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In which case, neither was Bonar Law, as his term also predates the Ministers of the Crown Act 1937...corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.0 -
(I was meaning that, it's my desperate and ultimate pedantic defence).Carnyx said:
But surely Wellington was a PM (and under his peerage title), unless you mean tthat the title Prime Minister was not formally used then?corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
(Looking it up Wellington was born in Dublin while it was still the Kingdom of Ireland)0 -
Couldn't Obama claim Kenyan citizenship in order to start for parliament in the UK?
Get him lined up for 2020!0 -
The US crazification factor is typically rated at around 27%, so if the opposition only gets 47% or less you'll often have a majority that doesn't accept the winner from the other side. In the US case it seems like the demos disintegrates partway through the first term of any Democratic president then re-emerges when a Republican gets elected. I can see how it could grow or decline over decades but to come and go like this seems a bit odd, so I think there must be something wrong with the definition.antifrank said:
The word "most" was included to cater for a minority of nutters. And it is possible for a demos to disintegrate. A number of our north British posters would assert that strongly.edmundintokyo said:
I'm not sure the US had that, especially at the height of the Tea Party crazy.antifrank said:
It doesn't capture what I'm trying to say.edmundintokyo said:BTW I think we may have finally stumbled on a workable definition of "demos". If the majority of voters would vote for someone with their own general political leanings but from another region over someone with the same general political leanings from their own region, you have one. If they wouldn't, you don't. Ignoring the consequences for the EU for a minute, does that catch what people are trying to say?
My definition of a demos would be an acceptance by most of those voting for the losing candidate that the winning candidate had a mandate to speak for them on the matters for which they were elected.0 -
It was you, wasn't it!TheScreamingEagles said:
Some shameless cad once used this chat up lineMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, well, syphilis is very slimming.
Impiety has made a feast of thee, you know.
"You need a stud in your life, I've got the STD all I need is u."0 -
The construct is a false one, because everyone is effectively forced to state a preference. I would prefer not to vote for someone to fill this role at all. My choice would be to abstain to avoid giving the final winner any unnecessary legitimacy. However, were I to be forced to state a preference, it would be for the best candidate regardless of nationality -that's just common sense.edmundintokyo said:BTW I think we may have finally stumbled on a workable definition of "demos". If the majority of voters would vote for someone with their own general political leanings but from another region over someone with different political leanings from their own region, you have one. If they wouldn't, you don't. Ignoring the consequences for the EU for a minute, does that catch what people are trying to say?
It would be the same if I were forced to state a preference for who I wanted to be the President of the World. That doesn't mean the World is a 'demos' that I subscribe to.0 -
Then we'd have a bunch of birthers claiming he wasn't really Kenyan.SandyRentool said:Couldn't Obama claim Kenyan citizenship in order to start for parliament in the UK?
Get him lined up for 2020!0 -
He certainly has more right to sit in our parliament than the White House.SandyRentool said:Couldn't Obama claim Kenyan citizenship in order to start for parliament in the UK?
Get him lined up for 2020!0 -
He didn't it, I was said oaf, it made her laugh.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, one can only hope the oaf failed in his amorous ambitions.
My chat up lines are legendary, they are nearly as awesome as my taste in music.
To quote someone else
"You don't need a wing man, you're going to need a paramedic"0 -
Oh dear me I've just found out that the song on the new British Airways advert isn't in fact by Bob Dylan as I'd assumed.0
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Like.SandyRentool said:Couldn't Obama claim Kenyan citizenship in order to start for parliament in the UK?
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Hmm, I'm pretty sure it was formally recognised prior to that, just not in legislation.RodCrosby said:
In which case, neither was Bonar Law, as his term also predates the Ministers of the Crown Act 1937...corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.0 -
It was, it was one of my better chat up lines.RobD said:
It was you, wasn't it!TheScreamingEagles said:
Some shameless cad once used this chat up lineMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, well, syphilis is very slimming.
Impiety has made a feast of thee, you know.
"You need a stud in your life, I've got the STD all I need is u."
