:
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
The moment the staff have completed working on the data the approval should be granted as swiftly as possible, not wait a week because that's the date pencilled into the diary.1 -
Oh no!!! I'm quite large green on him!!CarlottaVance said:1 -
I'm sure Greens, Lib Dems and tree huggers will be delighted:
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Even in the UK there will almost certainly be a small number of individuals who contract the virus in spite of being vaccinated. The tabloid headlines write themselves. It's only a matter of time.CarlottaVance said:
I can understand Russian's reluctance:TrèsDifficile said:Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. And Germany and Italy aren't much better, with about a third unwilling to vaccinate.
https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/08/three-in-four-adults-globally-say-they-d-get-a-vaccine-for-covid-19-but-is-this-enough
MOSCOW, November 30. /TASS/. About 20 people who were administered a first component of the Sputnik V vaccine against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, one of the organizers of clinical trials of the vaccine, Director of the Sechenov University’s Institute for Translational Medicine and Biotechnology Vadim Tarasov reported on Monday, specifying that it’s incorrect to link these cases directly to the vaccination since the infected didn’t have enough time to develop the sufficient protective immunity.
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I don't know enough about they work, but we're only talking about 8 days' time, so whilst it's not as fast as the UK MHRA has been, it still looks pretty damned fast.Philip_Thompson said:
Why drag out a formal meeting for formal approval?Richard_Nabavi said:
Are you sure that the FDA meeting isn't just a formal approval, with the staff already working on the data?Anabobazina said:
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
The moment the staff have completed working on the data the approval should be granted as swiftly as possible, not wait a week because that's the date pencilled into the diary.0 -
I doubt that the meeting would be for anything other than approval of the data. If our programme starts on the 7th, the US approves it three days later and starts their programme on the 14th, it's not a huge difference. It's the EMA that deserves the most criticism, if EU countries are going to take delivery from January then any delay is going to be very costly.Anabobazina said:
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.1 -
What's he even done sporting wise this year?TOPPING said:
Oh no!!! I'm quite large green on him!!CarlottaVance said:
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.0 -
Beat Wilder in FebruaryPhilip_Thompson said:
What's he even done sporting wise this year?TOPPING said:
Oh no!!! I'm quite large green on him!!CarlottaVance said:
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.0 -
LOL what's he done this year? What indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
What's he even done sporting wise this year?TOPPING said:
Oh no!!! I'm quite large green on him!!CarlottaVance said:
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.0 -
February sure feels a year ago now. Fair enough.TrèsDifficile said:
Beat Wilder in FebruaryPhilip_Thompson said:
What's he even done sporting wise this year?TOPPING said:
Oh no!!! I'm quite large green on him!!CarlottaVance said:
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.0 -
Note: Always wear a lightweight shell suit for your ring walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N786mCawx9s
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Damn Tyson Fury, don’t you know that people have been betting on you?
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That night back in February was the last time I went out to a bar/nightclub late evening, then stayed up to watch that fight. I recall seeing a story about Northern Italy and it was dawning upon me that it was a possibility we may be in trouble in the UK. It definitely does feel like forever ago.Philip_Thompson said:
February sure feels a year ago now. Fair enough.TrèsDifficile said:
Beat Wilder in FebruaryPhilip_Thompson said:
What's he even done sporting wise this year?TOPPING said:
Oh no!!! I'm quite large green on him!!CarlottaVance said:
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.2 -
Does the "butcher's apron" thing really work when comparing us with Germany?Dura_Ace said:
The German Ambassador better get used to it; this is who the English are now. Non-stop MEGA and the Butcher's Apron on everything.CarlottaVance said:Undiplomatic diplomat (but he has a point):
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That was comprehensive, the towel really could have been thrown a couple of rounds earlier.TOPPING said:Note: Always wear a lightweight shell suit for your ring walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N786mCawx9s
I thought that was from December for some reason. Probably because pre-March feels a lifetime ago now.1 -
The question is, has the MRHA made a decision on inadequate data? The Swiss government seems to think so:MaxPB said:
I doubt that the meeting would be for anything other than approval of the data. If our programme starts on the 7th, the US approves it three days later and starts their programme on the 14th, it's not a huge difference. It's the EMA that deserves the most criticism, if EU countries are going to take delivery from January then any delay is going to be very costly.Anabobazina said:
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.FrancisUrquhart said:
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?MaxPB said:
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).FrancisUrquhart said:
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.Philip_Thompson said:I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/incomplete-data-stalls-swiss-authorisation-of-covid-19-vaccines/46196598#.X8dtof2Uab8.twitter
It does seem as if the fast track approval is via EU rules, not Brexit flexibility:
"Under EU rules, the Pfizer vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but EU countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine at home for temporary use. Britain is still subject to EU rules until it fully leaves the bloc at the end of the year."
From:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28C1B9?__twitter_impression=true
There are risks in delay, but also in rushing. Let's hope that we didn't cut too many corners, not least because I am going to be getting it soon!0 -
ROYGBIV=WPhilip_Thompson said:
No it makes a new different colour.Roger said:
'Adding up a rainbow doesn't make the same colour?'.Philip_Thompson said:
Tories got 47.2% of the English vote, that's good enough for a majority as far as I'm concerned.Foxy said:
Yes but the majority of British voters are not Conservatives. It is reasonable to say that the Lab, LD, SNP, Green, SF and PC parties are in aggregate the majority and more aligned with the EU polity.Philip_Thompson said:
Its possible but not true on average since your vote is greatly watered down by the 27 other nations in Europe, whereas on average across the UK your vote counts much, much more.williamglenn said:
In this equation you are an individual voter, the UK is an amalgamation of all UK voters, and the EU is an amalgamation of all EU voters. It's perfectly possible that what you want is more aligned with the collective EU than with the collective UK.Philip_Thompson said:
Nonsense, there is always us and them. There are layers of us and them. Atomisation exists at multiple levels.williamglenn said:
The EU is a polity. If we're part of it, then we're part of it. There's no us and them unless we leave.TrèsDifficile said:
Much better just to agree to whatever the EU thinks it wants then?williamglenn said:
We don't always want what 'we' want either.TrèsDifficile said:
But the EU doesn't always want what we want.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really, because so many things in the modern world involve negotiations with other countries. The EU speeds that up, not slows it down.
The UK won't be led by Boris Johnson forever, we hold elections every 4-5 years and if you want a change then you can change the government every 4-5 years (or sooner if no confidence etc happens).Richard_Nabavi said:
The idea that the UK is going to be consistently nimble and agile is somewhat fanciful. We haven't exactly been nimble and agile in reforming taxation, or social care, or the NHS, or dealing with the decline of the High Street, or dealing with US mega-corporations abusing international tax rule, or setting up the computer systems and customs infrastructure for Brexit in 3 weeks time. And it certainly will never be nimble and agile under Boris - he's an even bigger ditherer than Brown.Philip_Thompson said:
You're only limited by your imagination.Richard_Nabavi said:
Really? Such as?Luckyguy1983 said:
You must know the last point is daft - the ability to make quicker decisions will manifest itself as a benefit many times in the future, on many issues.Richard_Nabavi said:Actually the point that Brexit has enabled us to approve and therefore roll out the vaccine slightly more quickly is a valid one. We have, ladies and gentlemen, found the first and almost certainly the last actual positive of Brexit.
If you can't think of any examples when making quick decisions can be a benefit then I think your imagination is weak. I've long argued for nimbleness and agility as a strength.
If Starmer has a bright idea that can improve the country and he puts that forward rather than abstaining on it then the country can choose to vote for him easier than we can reform 28 nations of the EU.
Do you think that because they're part of the UK that Nicola Sturgeon is the same "us" as Boris Johnson?
Are you part of the same "us" as me?
Certainly, I am.
Adding up a rainbow doesn't make them the same colour.
