Cummings – the end of the line for his time at Number 10? – politicalbetting.com
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I rather suspect that Johnson will go down in history as the textbook lesson in why becoming PM without any guiding purpose for what you want to achieve in the job is usually a disaster. Why is he there? He doesn't even really believe in Brexit never mind anything else.Foxy said:
I suspect that his violin is now firewood.IanB2 said:
It's certainly gone very quiet on the classical music front. More than that, it isn't legally safe to speculate.Gardenwalker said:I was interested to note in the Guardian article that Ms Symonds was close to Lord Goldsmith.
Does anyone know if Boris is still taking violin lessons?
BoZo is a cork in a storm, with no control over events, and with no interest in policy or planning, merely agreeing with the last person that he spoke to. That is why his unelected advisors matter, never before have we had such an intellectual and moral vacuum at the heart of government.SouthamObserver said:On Monday Boris Johnson wanted Lee Cain to be his chief of staff. He was overruled. Now, on Friday, Johnson’s weakness is there for all to see. Because he is bone idle, he is not in control.
I'm sure Steve Richards will be able to fill in the details.1 -
Fingers crossedrottenborough said:
Suddenly 2020 seems to be turning itself around. Next step: Oxford declare a 95% effective vaccine.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news0 -
As I was saying: I won't believe it until I see Cummings physically out of the building...
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That is beyond my ability to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:
New PB rule, if you're going to use French words, you have to make sure you use the appropriate l'accent circonflexe et al.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news0 -
That is a bit harsh on golfers surely?CarlottaVance said:
[Thinks.... remembers Dad teaching me to swing a club....]
On second thoughts, maybe not.
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There is a particular type of person who crops up quite a bit in every field; that is the dynamic big project person who sees the big, shiny, debt incurring and expensive bit through to the end right up to the point when operation and implementation is just about to start. They then leave for the next project for which someone else is providing the cash and repeat. If Cummings leaves at Christmas and real post transition Brexit starts on 1st January does that tell us something?2
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As I posted earlier, being made head of his little baby will be the price paid to get rid of him. I can see no earthily reason why he is qualified to run this organization but otherwise it is a good idea and worth investigating.Stuartinromford said:
Whilst I'm sure that Dom would like that train set to play with to be in his Christmas stocking, surely the fact that he's a posh school / Oxford Humanities blagger ought to disqualify him?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Former evening newspaper editors do not count as reliable sources.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm told by a very reliable source that Cummings will be back next year as head of the government backed/run UK DARPA.
Nonetheless, the idea of UK DARPA or its equivalent is an attractive one. In practice, however, if it just ends up taking money from the existing research agencies, it will probably weaken our research base.
Even if he weren't obviously damaged goods...
I will be utterly stunned if he doesn't end up with this role after Downing Street to be honest.0 -
People will always have advisers and spouses (or spouses to be in this case) so I tend to find the emphasis on the unelected to be somewhat strange in implication. I think everyone agrees they should not have too much power, but the way people talk no unelected person should be involved at all. See otherwise very sensible people genuinely acting as though the PM having a press secretary is a derogation of the PMs responsibilities.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nobody voted for Dom Cummings either, but we are where we are.Andy_JS said:Nobody voted for Carrie Symonds. It's disappointing to read reports saying that she has a big political influence in number 10.
I think it's hard to know precisely when a line is crossed. I dont know why, for instance, being the First Lady (and eventually First Gentleman) need mean anything official at all, or place any expectations on that person. And while, being cold about this, there are things a political leader should not share even with their spouse, it is human nature and not unreasonable that they would discuss and be guided by their life partner in many ways, so we shouldn't get too worked up.
With advisers, perhaps the line being crossed is when they seek to make themselves the story and are treated as a decision maker. At that point you are in the wrong job.0 -
And there was me thinking itd been a bit blunt.DavidL said:
A slightly more nuanced response than most this morning. Thanks.kle4 said:
I can see your point in theory as institutions do need a shake up, but something useful needs to come from that shake up. As your permanent revolution line suggests there are limits.DavidL said:Unlike many on here I have a lot of time for Cummings. He is an iconoclast, and lordy do we need some of them. The smug, self-satisfied blob that runs our institutions, government and society seriously need a good kicking. And then some more kicking.
But a government cannot run as a permanent revolution. Eventually a modus operandi needs to be reached with the establishment and some compromises need to be made. I think Cummings saw this himself in his January blog. And he was right. As usual.
And blundering in and cocking things about in unearned confidence may in fact shake things up in a way to prevent actually useful shakeups in future.
If some arrogant, rude svengali messes everyone about to the point those following them are wary of even trying to sort things out it has been a net loss, even if the alternative was a sclerotic blob.
It's the 'upsets the right people' level analysis and its crap.1 -
Glad to see Cummings go. Hopefully Johnson will be replaced by Rishi Sunak within the next 12 months.0
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The owners of an empty property may owe some Council Tax -- but my understanding is that the owners of the farm are Dominic Cummings' parents.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Add it to the unpaid council tax for money Cummings owes British taxpayers.rottenborough said:0 -
Yes they are in banking. I had a devil of a time finding a business bank account who would accept international payments - the uncertainty around Brexit has really spooked them. But anything to do with logistics? Hard to prepare when you don't know what to prepare for...FeersumEnjineeya said:Some organisations are preparing. I've just been informed (very apologetically) that my German credit card will be cancelled on 31 December because there is not yet any legal framework in place for the bank in question to be able to continue providing it to me.
