Trump’s ongoing denial about the election results isn’t going down well with voters – politicalbetti
Trump’s ongoing denial about the election results isn’t going down well with voters – politicalbetting.com
A Hill-Harris poll with a sample of 4k+ has just been published and finds that even the majority of Republican voters think Trump needs to concede.
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primus inter pares0
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From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".0 -
Democracy is more important than your own side winning.4
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Best to stuff the turkey, not the government!rottenborough said:From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".4 -
OGH said: "Meanwhile await the outcome of the Georgia recount."
Why? Nothing will change. Even if Trump could swing he would still be a loser.0 -
The Affordable Care Act's pre-existing conditions provisions are pretty popular. They are a real life saver (literally) for people with conditions who find themselves having to provide their own healthcare.Pagan2 said:
You mean things has the horribly flawed obamacare which resulted in lots of poorer americans having hours reduced so the company didnt have to supply health insurance and at the same time had to pay out money under threat of a fine due to the legislation? A stunning triumph....I know many of my american friends would disagreerkrkrk said:
Am i the only one on here who thinks he was a superb president?DavidL said:Heard Obama interview on R4 this morning. It made be all nostalgic for the days when we had politicians capable of being articulate and thinking in complete sentences. The man wasn't a great success as President, he achieved far less than might have been hoped, but my goodness can he speak.
Phenomenal domestic policy achievements. Probably an A- president. The best since probably Truman/FDR.
I just Googled and found this polling: https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/29/obamacare-support-polling-supreme-court/2 -
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:Democracy is more important than your own side winning.
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Is twitter down?0
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Except it may well be their relatives that get stuffed...rottenborough said:From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".3 -
You have a republic madam, if you can keep it.Philip_Thompson said:Democracy is more important than your own side winning.
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I agree, but as a country we can't really talk given our history between 2016 and 2019. However long Trump stays, he will be gone long before 2023.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:Democracy is more important than your own side winning.
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The aca certainly benefitted some it also disadvantaged some was the point I was making, I certainly know people that had their hours reduced to below the 30 hours needed to qualify as a full time employee for purposes of the act. I suspect they have rather a different view of obamacare. I also know people who had a company health plan but because it didnt cover all the things the ACA said it had to that the premiums were raised to the point the company no longer offered a health plan.rcs1000 said:
The Affordable Care Act's pre-existing conditions provisions are pretty popular. They are a real life saver (literally) for people with conditions who find themselves having to provide their own healthcare.Pagan2 said:
You mean things has the horribly flawed obamacare which resulted in lots of poorer americans having hours reduced so the company didnt have to supply health insurance and at the same time had to pay out money under threat of a fine due to the legislation? A stunning triumph....I know many of my american friends would disagreerkrkrk said:
Am i the only one on here who thinks he was a superb president?DavidL said:Heard Obama interview on R4 this morning. It made be all nostalgic for the days when we had politicians capable of being articulate and thinking in complete sentences. The man wasn't a great success as President, he achieved far less than might have been hoped, but my goodness can he speak.
Phenomenal domestic policy achievements. Probably an A- president. The best since probably Truman/FDR.
There are people who got better health care, there are also people that if affected quite negatively0 -
And the rest of us will be locked down throughout January thanks to this fuckwittery.rottenborough said:From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".4 -
Celebrate Christmas. It may be the last time you see your loved ones.rottenborough said:From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".1 -
Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
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At Betfair right now, £21m is there for those who wish to back Biden at between 1.03 and 1.05. The overall amount matched so far in the WH2020 market is £790m.
The interesting thing for me isn't why Betfair are keeping the market open, which they are fully entitled to do. It's why there continues to be such high liquidity.0 -
You need the word 'and' after Christmas.dixiedean said:
Celebrate Christmas. It may be the last time you see your loved ones.rottenborough said:From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".4 -
FPT.
Excellent. Like a stage play. One of the UK's most talented directors. At first it looked like it was being laid on with a trowel but thanks to te theatricality he got away with it. BBC at its bestFoxy said:
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We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.4 -
We are all wondering that. And welcome.Miljo said:At Betfair right now, £21m is there for those who wish to back Biden at between 1.03 and 1.05. The overall amount matched so far in the WH2020 market is £790m.
