Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
Hundreds of thousands of Americans are voting each day, with more key states opening up early or by-mail voting shortly.
Some are voting for him of course.
Actually those numbers aren't really that large. 2m. how many voted last time, 130m? so one seventieth of the total?
Trump's troops won;t show their hand until polling day. Not really.
In aggregate, they're not that large.
But Wisconsin is at 11% already. And there's still four and a half weeks to go.
It wouldn't be surprising to see Wisconsin reach 40% by polling day.
I don;t see how you can work out what 40% is until you know what 100% is.
Its also possible that after an initial surge by adamant anti-Trump-ites the numbers drop as we get close to the vote.
Maybe Trump loses Wisconsin anyhoo.
The numbers are in comparison to 2016 turnout.
And, if you look at state level approval ratings, Wisconsin was the weakest state for Trump (of the ones he won in 2016). That makes it a prime candidate to flip in my book.
The way I look at this is:
- which states have approval-disapproval out of line with the national average, and were either narrow Clinton wins, or narrow Trump wins - which party has had more success in driving voter registration
This puts Virginia in the dicey column for the Democrats (surprisingly good numbers for the Republicans in both), and suggests Trump holds Florida. (Although the current flare up of CV19 among the elderly has to be concerning to him.)
This puts Wisconsin and Michigan in the Dem gain column, and suggests that Colorado, Nevada and New Hampshire are safe for them.
The problem President Trump has, though, is that there are a bunch of states (like Arizona and Pennsylvania) where he's in with a shot. But he really has to win almost all of these to hold onto the Presidency.
Possible? For sure. But looking increasingly unlikely.
Yes If I were Trump the big worries would be Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania. That's where it will be won or lost.
One of the US pundits I listen to says it would be historically unprecedented for a president to underperform his approval rating. Not sure if that's true though.
Well... Trump's approval rating is about 44%. If he gets 46% (sounds reasonable), then there is 54% for Biden and the other candidates. If we assume they get 3% (not unrealistic), then you get 51%-46%, which results in (unless Trump is exceptionally fortunate with voter distribution) Biden winning the Midwest back.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
Wes Streeting MP Retweeted Ruth Davidson @RuthDavidsonMSP · 4m This suggests Margaret Ferrier met with police on TUESDAY, after receiving her positive COVID test result on Monday night and then taking public transport back to Scotland from London. {Pic of Ferrier with some police indoors, no mask, broadly socially distanced}
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Absolutely correct but on a scale of serious breach this is right off it
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Of course it does not, but is puts into perspective the level of risk that he posed to the public, zero, compared to what she has done. Can you imagine if a Tory MP had done this?
We have seen a second spike in cases. Will we see a second spike in deaths? Has any country yet had a second spike in deaths? And yes I understand it isn't just about deaths.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
Sturgeon will be alongside Boris if she is not sacked tonight
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
I do not understand this "waiting for police to investigate" thing at all. It is an egregious breach of the regulations which she appears fully to admit. If I were her, I would be begging Police to issue the £200 fine right now, which I would immediately pay. Same with Stanley Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and even Dominic Cummings (although he denied it for reasons best known to nobody).
It kills the story and salvages a bit of dignity. A lot of people accept the argument that they admitted it, apologised, and paid the penalty. People can still say - correctly - you were a fool. But they can't say you received special treatment.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Absolutely correct but on a scale of serious breach this is right off it
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Absolutely correct but on a scale of serious breach this is right off it
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
I do not understand this "waiting for police to investigate" thing at all. It is an egregious breach of the regulations which she appears fully to admit. If I were her, I would be begging Police to issue the £200 fine right now, which I would immediately pay. Same with Stanley Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and even Dominic Cummings (although he denied it for reasons best known to nobody).
It kills the story and salvages a bit of dignity. A lot of people accept the argument that they admitted it, apologised, and paid the penalty. People can still say - correctly - you were a fool. But they can't say you received special treatment.
Stanley Johnson went into a newsagent without a mask on. She had Covid symptoms, took a test, was positive, still travelled on trains for hours and went to the heart of our Government and wondered around infecting people. Not really the same.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
Sturgeon will be alongside Boris if she is not sacked tonight
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Please do not include me in that comment
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
Sturgeon will be alongside Boris if she is not sacked tonight
Wait and see. Taking a few hours to give someone the boot would not be in any way comparable to keeping someone in post through thick and thin.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Of course it does not, but is puts into perspective the level of risk that he posed to the public, zero, compared to what she has done. Can you imagine if a Tory MP had done this?