Yes of course it does! Time for elevenses. take a break!0 -
My guessing it is really is about last time he was up for it, there was a big focus on stuff written about him in regards to his views on homosexuality vs his religious beliefs and last time it also descending into accusations of him being sexist etc.Sandpit said:Damn Tyson Fury, don’t you know that people have been betting on you?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-350311101 -
You think it a joke of such quality that to use it for anything other than digging himself out of big trouble was a dreadful waste?Philip_Thompson said:"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.2 -
The good news is it gives the BBC space to draft Marcus Rashford.FrancisUrquhart said:
My guessing it is really is about last time he was up for it, there was a big focus on stuff written about him in regards to his views on homosexuality vs his religious beliefs and last time it also descending into accusations of him being sexist etc.Sandpit said:Damn Tyson Fury, don’t you know that people have been betting on you?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35031110 0 -
The Fury fight does feel like last year. I suppose it's the BC/AC effect.1
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They're certainly getting their PR in better shape since Dom got the boot.CarlottaVance said:I'm sure Greens, Lib Dems and tree huggers will be delighted:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1333897692297261058?s=201 -
Is it? Or it is all.just part of the pantomime? This morning we also had all the briefings that the EU nations thought Mr Barnier was being far too nice to the UK and he must prove to them he is still being tough.TheScreamingEagles said:Told you a deal was doomed.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/13341201486603141150 -
Yes butRoger said:
ROYGBIV=WPhilip_Thompson said:
No it makes a new different colour.Roger said:
'Adding up a rainbow doesn't make the same colour?'.Philip_Thompson said:
Tories got 47.2% of the English vote, that's good enough for a majority as far as I'm concerned.Foxy said:
Yes but the majority of British voters are not Conservatives. It is reasonable to say that the Lab, LD, SNP, Green, SF and PC parties are in aggregate the majority and more aligned with the EU polity.Philip_Thompson said:
Its possible but not true on average since your vote is greatly watered down by the 27 other nations in Europe, whereas on average across the UK your vote counts much, much more.williamglenn said:
In this equation you are an individual voter, the UK is an amalgamation of all UK voters, and the EU is an amalgamation of all EU voters. It's perfectly possible that what you want is more aligned with the collective EU than with the collective UK.Philip_Thompson said:
Nonsense, there is always us and them. There are layers of us and them. Atomisation exists at multiple levels.williamglenn said:
The EU is a polity. If we're part of it, then we're part of it. There's no us and them unless we leave.TrèsDifficile said:
Much better just to agree to whatever the EU thinks it wants then?williamglenn said:
We don't always want what 'we' want either.TrèsDifficile said:
But the EU doesn't always want what we want.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really, because so many things in the modern world involve negotiations with other countries. The EU speeds that up, not slows it down.
The UK won't be led by Boris Johnson forever, we hold elections every 4-5 years and if you want a change then you can change the government every 4-5 years (or sooner if no confidence etc happens).Richard_Nabavi said:
The idea that the UK is going to be consistently nimble and agile is somewhat fanciful. We haven't exactly been nimble and agile in reforming taxation, or social care, or the NHS, or dealing with the decline of the High Street, or dealing with US mega-corporations abusing international tax rule, or setting up the computer systems and customs infrastructure for Brexit in 3 weeks time. And it certainly will never be nimble and agile under Boris - he's an even bigger ditherer than Brown.Philip_Thompson said:
You're only limited by your imagination.Richard_Nabavi said:
Really? Such as?Luckyguy1983 said:
You must know the last point is daft - the ability to make quicker decisions will manifest itself as a benefit many times in the future, on many issues.Richard_Nabavi said:Actually the point that Brexit has enabled us to approve and therefore roll out the vaccine slightly more quickly is a valid one. We have, ladies and gentlemen, found the first and almost certainly the last actual positive of Brexit.
If you can't think of any examples when making quick decisions can be a benefit then I think your imagination is weak. I've long argued for nimbleness and agility as a strength.
If Starmer has a bright idea that can improve the country and he puts that forward rather than abstaining on it then the country can choose to vote for him easier than we can reform 28 nations of the EU.
Do you think that because they're part of the UK that Nicola Sturgeon is the same "us" as Boris Johnson?
Are you part of the same "us" as me?
Certainly, I am.
Adding up a rainbow doesn't make them the same colour.
Yes of course it does! Time for elevenses. take a break!
