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Corbyn, or Corbyn's office? (Echoes of Boris or Dom?).0
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"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.1 -
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.0 -
Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
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I'm no fan of Corbyn, but there's definitely two sides to this story, and the rebuttal from Steve Howell, sounds plausible too.
https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/12997235552911810571 -
Corbyn wanted a majority Labour government to push through a socialist agenda, he had zero interest in diluting that by doing deals with the LDs to stop Brexit by not putting up Labour candidates in their target seats0
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It caused a significant increase in house prices over those few months, at the same time as the economy was going into decline. House prices in the south east and especially Greater London were already somewhat overpriced. The combination of these three things lead to a house price crash that spread mich further than the SE. The housing problem persisted some years and the words negative equity became a common.kjh said:
According to Wikipedia when the multiple mortgage tax relief withdrawal was announced it caused a sharp increase in house prices to beat the deadline. Lawson subsequently stated he regretted not making it effective from budget day.DavidL said:
That makes no sense. Its not as if MIRAS was locked in for those who bought before a particular date. It was removed for everyone from a date. Pre-announcing it meant people could work out what their mortgage would be when it was gone and whether they could afford the house. This caused a modest dampening to the market not a boom or a subsequent bust.williamglenn said:
He preannounced it which accelerated the boom and then caused a subsequent bust.DavidL said:
Lawson salami sliced it and at a time of rapidly rising house prices (which the government was seeking to cool) it had minimal impact.kjh said:
Also replying to @contrarian who basically posted the same.rottenborough said:
CGT on primary residence would end Sunak's chances of being elected Tory leader within about five seconds.kjh said:
Careful Matt, I brought this up a few weeks ago and got absolutely minced.MattW said:
Some interesting ideas.Casino_Royale said:
The Sunday Times is reporting this differently - with all pensions relief given at 30% thus higher than the basic rate but lower than the higher rate thus avoiding the obvious headlines of either.Black_Rook said:
If they ramp up IHT or lower the thresholds then I'll be surprised - in a good way. But I doubt that they will. Going after estates enrages both stickbangers and their heirs in a way almost nothing else will, and is political nuclear death (as Theresa May discovered with the dementia tax.)Foxy said:
Looks like Rishi plans to copy Corbyns 2019 manifesto on tax. The cycle of copying Labours manifesto is accelerating.OldKingCole said:
Rishi (= Disraeli)??????Icarus said:
But who would they replace him with?Sandpit said:
He’ll be out of the door as quickly as Theresa May was, if he tries that one.IanB2 said:
Yesterday’s Briefing Room on R4 is well worth a listen. It included the suggestion that a thin last minute deal might be accompanied by an “implementation period” - during which everything would stay the same as currently. As a way to extend without actually extending.Foxy said:
Yes, Johnson copies Sturgeons homework then hands it in late.IanB2 said:This was the one that Boris f**ked up right at the beginning, with that rambling incoherent television address so memorably lampooned by Matt Lucas, which included announcing the supposedly clear new five-stage national alert system, and then saying we were currently at level three-and-a-half.
It never got off the runway.
The new system is: watch what Scotland is doing; wait a week during which ministers can build the suspense by denying or trashing the Scottish approach; do the same.
The SNP would not be anywhere near as popular without the Tories as a foil. It has been the cover for a lot of other failures.
It is Johnson's malevolent incompetence, as outlined in the header, that will end the United Kingdom.
The end of Transition is set to be a trainwreck too. What else can we expect?
Traditionally the Tories love a winner. And that goes above anything else.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1299811051924578304?s=09
The Government won't want to go after income tax, NI and VAT - too controversial, too obvious - with the caveat that they might scrap the preferential NI rate currently enjoyed by the self-employed, which is something that Sunak has hinted at in the past. They daren't touch the stickbangers, of course, so we are stuck with the wretched triple lock for the foreseeable. Hiking corporation tax at the same time as trying to get us through Brexit might be considered brave, in the Sir Humphrey sense.