But Cummings posed greater than zero risk.
I don't dispute this is off the scale, but you are rewriting history.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
I do not understand this "waiting for police to investigate" thing at all. It is an egregious breach of the regulations which she appears fully to admit. If I were her, I would be begging Police to issue the £200 fine right now, which I would immediately pay. Same with Stanley Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and even Dominic Cummings (although he denied it for reasons best known to nobody).
It kills the story and salvages a bit of dignity. A lot of people accept the argument that they admitted it, apologised, and paid the penalty. People can still say - correctly - you were a fool. But they can't say you received special treatment.
Stanley Johnson went into a newsagent without a mask on. She had Covid symptoms, took a test, was positive, still travelled on trains for hours and went to the heart of our Government and wondered around infecting people. Not really the same.
I never said they were equivalent in risk posed to the public.
The point is that they are all people who should set an example, all broke the law, and all admit it. The penalty isn't Guantanomo Bay - it's a fine. For each of them, the danger is being seen to get preferential treatment and "one rule for them".
They should all be begging the Police to throw the (pretty small) book at them.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Please do not include me in that comment
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
But this breach is beyond believable
I wasn't. But for anyone who feels that the cap fits etc.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Please do not include me in that comment
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
But this breach is beyond believable
I want to know her thought process. It might prove valuable to understand the mentality of others, who have done or will do similar things.
- She had a positive test. - At that point I would be trying to work out how not meet anyone for 10-14 days. - Definitely cancel anything like an appointment/meeting - Probably text spamming anyone I'd met in the last week or 2...
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Please do not include me in that comment
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
But this breach is beyond believable
I want to know her thought process. It might prove valuable to understand the mentality of others, who have done or will do similar things.
- She had a positive test. - At that point I would be trying to work out how not meet anyone for 10-14 days. - Definitely cancel anything like an appointment/meeting - Probably text spamming anyone I'd met in the last week or 2...
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Please do not include me in that comment
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
But this breach is beyond believable
I want to know her thought process. It might prove valuable to understand the mentality of others, who have done or will do similar things.
- She had a positive test. - At that point I would be trying to work out how not meet anyone for 10-14 days. - Definitely cancel anything like an appointment/meeting - Probably text spamming anyone I'd met in the last week or 2...
Yes I desperatly want to know her thought process
I am not being sarcastic - understanding is the first step to fix a problem.
We have a problem with people being selfish about COVID risks. Find out why.....
Would be an interesting by-election - and test for SKS’s credentials in Scotland - if she’s forced to resign as an MP.
She's very unlikely to be forced to resign as an MP in reality. It's nowhere near the legal level for a recall petition, and the most the SNP can do is withdraw the whip.
I'd actually be impressed with her in a way if she did forego four years of an MP's salary because she's embarrassed. But I don't think it's likely.
Would be an interesting by-election - and test for SKS’s credentials in Scotland - if she’s forced to resign as an MP.
She's very unlikely to be forced to resign as an MP in reality. It's nowhere near the legal level for a recall petition, and the most the SNP can do is withdraw the whip.
I'd actually be impressed with her in a way if she did forego four years of an MP's salary because she's embarrassed. But I don't think it's likely.
You’re right, but I think someone who wilfully put so many people’s health in jeopardy is not fit to be an MP.
Would be an interesting by-election - and test for SKS’s credentials in Scotland - if she’s forced to resign as an MP.
She's very unlikely to be forced to resign as an MP in reality. It's nowhere near the legal level for a recall petition, and the most the SNP can do is withdraw the whip.
I'd actually be impressed with her in a way if she did forego four years of an MP's salary because she's embarrassed. But I don't think it's likely.
Would be an interesting by-election - and test for SKS’s credentials in Scotland - if she’s forced to resign as an MP.
She's very unlikely to be forced to resign as an MP in reality. It's nowhere near the legal level for a recall petition, and the most the SNP can do is withdraw the whip.