The interesting thing for me isn't why Betfair are keeping the market open, which they are fully entitled to do. It's why there continues to be such high liquidity.0 -
Good take on Trump reaction...
In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris discusses President Trump’s failure to concede the 2020 presidential election.
https://samharris.org/podcasts/225-republic-lies/0 -
Dem Majority in House and Senate market still had a non zero amount of money in it in a market that cannot possibly settle for Yes.Miljo said:At Betfair right now, £21m is there for those who wish to back Biden at between 1.03 and 1.05. The overall amount matched so far in the WH2020 market is £790m.
The interesting thing for me isn't why Betfair are keeping the market open, which they are fully entitled to do. It's why there continues to be such high liquidity.0 -
Are we?Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.0 -
Laura K doesn't hold out too much hope for Patel.
Wonderful news . The worst of a truly appalling cabinet4 -
A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
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It was subtly (obviously too subtly) implied.SandyRentool said:
You need the word 'and' after Christmas.dixiedean said:
Celebrate Christmas. It may be the last time you see your loved ones.rottenborough said:From previous thread, where xmas was being debated:
I've already heard from several people that they are planning to do a normal xmas and "the government can get stuffed".1 -
Michigan House of Representatives has 58 Republicans and 52 Democrats.
Michigan Senate has 22 Republicans and 16 Democrats.
So Republicans have clear majority but in neither case an overwhelming one.
Will enough Republicans stick to the Party line and vote to overturn the election?
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One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.0 -
I don't doubt they are going to try and get the rates up as high as possible. I hope you don't mind being given the jab by a squaddie.FrancisUrquhart said:A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
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I think so, this side of Christmas it'll start.Gallowgate said:
Are we?Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.1 -
BBC News - Coronavirus: Europe faces 'six tough months' of pandemic, WHO says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55008447
Again no mention of Poland.0 -
Are we supposed to recognise 'Holly' from her breasts?FrancisUrquhart said:A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
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Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron did too in his time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types0
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And before Christmas the government is letting in people from countries with far higher covid levels so that they can work in meat processing plants which are notorious for covid outbreaks.Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.
When a government does something that fuckwitted its not surprising that people think they can ignore guidelines.0 -
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1329549628358987778
Oh FFS.
Politics and medicine. What a foul mixture.3 -
Local news had surgeries rushing to finish flu shots as there needs to be a week between that and coronavirus. Implication it is imminent (2 weeks was mentioned).Gallowgate said:
Are we?Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.0 -
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
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Wait until you hear their plans for letting hundreds of thousands go skiing at half term in virus hotspots of europe.another_richard said:
And before Christmas the government is letting in people from countries with far higher covid levels so that they can work in meat processing plants which are notorious for covid outbreaks.Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.
When a government does something that fuckwitted its not surprising that people think they can ignore guidelines.0 -
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.1 -
Trump I guessRoy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
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I feel we need our 'being given the jab by a squaddie' corespondent Dura Ace to comment upon this.RobD said:
I don't doubt they are going to try and get the rates up as high as possible. I hope you don't mind being given the jab by a squaddie.FrancisUrquhart said:A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1329544698135015432?s=191 -
Dishy Rishi not going to be quite so popular...
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Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
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2 hours of training via an online video says leak to Guardian.RobD said:
I don't doubt they are going to try and get the rates up as high as possible. I hope you don't mind being given the jab by a squaddie.FrancisUrquhart said:A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1329544698135015432?s=190 -
The pension rise will be the big argument.FrancisUrquhart said:Dishy Rishi not going to be quite so popular...
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The chaos began when Trump took office. It seems pretty strange to blame Obama for that.isam said:
Trump I guessRoy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
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That is 1 hour and 59 minutes more than you need to instruct someone adequately how to give an intramuscular injection. Which they know anyway presumably because morphine, battles etc.rottenborough said:
2 hours of training via an online video says leak to Guardian.RobD said:
I don't doubt they are going to try and get the rates up as high as possible. I hope you don't mind being given the jab by a squaddie.FrancisUrquhart said:A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
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Though nice to see that I get a bung. Gonna need it for the extra taxes.FrancisUrquhart said:Dishy Rishi not going to be quite so popular...
