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Black Lives Matter is a full-on Marxist claque which teaches that white people are intrinsically and always racist, and can never stop being racist, and must constantly atone for this original sin.Alistair said:
Yes, on one side you have people demanding that Black people be treated as full human being with rights and on the other side you have a proto-fascist.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
Both sides clearly to blame.
FFS, get a grip.
And BLM has been swooned over by Democrats, right up to the top.
Meanwhile their armed wing is destroying US cities.
Yes, the American Left is as bad as Trump, if not worse.
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What's the song?Nigelb said:0 -
Many on here think Starmer is Kinnock. I have higher hopes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Isn't the equivalent then though that they were going up against Corbyn whereas now they're going up against Wilson?Mexicanpete said:
It did them little harm in the 1980s. Although this feels different. More like post-2008, but on steroids.CorrectHorseBattery said:I can't see how high unemployment is going to make the Tory Party popular
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15 years
Same wife
Same job
Same house
Same number of kids
Have I been wasting my time?1 -
Well, you say that, but:Stark_Dawning said:
It's a testament to Tone's awesomeness that his swan song of 2005 was only a bit worse than Boris's 2019, which Boris's admirers perceive as one of the greatest political achievements in history.BluestBlue said:Excellent chart - I don't know why, but I just find this colour scheme oddly appealing...
I remember watching the 2005 election results roll in with some friends, one of whom was so marrow-deep a Tory that he made me look moderate. He was absolutely convinced that Blair was about to be unceremoniously ejected from power, while the rest of us tried our best to humour him and keep him happy-drunk.
He was also 100% certain then that Britain would eventually vote to leave the EU, which made us roll our eyes even more. I mean, how wrong can one person be?!
2005: Blair: Labour majority of 66 on 35.2% of the vote and a 2.8% lead.
Lowest vote share for a majority government in UK electoral history.
2019: Boris: Conservative majority of 80 on 43.6% of the vote and a 11.5% lead.
Highest vote share for 40 years, including all four of the Thatcher and Blair landslides.
Tone had the most amazing vote-to-seat efficiency in 2005, but 2019 was something extraordinary in raw vote share, no matter how you slice it.2 -
I see that we've moved on from very fine people on both sides in the moral equivalence wars.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
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https://labourlist.org/2020/09/the-first-labour-party-political-broadcasts-of-starmers-predecessors/
2010 featuring Chuka lol0 -
In the 80s it was Labour voters being made redundant. Now its Tory voters. But don't worry - the Daily Mail advises that people on benefits live it large...Mexicanpete said:
It did them little harm in the 1980s. Although this feels different. More like post-2008, but on steroids.CorrectHorseBattery said:I can't see how high unemployment is going to make the Tory Party popular
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This site should help us make an informed prediction. I think by this time next year we should have a better idea, one way or the other how it could look.Big_G_NorthWales said:CorrectHorseBattery said:How much does a change impact voting in 2024, Keir is seemingly going for the New Labour approach advised by Brown in the foreground (and I assume) Blair in the background.
I've bet on a Hung Parliament - and am prepared to lose money yet again, as you know my recent record has been poor, although I did call 2017 and the EU Elections correctly. I've bet on Biden to be President, will see how that goes.
Nobody can possibly have a clue about the 2024 GE, far too many variables, indeed an exceptional number of them0 -
You ain't no libertarian -Sandpit said:
Fingers crossed for a few more £10k fines. Eventually people will get the hint and stop organising large gatherings.FrancisUrquhart said:
I’d like to think I was pretty high up on the libertarian scale on this forum, but things like wars and pandemics require a different approach. How many of these idiots will visit parents and grandparents in the coming days and weeks?0 -
The insane identity politics are - of course - ridiculous and damaging.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
But if Trump was just attacking that, and immigration, and free trade, etc., then we while we might not agree with him on everything, that would be well within his right.
But "insane identity politics" are not a threat to democracy. What is currently happening in the US *is* a threat to democracy. And we need to call it out when we see it, not attempt to say "there are good people on both sides".
The US (like the UK) has been successful because it has a good system. Once you dismantle a good system, you are on the highway to hell.0 -
The Telegraph probably being the paper with fewest ever-Lib Dem voters, or ever-almost any party...rottenborough said:" How on earth does a party that can count JS Mill among its forebears end up seeking the outlaw the use of the phrase “biological man”? "
"As an outsider who runs a centrist think-tank, I’d suggest the Lib Dem aim should be something else: to make the case for a rather older idea of liberalism, one where personal freedom and responsibility go hand-in-hand and people are trusted to make their own choices within a clear set of rules."
https://unherd.com/2020/09/what-is-to-become-of-the-lib-dem-cockroaches/0 -
Well frankly if he's Kinnock that's a good start.Mexicanpete said:
Many on here think Starmer is Kinnock. I have higher hopes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Isn't the equivalent then though that they were going up against Corbyn whereas now they're going up against Wilson?Mexicanpete said:
It did them little harm in the 1980s. Although this feels different. More like post-2008, but on steroids.CorrectHorseBattery said:I can't see how high unemployment is going to make the Tory Party popular
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So you're American today Sean?LadyG said:
Black Lives Matter is a full-on Marxist claque which teaches that white people are intrinsically and always racist, and can never stop being racist, and must constantly atone for this original sin.Alistair said:
Yes, on one side you have people demanding that Black people be treated as full human being with rights and on the other side you have a proto-fascist.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
Both sides clearly to blame.