I'd actually be impressed with her in a way if she did forego four years of an MP's salary because she's embarrassed. But I don't think it's likely.
You’re right, but I think someone who wilfully put so many people’s health in jeopardy is not fit to be an MP.
If everyone who wasn't fit to be an MP resigned as an MP, there would be a heck of a lot more by-elections!
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Should some people on here be saying that she has the right to make judgements on her own health and risk?
(Because this is literally the problem - it's people making judgements on others risk and health)
Hundreds of thousands of Americans are voting each day, with more key states opening up early or by-mail voting shortly.
Some are voting for him of course.
Th notion of Trump ever 'turning this around' with certain pollsters is pretty fanciful, judging by what happened in 2016.
if you insist on making comparisons with 2016, it was the betting market that was way, way off rather than the pollsters. The pollsters will certainly have made rational adjustments in a self-interested effort to do better this time round, it's yet to be seen how successful they'll be. What ability do you think the betting market has to make 'rational' adjustments?
Look,. if I am wrong its me losing money not you.
And right on cue a poll to back up my views.
Gallup's latest shows 60% of Americans either trust the mainstream media little or not at all.
9% have a great deal of faith in the mass media. That's who CNN think America is, and who they are talking to.
You started off on pollsters, not the media...
Look I get it, you guys only want one view on here, and that's the size of Biden's win. Fair enough.
You are correct in that only a tiny handful of PBers are actually hoping for a Trump victory but most know that Trump could yet steal it (metaphorically and literally).
Good evening all. Margaret Ferrier's conduct is frankly unbelievable. If she does not resign, or the SNP take anything other than very severe disciplinary action, I fail to see how Sturgeon can reasonably expect people Scotland to adhere to Covid restrictions. For Ferrier to behave like she has after a positive test is unforgivable.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
I sense much challenging of the stultifying left liberal consensus that somehow and rather magically dominates despite a Tory landslide govt and a heavily right wing press coming our way here.
Right wing press?
With Channel 4, Sky and the BBC all on the left (C4 extremely so, the rest more marginally).
Press. They are skewed heavily to the right. You are talking TV stations. Ch4 is left, no question. Sky and the Beeb are only left if one is viewing from the extreme right. So, ok, assuming it's you doing the viewing (and I hope you have a licence) your comment is sincere and subjectively truthful. Albeit objectively speaking, bollocks.
How is the press right?
TV and radio objectively makes up an overwhelming majority of the press. Name one 'objectively speaking' right-wing TV station that compares to Channel 4, even if you (for some bizarre reason) think BBC and Sky are impartial (perhaps they are coming from your PoV but that should say it all).
And that's without dignifying ITV with Piers Morgan and Robert Peston as being part of the "press".
"The press" is the printed media. The clue is in the title.
But I accept my formula should be: Press + broadcasters + online news sites = media.
Your formula is rather antiquated then.
This is the year 2020, actually printed newspapers are a fraction of the news. Online websites whether the Guardian online, the Times behind its paywall, the Mail's website etc are the bulk of their readership now . . . and the BBC News website has the biggest printed news readership of them all.
Well, I have made it back into the UK. “Have you filled your form in?”, I was asked by the UK customs man at Eurotunnel Calais, to which an answer “yes” without asking for any proof was sufficient to wave me onto the train.
This time of year, Eurotunnel would normally be 80% returning Brits. Today, they were running a 50% service but what they were running was full. I’d guess about 45% Brits and 45% travelling Germans, with the balance the odd French, Belgian or Dutch car.
The weather here is shit right now. I got soaked unloading the car.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Is that before or after you make a stop for a photoshoot at a police station?
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
Care home update - I`d welcome opinions. (There was a heart-wrenching episode of R4 Any Answers on this on Saturday.)
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days. 2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room. 3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
She's an elected Member of Parliament too.
But Cummo had a hand in imposing the rules upon everyone else.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
I don't know what living arrangements she has in London, but she surely has somewhere she can rest her head.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
I don't know what living arrangements she has in London, but she surely has somewhere she can rest her head.
That's the bit that makes no sense.
Why travel for six hours on a train, when you know you have the virus?
We know she stayed in London on the Monday night, so why not isolate herself there until she's no longer a risk?
