I'm struggling to see what incentive the EU actually has to do a deal before 1 Jan. Surely it would be better from their POV to let the UK dangle in the wind for a month or two before coming back to the table next year?
Ireland won't be happy if a deal doesn't happen year end. Also then gets the EU in trouble with Biden for breaking the GFA...
Wonder if / when we will see approval of the two other vaccines? Given moderna one is very similar to Pfizer, hopefully very shortly.
I don't think it's been submitted yet as we won't get deliveries of it until April at the earliest. The AZ vaccine has already begun being delivered so I think that's the current priority.
According to the Leicester Mercury, the Pfizer vaccine is in Leicester, guarded by the military!
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
Define safe?
Care homes get visitors including doctors, nurses etc on a daily basis. So an NHS vaccinator doesn't need to have two doses before going into the care home any more than the homes staff do.
That's what the rapid tests are for, surely. Although there will no doubt be some leakage, the risk must be quite low to an individual.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
I'm struggling to see what incentive the EU actually has to do a deal before 1 Jan. Surely it would be better from their POV to let the UK dangle in the wind for a month or two before coming back to the table next year?
It depends what happens in those weeks.
Some are convinced the UK collapses into a quivering wreck desperate to make the bad Brexit go away.
I find that notion peculiar and unlikely.
Collapse? Nah. In the short term I expect some nasty hiccups in supply lines until the invisible hand of the market has time to sort everything out & marginal import / export businesses are driven out of the system though.
Brexit inevitably makes import/export of goods into and out of the UK more costly. That cost will be absorbed by the market in time & things will settle into a “new normal” which matches the available capacity.
Some businesses will go to the wall as a result & others will find their inputs more expensive by varying amounts & the cost of exporting likewise. This is one of the prices of Brexit. The treasury study that was derided as “just part of project fear” by Leave pre-referendum will turn out to be roughly accurate I would imagine.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
Define safe?
Care homes get visitors including doctors, nurses etc on a daily basis. So an NHS vaccinator doesn't need to have two doses before going into the care home any more than the homes staff do.
That's what the rapid tests are for, surely. Although there will no doubt be some leakage, the risk must be quite low to an individual.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
Caring for relatives is very important and should be prioritised but is completely different to care homes.
A care home can have a hundred residents and a hundred staff in it so logistically getting a couple of hundred doses to that home should be reasonably achievable - and they will have nurses on site. Plus a single positive case can snowball once the virus is wild in the home to result in many dozens of infections and dozens of hospitalisations and deaths.
A solitary individual or couple looking after a solitary shielding individual or couple is not the same thing.
What on earth is Blackford talking about? People like me who earn too much to qualify for the payments given to the self employed? People who have still been in work and getting paid and not on furlough? Is that is the priority?
I'm struggling to see what incentive the EU actually has to do a deal before 1 Jan. Surely it would be better from their POV to let the UK dangle in the wind for a month or two before coming back to the table next year?
Ireland won't be happy if a deal doesn't happen year end. Also then gets the EU in trouble with Biden for breaking the GFA...
How would the EU be breaking the GFA? The withdrawal agreement that the UK and EU signed in January expressly prevents the establishment of an internal Irish border in the event of no deal!
Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. And Germany and Italy aren't much better, with about a third unwilling to vaccinate.
Other countries may also struggle to vaccinate because of the decentralised and private nature of their health care systems. The NHS has very good databases for public health, via GP registration. The same is not true elsewhere.
For example, flu vaccination rates in target groups are about 70% in the UK, but less than 40% in Germany, and lower than 10% in some EU countries.
Hard to see any Unionist being reassured by that poll. 12% is quite a gap to make up.
I am quite relaxed about indy2 as if and when it is held I am confident the union will survive
I think Scottish Independence is just a matter of time. The longer it is refused, the more bitter it will be.
I do not believe it should be refused but I am confident the union will survive
How - the SNP are successfully using everything to drive a wedge between Scotland and the rest of the UK - and doing a very fine job when doing so.
Nicola is an excellent asset to the SNP.
She comes across as calm, reassuring and reasonable even when she is the polar opposite.
She is a very capable politician. Fortunately she is being challenged by some of the most devious, dishonest and vicious liars in UK politics today, all of them in the SNP. As a Unionist I wish them well, as a citizen I wonder what comes next.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
Define safe?