FFS, get a grip.
And BLM has been swooned over by Democrats, right up to the top.
Meanwhile their armed wing is destroying US cities.
Yes, the American Left is as bad as Trump, if not worse.
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PossiblyMexicanpete said:
This site should help us make an informed prediction. I think by this time next year we should have a better idea, one way or the other how it could look.Big_G_NorthWales said:CorrectHorseBattery said:How much does a change impact voting in 2024, Keir is seemingly going for the New Labour approach advised by Brown in the foreground (and I assume) Blair in the background.
I've bet on a Hung Parliament - and am prepared to lose money yet again, as you know my recent record has been poor, although I did call 2017 and the EU Elections correctly. I've bet on Biden to be President, will see how that goes.
Nobody can possibly have a clue about the 2024 GE, far too many variables, indeed an exceptional number of them
I would add I have no idea myself on how I would vote just now1 -
Not long until Opinium, anyone making predictions?0
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I wouldn't judge the Republican Party (or the American Right) by the Ku Klux Klan. Why are judging the American Left by Antifa?LadyG said:
Black Lives Matter is a full-on Marxist claque which teaches that white people are intrinsically and always racist, and can never stop being racist, and must constantly atone for this original sin.Alistair said:
Yes, on one side you have people demanding that Black people be treated as full human being with rights and on the other side you have a proto-fascist.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
Both sides clearly to blame.
FFS, get a grip.
And BLM has been swooned over by Democrats, right up to the top.
Meanwhile their armed wing is destroying US cities.
Yes, the American Left is as bad as Trump, if not worse.
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1306737500086566912?s=20
(As an aside, the US intelligence services - not a noticeably not Left wing group - don't regard Antifa as a domestic terrorist threat.)0 -
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government0 -
Across government talk of a V-shaped recovery is long gone
Cabinet minister: ‘Things were getting back to normal but that summer optimism has turned out to be misplaced
‘A V-shaped recovery is much harder to achieve now. These are very, very difficult circumstances’
PB was ahead of the curve again0 -
What summer optimism? The cases were rising from June, as many of us said at the time we were heading for a second wave - this Government is useless0
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Read the article, the advice is basically the same just a tad more nuanced.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government0 -
Fifteen years ago I was working for the web agency AKQA, pretty much full-time on the websites for the Orange mobile phone network. If you bought a phone online from Orange around then, or looked up to see how much it would cost to use on holiday on Orange’s roaming partner networks or searched the Orange Wednesdays site to find what films were playing, you would have been running code (partly) written by me.0
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Trouble is that moving to No 10 doesn't exactly insulate him from the blame. And I don't think he wants to be a footnote.Mexicanpete said:
He has to get it soon. If the economy bombs on his watch, he will be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I think you and I think in similar ways.Mexicanpete said:
I have Sunak as a shooting star. Unless Johnson falls on his well worked sword soon, Sunak will miss the boat. I have this horrible fear that Raab could come next, although I have offset that disappointment, and there will be a drink in it for me if he does.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well it's an interesting one, will his mistakes (?) as Chancellor come back to haunt him as they did for Brown?rottenborough said:
Sunak has made his first massive mistake.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't doubt Sunak will get a bounce when he - presumably - takes over but I wonder if it will last. Brown's didn't last long and that's the last version of these events we have to compare to. He then was out of power three years later.
I wonder if 2024 will be a repeat of 2010.
I wonder if it's too early for Rishi and he won't go for it. I'm not betting on it as I don't have the confidence I had with Johnson
Assuming that Dishi Rishi is really Ambishi, his best bet is to walk away very visibly on a Matter Of Principle, be King Over The Water for a bit, and take over after the 2024 defeat. He's young enough.1 -
Depending on where I live, will be a tactical anti-Tory vote in 2024.0
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This is what I think - but I was laughed at yesterday for saying itStuartinromford said:
Trouble is that moving to No 10 doesn't exactly insulate him from the blame. And I don't think he wants to be a footnote.Mexicanpete said:
He has to get it soon. If the economy bombs on his watch, he will be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I think you and I think in similar ways.Mexicanpete said:
I have Sunak as a shooting star. Unless Johnson falls on his well worked sword soon, Sunak will miss the boat. I have this horrible fear that Raab could come next, although I have offset that disappointment, and there will be a drink in it for me if he does.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well it's an interesting one, will his mistakes (?) as Chancellor come back to haunt him as they did for Brown?rottenborough said:
Sunak has made his first massive mistake.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't doubt Sunak will get a bounce when he - presumably - takes over but I wonder if it will last. Brown's didn't last long and that's the last version of these events we have to compare to. He then was out of power three years later.
I wonder if 2024 will be a repeat of 2010.
I wonder if it's too early for Rishi and he won't go for it. I'm not betting on it as I don't have the confidence I had with Johnson
Assuming that Dishi Rishi is really Ambishi, his best bet is to walk away very visibly on a Matter Of Principle, be King Over The Water for a bit, and take over after the 2024 defeat. He's young enough.0 -
I have been thinking that too, but I have jumped the other way based on The Saj, who has sunk without trace.Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is that moving to No 10 doesn't exactly insulate him from the blame. And I don't think he wants to be a footnote.Mexicanpete said:
He has to get it soon. If the economy bombs on his watch, he will be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I think you and I think in similar ways.Mexicanpete said:
I have Sunak as a shooting star. Unless Johnson falls on his well worked sword soon, Sunak will miss the boat. I have this horrible fear that Raab could come next, although I have offset that disappointment, and there will be a drink in it for me if he does.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well it's an interesting one, will his mistakes (?) as Chancellor come back to haunt him as they did for Brown?rottenborough said:
Sunak has made his first massive mistake.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't doubt Sunak will get a bounce when he - presumably - takes over but I wonder if it will last. Brown's didn't last long and that's the last version of these events we have to compare to. He then was out of power three years later.