Thus, the most obvious targets are tax reliefs enjoyed by the working age population. The prime candidate is a big Brown-style raid on pensions, this time normalising reliefs at the basic rate for all contributions. The FT was suggesting earlier in the year that CGT might be rounded up to a flat rate of 28% for all assets, and my husband was also speculating just yesterday that the annual contribution limit for ISAs might be cut in half.
Of course, the most radical measure would be to go all out with a wealth tax and pocket a one-off levy on all assets - savings, pensions, shares, property, the lot - which could potentially recoup the cost of all the extra borrowing taken out during the Plague. But I think it really would take a Corbyn Government to dare to try something like that!
I think something like that is likely.
But they need to stop ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the £25bn+ spent on the main residence relief CGT loophole.
That is worth more than all the rest put together.
You are probably right.
Can anyone remember the impact of removing Mortgage Tax Relief which I would have thought even more dramatic.
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Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
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Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.081 -
Am I wrong or is that Biden/Dem split now arable assuming a 5 percent commission?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
And by doing so, has zero possibility of implementing ANY of his policies. Great job.HYUFD said:Corbyn wanted a majority Labour government to push through a socialist agenda, he had zero interest in diluting that by doing deals with the LDs to stop Brexit by not putting up Labour candidates in their target seats
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Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
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Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
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You always post these odds without comment. And always when Trump has shortened, I assume you feel Biden is great value ?Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
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Ipsos did some pre- and post- convention favourability polling (no head-to-head poll as far as I can tell) and found that basically nothing happened.
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2020-08/topline-abc-ipsos-poll-aug30.pdf0 -
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
No he didn't. He wants "power without responsibility". His life has been opposition in perpetuity, even when his party were in power he opposed.HYUFD said:Corbyn wanted a majority Labour government to push through a socialist agenda, he had zero interest in diluting that by doing deals with the LDs to stop Brexit by not putting up Labour candidates in their target seats
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40% voteshare somewhat proves that Corbyn was the major drag on Labour in GE19.
I believe Labour would have done better with any other leader.2 -
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
And the LDs would not countenance supporting a minority Corbyn government to deliver Ref2 and Remain.HYUFD said:Corbyn wanted a majority Labour government to push through a socialist agenda, he had zero interest in diluting that by doing deals with the LDs to stop Brexit by not putting up Labour candidates in their target seats
So we got what we got. This.3 -
It's utter mince, it's the same horrendous logic that Kamala Harris backers were buying into for the Dem nomination.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
It's interesting that Trump is closing the gap IMO, even though the polls still have Biden ahead (although slightly less so than before).Pulpstar said:
You always post these odds without comment. And always when Trump has shortened, I assume you feel Biden is great value ?Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
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I too have the feeling that your boy is in the ascendency.Andy_JS said:
It's interesting that Trump is closing the gap IMO, even though the polls still have Biden ahead (although slightly less so than before).Pulpstar said:
You always post these odds without comment. And always when Trump has shortened, I assume you feel Biden is great value ?Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
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I think so too. I'm not going to start worrying unless the polls tighten significantly.Pulpstar said:
It's utter mince, it's the same horrendous logic that Kamala Harris backers were buying into for the Dem nomination.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
Only by cheating, so that doesn´t count. I agree with Mr Eagles that Corbyn is as untrutworthy as Cummings & Johnson, and vice versa. Dishonourable scumbags the lot of them!DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.0 -
Obviously the Lewis thing was wrong, but at least Johnson/Cummings are more open in dealing with their internal opponents, like the MPs who lost the whip and then got deselected last year. Brutal perhaps, but straightforward. Trying to secretly starve your opponents of election funding is a rather more underhand tactic.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.1 -
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
Am watching England Pakistan 20/20 match live. No close catchers, plenty of boundaries, but boring, no sense of pressure.0
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Lord knows what Trump's price would be if there was a national poll out showing him 15% ahead today. 1.2 probably.1
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There is also the feeling that the polls aren't picking up shy Trumpers or undecideds who will plum for the 'law and order' candidate at last minute.kinabalu said:
I think so too. I'm not going to start worrying unless the polls tighten significantly.Pulpstar said:
It's utter mince, it's the same horrendous logic that Kamala Harris backers were buying into for the Dem nomination.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Plus plenty of press this weekend saying the Trump convention was outrageous and shameless and yet sadly highly effective.