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And it's not a "recount" it's an "audit".Beibheirli_C said:OGH said: "Meanwhile await the outcome of the Georgia recount."
Why? Nothing will change. Even if Trump could swing he would still be a loser.0 -
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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If the GOP overturn the result via dodgy ECV electors then it's civil war.MikeL said:
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.0 -
You judge for yourself.williamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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Consider it strange thenRoy_G_Biv said:
The chaos began when Trump took office. It seems pretty strange to blame Obama for that.isam said:
Trump I guessRoy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
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Australia's reputation severely tarnished Just after Tony Abbott becomes Johnson's trade envoy.
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That was a stupid thing of Obama. What really showed his character though was the look in his eyes at the end.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.0
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Much more importantly it's a payout on a Trump win by Betfair. Anyone taking the 1.05 wants their head feeling.rottenborough said:
If the GOP overturn the result via dodgy ECV electors then it's civil war.MikeL said:
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.0 -
DiddumsLuckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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You don't recognise Holly Willough-boobies?Roger said:
Are we supposed to recognise 'Holly' from her breasts?FrancisUrquhart said:A 1 million a day, sounds like Boris has been making up targets again...
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1329544698135015432?s=19
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Just finished off the 8-part Scandi series DNA on iPlayer (hat-tip AndyJS for pointing it out) - really moving, multi-layered series (police drama on child abuction, with guest participation by Charlotte Rampling), with a very touching final installment. Recommended if you don't mind subtitltes (Danish/Polish, with smatterings with English and French) - it's by one of the authors of The Killing and The Bridge, though less gory and closer to everyday dilemmas. The first installment is over-melodramatic, but after that it just gets better and better.1
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Trump has got his revenge.rottenborough said:Is twitter down?
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That's an odd reason not to like him. Most US Presidents weren't keen on Britain.Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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The MPs pay rise may beat that.another_richard said:
The pension rise will be the big argument.FrancisUrquhart said:Dishy Rishi not going to be quite so popular...
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Important post and there is way too much complacency. The dynamic is weird and unusual in that Trump has various incentives to keep it going forever, and Republicans are a mix of too scared of him and his voters and too enthused by him to stand up to it. It will therefore keep going on chipping away at the democratic fabric or perhaps even destroying it. Pursuing the coup through legal fiction also means that the accomplices and enablers are unlikely to ever face any sanctions for their actions, indeed they will be rewarded for it in primaries to come.MikeL said:
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.
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Oooooo. Chaos.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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Didn't say I liked them either.williamglenn said:
That's an odd reason not to like him. Most US Presidents weren't keen on Britain.Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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Isn't that why the British Britain-haters love him?Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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Maybe originally. Not since WWII at least.williamglenn said:
That's an odd reason not to like him. Most US Presidents weren't keen on Britain.Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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In terms of foreign events linked to US policy, Obama's term was objectively more chaotic than Trump's.Roy_G_Biv said:
Oooooo. Chaos.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
https://youtu.be/wC1NGWM8gP80 -
Quite possibly.geoffw said:
Isn't that why the British Britain-haters love him?Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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Trump was the chaos Woy!Roy_G_Biv said:
Oooooo. Chaos.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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I'm levelled off now in the main presidential market on Betfair, so this isn't my pocket talking but Pelosi can put a stone cold stop to all this.MikeL said:
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.