Care home update - I`d welcome opinions. (There was a heart-wrenching episode of R4 Any Answers on this on Saturday.)
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days. 2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room. 3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
The home allows outside visits. You are worried about the weather. Can the home not get hold of those heaters used in pub gardens?
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Of course it does not, but is puts into perspective the level of risk that he posed to the public, zero, compared to what she has done. Can you imagine if a Tory MP had done this?
But Cummings posed greater than zero risk.
I don't dispute this is off the scale, but you are rewriting history.
Difference is Cummings didn’t even apologise. Her political career is probably (rightly) over.
Care home update - I`d welcome opinions. (There was a heart-wrenching episode of R4 Any Answers on this on Saturday.)
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days. 2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room. 3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
The home allows outside visits. You are worried about the weather. Can the home not get hold of those heaters used in pub gardens?
Good suggestion, I`ll raise that. The outside visit area, part of the car park, had plastic roof (no sides) but that blew off in a storm and they haven`t replaced it.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
What Ferrier has done is wildly reckless and dangerous, but it doesn't all of a sudden vindicate Cummings.
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
Of course it does not, but is puts into perspective the level of risk that he posed to the public, zero, compared to what she has done. Can you imagine if a Tory MP had done this?
In case you had forgotten, which I appreciate is possible, he went into work while his wife was showing symptoms of the virus. Shortly thereafter, a large proportion of the cabinet including our esteemed Prime Minister fell ill with Covid.
Post hoc does not equal propter hoc, of course, but the coincidence is suggestive and either way, your point falls.
That’s even before we go into his desperation for a garden, his decision to visit a hospital and a beauty spot while quarantined and his increasingly bizarre lies to try and cover it.
Care home update - I`d welcome opinions. (There was a heart-wrenching episode of R4 Any Answers on this on Saturday.)
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days. 2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room. 3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
What a terrible situation in which to find yourself.
I would try the testing route, say you'll have a (private) test the day before you come and see her, and will isolate between the test and the visit.
The problem, from their side, is that they won't want to make exceptions to their rules for anyone, as it could lead to complaints from others and allegations of discrimination (I can't afford a private test, so it's not fair that he gets to see his relative and I don't, just because he has money and I don't).
Ferrier gone in a day, Cummings still there. Therein lies the difference
Precisely. And thus the SNP can make a virtue out of necessity in having to cricket bat one of their MPs, and Johnson is made to look awful all over again.
Cummings is toxic to the Government. As long as he remains in place he can be weaponized over and over again by its opponents.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
She's an elected Member of Parliament too.
...and your point is?
MPs are the ones who vote for the rules.
Did you miss the bit where the government took upon itself the power to make and promulgate rules without any reference to parliament?
Which, without drawing any direct analogy, was one of the first powers the Nazis introduced after Hitler was made chancellor in 1933.......
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
Like Cummings this is volume turned up to eleven serious.
Nippy has to do to Ferrier what she did to Calderwood.
But not what BJ did to Dom presumably.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
That is fair enough. I agree with your comment re: Cummings. I find it tiresome how some of the more excitable Tories on here seem to think Ms. Ferrier's action makes what Cummings did OK.
Please do not include me in that comment
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
But this breach is beyond believable
I want to know her thought process. It might prove valuable to understand the mentality of others, who have done or will do similar things.
- She had a positive test. - At that point I would be trying to work out how not meet anyone for 10-14 days. - Definitely cancel anything like an appointment/meeting - Probably text spamming anyone I'd met in the last week or 2...
Yes I desperatly want to know her thought process
I am not being sarcastic - understanding is the first step to fix a problem.
We have a problem with people being selfish about COVID risks. Find out why.....
Absolutely. Like you I simply don't under stand how she ended up making the decisions she did.
If this was a person on the poverty line who couldn't eat if they didn't work I would understand it, but not an MP.
ITV commenting on Margaret Ferrier SNP MP said it was shocking and extraordinary that she traveled to Westminster with symptoms and then unbelievable travelled back to Scotland on the train having had a positive test
They said there will be serious repercussions in Parliament and the SNP tonight
And to be fair, this is worse than Cummings idiotic escapade
It is 100 times worse than Cummings. He was just in a car with his family. But still the Cummings story was the biggest news event of the past 20 years eclipsing the Irag War, 9/11 etc etc
She's an elected Member of Parliament too.