Care homes get visitors including doctors, nurses etc on a daily basis. So an NHS vaccinator doesn't need to have two doses before going into the care home any more than the homes staff do.
That's what the rapid tests are for, surely. Although there will no doubt be some leakage, the risk must be quite low to an individual.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
Caring for relatives is very important and should be prioritised but is completely different to care homes.
A care home can have a hundred residents and a hundred staff in it so logistically getting a couple of hundred doses to that home should be reasonably achievable - and they will have nurses on site. Plus a single positive case can snowball once the virus is wild in the home to result in many dozens of infections and dozens of hospitalisations and deaths.
A solitary individual or couple looking after a solitary shielding individual or couple is not the same thing.
I don't disagree re: care homes, they should clearly get priority.
It is the age list which, for example, might not include people aged 49 looking after two sets of parents who are all over 85 and need accompanying everywhere.
There's always going to be edge cases, though. The quicker we can get this done the better, then nobody will have reason to complain too much.
MOSCOW, November 30. /TASS/. About 20 people who were administered a first component of the Sputnik V vaccine against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, one of the organizers of clinical trials of the vaccine, Director of the Sechenov University’s Institute for Translational Medicine and Biotechnology Vadim Tarasov reported on Monday, specifying that it’s incorrect to link these cases directly to the vaccination since the infected didn’t have enough time to develop the sufficient protective immunity.
"Captain Hindsight has become General Indecision".
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.
It was a day for Johnson to be cheerful and ebullient. Like we hoped he would be. Especially since the LotO got him out of a massive hole yesterday. (Not that either of them is ever going to admit it).
That he couldn't do it is, unfortunately, the measure of the man. Worst sort of Oxford Union stuff.
Looks like France could have problems getting everyone vaccinated, whenever they start. Seems 41% aren't interested in taking it. ...
The thing about the French, which I came to understand when I Iived in France, is that they have this extraordinarily strong self-view that they are independent-minded and don't submit to authority, but in fact they are remarkably conformist, much more so than Brits. So if they're told to have the jab, which they'll probably have to do to get a job or take their children to school, they'll moan and have the jab.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
Its not as if there's a pandemic and reason for urgency is there?
Kudos to the MHRA for taking emergency authorisation as an emergency to deal with urgently.
That’s awesome. The logistics of getting this to everyone are insanely complex, can see why the military have been charged with it. I expect that, once the programme is underway, we will be seeing helicopters landing in car parks and sports fields
Yes, a very impressive start by Pfizer. Let's see how we go on...
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
Are you sure that the FDA meeting isn't just a formal approval, with the staff already working on the data?
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
Are you sure that the FDA meeting isn't just a formal approval, with the staff already working on the data?
Why drag out a formal meeting for formal approval?
The moment the staff have completed working on the data the approval should be granted as swiftly as possible, not wait a week because that's the date pencilled into the diary.
MOSCOW, November 30. /TASS/. About 20 people who were administered a first component of the Sputnik V vaccine against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, one of the organizers of clinical trials of the vaccine, Director of the Sechenov University’s Institute for Translational Medicine and Biotechnology Vadim Tarasov reported on Monday, specifying that it’s incorrect to link these cases directly to the vaccination since the infected didn’t have enough time to develop the sufficient protective immunity.
Even in the UK there will almost certainly be a small number of individuals who contract the virus in spite of being vaccinated. The tabloid headlines write themselves. It's only a matter of time.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
Are you sure that the FDA meeting isn't just a formal approval, with the staff already working on the data?
Why drag out a formal meeting for formal approval?
The moment the staff have completed working on the data the approval should be granted as swiftly as possible, not wait a week because that's the date pencilled into the diary.
I don't know enough about they work, but we're only talking about 8 days' time, so whilst it's not as fast as the UK MHRA has been, it still looks pretty damned fast.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
I doubt that the meeting would be for anything other than approval of the data. If our programme starts on the 7th, the US approves it three days later and starts their programme on the 14th, it's not a huge difference. It's the EMA that deserves the most criticism, if EU countries are going to take delivery from January then any delay is going to be very costly.
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.
Beat Wilder in February
February sure feels a year ago now. Fair enough.
That night back in February was the last time I went out to a bar/nightclub late evening, then stayed up to watch that fight. I recall seeing a story about Northern Italy and it was dawning upon me that it was a possibility we may be in trouble in the UK. It definitely does feel like forever ago.