One Dem congressman, one Dem senator file an objection at the Electoral Count when Michigan's subverted GOP electors are read out. Electoral Count pauses,house doesn't reach a decision till 20th January. By operation of law Trump ceases his presidency on the 20th January and acting then President Pelosi directs the national guard to arrest him from the White House. The Democrats may well fuck this particular trick up - they're as incompetent sometimes as the GOP is outright evil.0 -
Yes, precisely. The imminent prospect of vaccines being widely available - looking to be effective, safe, and ready to be produced in huge quantities - is a very strong argument for hunkering down over the next few months. The end is now very clearly in sight; a case deferred is now clearly a case that doesn't have to happen, a death postponed is a life saved. There was an argument for saying 'we just have to live with this and we're all going to be exposed to it in the end' if no vaccine was coming soon, but that argument no longer applies.Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.10 -
But Christmas.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, precisely. The imminent prospect of vaccines being widely available - looking to be effective, safe, and ready to be produced in huge quantities - is a very strong argument for hunkering down over the next few months. The end is now very clearly in sight; a case deferred is now clearly a case that doesn't have to happen, a death postponed is a life saved. There was an argument for saying 'we just have to live with this and we're all going to be exposed to it in the end' if no vaccine was coming soon, but that argument no longer applies.Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
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Yes.Gallowgate said:
Are we?Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.0 -
Something Obama said that made me think of a betting analogy was that getting where you want to get to doesn’t happen in a straight line. If you win 5% a year betting you have days where you lose over 100%, weeks where you lose 15% months where you lose 5%. It would be nice to win in a straight line, but it doesn’t happen. Same with progress in politics1
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Agree. You think it makes no sense then it all comes together very elegantly and poignantly.NickPalmer said:Just finished off the 8-part Scandi series DNA on iPlayer (hat-tip AndyJS for pointing it out) - really moving, multi-layered series (police drama on child abuction, with guest participation by Charlotte Rampling), with a very touching final installment. Recommended if you don't mind subtitltes (Danish/Polish, with smatterings with English and French) - it's by one of the authors of The Killing and The Bridge, though less gory and closer to everyday dilemmas. The first installment is over-melodramatic, but after that it just gets better and better.
Started on Mangrove this evening. Excellent. Very humbling and sobering also esp. when anyone should choose to query why we should as a society go out of our way to be aware of the history of black people in this country.0 -
In terms of fascist marches and churn of White House staff and acolytes' criminal convictions and social media invective and grossly mismanaged health crises and the gutting of international institutions and allies insulted and trade wars and government shutdowns and just the whole numbing shitness of the Loser-in-Chief failing to recognise that his own people have booted him so heartily from office.... but never mind all that. Foreign events "linked to US policy". Right. [Pats williamglenn on the head]williamglenn said:
In terms of foreign events linked to US policy, Obama's term was objectively more chaotic than Trump's.Roy_G_Biv said:
Oooooo. Chaos.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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I never liked Dickhead Donald Trump! He lost the popular vote not just ONCE, but TWICE!Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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Yang? Buttigieg?CarlottaVance said:Wonder who that could be?
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Trump won in 2016 because he wasn't Hillary.isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron did too in his time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
Biden won in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
In 2016, had he been able to stand again, I think Obama would have trounced Trump.4 -
Do you like being humbled and sobered?TOPPING said:
Agree. You think it makes no sense then it all comes together very elegantly and poignantly.NickPalmer said:Just finished off the 8-part Scandi series DNA on iPlayer (hat-tip AndyJS for pointing it out) - really moving, multi-layered series (police drama on child abuction, with guest participation by Charlotte Rampling), with a very touching final installment. Recommended if you don't mind subtitltes (Danish/Polish, with smatterings with English and French) - it's by one of the authors of The Killing and The Bridge, though less gory and closer to everyday dilemmas. The first installment is over-melodramatic, but after that it just gets better and better.
Started on Mangrove this evening. Excellent. Very humbling and sobering also esp. when anyone should choose to query why we should as a society go out of our way to be aware of the history of black people in this country.0 -
Exactly right.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, precisely. The imminent prospect of vaccines being widely available - looking to be effective, safe, and ready to be produced in huge quantities - is a very strong argument for hunkering down over the next few months. The end is now very clearly in sight; a case deferred is now clearly a case that doesn't have to happen, a death postponed is a life saved. There was an argument for saying 'we just have to live with this and we're all going to be exposed to it in the end' if no vaccine was coming soon, but that argument no longer applies.Philip_Thompson said:We are literally weeks away from vaccinations starting and some are losing their minds like this is never going to end so let's go crazy.