...and your point is?
MPs are the ones who vote for the rules.
Did you miss the bit where the government took upon itself the power to make and promulgate rules without any reference to parliament?
Which, without drawing any direct analogy, was one of the first powers the Nazis introduced after Hitler was made chancellor in 1933.......
No, I didn't. I noticed the bit where MPs voted to give the government power to make rules, the government didn't take that power by itself.
I also noticed 80 Tory MPs suggesting this week that they'd be happy to strip the government of those powers, a rebellion I supported on this site . . . what a shame the opposition MPs who could have won the vote if they'd gone against the government chose not to instead.
I wonder how Ferrier voted on the original ballot giving the powers to the government and this week's one? If she opposed the government having the powers both times then fair enough.
Somewhat typical of Sturgeon that she hesitated for a while before deciding it was utterly indefensible. Reminds me of her outrage over exams - several days after it happened.
Somewhat typical of Sturgeon that she hesitated for a while before deciding it was utterly indefensible. Reminds me of her outrage over exams - several days after it happened.
Ferrier new on Tuesday. What did she tell the whips? Why has it taken 2 days for Nippy to "find out" ?
Somewhat typical of Sturgeon that she hesitated for a while before deciding it was utterly indefensible. Reminds me of her outrage over exams - several days after it happened.
Ferrier new on Tuesday. What did she tell the whips? Why has it taken 2 days for Nippy to "find out" ?
Care home update - I`d welcome opinions. (There was a heart-wrenching episode of R4 Any Answers on this on Saturday.)
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days. 2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room. 3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
What a terrible situation in which to find yourself.
I would try the testing route, say you'll have a (private) test the day before you come and see her, and will isolate between the test and the visit.
The problem, from their side, is that they won't want to make exceptions to their rules for anyone, as it could lead to complaints from others and allegations of discrimination (I can't afford a private test, so it's not fair that he gets to see his relative and I don't, just because he has money and I don't).
What a decent politician Nicola Sturgeon is. Absolutely correct response, and such a contrast with the Cummings disaster, which continues to haunt Boris and the party. Shame about Nicola being leader of a party committed to breaking up Britain. She would make a better PM than any rival at the moment.
Care home update - I`d welcome opinions. (There was a heart-wrenching episode of R4 Any Answers on this on Saturday.)
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days. 2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room. 3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
What a terrible situation in which to find yourself.
I would try the testing route, say you'll have a (private) test the day before you come and see her, and will isolate between the test and the visit.
The problem, from their side, is that they won't want to make exceptions to their rules for anyone, as it could lead to complaints from others and allegations of discrimination (I can't afford a private test, so it's not fair that he gets to see his relative and I don't, just because he has money and I don't).
How much is a private test?
I paid £180 for a 24 hour return test, BUPA do a 3-5 day turnaround time test for £65.
Ferrier gone in a day, Cummings still there. Therein lies the difference
I'm remembering a previous incidence of the SNP promptly disciplining a party member where the galaxy brain take was that they only did it to make other parties look bad.
What a decent politician Nicola Sturgeon is. Absolutely correct response, and such a contrast with the Cummings disaster, which continues to haunt Boris and the party. Shame about Nicola being leader of a party committed to breaking up Britain. She would make a better PM than any rival at the moment.
Whilst I basically agree with you about Johnson's defence of Cummings, there are two major differences that make this very much easier for Sturgeon.
Firstly, reckless and arrogant as Cummings was and is, this is even further up the egregiousness scale - it's impossible to defend in any way, even a weak one.
Secondly, Johnson feels Cummings is indispensible. Margaret Ferrier is a nobody and utterly dispensible.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
I don't know what living arrangements she has in London, but she surely has somewhere she can rest her head.
That's the bit that makes no sense.
Why travel for six hours on a train, when you know you have the virus?
We know she stayed in London on the Monday night, so why not isolate herself there until she's no longer a risk?
Government advice is very clear that if you have symptoms you should go home and stay home.
What a decent politician Nicola Sturgeon is. Absolutely correct response, and such a contrast with the Cummings disaster, which continues to haunt Boris and the party. Shame about Nicola being leader of a party committed to breaking up Britain. She would make a better PM than any rival at the moment.