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Christmas Jim'll Fix It special from Broadmoor. Frankie Fraser got to fly with the Red Arrows.Gallowgate said:
What the hell is going on here!?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/edwest/status/1327169318019330048
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Indeed. I seem to recall Cherie Blair getting criticised for saying "we in the government" at some event or something.DeClare said:
Clementine ChurchillAndy_JS said:Nobody voted for Carrie Symonds. It's disappointing to read reports saying that she has a big political influence in number 10.
Eleonor Roosevelt
Nancy Reagan
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Same puppet different puppet master(s)0
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Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
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wE hOlD aLL tHe cARdSHYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
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Some people see any deal as being on the EUs terms, from both sides if the divide. The ones who basically go 'the EU wants a deal so it is bad' are pretty frustrating. Even if its weighted more to them than us - negotiations go like that sometimes - it doesn't automatically mean it's bad.HYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
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Except Farage got his highest ever GE voteshare in 2015, 12%, yet Cameron still got a majority and beat Ed Miliband's Labour.SouthamObserver said:A Tory pivot back to cuddly Cameroonism will be very good news for Nigel Farage. And, therefore, for Labour.
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Given the pummeling that Bruno got from Mike Tyson one would have thought that shaking hands with Sutcliffe would be one of his lesser worries.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-frank-bruno-reveals-1430910Gallowgate said:
What the hell is going on here!?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/edwest/status/1327169318019330048
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Sunak's popularity with Labour voters isn't particularly important, it's his popularity with Tory voters that matters.HYUFD said:1 -
He might be gone by late Summer after a shabby deal with the EU and Covid out of the way but often the successor is not one of the more obvious candidates.Andy_JS said:Glad to see Cummings go. Hopefully Johnson will be replaced by Rishi Sunak within the next 12 months.
Whoever it is would have nearly three years to sort out the economy and that will have to be their overwhelming priority.0 -
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Last week I predicted US cases would top 150K sometime this week (again not a difficult prediction). Yesterday was 162K. Probably 200K by at least one day late next week.
Worldometer prediction for deaths is just under 440K by the end of February.
And the US has to wait until 20/1/21 for a president to do anything about it.
Where is @contrarian now cherry picking a weekend number for US deaths now?0 -
All meant kindly, but I'm not good at writing humour!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Dear me.OldKingCole said:
With respect, Mr G, a 'fazed' transition is surely what we're worried about; what we need is a 'phased' transition .Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news
Although, of course, what we really need is no transition at all!
Thank you so much for correcting me0 -
My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.0
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It's hard to see how there can be a deal now, at least not of the kind that allows the relatively unimpeded flow of goods. The government has painted itself into corner, and it is not in the EU's interests to compromise sufficiently to allow an escape. January is going to bring utter chaos.kle4 said:
Some people see any deal as being on the EUs terms, from both sides if the divide. The ones who basically go 'the EU wants a deal so it is bad' are pretty frustrating. Even if its weighted more to them than us - negotiations go like that sometimes - it doesn't automatically mean it's bad.HYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
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He's still trying to work out why North Carolina isn't worth 80 electoral college votes.kjh said:O/T
Last week I predicted US cases would top 150K sometime this week (again not a difficult prediction). Yesterday was 162K. Probably 200K by at least one day late next week.
Worldometer prediction for deaths is just under 440K by the end of February.
And the US has to wait until 20/1/21 for a president to do anything about it.
Where is @contrarian now cherry picking a weekend number for US deaths now?2 -
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If only the Prime Minister hadn't unpersoned all the Conservative MPs who thought No Deal was a really bad idea.Gallowgate said:
wE hOlD aLL tHe cARdSHYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1326927929822081024?s=20
Dom might be going, but his legacy will live on for a long time.2 -
It was a politics thing, Charles, not hugely important.Charles said:
Did they? I didn’t noticeTOPPING said:
Charles is only following the govt's failed attempts last time to rebrand the transition period as an implementation period.ydoethur said:
That’s an irregular verb, isn’t it? They Brexit in name only, you have a transition period, we are in an implementation phase.Charles said:
Don’t be sillyWhisperingOracle said:
There does seem to be various speculation of the Carrie group supporting extending the transition. That would be very good and sensible if true, and I'm sure Sunak would welcome it too, considering the still very dicey situation we're in socially, economically and health-wise.edmundintokyo said:It's weird, it's like all the bullshit is finally winding down, yet somehow Brexit is still there.
The transition is done
We move into a 12 month “gradual implementation” phase at this point
Huge success back then....1 -
Might I suggest that you do what I do; cheat. That is I look up what I want to to write in French on Google or Google translate, then cut and paste.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is beyond my ability to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:
New PB rule, if you're going to use French words, you have to make sure you use the appropriate l'accent circonflexe et al.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news1 -
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The two often go together. The amoral often believe that their lack of empathy is a sign of intellectual superiority. The reality it shows that they have no real understanding of what is happening around them. Moral blindness leads to intellectual blindness.Beibheirli_C said:
Caused by the intellectual and moral vacuum in his head?Foxy said:
I suspect that his violin is now firewood.IanB2 said:
It's certainly gone very quiet on the classical music front. More than that, it isn't legally safe to speculate.Gardenwalker said:I was interested to note in the Guardian article that Ms Symonds was close to Lord Goldsmith.