It is insane.
I've been consistently of the view that if vaccines didn't happen, we would have to accept the virus and live our lives without them (risk segmentation etc).
However, vaccines did happen.
Therefore, it's crazy to infect granny before we inject granny. Christmas is a dangerous distraction.2 -
Went off the rails at the end, though, with a storyline that became less and less credible. And that policewoman who kept taking massive blows to the head and then reappearing in the next scene with just a small plaster. Still, I always thought nuns were evil.NickPalmer said:Just finished off the 8-part Scandi series DNA on iPlayer (hat-tip AndyJS for pointing it out) - really moving, multi-layered series (police drama on child abuction, with guest participation by Charlotte Rampling), with a very touching final installment. Recommended if you don't mind subtitltes (Danish/Polish, with smatterings with English and French) - it's by one of the authors of The Killing and The Bridge, though less gory and closer to everyday dilemmas. The first installment is over-melodramatic, but after that it just gets better and better.
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He wasn’t able to stand again. And his smart arse piss takes out of Trump helped enable Trump. As Cameron’s smart arse piss takes out of Leave enabled Leavercs1000 said:
Trump won in 2016 because he wasn't Hillary.isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron did too in his time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
Biden won in 2020 because he wasn't Trump.
In 2016, had he been able to stand again, I think Obama would have trounced Trump.
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No, it's the remaining 14 (not 15) who all so predictably signed that letter.CarlottaVance said:
More importantly, 25 other Labour NEC members didn't. The difference between those two numbers shows just how comfortable a majority on the NEC Starmer now has.
https://twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/13295287043520798720 -
It was a very uncomfortable experience.Luckyguy1983 said:
Do you like being humbled and sobered?TOPPING said:
Agree. You think it makes no sense then it all comes together very elegantly and poignantly.NickPalmer said:Just finished off the 8-part Scandi series DNA on iPlayer (hat-tip AndyJS for pointing it out) - really moving, multi-layered series (police drama on child abuction, with guest participation by Charlotte Rampling), with a very touching final installment. Recommended if you don't mind subtitltes (Danish/Polish, with smatterings with English and French) - it's by one of the authors of The Killing and The Bridge, though less gory and closer to everyday dilemmas. The first installment is over-melodramatic, but after that it just gets better and better.
Started on Mangrove this evening. Excellent. Very humbling and sobering also esp. when anyone should choose to query why we should as a society go out of our way to be aware of the history of black people in this country.
Which is from time to time a good thing but by all means stick to Friends as it's much the easier watch if that's your thing.0 -
Apologies, America was clearly an unmitigated force for good and a shining city upon a hill until Trump arrived and spoilt everything...Roy_G_Biv said:
In terms of fascist marches and churn of White House staff and acolytes' criminal convictions and social media invective and grossly mismanaged health crises and the gutting of international institutions and allies insulted and trade wars and government shutdowns and just the whole numbing shitness of the Loser-in-Chief failing to recognise that his own people have booted him so heartily from office.... but never mind all that. Foreign events "linked to US policy". Right. [Pats williamglenn on the head]williamglenn said:
In terms of foreign events linked to US policy, Obama's term was objectively more chaotic than Trump's.Roy_G_Biv said:
Oooooo. Chaos.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
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Ah, the old "you won't agree with my idiotic views, so I'll make up another idiotic view and assign it to you" defence.williamglenn said:
Apologies, America was clearly an unmitigated force for good and a shining city upon a hill until Trump arrived and spoilt everything...Roy_G_Biv said:
In terms of fascist marches and churn of White House staff and acolytes' criminal convictions and social media invective and grossly mismanaged health crises and the gutting of international institutions and allies insulted and trade wars and government shutdowns and just the whole numbing shitness of the Loser-in-Chief failing to recognise that his own people have booted him so heartily from office.... but never mind all that. Foreign events "linked to US policy". Right. [Pats williamglenn on the head]williamglenn said:
In terms of foreign events linked to US policy, Obama's term was objectively more chaotic than Trump's.Roy_G_Biv said:
Oooooo. Chaos.isam said:
I was thinking of thiswilliamglenn said:
Was this a wise thing to do?Roy_G_Biv said:
What chaos did Obama leave behind?isam said:Watching Obama last night on the BBC (free half hour of advertising for his book you might say) he did come across so well. Cameron and Blair did too in their time, but I think why these smooth types end up leaving chaos behind is their inability to resist sniping at their more explosive rivals (Trump/Farage/Leave) whilst selling themselves as moderate and reasonable. It pushes people towards the extremes, and I think Starmer is making the same error with Corbyn. It is for the likes of Farage/Trump and Jez to purge, not moderate centrist types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA
https://youtu.be/wC1NGWM8gP8
Sometimes known as the strawman fallacy, but I prefer to think of it as the I-can-think-of-more-stupid-ideas-than-you gambit. Well done, you. [A second pat on the head]1 -
The NYT point that its only ever been held by white men might suggest not the latter.noneoftheabove said:
Yang? Buttigieg?CarlottaVance said:Wonder who that could be?