My favourite one is this one
"Your eyes are like spanners, every time you look at me, my nuts tighten"0 -
'The Act is notable for several reasons; it was the first Act of Parliament to directly deal with ministerial salaries, and also the first Act to provide a salary for the Prime Minister, and for the Leader of the Opposition. As well as being only the second time the Prime Minister has been mentioned in a statute, the Act was also the first statute to recognise the Prime Minister, and the Cabinet.'corporeal said:
Hmm, I'm pretty sure it was formally recognised prior to that, just not in legislation.RodCrosby said:
In which case, neither was Bonar Law, as his term also predates the Ministers of the Crown Act 1937...corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministers_of_the_Crown_Act_1937
So Chamberlain was the first PM...0 -
For these purposes I guess I'd group abstaining or spoiling your ballot paper the same as "vote for the guy who disagrees with you". On this definition if there was a candidate on the ballot who you agreed with and thought had the necessary leadership abilities, but you couldn't bring yourself to vote for them because they were from a different region, you'd be a data point in favour of "no demos".Luckyguy1983 said:
The construct is a false one, because everyone is effectively forced to state a preference. I would prefer not to vote for someone to fill this role at all. My choice would be to abstain to avoid giving the final winner any unnecessary legitimacy. However, were I to be forced to state a preference, it would be for the best candidate regardless of nationality -that's just common sense.edmundintokyo said:BTW I think we may have finally stumbled on a workable definition of "demos". If the majority of voters would vote for someone with their own general political leanings but from another region over someone with different political leanings from their own region, you have one. If they wouldn't, you don't. Ignoring the consequences for the EU for a minute, does that catch what people are trying to say?
It would be the same if I were forced to state a preference for who I wanted to be the President of the World. That doesn't mean the World is a 'demos' that I subscribe to.0 -
This is far and away the best website on the whole wide internet.RodCrosby said:
He certainly has more right to sit in our parliament than the White House.SandyRentool said:Couldn't Obama claim Kenyan citizenship in order to start for parliament in the UK?
Get him lined up for 2020!0 -
Good grief, what a terrible line.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was, it was one of my better chat up lines.RobD said:
It was you, wasn't it!TheScreamingEagles said:
Some shameless cad once used this chat up lineMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, well, syphilis is very slimming.
Impiety has made a feast of thee, you know.
"You need a stud in your life, I've got the STD all I need is u."
My favourite one is this one
"Your eyes are like spanners, every time you look at me, my nuts tighten"0 -
Prime Minister was listed in the order of precedence from 1905 it seems.RodCrosby said:
'The Act is notable for several reasons; it was the first Act of Parliament to directly deal with ministerial salaries, and also the first Act to provide a salary for the Prime Minister, and for the Leader of the Opposition. As well as being only the second time the Prime Minister has been mentioned in a statute, the Act was also the first statute to recognise the Prime Minister, and the Cabinet.'corporeal said:
Hmm, I'm pretty sure it was formally recognised prior to that, just not in legislation.RodCrosby said:
In which case, neither was Bonar Law, as his term also predates the Ministers of the Crown Act 1937...corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministers_of_the_Crown_Act_1937
So Chamberlain was the first PM...
(Alas, if only I'd said North-West European archipelago instead of UK I'd have escaped Rod's scrutiny)0 -
Rather than scrolling in vain can someone post when the result is likely?0
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Wellington was: 1828-30.corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
Introduced Catholic Emancipation.0 -
Around 2amaudreyanne said:Rather than scrolling in vain can someone post when the result is likely?
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Clegg on the local news - says Lib Dems need to be 'loud and proud' of the Conservatives' achievements in office. OK, so that last bit was my interpretation.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Around 2amaudreyanne said:Rather than scrolling in vain can someone post when the result is likely?
Great: thank you.
I suppose I should have referred to 'the declaration.'
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Also invented some nifty footwear.Charles said:
Wellington was: 1828-30.corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
Introduced Catholic Emancipation.0 -
That seems likely as they declared about 3:30 at the GE. Turnout will be down and assuming no recounts 2am seems a good guess.TheScreamingEagles said:
Around 2amaudreyanne said:Rather than scrolling in vain can someone post when the result is likely?
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Better than one of his successors responsible for a type of bag.TheScreamingEagles said:
Also invented some nifty footwear.Charles said:
Wellington was: 1828-30.corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
Introduced Catholic Emancipation.0 -
ComRes Poll
42% say we should leave the EU
40% say we should stay
http://comres.co.uk/polls/ITV_News_Index_5th_June_2014.pdf
Was 46/24 last time ComRes asked the question0 -
Brown bag?ToryJim said:
Better than one of his successors responsible for a type of bag.TheScreamingEagles said:
Also invented some nifty footwear.Charles said:
Wellington was: 1828-30.corporeal said:
I see your pedantry, and raise you that neither of those was PM.RodCrosby said:
Shelburne and Wellington were both born in Ireland, before the UK came into existence...corporeal said:
Iirc Andrew Bonar-Law is the only PM not born in the UK.OblitusSumMe said:
From the UK Parliament website:Morris_Dancer said:No, Mr. Palmer. I said I wouldn't vote for Brown.