Does anyone know if Boris is still taking violin lessons?
BoZo is a cork in a storm, with no control over events, and with no interest in policy or planning, merely agreeing with the last person that he spoke to. That is why his unelected advisors matter, never before have we had such an intellectual and moral vacuum at the heart of government.SouthamObserver said:On Monday Boris Johnson wanted Lee Cain to be his chief of staff. He was overruled. Now, on Friday, Johnson’s weakness is there for all to see. Because he is bone idle, he is not in control.
How did we wind up with this clown?
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Cameron won an outright election victory against a far better opponent than Johnson had to face. Johnson was up against the most unelectable leader of a main party in the history of British politics. No debate. And a vile racist at that.SouthamObserver said:A Tory pivot back to cuddly Cameroonism will be very good news for Nigel Farage. And, therefore, for Labour.
Just saying.0 -
LinkedIn?HYUFD said:twitter.com/ranil/status/1326896679036006401?s=20
Does anyone use that these days?0 -
Yes 2019 Tory voters and LD voters in 2019 (many of whom have now defected to Starmer Labour) are the key demographic Sunak needs to appeal to (the latter to offset any hardline Leavers who will defect back to Farage after a trade deal with the EU), he can afford to be hated by those who voted for Corbyn last yearAndy_JS said:
Sunak's popularity with Labour voters isn't particularly important, it's his popularity with Tory voters that matters.HYUFD said:0 -
One year, when I was doing the London Marathon, up ahead of me I saw this mountain that seemed to be moving albeit moving very slowly. It was casting a shadow on all around it and I couldn't work out what it was. When I got level, I saw that it was Frank!Stocky said:
Given the pummeling that Bruno got from Mike Tyson one would have thought that shaking hands with Sutcliffe would be one of his lesser worries.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-frank-bruno-reveals-1430910Gallowgate said:
What the hell is going on here!?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/edwest/status/1327169318019330048
I met him once at a reception and he was super nice, hugely modest, very unaasuming.
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Yes we do. That is the whole point of independence.Gallowgate said:
wE hOlD aLL tHe cARdSHYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1326927929822081024?s=20
You repeating it sarcastically does not change that basic fact, nor does juvenile caps alternation.0 -
Cameron lost seats to Milliband. He won enough from his erstwhile allies the LibDems to govern alone.HYUFD said:
Except Farage got his highest ever GE voteshare in 2015, 12%, yet Cameron still got a majority and beat Ed Miliband's Labour.SouthamObserver said:A Tory pivot back to cuddly Cameroonism will be very good news for Nigel Farage. And, therefore, for Labour.
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I know and I appreciate itOldKingCole said:
All meant kindly, but I'm not good at writing humour!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Dear me.OldKingCole said:
With respect, Mr G, a 'fazed' transition is surely what we're worried about; what we need is a 'phased' transition .Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news
Although, of course, what we really need is no transition at all!
Thank you so much for correcting me1 -
I deleted my LinkedIn profile years ago. It was quite plain that the main users where recruiters and all I was doing was providing my information to them in the form of a giant and highly detailed CV.TheScreamingEagles said:
LinkedIn?HYUFD said:twitter.com/ranil/status/1326896679036006401?s=20
Does anyone us that these days?1 -
I find this instinctively very compelling. I wonder whether these have been studies done correlation sociopathy with the Dunning–Kruger effect.Foxy said:
The two often go together. The amoral often believe that their lack of empathy is a sign of intellectual superiority. The reality it shows that they have no real understanding of what is happening around them. Moral blindness leads to intellectual blindness.Beibheirli_C said:
Caused by the intellectual and moral vacuum in his head?Foxy said:
I suspect that his violin is now firewood.IanB2 said:
It's certainly gone very quiet on the classical music front. More than that, it isn't legally safe to speculate.Gardenwalker said:I was interested to note in the Guardian article that Ms Symonds was close to Lord Goldsmith.
Does anyone know if Boris is still taking violin lessons?
BoZo is a cork in a storm, with no control over events, and with no interest in policy or planning, merely agreeing with the last person that he spoke to. That is why his unelected advisors matter, never before have we had such an intellectual and moral vacuum at the heart of government.SouthamObserver said:On Monday Boris Johnson wanted Lee Cain to be his chief of staff. He was overruled. Now, on Friday, Johnson’s weakness is there for all to see. Because he is bone idle, he is not in control.
How did we wind up with this clown?
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I don't recall the election of Alistair Campbell either... Plus ca change.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nobody voted for Dom Cummings either, but we are where we are.Andy_JS said:Nobody voted for Carrie Symonds. It's disappointing to read reports saying that she has a big political influence in number 10.
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There is no way the Shapeshifting Creep is going to leave voluntarily and the tories aren't going to bin him three years out from a GE.DeClare said:
He might be gone by late Summer after a shabby deal with the EU and Covid out of the way but often the successor is not one of the more obvious candidates.Andy_JS said:Glad to see Cummings go. Hopefully Johnson will be replaced by Rishi Sunak within the next 12 months.