I suppose another advantage of using Pfizer vaccine next week on frontline NHS is if (hopefully) in a week or two we get AstraZenica approval then the NHS can take that into the care homes without the supercold storage needed and with NHS staff working on it having already had round one of their own dose.
Fingers crossed.
But even for Pfizer, you need 2 jabs, 3 weeks apart and then wait a week for it to be effective....so they won't be safe until after Christmas.
The US government has got monopoly on deliveries of Moderna from December to March. From April it will be manufactured on licence in Switzerland and those initial deliveries will go to the Switzerland (15m) and the UK (7m).
I understand the protectionism for US supply of it, but how come such a large delay before it is allowed to be made under licence?
I would have thought they would be keen to make as much as possible as fast as possible, especially if AZ is approved in EU and is 1/10 of the price.
So far, I've been very disappointed with the (lack of) urgency from the EU and US. I mean the FDA doesn't even meet to approve the Pfizer jab until 10 Dec AIUI.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
I doubt that the meeting would be for anything other than approval of the data. If our programme starts on the 7th, the US approves it three days later and starts their programme on the 14th, it's not a huge difference. It's the EMA that deserves the most criticism, if EU countries are going to take delivery from January then any delay is going to be very costly.
The question is, has the MRHA made a decision on inadequate data? The Swiss government seems to think so:
It does seem as if the fast track approval is via EU rules, not Brexit flexibility:
"Under EU rules, the Pfizer vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but EU countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine at home for temporary use. Britain is still subject to EU rules until it fully leaves the bloc at the end of the year."
Actually the point that Brexit has enabled us to approve and therefore roll out the vaccine slightly more quickly is a valid one. We have, ladies and gentlemen, found the first and almost certainly the last actual positive of Brexit.
You must know the last point is daft - the ability to make quicker decisions will manifest itself as a benefit many times in the future, on many issues.
Really? Such as?
You're only limited by your imagination.
If you can't think of any examples when making quick decisions can be a benefit then I think your imagination is weak. I've long argued for nimbleness and agility as a strength.
The idea that the UK is going to be consistently nimble and agile is somewhat fanciful. We haven't exactly been nimble and agile in reforming taxation, or social care, or the NHS, or dealing with the decline of the High Street, or dealing with US mega-corporations abusing international tax rule, or setting up the computer systems and customs infrastructure for Brexit in 3 weeks time. And it certainly will never be nimble and agile under Boris - he's an even bigger ditherer than Brown.
The UK won't be led by Boris Johnson forever, we hold elections every 4-5 years and if you want a change then you can change the government every 4-5 years (or sooner if no confidence etc happens).
If Starmer has a bright idea that can improve the country and he puts that forward rather than abstaining on it then the country can choose to vote for him easier than we can reform 28 nations of the EU.
Not really, because so many things in the modern world involve negotiations with other countries. The EU speeds that up, not slows it down.
But the EU doesn't always want what we want.
We don't always want what 'we' want either.
Much better just to agree to whatever the EU thinks it wants then?
The EU is a polity. If we're part of it, then we're part of it. There's no us and them unless we leave.
Nonsense, there is always us and them. There are layers of us and them. Atomisation exists at multiple levels.
Do you think that because they're part of the UK that Nicola Sturgeon is the same "us" as Boris Johnson?
Are you part of the same "us" as me?
In this equation you are an individual voter, the UK is an amalgamation of all UK voters, and the EU is an amalgamation of all EU voters. It's perfectly possible that what you want is more aligned with the collective EU than with the collective UK.
Its possible but not true on average since your vote is greatly watered down by the 27 other nations in Europe, whereas on average across the UK your vote counts much, much more.
Yes but the majority of British voters are not Conservatives. It is reasonable to say that the Lab, LD, SNP, Green, SF and PC parties are in aggregate the majority and more aligned with the EU polity.
Certainly, I am.
Tories got 47.2% of the English vote, that's good enough for a majority as far as I'm concerned.
Adding up a rainbow doesn't make them the same colour.
'Adding up a rainbow doesn't make the same colour?'.
Yes of course it does! Time for elevenses. take a break!
Damn Tyson Fury, don’t you know that people have been betting on you?
My guessing it is really is about last time he was up for it, there was a big focus on stuff written about him in regards to his views on homosexuality vs his religious beliefs and last time it also descending into accusations of him being sexist etc.