I wonder if 2024 will be a repeat of 2010.
I wonder if it's too early for Rishi and he won't go for it. I'm not betting on it as I don't have the confidence I had with Johnson
Assuming that Dishi Rishi is really Ambishi, his best bet is to walk away very visibly on a Matter Of Principle, be King Over The Water for a bit, and take over after the 2024 defeat. He's young enough.1 -
People talk about these student isolation lockdowns as if they are just a bit of short term hardship they have to go through (although generally with little concept of the extremely limited accommodation they are having to do it in). But entire halls with hundreds of people are being put into extreme lockdown on the basis of single or very low levels of positive tests. And if by some miracle they get through it without breaches or worse, then they will emerge from their quarantine, only to no doubt find that somebody else tests positive shortly afterwards, and back they go. It's competely unsustainable, and will lead to mental health issues (or worse) on an unimaginable scale.
All for an illness which will be largely harmless to the students themselves as individuals.2 -
So on one hand you got a random on the street spouting awful opinions and on the other hand you have the president of the United States glorifying violence against his political opponents and refusing to confirm he will stand down if defeated.LadyG said:
Do you see how the equivalency fails?
Also I haven't seen a single top level Dem politician praise the Marxist front orginisation BlackLivesMatters as opposed to the general amorphous movement made of ordinary people pushing for racial justice that has the same name.1 -
There's a two to three week gap between actions occurring and them showing up in the infection numbers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The new measures don't do anything...isam said:"The Party's decision to enforce more measures has been a great success"
This leads to a great deal of utter stupidity.3 -
You would have more credibility if Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, France, Spain and most of Europe were doing any better but patently they are notCorrectHorseBattery said:What summer optimism? The cases were rising from June, as many of us said at the time we were heading for a second wave - this Government is useless
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If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government0 -
For now, tax rises have been shelved. The day after his economic statement in July Mr Sunak met with officials for a “scorecard” conference to discuss how to balance the books. The options on the table, which were subsequently leaked, included increasing capital gains tax, corporation tax, fuel duty and cutting pensions tax relief for high earners.
While Mr Sunak said on Thursday that “difficult decisions” about tax rises lay ahead, for now they were on the backburner.0 -
Very true and very scaryalex_ said:People talk about these student isolation lockdowns as if they are just a bit of short term hardship they have to go through (although generally with little concept of the extremely limited accommodation they are having to do it in). But entire halls with hundreds of people are being put into extreme lockdown on the basis of single or very low levels of positive tests. And if by some miracle they get through it without breaches or worse, then they will emerge from their quarantine, only to no doubt find that somebody else tests positive shortly afterwards, and back they go. It's competely unsustainable, and will lead to mental health issues (or worse) on an unimaginable scale.
All for an illness which will be largely harmless to the students themselves as individuals.0 -
Posted in error!Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is that moving to No 10 doesn't exactly insulate him from the blame. And I don't think he wants to be a footnote.Mexicanpete said:
He has to get it soon. If the economy bombs on his watch, he will be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I think you and I think in similar ways.Mexicanpete said:
I have Sunak as a shooting star. Unless Johnson falls on his well worked sword soon, Sunak will miss the boat. I have this horrible fear that Raab could come next, although I have offset that disappointment, and there will be a drink in it for me if he does.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well it's an interesting one, will his mistakes (?) as Chancellor come back to haunt him as they did for Brown?rottenborough said:
Sunak has made his first massive mistake.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't doubt Sunak will get a bounce when he - presumably - takes over but I wonder if it will last. Brown's didn't last long and that's the last version of these events we have to compare to. He then was out of power three years later.
I wonder if 2024 will be a repeat of 2010.
I wonder if it's too early for Rishi and he won't go for it. I'm not betting on it as I don't have the confidence I had with Johnson
Assuming that Dishi Rishi is really Ambishi, his best bet is to walk away very visibly on a Matter Of Principle, be King Over The Water for a bit, and take over after the 2024 defeat. He's young enough.0 -
There are countries in Europe that have done a lot better than us, to say otherwise is not being honestBig_G_NorthWales said:
You would have more credibility if Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, France, Spain and most of Europe were doing any better but patently they are notCorrectHorseBattery said:What summer optimism? The cases were rising from June, as many of us said at the time we were heading for a second wave - this Government is useless
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I am always amazed at the number of people who do. Back in the day, i could understand not knowing an area and worry would spend an age coming off a motorway to find somewhere...but now, couple of clicks on waze and you will be rerouted.Mexicanpete said:
If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government0 -
Very few and I used the word mostCorrectHorseBattery said:
There are countries in Europe that have done a lot better than us, to say otherwise is not being honestBig_G_NorthWales said:
You would have more credibility if Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, France, Spain and most of Europe were doing any better but patently they are notCorrectHorseBattery said:What summer optimism? The cases were rising from June, as many of us said at the time we were heading for a second wave - this Government is useless
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CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't think this is really true. He's not a potential PM yet. If there were a leadership election tomorrow I'm not sure if he'd run and if he did he'd get a couple of handfuls of votes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Absolutely anybody can spend a trillion quid unwisely, and that's what Sunak has done. He needs a few pluses.2 -
What if Nigey stands in your seat against the Cons.?CorrectHorseBattery said:Depending on where I live, will be a tactical anti-Tory vote in 2024.