Whoever it is would have nearly three years to sort out the economy and that will have to be their overwhelming priority.1 -
Very similar to the eulogy offered to Donald Trump by Cameron's ex Svengali Steve Hilton. What is it about ad men and lawyers that can turn the most gentle hoody huggers into raging right wing hoodlums?DavidL said:Unlike many on here I have a lot of time for Cummings. He is an iconoclast, and lordy do we need some of them. The smug, self-satisfied blob that runs our institutions, government and society seriously need a good kicking. And then some more kicking.
But a government cannot run as a permanent revolution. Eventually a modus operandi needs to be reached with the establishment and some compromises need to be made. I think Cummings saw this himself in his January blog. And he was right. As usual.0 -
That is an excellent tip, thank youOldKingCole said:
Might I suggest that you do what I do; cheat. That is I look up what I want to to write in French on Google or Google translate, then cut and paste.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is beyond my ability to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:
New PB rule, if you're going to use French words, you have to make sure you use the appropriate l'accent circonflexe et al.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news0 -
In other news I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia.
It is in 6 different stages and I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it is safe snd I’m ok, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
Comrades.10 -
us -> use?TheScreamingEagles said:
LinkedIn?HYUFD said:twitter.com/ranil/status/1326896679036006401?s=20
Does anyone us that these days?
I don't like it myself and cancelled my account, but it does seem to be a useful way of getting contact details sometimes.0 -
When you extrapolate from polls, you always seem to ignore MoE, unless it enhances your own position.HYUFD said:
Except Farage got his highest ever GE voteshare in 2015, 12%, yet Cameron still got a majority and beat Ed Miliband's Labour.SouthamObserver said:A Tory pivot back to cuddly Cameroonism will be very good news for Nigel Farage. And, therefore, for Labour.
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Goodness knows where he/she is but all he has said from the beginning is not that the epidemic is not bad, but that the response to it was economically disproportionate, and the powers the government arrogated to itself likewise extreme.kjh said:O/T
Last week I predicted US cases would top 150K sometime this week (again not a difficult prediction). Yesterday was 162K. Probably 200K by at least one day late next week.
Worldometer prediction for deaths is just under 440K by the end of February.
And the US has to wait until 20/1/21 for a president to do anything about it.
Where is @contrarian now cherry picking a weekend number for US deaths now?
It was and is an extremely important view to hold and hear because otherwise these things proceed unchecked. Especially with a supine I'm playing the long game - oh btw in the long run you do know what happens don't you - LotO.0 -
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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No he was Foreign Secretary, then Chancellor, then PM.Fysics_Teacher said:
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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Sunak I think would lose some seats in the Red Wall back to Labour but I think he could somewhat compensate by winning some seats like Bath, St Albans, Oxford West and Abingdon, Richmond Park and Twickenham May or Boris lost to the LDs and seats Cameron won like Enfield Southgate, Putney, Battersea, Warwick and Leamington, Canterbury, Croydon Central and Reading East which are now Labour. Election 2024 Sunak v Starmer would be rather like Major v Kinnock 1992 in my view.OldKingCole said:
Cameron lost seats to Milliband. He won enough from his erstwhile allies the LibDems to govern alone.HYUFD said:
Except Farage got his highest ever GE voteshare in 2015, 12%, yet Cameron still got a majority and beat Ed Miliband's Labour.SouthamObserver said:A Tory pivot back to cuddly Cameroonism will be very good news for Nigel Farage. And, therefore, for Labour.
Starmer is also losing some voters to the Greens too don't forget
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Tory 2024 landslide looking less likely on that news.HYUFD said:
Probably, something that is on Sunak's to do list at some point in the future.0 -
Other way around, he was Foreign Secretary for three months in 1989, then became Chancellor in late 1989 then PM in November 1990 when Mrs Thatcher retired.Fysics_Teacher said:
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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The only thing we can do is a deal which keeps things as they are. The EU grant us leave to go and negotiate our own bespoke deals and set our own standards at some future point. We cheer! And then we make the sovereign decision to continue along as we are now with unimpeded goods flowing freely.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to see how there can be a deal now, at least not of the kind that allows the relatively unimpeded flow of goods. The government has painted itself into corner, and it is not in the EU's interests to compromise sufficiently to allow an escape. January is going to bring utter chaos.kle4 said:
Some people see any deal as being on the EUs terms, from both sides if the divide. The ones who basically go 'the EU wants a deal so it is bad' are pretty frustrating. Even if its weighted more to them than us - negotiations go like that sometimes - it doesn't automatically mean it's bad.HYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1326927929822081024?s=20
The compromise from them is that the UK becomes an associate of the EEA. Not a member you understand. We are going to have UK rules and standards thankyou very much. Its just that our standards happen to be their standards which is rather convenient if you think about it. And to maintain the smooth running we will pay money into a new UKEU trade agreement which absolutely isn't the same as the EU demanding money with menaces as they were before.
We can either agree this up front. Or agree it a few days into the new year after the UK's CDS system fails, they try to revert to CHIEF which can't cope anyway hence the need to replace it, and then we call Brussels and say "as we haven't actually changed any standards yet can we go back to status quo ante?"1 -
LOL!DavidL said:In other news I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia.
It is in 6 different stages and I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it is safe snd I’m ok, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.
Comrades.
Well done you.