Whilst I basically agree with you about Johnson's defence of Cummings, there are two major differences that make this very much easier for Sturgeon.
Firstly, reckless and arrogant as Cummings was and is, this is even further up the egregiousness scale - it's impossible to defend in any way, even a weak one.
Secondly, Johnson feels Cummings is indispensible. Margaret Ferrier is a nobody and utterly dispensible.
In a fair and just world, that latter should not be a consideration.
That our lame duck PM is so dependent on an advisor is problem in itself. Just as we had with Mrs M and Fiona and Nick.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
I don't know what living arrangements she has in London, but she surely has somewhere she can rest her head.
That's the bit that makes no sense.
Why travel for six hours on a train, when you know you have the virus?
We know she stayed in London on the Monday night, so why not isolate herself there until she's no longer a risk?
Government advice is very clear that if you have symptoms you should go home and stay home.
On public transport?
And doesn't she have a home in London?
If she'd driven the journey would be fair enough. Its the public transport that is awful - plus the going into Parliament while knowing you personally have symptoms of course.
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
I don't know what living arrangements she has in London, but she surely has somewhere she can rest her head.
That's the bit that makes no sense.
Why travel for six hours on a train, when you know you have the virus?
We know she stayed in London on the Monday night, so why not isolate herself there until she's no longer a risk?
Government advice is very clear that if you have symptoms you should go home and stay home.
On public transport?
And doesn't she have a home in London?
If she'd driven the journey would be fair enough. Its the public transport that is awful - plus the going into Parliament while knowing you personally have symptoms of course.
Perhaps she needed a eye test before she could drive?
Unbelievable arrogance from that SNP MP. By acting so selfishly, she he has potentially passed the infection on to a number of people and will have caused distress to many more. If she had any sense of honour she would resign. The SNP should clearly suspend her. What are the chances?
They have no choice.
She has put all mps and staff in the HOC at risk and all those on her train journey
If you get a positive result, return home whilst staying away from others as best you can is government advice, is it not?
Are you excusing her. Really
Not at all. Travelling with symptoms was truly dumb. Pitching up at work when you know you have symptoms is her serious offence.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
I don't know what living arrangements she has in London, but she surely has somewhere she can rest her head.
That's the bit that makes no sense.
Why travel for six hours on a train, when you know you have the virus?
We know she stayed in London on the Monday night, so why not isolate herself there until she's no longer a risk?
Government advice is very clear that if you have symptoms you should go home and stay home.
On public transport?
And doesn't she have a home in London?
If she'd driven the journey would be fair enough. Its the public transport that is awful - plus the going into Parliament while knowing you personally have symptoms of course.
Perhaps she needed a eye test before she could drive?
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https://twitter.com/EKRuthCambusPol/status/1310910955208028166
Visit police station after being told to self isolate...
Harold Shipman's strike rate compared to Fred West's didn't make West a good guy.
The SNP haven't been slow in suspending other elected members for lesser offences so they should get it done now (as many SNP supporters are saying on twitter).
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This suggests Margaret Ferrier met with police on TUESDAY, after receiving her positive COVID test result on Monday night and then taking public transport back to Scotland from London. {Pic of Ferrier with some police indoors, no mask, broadly socially distanced}
Think Ruthie has deleted this tweet now.
https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/1311726724321873925
It kills the story and salvages a bit of dignity. A lot of people accept the argument that they admitted it, apologised, and paid the penalty. People can still say - correctly - you were a fool. But they can't say you received special treatment.
Cummings should have gone and I have said that ever since the breach
But this breach is beyond believable
I don't dispute this is off the scale, but you are rewriting history.
The point is that they are all people who should set an example, all broke the law, and all admit it. The penalty isn't Guantanomo Bay - it's a fine. For each of them, the danger is being seen to get preferential treatment and "one rule for them".
They should all be begging the Police to throw the (pretty small) book at them.
- She had a positive test.
- At that point I would be trying to work out how not meet anyone for 10-14 days.
- Definitely cancel anything like an appointment/meeting
- Probably text spamming anyone I'd met in the last week or 2...
We have a problem with people being selfish about COVID risks. Find out why.....