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It is quite clear though that a hell of a lot of the electorate are prepared to make allowances for the situation they find themselves in (particularly on Covid). Most know that there are few good solutions. However it does need the Government to have a clear well argued strategy, and is extremely helpful to have a leader who can articulate that.Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is that moving to No 10 doesn't exactly insulate him from the blame. And I don't think he wants to be a footnote.Mexicanpete said:
He has to get it soon. If the economy bombs on his watch, he will be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I think you and I think in similar ways.Mexicanpete said:
I have Sunak as a shooting star. Unless Johnson falls on his well worked sword soon, Sunak will miss the boat. I have this horrible fear that Raab could come next, although I have offset that disappointment, and there will be a drink in it for me if he does.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Well it's an interesting one, will his mistakes (?) as Chancellor come back to haunt him as they did for Brown?rottenborough said:
Sunak has made his first massive mistake.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't doubt Sunak will get a bounce when he - presumably - takes over but I wonder if it will last. Brown's didn't last long and that's the last version of these events we have to compare to. He then was out of power three years later.
I wonder if 2024 will be a repeat of 2010.
I wonder if it's too early for Rishi and he won't go for it. I'm not betting on it as I don't have the confidence I had with Johnson
Assuming that Dishi Rishi is really Ambishi, his best bet is to walk away very visibly on a Matter Of Principle, be King Over The Water for a bit, and take over after the 2024 defeat. He's young enough.
Johnson plainly cannot. Rishi seems far more up to the task, and could reap the rewards from that.1 -
That plus Europhilia was Orange Book LibDems.rottenborough said:" How on earth does a party that can count JS Mill among its forebears end up seeking the outlaw the use of the phrase “biological man”? "
"As an outsider who runs a centrist think-tank, I’d suggest the Lib Dem aim should be something else: to make the case for a rather older idea of liberalism, one where personal freedom and responsibility go hand-in-hand and people are trusted to make their own choices within a clear set of rules."
https://unherd.com/2020/09/what-is-to-become-of-the-lib-dem-cockroaches/
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But there are countries that have done better - so the idea we are in this state because it's what would always happen, is nonsense.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Very few and I used the word mostCorrectHorseBattery said:
There are countries in Europe that have done a lot better than us, to say otherwise is not being honestBig_G_NorthWales said:
You would have more credibility if Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, France, Spain and most of Europe were doing any better but patently they are notCorrectHorseBattery said:What summer optimism? The cases were rising from June, as many of us said at the time we were heading for a second wave - this Government is useless
We locked down too late and we've reacted too late yet again.
We have had a head start every time and we've sat and done nothing.1 -
Company cars no doubtFrancisUrquhart said:
I am always amazed at the number of people who do. Back in the day, i could understand not knowing an area and worry would spend an age coming off a motorway to find somewhere...but now, couple of clicks on waze and you will be rerouted.Mexicanpete said:
If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
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Jesus H Chr*stwilliamglenn said:2 -
Top, top trolling from Johnson.williamglenn said:2 -
I will never vote for BXP, UKIP, Tory or any similar on principleMexicanpete said:
What if Nigey stands in your seat against the Cons.?CorrectHorseBattery said:Depending on where I live, will be a tactical anti-Tory vote in 2024.
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So the Tories will simultaneously destroy the BBC and destroy OFCOM too! Yay0
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Is that the same principle that cheered on Corbyn until his defeat ?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I will never vote for BXP, UKIP, Tory or any similar on principleMexicanpete said:
What if Nigey stands in your seat against the Cons.?CorrectHorseBattery said:Depending on where I live, will be a tactical anti-Tory vote in 2024.
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it really isMexicanpete said:
Top, top trolling from Johnson.williamglenn said:2 -
Daily mail website in for a rough time then ;-)williamglenn said:2 -
This is Cummings. He's determined to take down the Blob. Superb.williamglenn said:2 -
I believe Corbyn would have been a good PM and I wish we had voted him in in 2019.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that the same principle that cheered on Corbyn until his defeat ?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I will never vote for BXP, UKIP, Tory or any similar on principleMexicanpete said:
What if Nigey stands in your seat against the Cons.?CorrectHorseBattery said:Depending on where I live, will be a tactical anti-Tory vote in 2024.
But accepting he lost and the party needs to change so it can get back to power is not the same as abandoning my principles.
If a left-wing Labour Party was electable I would support it - but I don't think it is. And if you can't put even some of your principles into action, you can't do anything. That's where I am at.
The Tories have done no good for this country since 2010 and they have been destroying it forever. I cannot support a party that does that.
Any Labour Government is better than a Tory one.0 -
Good for you!CorrectHorseBattery said:
I will never vote for BXP, UKIP, Tory or any similar on principleMexicanpete said:
What if Nigey stands in your seat against the Cons.?CorrectHorseBattery said:Depending on where I live, will be a tactical anti-Tory vote in 2024.
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Nuts. So that would be 2/3 of the population. Plus their sub 45 year old dependents. Anyone left to keep the country functioning?CorrectHorseBattery said:
EDIT: correction - 2/3 including dependents. But still. And all these 45-80 year olds dying of it as well...0 -
To make it clear again, I am a social democrat, I have always been and I will always will be. That hasn't changed.