I put my name down for the Vitamin D trial but heard absolutely nothing since.1 -
I'm not sure everyone understands the Dunning Kruger effect as well as they think they do. I know I don't.Roy_G_Biv said:
I find this instinctively very compelling. I wonder whether these have been studies done correlation sociopathy with the Dunning–Kruger effect.Foxy said:
The two often go together. The amoral often believe that their lack of empathy is a sign of intellectual superiority. The reality it shows that they have no real understanding of what is happening around them. Moral blindness leads to intellectual blindness.Beibheirli_C said:
Caused by the intellectual and moral vacuum in his head?Foxy said:
I suspect that his violin is now firewood.IanB2 said:
It's certainly gone very quiet on the classical music front. More than that, it isn't legally safe to speculate.Gardenwalker said:I was interested to note in the Guardian article that Ms Symonds was close to Lord Goldsmith.
Does anyone know if Boris is still taking violin lessons?
BoZo is a cork in a storm, with no control over events, and with no interest in policy or planning, merely agreeing with the last person that he spoke to. That is why his unelected advisors matter, never before have we had such an intellectual and moral vacuum at the heart of government.SouthamObserver said:On Monday Boris Johnson wanted Lee Cain to be his chief of staff. He was overruled. Now, on Friday, Johnson’s weakness is there for all to see. Because he is bone idle, he is not in control.
How did we wind up with this clown?
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The point they gave my password out to hackers was the final straw for me.Beibheirli_C said:
I deleted my LinkedIn profile years ago. It was quite plain that the main users where recruiters and all I was doing was providing my information to them in the form of a giant and highly detailed CV.TheScreamingEagles said:
LinkedIn?HYUFD said:twitter.com/ranil/status/1326896679036006401?s=20
Does anyone us that these days?
(On the plus side, it did make adopt unique passwords for each logon)
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We have always been an important trading partner. It is a total strawman and frankly a lie to pretend we haven't for the last thirty years.HYUFD said:
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https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
We have already left you great twerp. Do not blame the rest of us if your shabby little project is not turning out as you dreamed.
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Hmmm. Retired?TheScreamingEagles said:
Other way around, he was Foreign Secretary for three months in 1989, then became Chancellor in late 1989 then PM in November 1990 when Mrs Thatcher retired.Fysics_Teacher said:
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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And which super popular and highly respected Conservative leader is going to steer that particular ship of firebombs through the Commons?HYUFD said:0 -
I can spot the output of Google Translate in my students' work with 100% accuracy. It's haphazard with les prépositions and at least four of the seven non-compound tenses. I think it's actually worse going from French to English as English has twelve verb tenses and we use them all.OldKingCole said:
Might I suggest that you do what I do; cheat. That is I look up what I want to to write in French on Google or Google translate, then cut and paste.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is beyond my ability to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:
New PB rule, if you're going to use French words, you have to make sure you use the appropriate l'accent circonflexe et al.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news0 -
Sorry, which one am I? I am sure I should be able to work it out but as @Nigelb has already explained I am an idiot.Roger said:
Very similar to the eulogy offered to Donald Trump by Cameron's ex Svengali Steve Hilton. What is it about ad men and lawyers that can turn the most gentle hoody huggers into raging right wing hoodlums?DavidL said:Unlike many on here I have a lot of time for Cummings. He is an iconoclast, and lordy do we need some of them. The smug, self-satisfied blob that runs our institutions, government and society seriously need a good kicking. And then some more kicking.
But a government cannot run as a permanent revolution. Eventually a modus operandi needs to be reached with the establishment and some compromises need to be made. I think Cummings saw this himself in his January blog. And he was right. As usual.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
New PB rule, if you're going to use French words, you have to make sure you use the appropriate l'accent circonflexe et al.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news
Glad to see you don't give a cedilla for TSE's accents dictat @Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C said:
It is none of her business. She is not even his wife. Moving from dictat by Cummings to dictat by Carrie sounds like plus ca change......WhisperingOracle said:
The fragrant Carrie did, I think.SandyRentool said:Have I got this right?
Bozo appointed Stratton to be his boss?1 -
Retirement by defenestration...Mexicanpete said:
Hmmm. Retired?TheScreamingEagles said:
Other way around, he was Foreign Secretary for three months in 1989, then became Chancellor in late 1989 then PM in November 1990 when Mrs Thatcher retired.Fysics_Teacher said:
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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Thanks: I was in my early twenties at the time and not paying as much attention as I would now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Other way around, he was Foreign Secretary for three months in 1989, then became Chancellor in late 1989 then PM in November 1990 when Mrs Thatcher retired.Fysics_Teacher said:
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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Not just the devolved administration the UK govt is pissing off:
https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/11/13/constitutional-relations-hit-the-rocks-over-fisheries-bill/0 -
I was gone long before that happened. I joined up when it was created as a way of keeping up to date with your business contacts, but every time I logged in there were more and more demands for more and more information about me (not so much about the business) and eventually my Inbox was just a collection of "Really interesting career opportunity for you"Benpointer said:
The point they gave my password out to hackers was the final straw for me.Beibheirli_C said:
I deleted my LinkedIn profile years ago. It was quite plain that the main users where recruiters and all I was doing was providing my information to them in the form of a giant and highly detailed CV.TheScreamingEagles said:
LinkedIn?HYUFD said:twitter.com/ranil/status/1326896679036006401?s=20
Does anyone us that these days?