Damn Tyson Fury, don’t you know that people have been betting on you?
My guessing it is really is about last time he was up for it, there was a big focus on stuff written about him in regards to his views on homosexuality vs his religious beliefs and last time it also descending into accusations of him being sexist etc.
Is it? Or it is all.just part of the pantomime? This morning we also had all the briefings that the EU nations thought Mr Barnier was being far too nice to the UK and he must prove to them he is still being tough.
Actually the point that Brexit has enabled us to approve and therefore roll out the vaccine slightly more quickly is a valid one. We have, ladies and gentlemen, found the first and almost certainly the last actual positive of Brexit.
You must know the last point is daft - the ability to make quicker decisions will manifest itself as a benefit many times in the future, on many issues.
Really? Such as?
You're only limited by your imagination.
If you can't think of any examples when making quick decisions can be a benefit then I think your imagination is weak. I've long argued for nimbleness and agility as a strength.
The idea that the UK is going to be consistently nimble and agile is somewhat fanciful. We haven't exactly been nimble and agile in reforming taxation, or social care, or the NHS, or dealing with the decline of the High Street, or dealing with US mega-corporations abusing international tax rule, or setting up the computer systems and customs infrastructure for Brexit in 3 weeks time. And it certainly will never be nimble and agile under Boris - he's an even bigger ditherer than Brown.
The UK won't be led by Boris Johnson forever, we hold elections every 4-5 years and if you want a change then you can change the government every 4-5 years (or sooner if no confidence etc happens).
If Starmer has a bright idea that can improve the country and he puts that forward rather than abstaining on it then the country can choose to vote for him easier than we can reform 28 nations of the EU.
Not really, because so many things in the modern world involve negotiations with other countries. The EU speeds that up, not slows it down.
But the EU doesn't always want what we want.
We don't always want what 'we' want either.
Much better just to agree to whatever the EU thinks it wants then?
The EU is a polity. If we're part of it, then we're part of it. There's no us and them unless we leave.
Nonsense, there is always us and them. There are layers of us and them. Atomisation exists at multiple levels.
Do you think that because they're part of the UK that Nicola Sturgeon is the same "us" as Boris Johnson?
Are you part of the same "us" as me?
In this equation you are an individual voter, the UK is an amalgamation of all UK voters, and the EU is an amalgamation of all EU voters. It's perfectly possible that what you want is more aligned with the collective EU than with the collective UK.
Its possible but not true on average since your vote is greatly watered down by the 27 other nations in Europe, whereas on average across the UK your vote counts much, much more.
Yes but the majority of British voters are not Conservatives. It is reasonable to say that the Lab, LD, SNP, Green, SF and PC parties are in aggregate the majority and more aligned with the EU polity.
Certainly, I am.
Tories got 47.2% of the English vote, that's good enough for a majority as far as I'm concerned.
Adding up a rainbow doesn't make them the same colour.
'Adding up a rainbow doesn't make the same colour?'.
Yes of course it does! Time for elevenses. take a break!
No it makes a new different colour.
ROYGBIV=W
Yes but
R != W O != W Y != W
etc
Saying they're the same is like saying if someone votes for hot and someone else voted for cold then the two together voted for lukewarm.
What this article fails to mention is DeepMinds can only do what it does because it gets special access to draw on massive % of the whole network of Google compute power. Google at times literally shutters off parts of their own work to allow Deepminds to run experiments across vast numbers of servers.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Is it? Or it is all.just part of the pantomime? This morning we also had all the briefings that the EU nations thought Mr Barnier was being far too nice to the UK and he must prove to them he is still being tough.
I'm sure something could be cobbled together with regard to fishing, but it is very hard to see how there can be an agreement that satisfies both sides on LPF and governance.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
I mean, I can see why Toby will be catering to the antivaxxers. You don't have to be an antivaxxer to follow him and believe him, but if you are an antivaxxer, he's the only game in town for you. And I suppose a chunk of his donations are from antivaxxers, so he has to give them what they want to see.
Is it? Or it is all.just part of the pantomime? This morning we also had all the briefings that the EU nations thought Mr Barnier was being far too nice to the UK and he must prove to them he is still being tough.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.