The 2019 manifesto was to the left of my personal politics, 2017 was fantastic.0 -
Yes, it's always puzzled me and I can't think of a sensible answer. Why would anybody who wasn't desperate use a motorway services for petrol? I guess there may be a few who have petrol paid for by their compony. And maybe a few who have inadvertently run low on juice (although can just put a tenner in before going elsewhere.)FrancisUrquhart said:
I am always amazed at the number of people who do. Back in the day, i could understand not knowing an area and worry would spend an age coming off a motorway to find somewhere...but now, couple of clicks on waze and you will be rerouted.Mexicanpete said:
If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government
The price differentials are insane.0 -
Also, now with 24hr supermarkets, petrol is readily available at any time. I don't know how they get away with such a large differential in price. You would think market forces and such a large amount of competition would have driven that gap right down.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, it's always puzzled me and I can't think of a sensible answer. Why would anybody who wasn't desperate use a motorway services for petrol? I guess there may be a few who have petrol paid for by their compony. And maybe a few who have inadvertently run low on juice (although can just put a tenner in before going elsewhere.)FrancisUrquhart said:
I am always amazed at the number of people who do. Back in the day, i could understand not knowing an area and worry would spend an age coming off a motorway to find somewhere...but now, couple of clicks on waze and you will be rerouted.Mexicanpete said:
If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government
The price differentials are insane.0 -
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Woah! Am I going to lose my Sidebar of Shame???williamglenn said:1 -
On the 10pm shut off - had lunch today with a friend of mine who owns and runs a restaurant (and now takeaway), inevitably the subject got onto the 10pm closing time. His view - it won't drive restaurants to bankruptcy as most are now baseline profitable from their takeaway business, at least if they are good enough for repeat business. His major insight to me is that the shift to takeaway has made the restaurant business into much more of a meritocracy as punters rely on reviews on takeaway websites and less so on passing trade than before. Give customers a bad food experience and they won't come back.
On how the restriction will change things, the kitchen now closed at around 9:30pm and last orders are at around 9pm. This means they now have just one dinner sitting down from two. He said pre-COVID they would have 320 diners per night and they were basically fully booked every night of the week, with social distancing this went down to 140 diners and now they are down to just 70. He's happy that they developed a website and e-commerce business as soon as lockdown started and they got the government grant because now they sell sauces, marinades and seasoning mixes on their own website for local and now national delivery. He said this makes up for basically all of the revenue loss of the eat in business.
His view on pubs - they're fucked and the government has completely fucked it for them. After speaking to him I'm very worried about @Cyclefree and her daughter's pub. That the government are throwing away thousands of businesses and millions of jobs just to make it look like they are doing something is absolutely devastating.3 -
Even back in the day when I had company cars we were told to use the company credit card at supermarket service stations. Although at one point I had a BP/Shell only fuelcard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Company cars no doubtFrancisUrquhart said:
I am always amazed at the number of people who do. Back in the day, i could understand not knowing an area and worry would spend an age coming off a motorway to find somewhere...but now, couple of clicks on waze and you will be rerouted.Mexicanpete said:
If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government0 -
If they had given Andrew Neil as chairman of the BBC, that would have set the cat among the pigeons.0
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If they do that, i think we will find 100,000s of middle class ladies on the streets protesting.rcs1000 said:
Woah! Am I going to lose my Sidebar of Shame???williamglenn said:0 -
They got into power for the first time in, what 100 years? Got some of their major policies enacted and acted as a liberal break on more authoritarian Tory ministers like May.rcs1000 said:
That plus Europhilia was Orange Book LibDems.rottenborough said:" How on earth does a party that can count JS Mill among its forebears end up seeking the outlaw the use of the phrase “biological man”? "
"As an outsider who runs a centrist think-tank, I’d suggest the Lib Dem aim should be something else: to make the case for a rather older idea of liberalism, one where personal freedom and responsibility go hand-in-hand and people are trusted to make their own choices within a clear set of rules."
https://unherd.com/2020/09/what-is-to-become-of-the-lib-dem-cockroaches/
How did that work out for them?1 -
15 years ago I was living in the same house doing much the same job but with less job security and less pay.
But 15 years ago I could still walk... funny how you don't appreciate what you have until you lose it.
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Why bother when they could just give the licence fee to Spectator TV?FrancisUrquhart said:If they had given Andrew Neil as chairman of the BBC, that would have set the cat among the pigeons.
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Well then you're blind as well as stupidAlistair said:
So on one hand you got a random on the street spouting awful opinions and on the other hand you have the president of the United States glorifying violence against his political opponents and refusing to confirm he will stand down if defeated.LadyG said:
Do you see how the equivalency fails?
Also I haven't seen a single top level Dem politician praise the Marxist front orginisation BlackLivesMatters as opposed to the general amorphous movement made of ordinary people pushing for racial justice that has the same name.
I think critical race theory, cultural Marxism, the idea of original sin of White Racism and Fragility, and so on, are arguably more menacing, long term, to American democracy, than Trump's everyday lunacies.rcs1000 said:
The insane identity politics are - of course - ridiculous and damaging.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
But if Trump was just attacking that, and immigration, and free trade, etc., then we while we might not agree with him on everything, that would be well within his right.
But "insane identity politics" are not a threat to democracy. What is currently happening in the US *is* a threat to democracy. And we need to call it out when we see it, not attempt to say "there are good people on both sides".