I'd actually be impressed with her in a way if she did forego four years of an MP's salary because she's embarrassed. But I don't think it's likely.
I misunderstood your point which I understand
(Because this is literally the problem - it's people making judgements on others risk and health)
a different take.
This is the year 2020, actually printed newspapers are a fraction of the news. Online websites whether the Guardian online, the Times behind its paywall, the Mail's website etc are the bulk of their readership now . . . and the BBC News website has the biggest printed news readership of them all.
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1311733951518646273
This time of year, Eurotunnel would normally be 80% returning Brits. Today, they were running a 50% service but what they were running was full. I’d guess about 45% Brits and 45% travelling Germans, with the balance the odd French, Belgian or Dutch car.
The weather here is shit right now. I got soaked unloading the car.
My mother`s care home is - at last - allocating a room inside the home for visitors. However - only one person is allowed to visit and that has to be the same person every time. That person will be my father.
This means that my sister and I, and friends, will only have the option of an "outside visit". Over the winter months, let`s say five months, outside visits will be unlikely to happen for obvious weather reasons plus my mum is often too unwell to be wheeled out into the car park. Therefore it is likely that we will not (dad excepted) be able to see my mum at all for five months.
What to do? There in no appeal procedure. I think mum should be allowed visitors when:
1) the visitor has had a negative Covid test within the last, say, three days.
2) I think that if mum is not well enough to attend an inside or outside visit then she should be entitled to have the visitor come to her room.
3) I, or my sister, should be able to take mum out for a ride in the car if mum is well enough to do so.
I think these are reasonable common-sense requests but the home will not agree to any of them.
Any thoughts? I`m thinking about writing to the local council about the situation.
I was commenting on her trip home.
It’s just that I was looking at the advice on gov.uk, after having filled in my passenger locator form from my hotel room in Germany yesterday, and the advice if you test for the virus wasn’t “go straight to the nearest hospital” but appeared to be “get yourself home staying away from others as best you can”.
Why travel for six hours on a train, when you know you have the virus?
We know she stayed in London on the Monday night, so why not isolate herself there until she's no longer a risk?
Her political career is probably (rightly) over.
Post hoc does not equal propter hoc, of course, but the coincidence is suggestive and either way, your point falls.
That’s even before we go into his desperation for a garden, his decision to visit a hospital and a beauty spot while quarantined and his increasingly bizarre lies to try and cover it.
I would try the testing route, say you'll have a (private) test the day before you come and see her, and will isolate between the test and the visit.
The problem, from their side, is that they won't want to make exceptions to their rules for anyone, as it could lead to complaints from others and allegations of discrimination (I can't afford a private test, so it's not fair that he gets to see his relative and I don't, just because he has money and I don't).
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1311710240887517184
Cummings is toxic to the Government. As long as he remains in place he can be weaponized over and over again by its opponents.
Which, without drawing any direct analogy, was one of the first powers the Nazis introduced after Hitler was made chancellor in 1933.......
If this was a person on the poverty line who couldn't eat if they didn't work I would understand it, but not an MP.
I also noticed 80 Tory MPs suggesting this week that they'd be happy to strip the government of those powers, a rebellion I supported on this site . . . what a shame the opposition MPs who could have won the vote if they'd gone against the government chose not to instead.
I wonder how Ferrier voted on the original ballot giving the powers to the government and this week's one? If she opposed the government having the powers both times then fair enough.
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1311739966783922177
Firstly, reckless and arrogant as Cummings was and is, this is even further up the egregiousness scale - it's impossible to defend in any way, even a weak one.
Secondly, Johnson feels Cummings is indispensible. Margaret Ferrier is a nobody and utterly dispensible.
Biden 1.58 as next President. Democrat also 1.58 as next President.
Trump as next President 2.74. Republican as next President 2.68. Trump to leave before end of 1st term 10.
They can't compel her to resign her seat, but they can publicly call for it.
Nippy probably has to, and hope she says no.
That our lame duck PM is so dependent on an advisor is problem in itself. Just as we had with Mrs M and Fiona and Nick.
And doesn't she have a home in London?
If she'd driven the journey would be fair enough. Its the public transport that is awful - plus the going into Parliament while knowing you personally have symptoms of course.
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1311606783711088641?s=19