Trump also has a bucket of cash and a better social media operation.
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Indeed. Corbyn could have chosen to deselect those he disliked, instead.je tried to gift their seats to the Tories. What logic is there in that?Essexit said:
Obviously the Lewis thing was wrong, but at least Johnson/Cummings are more open in dealing with their internal opponents, like the MPs who lost the whip and then got deselected last year. Brutal perhaps, but straightforward. Trying to secretly starve your opponents of election funding is a rather more underhand tactic.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.0 -
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The logic is that it helps to (a) create a more ideologically pure Labour Party and (b) makes it easier to blame the right of the party for electoral defeat.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. Corbyn could have chosen to deselect those he disliked, instead.je tried to gift their seats to the Tories. What logic is there in that?Essexit said:
Obviously the Lewis thing was wrong, but at least Johnson/Cummings are more open in dealing with their internal opponents, like the MPs who lost the whip and then got deselected last year. Brutal perhaps, but straightforward. Trying to secretly starve your opponents of election funding is a rather more underhand tactic.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.0 -
How did they cheat?ClippP said:
Only by cheating, so that doesn´t count. I agree with Mr Eagles that Corbyn is as untrutworthy as Cummings & Johnson, and vice versa. Dishonourable scumbags the lot of them!DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.
I know you're a sore lower who wants to change the rules and the voting system because you're bitter that our traditional and standard system doesn't give the results you like ... But how did they cheat?0 -
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.0 -
This is pretty standard behaviour for politicians isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.
May got rid of Osborne when she got in and Gordon Brown wasn't exactly shy of getting rid of people he didn't like.0 -
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.0 -
Yes, there is an arb there except if Biden pulls out, which might be what the market is nervous about.Alistair said:
Am I wrong or is that Biden/Dem split now arable assuming a 5 percent commission?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
ETA and you can select 2% commission if you give up some bonuses on Sportsbook.0 -
One might pause for a moment to consider that, despite the fact that Theresa May transpired to be hopeless, Corbyn was so much more useless in 2017 that she would almost certainly have won the election anyway, if she hadn't over-reached and proposed charging old people for something. In which case, ironically, Corbyn would almost certainly still be Labour leader and the Far Left would be preparing for "one more heave" in 2022. So much decided by such fine margins.2
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Yep, that's Greece off the travel corridor list.Scott_xP said:0 -
They sacked them. They didn’t expel them from the party.DAlexander said:
This is pretty standard behaviour for politicians isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.
May got rid of Osborne when she got in and Gordon Brown wasn't exactly shy of getting rid of people he didn't like.
It was pure spite by the PM. Contrast it with how he defends others who break the rules - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/07/16/spotting-the-difference-what-really-matters-to-johnson-when-deciding-who-is-in-or-out/.1 -
It's really perverse to see people, including many here I normally respect thinking that riots in America under Trump are a reason to re-elect Trump.
Trump has literally spent his term in the Oval Office stoking tensions, encouraging violence and responding to atrocities and bloodshed by encouraging them and saying "there's good people on both sides".
Biden is the one calling for de-escalation and an end to the violence.