Wherever we stand otherwise, I think pretty much all of us on this forum can agree that these people are utter loons.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
I mean, I can see why Toby will be catering to the antivaxxers. You don't have to be an antivaxxer to follow him and believe him, but if you are an antivaxxer, he's the only game in town for you. And I suppose a chunk of his donations are from antivaxxers, so he has to give them what they want to see.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.
Its a good job in a way for the government he didn't get the schools role in the end, imagine what damage his anti-lockdown / anti-vax stance would be having. Instead luckily now he is really only a fringe public figure.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Somebody should say Toby Young and Yeadon are supporters of the Real IRA and we can intern for years.
Totally unrelated does anyone have the phone number for Special Branch?
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
So they're saying no to lockdowns and no to vaccines. Wtf is wrong with them.
And no to masks, social distancing, etc.
It's almost as if they want everyone to catch Covid so their herd immunity theories can be fulfilled.
Neither Green, nor Lib Dem, nor tree hugger. But I, too, think this is a good thing.
Are they banning the movement of all livestock? Surely not. The rules on transporting live animals is already very strict and the EU welfare standards high.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Saw that coming 🙄
What are those idiots saying now?
- Suspend the studies immediately because the efficacy will be based on FALSE POSITIVES and throw out all the data because of FALSE POSITIVES - What about Antibody Dependent Enhancement? [Because obviously no-one's thought of that or run lengthy Phase 3 studies] - Spike proteins could make you INFERTILE!! [so what about people who've been infected with the actual virus?] - Many people could get fatal allergic reactions to it! 70% of people get antibodies to polyethylene glycol which is in the Pfizer one! [Yet, somehow, no-one in the tens of thousands in the safety studies had an issue] - It's all happened too fast and what about long-term effects! [Where all the genuine experts reckon that virtually all adverse effects happen within hours or days so any long-term problems would be incredibly unlikely]
Stoking all the fears of the antivaxxers. I'm genuinely now of the belief that these disgusting excuses for human beings should be jailed.
BioNtech chap interviewed on R4 - the U.K. has as robust processes as the EUMA in assessing the vaccine - citing a specific U.K. regulation that enabled it to move more quickly. This was in response to EUMA comments that their process was “more thorough” than the U.K.
Toby and Yeadon are swinging to full-on antivax. Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
Saw that coming 🙄
What are those idiots saying now?
- Suspend the studies immediately because the efficacy will be based on FALSE POSITIVES and throw out all the data because of FALSE POSITIVES - What about Antibody Dependent Enhancement? [Because obviously no-one's thought of that or run lengthy Phase 3 studies] - Spike proteins could make you INFERTILE!! [so what about people who've been infected with the actual virus?] - Many people could get fatal allergic reactions to it! 70% of people get antibodies to polyethylene glycol which is in the Pfizer one! [Yet, somehow, no-one in the tens of thousands in the safety studies had an issue] - It's all happened too fast and what about long-term effects! [Where all the genuine experts reckon that virtually all adverse effects happen within hours or days so any long-term problems would be incredibly unlikely]
Stoking all the fears of the antivaxxers. I'm genuinely now of the belief that these disgusting excuses for human beings should be jailed.
As a vegetarian (and occasional sandal-wearing) Lib Dem, I'm very pleased with that. I'm a bit curious about the details though. If live animals can't be transported, how can they be sent for slaughter? Will animals have to be slaughtered at the farm where they are reared?
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BBC News - France to impose border checks to stop skiing abroad
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55157175
A twelve point lead is more than enough if maintained though.
One thing I'm not quite clear about is who 'care workers' actually are in the priority list. Does this include the army of people caring for their own relatives? I have to visit two sets daily so have been fully locked down throughout without the benefit of any testing.
https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/08/three-in-four-adults-globally-say-they-d-get-a-vaccine-for-covid-19-but-is-this-enough
Brexit inevitably makes import/export of goods into and out of the UK more costly. That cost will be absorbed by the market in time & things will settle into a “new normal” which matches the available capacity.
Some businesses will go to the wall as a result & others will find their inputs more expensive by varying amounts & the cost of exporting likewise. This is one of the prices of Brexit. The treasury study that was derided as “just part of project fear” by Leave pre-referendum will turn out to be roughly accurate I would imagine.
A care home can have a hundred residents and a hundred staff in it so logistically getting a couple of hundred doses to that home should be reasonably achievable - and they will have nurses on site. Plus a single positive case can snowball once the virus is wild in the home to result in many dozens of infections and dozens of hospitalisations and deaths.