The US (like the UK) has been successful because it has a good system. Once you dismantle a good system, you are on the highway to hell.
He's a terrible, odious president, but at most he can only run one more term (and he's surely going to lose); Cultural Marxism/Critical Race Theory and all that goes with it is a terrible but powerful IDEA, and ideas are more important in the end. This particular idea will presage a race war in the USA if it gets worse.
Moreover, America is exporting the madness of Critical Race Theory around the world, roiling other western nations.
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Go on, give me a list of all the senior Dem politicians praising the Marxist front orginisation.LadyG said:
Well then you're blind as well as stupidAlistair said:
So on one hand you got a random on the street spouting awful opinions and on the other hand you have the president of the United States glorifying violence against his political opponents and refusing to confirm he will stand down if defeated.LadyG said:
Do you see how the equivalency fails?
Also I haven't seen a single top level Dem politician praise the Marxist front orginisation BlackLivesMatters as opposed to the general amorphous movement made of ordinary people pushing for racial justice that has the same name.
You are a man of the world, surely you have some knowledge of how Marxist front orginisations work by now?
They find a popular cause and then try and insert themselves in a position that makes them 'look' like the cause. Trying to co-opt people for their radical Marxist agenda. The Socialist Worker Party and Revolutionary Communist Party have been doi g that for decades in the UK.3 -
Sounds liker Emmy-Lou Harris, but I don't recognise it. Sadly, the ad is a bit of in-group trolling which I don't think will work at all.rottenborough said:
What's the song?Nigelb said:0 -
That's hilarious.williamglenn said:3 -
I am meant to be going for a pub drink-up in Soho with friends tonight.MaxPB said:On the 10pm shut off - had lunch today with a friend of mine who owns and runs a restaurant (and now takeaway), inevitably the subject got onto the 10pm closing time. His view - it won't drive restaurants to bankruptcy as most are now baseline profitable from their takeaway business, at least if they are good enough for repeat business. His major insight to me is that the shift to takeaway has made the restaurant business into much more of a meritocracy as punters rely on reviews on takeaway websites and less so on passing trade than before. Give customers a bad food experience and they won't come back.
On how the restriction will change things, the kitchen now closed at around 9:30pm and last orders are at around 9pm. This means they now have just one dinner sitting down from two. He said pre-COVID they would have 320 diners per night and they were basically fully booked every night of the week, with social distancing this went down to 140 diners and now they are down to just 70. He's happy that they developed a website and e-commerce business as soon as lockdown started and they got the government grant because now they sell sauces, marinades and seasoning mixes on their own website for local and now national delivery. He said this makes up for basically all of the revenue loss of the eat in business.
His view on pubs - they're fucked and the government has completely fucked it for them. After speaking to him I'm very worried about @Cyclefree and her daughter's pub. That the government are throwing away thousands of businesses and millions of jobs just to make it look like they are doing something is absolutely devastating.
It's a cold grey evening, like November. I know we will be corralled to our allotted table and people in masks will hover, and track, and trace, and we won't have time to get properly sozzled.
Utterly depressing. I'd rather stay home and drink my own good (cheaper) wine, with my own music and food, and have a couple of these friends over.
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It's infected our own National Trust too, which is why I cancelled my membership this week.LadyG said:
Well then you're blind as well as stupidAlistair said:
So on one hand you got a random on the street spouting awful opinions and on the other hand you have the president of the United States glorifying violence against his political opponents and refusing to confirm he will stand down if defeated.LadyG said:
Do you see how the equivalency fails?
Also I haven't seen a single top level Dem politician praise the Marxist front orginisation BlackLivesMatters as opposed to the general amorphous movement made of ordinary people pushing for racial justice that has the same name.
I think critical race theory, cultural Marxism, the idea of original sin of White Racism and Fragility, and so on, are arguably more menacing, long term, to American democracy, than Trump's everyday lunacies.rcs1000 said:
The insane identity politics are - of course - ridiculous and damaging.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
But if Trump was just attacking that, and immigration, and free trade, etc., then we while we might not agree with him on everything, that would be well within his right.
But "insane identity politics" are not a threat to democracy. What is currently happening in the US *is* a threat to democracy. And we need to call it out when we see it, not attempt to say "there are good people on both sides".
The US (like the UK) has been successful because it has a good system. Once you dismantle a good system, you are on the highway to hell.
He's a terrible, odious president, but at most he can only run one more term (and he's surely going to lose); Cultural Marxism/Critical Race Theory and all that goes with it is a terrible but powerful IDEA, and ideas are more important in the end. This particular idea will presage a race war in the USA if it gets worse.
Moreover, America is exporting the madness of Critical Race Theory around the world, roiling other western nations.0 -
Wonderful news. Nice to see progress being made (or reversedLadyG said:
This is Cummings. He's determined to take down the Blob. Superb.williamglenn said:
) even during the daily grind of everything else that's going on. 0 -
I cancelled my BBC licence fee. Every little bit helps.Casino_Royale said:
It's infected our own National Trust too, which is why I cancelled my membership this week.LadyG said:
Well then you're blind as well as stupidAlistair said:
So on one hand you got a random on the street spouting awful opinions and on the other hand you have the president of the United States glorifying violence against his political opponents and refusing to confirm he will stand down if defeated.LadyG said:
Do you see how the equivalency fails?
Also I haven't seen a single top level Dem politician praise the Marxist front orginisation BlackLivesMatters as opposed to the general amorphous movement made of ordinary people pushing for racial justice that has the same name.