(On the plus side, it did make adopt unique passwords for each logon)
When I mentioned in a Chamber of Commerce lunch that I had deleted it, it got two reactions: Either "What?!?! You deleted it?????" or "What's Linked-in?"0 -
LinkedIn works really well in my industry. Yes there are some dipshit recruiters, but I just ignore themBenpointer said:
The point they gave my password out to hackers was the final straw for me.Beibheirli_C said:
I deleted my LinkedIn profile years ago. It was quite plain that the main users where recruiters and all I was doing was providing my information to them in the form of a giant and highly detailed CV.TheScreamingEagles said:
LinkedIn?HYUFD said:twitter.com/ranil/status/1326896679036006401?s=20
Does anyone us that these days?
(On the plus side, it did make adopt unique passwords for each logon)
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Surely the 2020 election provides them with a mandate for this. I'm sure it was in their manifesto somewhere. In fact, privatising the NHS was why people voted for Brexit. Let's Get Brexit Done and Privatise the NHS! Tax cuts for Tory donors all round.Mexicanpete said:
Tory 2024 landslide looking less likely on that news.HYUFD said:
Probably, something that is on Sunak's to do list at some point in the future.0 -
I wonder how much we'll voluntarily agree to pay? If this were an episode of Yes, Minister, it would be £50 million a day, wouldn't it?RochdalePioneers said:
The only thing we can do is a deal which keeps things as they are. The EU grant us leave to go and negotiate our own bespoke deals and set our own standards at some future point. We cheer! And then we make the sovereign decision to continue along as we are now with unimpeded goods flowing freely.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to see how there can be a deal now, at least not of the kind that allows the relatively unimpeded flow of goods. The government has painted itself into corner, and it is not in the EU's interests to compromise sufficiently to allow an escape. January is going to bring utter chaos.kle4 said:
Some people see any deal as being on the EUs terms, from both sides if the divide. The ones who basically go 'the EU wants a deal so it is bad' are pretty frustrating. Even if its weighted more to them than us - negotiations go like that sometimes - it doesn't automatically mean it's bad.HYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1326927929822081024?s=20
The compromise from them is that the UK becomes an associate of the EEA. Not a member you understand. We are going to have UK rules and standards thankyou very much. Its just that our standards happen to be their standards which is rather convenient if you think about it. And to maintain the smooth running we will pay money into a new UKEU trade agreement which absolutely isn't the same as the EU demanding money with menaces as they were before.
We can either agree this up front. Or agree it a few days into the new year after the UK's CDS system fails, they try to revert to CHIEF which can't cope anyway hence the need to replace it, and then we call Brussels and say "as we haven't actually changed any standards yet can we go back to status quo ante?"
(This would, of course, be pointless. It would actually be worse than the status quo ante, because there would be medium-term uncertainty about where the UK would end up and the EU wouldn't have to consider UK interests as its rules evolve. And we weren't really paying £350 million a week before.)
As long as it's never worth the UK actually leaving, the Frogs can boil the frog of Euro integration to their hearts' content.)0 -
It was "Smug self satisfied blob" that riled posters. An ugly cliche used almost exclusively by 'smug self satisfied' right wing hacks.DavidL said:
A slightly more nuanced response than most this morning. Thanks.kle4 said:
I can see your point in theory as institutions do need a shake up, but something useful needs to come from that shake up. As your permanent revolution line suggests there are limits.DavidL said:Unlike many on here I have a lot of time for Cummings. He is an iconoclast, and lordy do we need some of them. The smug, self-satisfied blob that runs our institutions, government and society seriously need a good kicking. And then some more kicking.
But a government cannot run as a permanent revolution. Eventually a modus operandi needs to be reached with the establishment and some compromises need to be made. I think Cummings saw this himself in his January blog. And he was right. As usual.
And blundering in and cocking things about in unearned confidence may in fact shake things up in a way to prevent actually useful shakeups in future.
If some arrogant, rude svengali messes everyone about to the point those following them are wary of even trying to sort things out it has been a net loss, even if the alternative was a sclerotic blob.
It's the 'upsets the right people' level analysis and its crap.2 -
Only if BoZo is still in postTheScreamingEagles said:I'm told by a very reliable source that Cummings will be back next year as head of the government backed/run UK DARPA.
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Fair enough. It was in fairness before my first cup of coffee in the morning. I accept its a cliché. (Hope that keeps @TSE happy. )Roger said:
It was "Smug self satisfied blob" that riled posters. An ugly cliche used almost exclusively by 'smug self satisfied' right wing hacks.DavidL said:
A slightly more nuanced response than most this morning. Thanks.kle4 said:
I can see your point in theory as institutions do need a shake up, but something useful needs to come from that shake up. As your permanent revolution line suggests there are limits.DavidL said:Unlike many on here I have a lot of time for Cummings. He is an iconoclast, and lordy do we need some of them. The smug, self-satisfied blob that runs our institutions, government and society seriously need a good kicking. And then some more kicking.
But a government cannot run as a permanent revolution. Eventually a modus operandi needs to be reached with the establishment and some compromises need to be made. I think Cummings saw this himself in his January blog. And he was right. As usual.
And blundering in and cocking things about in unearned confidence may in fact shake things up in a way to prevent actually useful shakeups in future.
If some arrogant, rude svengali messes everyone about to the point those following them are wary of even trying to sort things out it has been a net loss, even if the alternative was a sclerotic blob.