Merkel would be far more competent, but the principle of a foreigner governing Britain is unacceptable.
"People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, be a British citizen or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland"
This is not the US you know. The PM could already be a "foreigner", and indeed the leader of the Green Party was born in Australia.
Introduced Catholic Emancipation.0 -
GrrrrrToryJim said:
That seems likely as they declared about 3:30 at the GE. Turnout will be down and assuming no recounts 2am seems a good guess.TheScreamingEagles said:
Around 2amaudreyanne said:Rather than scrolling in vain can someone post when the result is likely?
Adam Boulton @adamboultonSKY 59s
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@SandyRentool
Nope. Not him.0 -
There's some fantastic hypocrisy in that poll:
British people should be free to live and work anywhere in the EU
Agree: 58%
Disagree: 23%
People from EU countries should be free to live and work in the UK
Agree: 38%
Disagree: 44%
So that's 20% of the British population who think that it should be one rule for Brits, another rule for everyone else.0 -
Mr antifrank that doesn't surprise me at all.0
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Other findingsisam said:ComRes Poll
42% say we should leave the EU
40% say we should stay
http://comres.co.uk/polls/ITV_News_Index_5th_June_2014.pdf
Was 46/24 last time ComRes asked the question
In the subsamples, London is out of touch with the rest of the country (55% say stay in)
72% Immigrants treated too generously
78% Immigrants should only get benefits if theyve paid in
I would have a more favourable impression of the Lib Dems if Nick Clegg was not their leader
22% Yes
50% No0 -
One of my friends recently pointed out another hypocrisy.antifrank said:There's some fantastic hypocrisy in that poll:
British people should be free to live and work anywhere in the EU
Agree: 58%
Disagree: 23%
People from EU countries should be free to live and work in the UK
Agree: 38%
Disagree: 44%
So that's 20% of the British population who think that it should be one rule for Brits, another rule for everyone else.
Britain has an empire that controls a significant chunk of the world, a few centuries later, the same country complains about immigrants coming over and changing the country.0 -
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Yup Gladstone.Carnyx said:0 -
Not a strict comparison.isam said:ComRes Poll
42% say we should leave the EU
40% say we should stay
http://comres.co.uk/polls/ITV_News_Index_5th_June_2014.pdf
Was 46/24 last time ComRes asked the question
This poll is not past vote weighted, the last ComRes poll was.0 -
Oh, right.. what does that mean to the findings?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not a strict comparison.isam said:ComRes Poll
42% say we should leave the EU
40% say we should stay
http://comres.co.uk/polls/ITV_News_Index_5th_June_2014.pdf
Was 46/24 last time ComRes asked the question
This poll is not past vote weighted, the last ComRes poll was.0 -
Mr Corporeal I've never been a fan of Gladstone much more of a Disraeli fan.0
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Mind you, the working classes didn't get a vote ... I came across a report of his last speeches in the Midlothian Campaign. Wouldn't get Messrs Cameron or Clegg into an open public meeting with such acclamation now.corporeal said:
On statues, they still do it in Glasgow (Edinburgh is not so hasty, it prefers literary folk and Enlightenment thinkers)
http://www.glasgowsculpture.com/pg_images.php?sub=donald_dewar
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I like David Coburn, The Kipper MEP for Scotland.
He's a proper geek like me.
He calls Salmond a Borg, Sturgeon a Dalek
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/05/ukip-mep-coburn-borg-alex-salmond-dictator_n_5452945.html0 -
It means the Comres panel is pro-EU to a crazy degree.isam said:
Oh, right.. what does that mean to the findings?TheScreamingEagles said:
Not a strict comparison.isam said:ComRes Poll
42% say we should leave the EU
40% say we should stay
http://comres.co.uk/polls/ITV_News_Index_5th_June_2014.pdf
Was 46/24 last time ComRes asked the question
This poll is not past vote weighted, the last ComRes poll was.0 -
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