A solitary individual or couple looking after a solitary shielding individual or couple is not the same thing.
She comes across as calm, reassuring and reasonable even when she is the polar opposite.
For example, flu vaccination rates in target groups are about 70% in the UK, but less than 40% in Germany, and lower than 10% in some EU countries.
Funny line and made me laugh but it was silly of Boris to use it today when he has unmitigated good news, that should have been used another time.
It is the age list which, for example, might not include people aged 49 looking after two sets of parents who are all over 85 and need accompanying everywhere.
There's always going to be edge cases, though. The quicker we can get this done the better, then nobody will have reason to complain too much.
MOSCOW, November 30. /TASS/. About 20 people who were administered a first component of the Sputnik V vaccine against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, one of the organizers of clinical trials of the vaccine, Director of the Sechenov University’s Institute for Translational Medicine and Biotechnology Vadim Tarasov reported on Monday, specifying that it’s incorrect to link these cases directly to the vaccination since the infected didn’t have enough time to develop the sufficient protective immunity.
https://tass.com/society/1229459
That he couldn't do it is, unfortunately, the measure of the man. Worst sort of Oxford Union stuff.
What exactly are they waiting for? Bloody slow coaches.
Kudos to the MHRA for taking emergency authorisation as an emergency to deal with urgently.
Yes, a very impressive start by Pfizer. Let's see how we go on...
The moment the staff have completed working on the data the approval should be granted as swiftly as possible, not wait a week because that's the date pencilled into the diary.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1333897692297261058?s=20
The last major fight of his I remember was last year not this year. Though its been a very long year so I may have got that wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N786mCawx9s
I thought that was from December for some reason. Probably because pre-March feels a lifetime ago now.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/incomplete-data-stalls-swiss-authorisation-of-covid-19-vaccines/46196598#.X8dtof2Uab8.twitter
It does seem as if the fast track approval is via EU rules, not Brexit flexibility:
"Under EU rules, the Pfizer vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but EU countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine at home for temporary use. Britain is still subject to EU rules until it fully leaves the bloc at the end of the year."
From:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28C1B9?__twitter_impression=true
There are risks in delay, but also in rushing. Let's hope that we didn't cut too many corners, not least because I am going to be getting it soon!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35031110
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1334120148660314115
R != W
O != W
Y != W
etc
Saying they're the same is like saying if someone votes for hot and someone else voted for cold then the two together voted for lukewarm.
But I, too, think this is a good thing.
What this article fails to mention is DeepMinds can only do what it does because it gets special access to draw on massive % of the whole network of Google compute power. Google at times literally shutters off parts of their own work to allow Deepminds to run experiments across vast numbers of servers.
Their latest is to call for the vaccine studies to be suspended, all data to be thrown out, and to blow up misinformation about antivaxxer fears.
At this point I think they should lock these arseholes up. Let them experience a real curtailment of liberty. They're now actively taking steps to get people killed.
What are those idiots saying now?
Utterly fucking contemptible, though.
But this panto is coming to the end of its run.
Barnier being a little philosophical, I suggest.
Totally unrelated does anyone have the phone number for Special Branch?
It's almost as if they want everyone to catch Covid so their herd immunity theories can be fulfilled.
Of course this list should have been dominated by our new Olympic champions. :-(
Unionism 2014: Yes was only ever ahead in 2 polls and the result was quite comfortable in the end.
Unionism 2020: Yes ahead in 15 polls means that it's all to play for, if there was the slightest chance of Scots being allowed to decide.
What's the opposite of evolution? Regression?
- What about Antibody Dependent Enhancement? [Because obviously no-one's thought of that or run lengthy Phase 3 studies]
- Spike proteins could make you INFERTILE!! [so what about people who've been infected with the actual virus?]
- Many people could get fatal allergic reactions to it! 70% of people get antibodies to polyethylene glycol which is in the Pfizer one! [Yet, somehow, no-one in the tens of thousands in the safety studies had an issue]
- It's all happened too fast and what about long-term effects! [Where all the genuine experts reckon that virtually all adverse effects happen within hours or days so any long-term problems would be incredibly unlikely]
Stoking all the fears of the antivaxxers. I'm genuinely now of the belief that these disgusting excuses for human beings should be jailed.
I have not heard.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1334127019299385344?s=20
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1334080104092360704