R != W
O != W
Y != W
etc
Saying they're the same is like saying if someone votes for hot and someone else voted for cold then the two together voted for lukewarm.0 -
Neither Green, nor Lib Dem, nor tree hugger.CarlottaVance said:I'm sure Greens, Lib Dems and tree huggers will be delighted:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1333897692297261058?s=20
But I, too, think this is a good thing.2 -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/12/01/googles-grip-deepmind-will-cost-uk-taxpayers-tens-billions
What this article fails to mention is DeepMinds can only do what it does because it gets special access to draw on massive % of the whole network of Google compute power. Google at times literally shutters off parts of their own work to allow Deepminds to run experiments across vast numbers of servers.1 -
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.0 -
I'm sure something could be cobbled together with regard to fishing, but it is very hard to see how there can be an agreement that satisfies both sides on LPF and governance.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it? Or it is all.just part of the pantomime? This morning we also had all the briefings that the EU nations thought Mr Barnier was being far too nice to the UK and he must prove to them he is still being tough.TheScreamingEagles said:Told you a deal was doomed.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/13341201486603141150 -
Saw that coming 🙄Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
What are those idiots saying now?0 -
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.2 -
I mean, I can see why Toby will be catering to the antivaxxers. You don't have to be an antivaxxer to follow him and believe him, but if you are an antivaxxer, he's the only game in town for you. And I suppose a chunk of his donations are from antivaxxers, so he has to give them what they want to see.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Utterly fucking contemptible, though.5 -
Oh no it isn't! It's behind him! etcFrancisUrquhart said:
Is it? Or it is all.just part of the pantomime? This morning we also had all the briefings that the EU nations thought Mr Barnier was being far too nice to the UK and he must prove to them he is still being tough.TheScreamingEagles said:Told you a deal was doomed.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1334120148660314115
But this panto is coming to the end of its run.0 -
AIUI the Clauses themselves do not breach international law...TheScreamingEagles said:Told you a deal was doomed.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1334120148660314115
Barnier being a little philosophical, I suggest.1 -
Wherever we stand otherwise, I think pretty much all of us on this forum can agree that these people are utter loons.MaxPB said:
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.0 -
You're right. There is "now" and everything else is a blur.Philip_Thompson said:
That was comprehensive, the towel really could have been thrown a couple of rounds earlier.TOPPING said:Note: Always wear a lightweight shell suit for your ring walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N786mCawx9s
I thought that was from December for some reason. Probably because pre-March feels a lifetime ago now.1 -
You're far too nice about it.Andy_Cooke said:
I mean, I can see why Toby will be catering to the antivaxxers. You don't have to be an antivaxxer to follow him and believe him, but if you are an antivaxxer, he's the only game in town for you. And I suppose a chunk of his donations are from antivaxxers, so he has to give them what they want to see.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Utterly fucking contemptible, though.3 -
Its a good job in a way for the government he didn't get the schools role in the end, imagine what damage his anti-lockdown / anti-vax stance would be having. Instead luckily now he is really only a fringe public figure.MaxPB said:
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.0 -
Somebody should say Toby Young and Yeadon are supporters of the Real IRA and we can intern for years.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Totally unrelated does anyone have the phone number for Special Branch?0 -
And no to masks, social distancing, etc.MaxPB said:
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
It's almost as if they want everyone to catch Covid so their herd immunity theories can be fulfilled.2 -
The lobbyists will find something else do demand, I am sure.dixiedean said:
Neither Green, nor Lib Dem, nor tree hugger.CarlottaVance said:I'm sure Greens, Lib Dems and tree huggers will be delighted:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1333897692297261058?s=20
But I, too, think this is a good thing.0 -
Yes, even Broady's efforts in the summer seem years ago, let alone something in February.TOPPING said:
You're right. There is "now" and everything else is a blur.Philip_Thompson said:
That was comprehensive, the towel really could have been thrown a couple of rounds earlier.TOPPING said:Note: Always wear a lightweight shell suit for your ring walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N786mCawx9s
I thought that was from December for some reason. Probably because pre-March feels a lifetime ago now.