Saying that the violence Trump has encouraged is awful so therefore people should vote Trump is bizarre to say the least.0 -
Political purity was always more important to Corbyn and friends, than making the compromises necessary for winning power.Gallowgate said:
And by doing so, has zero possibility of implementing ANY of his policies. Great job.HYUFD said:Corbyn wanted a majority Labour government to push through a socialist agenda, he had zero interest in diluting that by doing deals with the LDs to stop Brexit by not putting up Labour candidates in their target seats
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Upstate & rural NY-24
Aug 23-25, 2020
B/C
GBAO*
Balter 48%
Katko 46%
Balter +2
B+
Public Opinion Strategies*
400 LV
Balter 40%
Katko 51%
Katko +11
Katko had a 5% majority in 2018 (22% in 2016), so doubt he'll lose it this election.0 -
Blimey. The odds of a dodgy flight into Cardiff, what is the probability of that? I wasn't sure there were any flights left into Rhoose, save for Schiphol and Doha.Scott_xP said:0 -
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.0 -
Maybe some people don't think that the Antifa and BLM supporters that have been rioting the last few months are actually white supremacist Trump supporters.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.0 -
F1: https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2020/08/belgium-post-race-analysis-2020.html
Safe to say this was not a classic, although interested in certain performances.0 -
Major expelled everyone who didn't vote for Maastricht. How is that any different at all to Boris expelling those who didn't vote for his deal in the last Parliament?Cyclefree said:
They sacked them. They didn’t expel them from the party.DAlexander said:
This is pretty standard behaviour for politicians isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm talking about being petulant towards people who disagree with them, for example Julian Lewis.DAlexander said:"this is the sort of behaviour you’d expect from Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings"
Not really, since those two seem pretty good at winning elections.
May got rid of Osborne when she got in and Gordon Brown wasn't exactly shy of getting rid of people he didn't like.
It was pure spite by the PM. Contrast it with how he defends others who break the rules - https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/07/16/spotting-the-difference-what-really-matters-to-johnson-when-deciding-who-is-in-or-out/.0 -
It's very butterfly effect, actually. You can make a very good argument that Brexit was caused by Blair's decision not to impose immigration caps on the A8 states in 2004, and No Deal was caused by May's decision to put the dementia tax in her 2017 manifesto. Talk about unintended consequences!Black_Rook said:One might pause for a moment to consider that, despite the fact that Theresa May transpired to be hopeless, Corbyn was so much more useless in 2017 that she would almost certainly have won the election anyway, if she hadn't over-reached and proposed charging old people for something. In which case, ironically, Corbyn would almost certainly still be Labour leader and the Far Left would be preparing for "one more heave" in 2022. So much decided by such fine margins.
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I find it quite odd that peope in Europe with no connection with polling companies think that they can predict the movement in upcoming US polls.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.081 -
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.0 -
I think he's seeking to tap into something ancient and visceral that he hopes lurks in the minds of a large number of white voters - fear of the Big Black Man.Philip_Thompson said:It's really perverse to see people, including many here I normally respect thinking that riots in America under Trump are a reason to re-elect Trump.
Trump has literally spent his term in the Oval Office stoking tensions, encouraging violence and responding to atrocities and bloodshed by encouraging them and saying "there's good people on both sides".
Biden is the one calling for de-escalation and an end to the violence.
Saying that the violence Trump has encouraged is awful so therefore people should vote Trump is bizarre to say the least.1 -
Don't Philip. I have only just escaped from him on the last thread. I'm exhausted.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.0 -
Only a brain-dead fool would think that BLM is operating in a vacuum and not responding to Police and Federal violence. Are people that stupid as to think BLM are protesting for shits and giggles? Surely not.DAlexander said:
Maybe some people don't think that the Antifa and BLM supporters that have been rioting the last few months are actually white supremacist Trump supporters.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.0 -
Yes. That's what I meant by projecting. There certainly is some of that.DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.0 -
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No recent ones AFAIK. But, yes, those polls - who do you THINK will win? - tend to be better for Trump.DAlexander said:
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
Projecting again.0 -
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.1 -
Yes I recall they were more accurate in 2016 and was hoping to see a few this time.kinabalu said:
No recent ones AFAIK. But, yes, those polls - who do you THINK will win? - tend to be better for Trump.DAlexander said:
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
Projecting again.0 -
Theresa May's dementia tax is overplayed imo and there were at least two other large factors in the 2017 election. First, parroting strong and stable is undermined by a first-week u-turn.Black_Rook said:One might pause for a moment to consider that, despite the fact that Theresa May transpired to be hopeless, Corbyn was so much more useless in 2017 that she would almost certainly have won the election anyway, if she hadn't over-reached and proposed charging old people for something. In which case, ironically, Corbyn would almost certainly still be Labour leader and the Far Left would be preparing for "one more heave" in 2022. So much decided by such fine margins.