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1329552545304485889?s=20
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Yes, I saw the video posted on here last night.Pulpstar said:
I'm levelled off now in the main presidential market on Betfair, so this isn't my pocket talking but Pelosi can put a stone cold stop to all this.MikeL said:
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.
One Dem congressman, one Dem senator file an objection at the Electoral Count when Michigan's subverted GOP electors are read out. Electoral Count pauses,house doesn't reach a decision till 20th January. By operation of law Trump ceases his presidency on the 20th January and acting then President Pelosi directs the national guard to arrest him from the White House. The Democrats may well fuck this particular trick up - they're as incompetent sometimes as the GOP is outright evil.
And worth noting that under the scenario required to stop Trump, it would be Pelosi and not Biden who would become President.
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I see we are back to coup d'etat hour on PB. The wine has sunk in, the fantastical posts are leaking through the mist.MikeL said:
Anything is possible.rottenborough said:
One of those summoned said on Tuesday that the result would not be changed. Now he is not responding to requests for comment.Alistair said:Look, I'm not saying the situation is serious but the NY Times couldn't even do a "both sides" headline
https://twitter.com/skantrow/status/1329531142186340357?s=19
Hope that doesn't mean he's busy changing his mind.
I think there has been an enormous amount of complacency - because what Trump is trying to do is so outlandish everyone just assumes it couldn't possibly happen.
Well I think it's clear now that they are going to play every conceivable trick in the book - Republican canvassers won't certify results, Republican legislatures will appoint Trump electors - they will literally go for anything.
I fully accept that most people think they won't succeed and that may well be correct - but I wouldn't put money on it - this is the USA with a highly politicised Judiciary - absolutely anything could happen.
To be clear: Ain't gonna happen.0 -
Haha fair point. Off she goes again. But actually I thought it all came together at the end.IanB2 said:
Went off the rails at the end, though, with a storyline that became less and less credible. And that policewoman who kept taking massive blows to the head and then reappearing in the next scene with just a small plaster. Still, I always thought nuns were evil.NickPalmer said:Just finished off the 8-part Scandi series DNA on iPlayer (hat-tip AndyJS for pointing it out) - really moving, multi-layered series (police drama on child abuction, with guest participation by Charlotte Rampling), with a very touching final installment. Recommended if you don't mind subtitltes (Danish/Polish, with smatterings with English and French) - it's by one of the authors of The Killing and The Bridge, though less gory and closer to everyday dilemmas. The first installment is over-melodramatic, but after that it just gets better and better.
And yes also it did seem that the Catholic church was stealing people's babies to give them to gay couples which is certainly a mixed message!0 -
UK-lovers seem to love him for saying that the US has a deep interest in ensuring the UK remains "strong, robust and united". Perhaps it was a passing fancy.geoffw said:
Isn't that why the British Britain-haters love him?Luckyguy1983 said:I never liked Barack Obama. He came across as a Britain-hater.
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