I think critical race theory, cultural Marxism, the idea of original sin of White Racism and Fragility, and so on, are arguably more menacing, long term, to American democracy, than Trump's everyday lunacies.rcs1000 said:
The insane identity politics are - of course - ridiculous and damaging.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
But if Trump was just attacking that, and immigration, and free trade, etc., then we while we might not agree with him on everything, that would be well within his right.
But "insane identity politics" are not a threat to democracy. What is currently happening in the US *is* a threat to democracy. And we need to call it out when we see it, not attempt to say "there are good people on both sides".
The US (like the UK) has been successful because it has a good system. Once you dismantle a good system, you are on the highway to hell.
He's a terrible, odious president, but at most he can only run one more term (and he's surely going to lose); Cultural Marxism/Critical Race Theory and all that goes with it is a terrible but powerful IDEA, and ideas are more important in the end. This particular idea will presage a race war in the USA if it gets worse.
Moreover, America is exporting the madness of Critical Race Theory around the world, roiling other western nations.1 -
Not sure - it appears that he is a fan of the BBC but takes issue with its news organisation. I don't think the middle class ladies are going to be up in arms about the latter. It's the actual destruction of the BBC that would lead to revolution.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they do that, i think we will find 100,000s of middle class ladies on the streets protesting.rcs1000 said:
Woah! Am I going to lose my Sidebar of Shame???williamglenn said:
Although one can't be sure. Dacre's defenders always argue that his strength as an editor was in reflecting the views of his readers. His critics of course suspected that he was pandering to the prejudices of his readers which is a subtlely different thing.
However "support the BBC, oppose "BBC bias" would very much fit in with the average Mail reader i think. Whether his real views align completely with that can't be sure.0 -
Mostly because people want a break and a cup of coffee and a wee... and having one stop is more convenient than having two.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, it's always puzzled me and I can't think of a sensible answer. Why would anybody who wasn't desperate use a motorway services for petrol? I guess there may be a few who have petrol paid for by their compony. And maybe a few who have inadvertently run low on juice (although can just put a tenner in before going elsewhere.)FrancisUrquhart said:
I am always amazed at the number of people who do. Back in the day, i could understand not knowing an area and worry would spend an age coming off a motorway to find somewhere...but now, couple of clicks on waze and you will be rerouted.Mexicanpete said:
If I want to pay 30p a litre more than at a supermarket, why shouldn't I stop at the motorway services?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1309899028906336258
This was good advice, ffs what is wrong with this Government
The price differentials are insane.0 -
The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting1
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“Small business” - he’s just screwed them over.CorrectHorseBattery said:2 -
None admit it, they will claim they read the likes of the Guardian, but they do, its a fact, it is why it is one of the most visited "news" websites and actually makes a healthy profit.alex_ said:
Not sure - it appears that he is a fan of the BBC but takes issue with its news organisation. I don't think the middle class ladies are going to be up in arms about the latter. It's the actual destruction of the BBC that would lead to revolution.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they do that, i think we will find 100,000s of middle class ladies on the streets protesting.rcs1000 said:
Woah! Am I going to lose my Sidebar of Shame???williamglenn said:1 -
Oh, I liked (if we exclude the Europhilia for a moment) the Orange Book LibDems.MaxPB said:
They got into power for the first time in, what 100 years? Got some of their major policies enacted and acted as a liberal break on more authoritarian Tory ministers like May.rcs1000 said:
That plus Europhilia was Orange Book LibDems.rottenborough said:" How on earth does a party that can count JS Mill among its forebears end up seeking the outlaw the use of the phrase “biological man”? "
"As an outsider who runs a centrist think-tank, I’d suggest the Lib Dem aim should be something else: to make the case for a rather older idea of liberalism, one where personal freedom and responsibility go hand-in-hand and people are trusted to make their own choices within a clear set of rules."
https://unherd.com/2020/09/what-is-to-become-of-the-lib-dem-cockroaches/
How did that work out for them?
But it also saw them reduced to 8 seats, it saw them lose in traditional areas of strength like the South West.
People don't want sensible and coherent policy platforms. They want someone who they think is 'on their side'.
Which is all a bit depressing really.0 -
You do not have to read itCorrectHorseBattery said:The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting
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Nothing much has changed since 2005.0
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I don't - I make sure to use Adblock if I have to look at any of their "journalism".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not have to read itCorrectHorseBattery said:The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting
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Specially for you HorseCorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't - I make sure to use Adblock if I have to look at any of their "journalism".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not have to read itCorrectHorseBattery said:The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting
The Sos is damaging the lives of so many
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If I have to go to it, I will use Adblock to ensure they make no money, I would happily see them go bustFrancisUrquhart said:
None admit it, they will claim they read the likes of the Guardian, but they do, its a fact, it is why it is one of the most visited "news" websites and actually makes a healthy profit.alex_ said:
Not sure - it appears that he is a fan of the BBC but takes issue with its news organisation. I don't think the middle class ladies are going to be up in arms about the latter. It's the actual destruction of the BBC that would lead to revolution.FrancisUrquhart said:
If they do that, i think we will find 100,000s of middle class ladies on the streets protesting.rcs1000 said:
Woah! Am I going to lose my Sidebar of Shame???williamglenn said:0 -
Yeah he's actually talking to a pub owner he knows about how they can help him but pubs aren't in the same position as he was because none of them really have unique products, their food is good but nothing unique there, they offer good quality beer and wine but people can buy that from the supermarket and they can't really run a takeaway business that will keep them going and they don't have any chance of an e-commerce sideline.LadyG said:
I am meant to be going for a pub drink-up in Soho with friends tonight.MaxPB said:On the 10pm shut off - had lunch today with a friend of mine who owns and runs a restaurant (and now takeaway), inevitably the subject got onto the 10pm closing time. His view - it won't drive restaurants to bankruptcy as most are now baseline profitable from their takeaway business, at least if they are good enough for repeat business. His major insight to me is that the shift to takeaway has made the restaurant business into much more of a meritocracy as punters rely on reviews on takeaway websites and less so on passing trade than before. Give customers a bad food experience and they won't come back.