Second, is the two terrorist attacks during the campaign, Normally, to be cynical, you'd expect law-and-order to aid the Tories and bombs to remind voters that Corbyn was the terrorists' friend but in this case the blue team was left making the implausible denial that cutting 20,000 police mattered.0 -
I mean the Federal Forces in Portland who seenwere attacking unarmed men and women, violating multiple laws, refusing to show ID as to who they were, attacking the media etc etc etcSandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
When people are protesting Police violence sending in militarised forces to beat people up is hardly going to deescalate the situation is it?
When the protests started many people here reasonably said that there wasn't a need to protest in the UK as we aren't America. They are. There is a need to protest there and it should be met with de-escalation and reform not escalating the violence that was STARTED by the Police in the first place. The BLM protests are a response to Police violence and not causing it and Trump is pouring fuel on the flames.0 -
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.1 -
Yes, I remember as a Labour supporter worrying than Heath's "Who Governs Britain?" election during the chaos of the miners' strike would be a masterstroke, but it turned out that people said "You do, but you're not doing it very well" and removed him. In general it's hard to claim that you'll be the best choice to sort out chaos if it's occurred on your watch (especially, as you say, if you are thought to have encouraged it).Philip_Thompson said:<
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?1 -
I think punters are projecting that Trump voters are NRA card carrying Klan sympathising militiamen, and Democrats are marxist Antifa BLM supporters with anarchist sympathies.
Most Americans are of course neither*. Those that want a quiet life will quietly vote for Biden I think.
* Except probably those out in Portland late at night.2 -
But Trump is president now. The riots are happening under Trump, not under Biden. At best Trump cannot stop them; at worst he is aggravating them.DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.1 -
So you don't think there is any political dimension on Trump's part to escalate tensions in areas after police brutality has been called out?Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.1 -
There will be a deal.Black_Rook said:
It's very butterfly effect, actually. You can make a very good argument that Brexit was caused by Blair's decision not to impose immigration caps on the A8 states in 2004, and No Deal was caused by May's decision to put the dementia tax in her 2017 manifesto. Talk about unintended consequences!Black_Rook said:One might pause for a moment to consider that, despite the fact that Theresa May transpired to be hopeless, Corbyn was so much more useless in 2017 that she would almost certainly have won the election anyway, if she hadn't over-reached and proposed charging old people for something. In which case, ironically, Corbyn would almost certainly still be Labour leader and the Far Left would be preparing for "one more heave" in 2022. So much decided by such fine margins.
As for what caused Brexit, yes it's fun to play that game and I suppose the ultimate, going as deep and as far back as possible, is that it was caused by Ted Heath taking us in in 1973. That was the sine qua non. Nothing lasts forever and so from that point on, Brexit was only a matter of time.0 -
OT what happened to the pb safety car bet?0
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Violence by the Police started these protests and escalating violence from the authorities has only made them worse.DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Are you aware of the concept of de-escalation?