It's the 'upsets the right people' level analysis and its crap.0 -
Be fair to the batshit brigade. They did a great job persuading people that the EU was a whole load of things not the EU and that the best way to get free trade was to tear up our free trade membership and impose a fuckton of red tape and costs.Beibheirli_C said:https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
We have already left you great twerp. Do not blame the rest of us if your shabby little project is not turning out as you dreamed.
So of course we haven't left the "EU". Until we have changed every law and standard and tariff to something different we will still be subjects of their tyrannical dictat.0 -
It is not privatising the NHS, it would be moving to a social insurance healthcare system like even France and Germany have if you read the articleOnlyLivingBoy said:
Surely the 2020 election provides them with a mandate for this. I'm sure it was in their manifesto somewhere. In fact, privatising the NHS was why people voted for Brexit. Let's Get Brexit Done and Privatise the NHS! Tax cuts for Tory donors all round.Mexicanpete said:
Tory 2024 landslide looking less likely on that news.HYUFD said:
Probably, something that is on Sunak's to do list at some point in the future.0 -
Was Alistair Campbell's role really the same? I was a child for most of the Blair years, but in my memory he was a spin guy who did comms.turbotubbs said:
I don't recall the election of Alistair Campbell either... Plus ca change.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nobody voted for Dom Cummings either, but we are where we are.Andy_JS said:Nobody voted for Carrie Symonds. It's disappointing to read reports saying that she has a big political influence in number 10.
He wasn't writing lengthy policy tracts, making operational decisions like buying satellite companies and reorganizing the MoD.
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Generally speaking, there are an infinite number of ways to be wrong and only one way to be right. Blundering about like a bull in a China shop is unlikely to lead to success.kle4 said:
I can see your point in theory as institutions do need a shake up, but something useful needs to come from that shake up. As your permanent revolution line suggests there are limits.DavidL said:Unlike many on here I have a lot of time for Cummings. He is an iconoclast, and lordy do we need some of them. The smug, self-satisfied blob that runs our institutions, government and society seriously need a good kicking. And then some more kicking.
But a government cannot run as a permanent revolution. Eventually a modus operandi needs to be reached with the establishment and some compromises need to be made. I think Cummings saw this himself in his January blog. And he was right. As usual.
And blundering in and cocking things about in unearned confidence may in fact shake things up in a way to prevent actually useful shakeups in future.
If some arrogant, rude svengali messes everyone about to the point those following them are wary of even trying to sort things out it has been a net loss, even if the alternative was a sclerotic blob.
It's the 'upsets the right people' level analysis and its crap.2 -
Redwood is an exception to the rule that politicians tend to be nicer in real life than you might have thought from their public persona.Beibheirli_C said:https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
We have already left you great twerp. Do not blame the rest of us if your shabby little project is not turning out as you dreamed.0 -
Hard to know on that. He did help them with the furlough payments, which probably stands him in good stead.HYUFD said:
Sunak I think would lose some seats in the Red Wall back to Labour but I think he could somewhat compensate by winning some seats like Bath, St Albans, Oxford West and Abingdon, Richmond Park and Twickenham May or Boris lost to the LDs and seats Cameron won like Enfield Southgate, Putney, Battersea, Warwick and Leamington, Canterbury, Croydon Central and Reading East which are now Labour. Election 2024 Sunak v Starmer would be rather like Major v Kinnock 1992 in my view.OldKingCole said:
Cameron lost seats to Milliband. He won enough from his erstwhile allies the LibDems to govern alone.HYUFD said:
Except Farage got his highest ever GE voteshare in 2015, 12%, yet Cameron still got a majority and beat Ed Miliband's Labour.SouthamObserver said:A Tory pivot back to cuddly Cameroonism will be very good news for Nigel Farage. And, therefore, for Labour.
Starmer is also losing some voters to the Greens too don't forget
Sunak appeals more to middle class voters than Boris does, less to the white working class
Plus Dishy Rishi appeals to that significant raft of female voters of a certain age who were very anti-Boris.1 -
Germany has a social insurance system for public health care, as do many other European companies. Presumably evil privatisation imposed by equally evil right wing governmentsOnlyLivingBoy said:
Surely the 2020 election provides them with a mandate for this. I'm sure it was in their manifesto somewhere. In fact, privatising the NHS was why people voted for Brexit. Let's Get Brexit Done and Privatise the NHS! Tax cuts for Tory donors all round.Mexicanpete said:
Tory 2024 landslide looking less likely on that news.HYUFD said:
Probably, something that is on Sunak's to do list at some point in the future.0 -
Typo of the Month contender, surely?OldKingCole said:
With respect, Mr G, a 'fazed' transition is surely what we're worried about; what we need is a 'phased' transition .Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news
Although, of course, what we really need is no transition at all!0 -
Nope - he was part of the sofa cabinet, and his fingers were all over everything that Blair did, not least the 45 minute dossier.rkrkrk said:
Was Alistair Campbell's role really the same? I was a child for most of the Blair years, but in my memory he was a spin guy who did comms.turbotubbs said:
I don't recall the election of Alistair Campbell either... Plus ca change.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nobody voted for Dom Cummings either, but we are where we are.Andy_JS said:Nobody voted for Carrie Symonds. It's disappointing to read reports saying that she has a big political influence in number 10.
He wasn't writing lengthy policy tracts, making operational decisions like buying satellite companies and reorganizing the MoD.