On how the restriction will change things, the kitchen now closed at around 9:30pm and last orders are at around 9pm. This means they now have just one dinner sitting down from two. He said pre-COVID they would have 320 diners per night and they were basically fully booked every night of the week, with social distancing this went down to 140 diners and now they are down to just 70. He's happy that they developed a website and e-commerce business as soon as lockdown started and they got the government grant because now they sell sauces, marinades and seasoning mixes on their own website for local and now national delivery. He said this makes up for basically all of the revenue loss of the eat in business.
His view on pubs - they're fucked and the government has completely fucked it for them. After speaking to him I'm very worried about @Cyclefree and her daughter's pub. That the government are throwing away thousands of businesses and millions of jobs just to make it look like they are doing something is absolutely devastating.
It's a cold grey evening, like November. I know we will be corralled to our allotted table and people in masks will hover, and track, and trace, and we won't have time to get properly sozzled.
Utterly depressing. I'd rather stay home and drink my own good (cheaper) wine, with my own music and food, and have a couple of these friends over.
This, indeed, is how pubs will die
There's no way out for them, he's run a pub previously and says that around 60% of their revenue came between 9pm and midnight, now pubs only have 30 mins to sell drinks in that window with much reduced capacity.0 -
Wonder how the University authorities would respond to students going on hunger strike...CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Guido talking about impartiality is one of the most hilarious things I will read today, thanks for the laugh @Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales said:
Specially for you HorseCorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't - I make sure to use Adblock if I have to look at any of their "journalism".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not have to read itCorrectHorseBattery said:The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting
The Sos is damaging the lives of so many
https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1309909792610189321?s=090 -
He is not impartial he is a conservative bloggerCorrectHorseBattery said:
Guido talking about impartiality is one of the most hilarious things I will read today, thanks for the laugh @Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales said:
Specially for you HorseCorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't - I make sure to use Adblock if I have to look at any of their "journalism".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not have to read itCorrectHorseBattery said:The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting
The Sos is damaging the lives of so many
https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1309909792610189321?s=090 -
Yet your side insists the whole media landscape is leftie? FunnyBig_G_NorthWales said:
He is not impartial he is a conservative bloggerCorrectHorseBattery said:
Guido talking about impartiality is one of the most hilarious things I will read today, thanks for the laugh @Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales said:
Specially for you HorseCorrectHorseBattery said:
I don't - I make sure to use Adblock if I have to look at any of their "journalism".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not have to read itCorrectHorseBattery said:The Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism, SoS is disgusting
The Sos is damaging the lives of so many
https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1309909792610189321?s=091 -
"White fragility doesn't exist"Casino_Royale said:
It's infected our own National Trust too, which is why I cancelled my membership this week.LadyG said:
Well then you're blind as well as stupidAlistair said:
So on one hand you got a random on the street spouting awful opinions and on the other hand you have the president of the United States glorifying violence against his political opponents and refusing to confirm he will stand down if defeated.LadyG said:
Do you see how the equivalency fails?
Also I haven't seen a single top level Dem politician praise the Marxist front orginisation BlackLivesMatters as opposed to the general amorphous movement made of ordinary people pushing for racial justice that has the same name.
I think critical race theory, cultural Marxism, the idea of original sin of White Racism and Fragility, and so on, are arguably more menacing, long term, to American democracy, than Trump's everyday lunacies.rcs1000 said:
The insane identity politics are - of course - ridiculous and damaging.LadyG said:
Both sides are responsible for this tragedy. The insane identity politics of the American Left are as corrosive and damaging as the stupidity and aggression of the Trumpians.rottenborough said:It is astonishing and extremely upsetting to watch American democracy self-destruct.
But if Trump was just attacking that, and immigration, and free trade, etc., then we while we might not agree with him on everything, that would be well within his right.
But "insane identity politics" are not a threat to democracy. What is currently happening in the US *is* a threat to democracy. And we need to call it out when we see it, not attempt to say "there are good people on both sides".
The US (like the UK) has been successful because it has a good system. Once you dismantle a good system, you are on the highway to hell.
He's a terrible, odious president, but at most he can only run one more term (and he's surely going to lose); Cultural Marxism/Critical Race Theory and all that goes with it is a terrible but powerful IDEA, and ideas are more important in the end. This particular idea will presage a race war in the USA if it gets worse.
Moreover, America is exporting the madness of Critical Race Theory around the world, roiling other western nations.
Also:
"I cancelled my National Trust membership because they mentioned slavery."5 -
Guido runs a crap website and a crap Twitter account, he's as bad the Canary and Wankbox0
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In case anyone thinks he has an agenda, he's a long time Tory member and donor, though I doubt for much longer.0
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