Of course this list should have been dominated by our new Olympic champions. :-(2 -
Razedabode said:
From that ipsos mori poll - numbers look like they have potential to be quiet fluid. And we've not even started the debate on the practilities of it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1334106169594548224?s=20
15 straight polls for Yes = quiet (sic) fluid? I'd like to see what you'd consider was violent electoral volatility.Razedabode said:
From that ipsos mori poll - numbers look like they have potential to be quiet fluid. And we've not even started the debate on the practilities of it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1334106169594548224?s=20
Unionism 2014: Yes was only ever ahead in 2 polls and the result was quite comfortable in the end.
Unionism 2020: Yes ahead in 15 polls means that it's all to play for, if there was the slightest chance of Scots being allowed to decide.
What's the opposite of evolution? Regression?0 -
Are they banning the movement of all livestock? Surely not. The rules on transporting live animals is already very strict and the EU welfare standards high.dixiedean said:
Neither Green, nor Lib Dem, nor tree hugger.CarlottaVance said:I'm sure Greens, Lib Dems and tree huggers will be delighted:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1333897692297261058?s=20
But I, too, think this is a good thing.0 -
- Suspend the studies immediately because the efficacy will be based on FALSE POSITIVES and throw out all the data because of FALSE POSITIVESPhilip_Thompson said:
Saw that coming 🙄Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
What are those idiots saying now?
- What about Antibody Dependent Enhancement? [Because obviously no-one's thought of that or run lengthy Phase 3 studies]
- Spike proteins could make you INFERTILE!! [so what about people who've been infected with the actual virus?]
- Many people could get fatal allergic reactions to it! 70% of people get antibodies to polyethylene glycol which is in the Pfizer one! [Yet, somehow, no-one in the tens of thousands in the safety studies had an issue]
- It's all happened too fast and what about long-term effects! [Where all the genuine experts reckon that virtually all adverse effects happen within hours or days so any long-term problems would be incredibly unlikely]
Stoking all the fears of the antivaxxers. I'm genuinely now of the belief that these disgusting excuses for human beings should be jailed.0 -
Is this jab IV or subcutaneous?
I have not heard.0 -
BioNtech chap interviewed on R4 - the U.K. has as robust processes as the EUMA in assessing the vaccine - citing a specific U.K. regulation that enabled it to move more quickly. This was in response to EUMA comments that their process was “more thorough” than the U.K.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1334127019299385344?s=201 -
Tbf they couldn't have done it without u-know-who.eek said:
How - the SNP are successfully using everything to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK - and doing a very fine job when doing so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will surviveFoxy said:
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.CarlottaVance said:Peak SIndy passed?
https://twitter.com/KellyIpsosMORI/status/1334106169594548224?s=200 -
They are also experts on thalidomide.Andy_Cooke said:
- Suspend the studies immediately because the efficacy will be based on FALSE POSITIVES and throw out all the data because of FALSE POSITIVESPhilip_Thompson said:
Saw that coming 🙄Andy_Cooke said:Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
What are those idiots saying now?
- What about Antibody Dependent Enhancement? [Because obviously no-one's thought of that or run lengthy Phase 3 studies]
- Spike proteins could make you INFERTILE!! [so what about people who've been infected with the actual virus?]
- Many people could get fatal allergic reactions to it! 70% of people get antibodies to polyethylene glycol which is in the Pfizer one! [Yet, somehow, no-one in the tens of thousands in the safety studies had an issue]
- It's all happened too fast and what about long-term effects! [Where all the genuine experts reckon that virtually all adverse effects happen within hours or days so any long-term problems would be incredibly unlikely]
Stoking all the fears of the antivaxxers. I'm genuinely now of the belief that these disgusting excuses for human beings should be jailed.
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/13340801040923607045 -
As a vegetarian (and occasional sandal-wearing) Lib Dem, I'm very pleased with that. I'm a bit curious about the details though. If live animals can't be transported, how can they be sent for slaughter? Will animals have to be slaughtered at the farm where they are reared?CarlottaVance said:I'm sure Greens, Lib Dems and tree huggers will be delighted:
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1333897692297261058?s=200