I see Cummings as more equivalent to Mandelso...1 -
He's a clueless chump, just like his father.WhisperingOracle said:
In Bernard Jenkin's world, Redwood, Jenkin and Cash are now going to be called in to save Brexit, I think.IanB2 said:
You think he had "Redwood" in mind? I thought his appeal to get rid of all the "inexperienced" cabinet members and bring into Cabinet some senior members with experience sounded rather pitiful myself. Who might he possibly have been thinking of?WhisperingOracle said:
He seems to think Cummings gone is an opportunity to appoint people like Redwood to the cabinet - "senior voices who understand Brexit ". I don't think that's what's going to happen , at all.IanB2 said:The only thing to take the shine off a good news day - Bernard Jenkin popping up on R4 to crow about it all
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Is "retired" quite le correctly-accented mot juste?TheScreamingEagles said:
Other way around, he was Foreign Secretary for three months in 1989, then became Chancellor in late 1989 then PM in November 1990 when Mrs Thatcher retired.Fysics_Teacher said:
Major was chancellor, though I think he was foreign secretary by the time he became PM.Stocky said:
I think it`s over 60 years since a Conservative chancellor went on to lead the party. Is that right? If so, history is on your side.Alistair said:My lay of Rishi for next leader is looking very bad at the moment.
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I always thought the stupidest thing in the complete disaster of Brexit was that Cameron negotiated (and then failed to explain) a deal prior to the vote.Stuartinromford said:
I wonder how much we'll voluntarily agree to pay? If this were an episode of Yes, Minister, it would be £50 million a day, wouldn't it?RochdalePioneers said:
The only thing we can do is a deal which keeps things as they are. The EU grant us leave to go and negotiate our own bespoke deals and set our own standards at some future point. We cheer! And then we make the sovereign decision to continue along as we are now with unimpeded goods flowing freely.FeersumEnjineeya said:
It's hard to see how there can be a deal now, at least not of the kind that allows the relatively unimpeded flow of goods. The government has painted itself into corner, and it is not in the EU's interests to compromise sufficiently to allow an escape. January is going to bring utter chaos.kle4 said:
Some people see any deal as being on the EUs terms, from both sides if the divide. The ones who basically go 'the EU wants a deal so it is bad' are pretty frustrating. Even if its weighted more to them than us - negotiations go like that sometimes - it doesn't automatically mean it's bad.HYUFD said:Cummings' departure is further evidence Boris is shifting towards a trade deal with the EU.
However he will have to overcome resistance from some hardliners like Redwood in the process
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1327142958945218560?s=20
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1326927929822081024?s=20
The compromise from them is that the UK becomes an associate of the EEA. Not a member you understand. We are going to have UK rules and standards thankyou very much. Its just that our standards happen to be their standards which is rather convenient if you think about it. And to maintain the smooth running we will pay money into a new UKEU trade agreement which absolutely isn't the same as the EU demanding money with menaces as they were before.
We can either agree this up front. Or agree it a few days into the new year after the UK's CDS system fails, they try to revert to CHIEF which can't cope anyway hence the need to replace it, and then we call Brussels and say "as we haven't actually changed any standards yet can we go back to status quo ante?"
(This would, of course, be pointless. It would actually be worse than the status quo ante, because there would be medium-term uncertainty about where the UK would end up and the EU wouldn't have to consider UK interests as its rules evolve. And we weren't really paying £350 million a week before.)
As long as it's never worth the UK actually leaving, the Frogs can boil the frog of Euro integration to their hearts' content.)
We should have voted, then negotiated (a deal similar to what Cameron got) and that would have given us the appropriate outcome. A union where we were both part of Europe but slightly aloof while letting the rest of the EU integrate at their own speed.0 -
Yeah but you would say that - like the TV licence detector vans.Dura_Ace said:
I can spot the output of Google Translate in my students' work with 100% accuracy. It's haphazard with les prépositions and at least four of the seven non-compound tenses. I think it's actually worse going from French to English as English has twelve verb tenses and we use them all.OldKingCole said:
Might I suggest that you do what I do; cheat. That is I look up what I want to to write in French on Google or Google translate, then cut and paste.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is beyond my ability to be honestTheScreamingEagles said:
New PB rule, if you're going to use French words, you have to make sure you use the appropriate l'accent circonflexe et al.Big_G_NorthWales said:Good morning
I wake up this morning to hear Cummings is leaving
I am so pleased that finally influential ladies in number 10 have delivered their coup de grace and seen off Cummings
I hope a deal with the EU is now more likely with a fazed transition
I expect Boris is likely to remain in post through 2021 as he attempts to turn things round and especially move to a strong climate change agenda working with Joe Biden and others culminating in the climate conference next year in Glasgow
And of course Trump will be over in January which is really good news
Keep 'em guessing/scared.0 -
It would have been easiest from a halfway house soft Brexit. Which is why the LibDems and relevant Tories were fools for not pursuing this path when it was on the table.geoffw said:
Hope springs eternal.Roger said:I wonder whether there is any scenario where Brexit could be reversed? With it's architects crashing and with no obvious momentum coming from anywhere else and Ireland and Scotland likely to secede and opinion turning sharply against......
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Yes; if Boris has been replaced by Gove then Cummings will be back running the whole show.Scott_xP said:
Only if BoZo is still in postTheScreamingEagles said:I'm told by a very reliable source that Cummings will be back next year as head of the government backed/run UK DARPA.
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