Are you against people standing up to an authoritarian and abusive state? Normally that's considered entirely American but all concepts of liberty and states rights go out the window when you mean liberty for black people it seems.0 -
Been quite a move too. He touched 3 quite recently. 2 now.eristdoof said:
I find it quite odd that peope in Europe with no connection with polling companies think that they can predict the movement in upcoming US polls.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.080 -
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.0 -
I truly don't.Mexicanpete said:
I too have the feeling that your boy is in the ascendency.Andy_JS said:
It's interesting that Trump is closing the gap IMO, even though the polls still have Biden ahead (although slightly less so than before).Pulpstar said:
You always post these odds without comment. And always when Trump has shortened, I assume you feel Biden is great value ?Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-280098781 -
"When people are protesting Police violence sending in militarised forces to beat people up"Philip_Thompson said:
I mean the Federal Forces in Portland who seenwere attacking unarmed men and women, violating multiple laws, refusing to show ID as to who they were, attacking the media etc etc etcSandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
When people are protesting Police violence sending in militarised forces to beat people up is hardly going to deescalate the situation is it?
When the protests started many people here reasonably said that there wasn't a need to protest in the UK as we aren't America. They are. There is a need to protest there and it should be met with de-escalation and reform not escalating the violence that was STARTED by the Police in the first place. The BLM protests are a response to Police violence and not causing it and Trump is pouring fuel on the flames.
Could be Belarus or Hong Kong.1 -
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And how exactly do you propose to deal with the protests given that it is Police violence that started them and Police violence from Federal Forces that Trump sent in have only served to escalate the violence?DAlexander said:
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.
What is your solution? More violence from the Police? Or attempt de-escalation?1 -
Some of the money the SNP government spends:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18685989.secret-deal-fergusons-wiped-25m-default-payments-takeover/0 -
Protest against government violence is fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Violence by the Police started these protests and escalating violence from the authorities has only made them worse.DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Are you aware of the concept of de-escalation?
Are you against people standing up to an authoritarian and abusive state? Normally that's considered entirely American but all concepts of liberty and states rights go out the window when you mean liberty for black people it seems.
Violence, rioting, looting and arson against private businesses and homes is not and needs to be stopped.0 -
Yes, I get all that. But evens is not a rational price for him unless he gets a lot closer in the polls. It doesn't as we speak look a 50/50 race. Biden is clear fav.rottenborough said:
There is also the feeling that the polls aren't picking up shy Trumpers or undecideds who will plum for the 'law and order' candidate at last minute.kinabalu said:
I think so too. I'm not going to start worrying unless the polls tighten significantly.Pulpstar said:
It's utter mince, it's the same horrendous logic that Kamala Harris backers were buying into for the Dem nomination.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Plus plenty of press this weekend saying the Trump convention was outrageous and shameless and yet sadly highly effective.
Trump also has a bucket of cash and a better social media operation.0 -
You need go no further back than Cameron's 2015 manifesto. Osborne told him it was a stupid idea that could end his career. Add to the mix Johnson, who thought supporting Leave in a valiant defeat would raise his stock. Last but not least Corbyn whose total dereliction of duty during the referendum, due to his perverse love of state aid for failing industries, nailed the coffin shut.kinabalu said:
There will be a deal.Black_Rook said:
It's very butterfly effect, actually. You can make a very good argument that Brexit was caused by Blair's decision not to impose immigration caps on the A8 states in 2004, and No Deal was caused by May's decision to put the dementia tax in her 2017 manifesto. Talk about unintended consequences!Black_Rook said:One might pause for a moment to consider that, despite the fact that Theresa May transpired to be hopeless, Corbyn was so much more useless in 2017 that she would almost certainly have won the election anyway, if she hadn't over-reached and proposed charging old people for something. In which case, ironically, Corbyn would almost certainly still be Labour leader and the Far Left would be preparing for "one more heave" in 2022. So much decided by such fine margins.
As for what caused Brexit, yes it's fun to play that game and I suppose the ultimate, going as deep and as far back as possible, is that it was caused by Ted Heath taking us in in 1973. That was the sine qua non. Nothing lasts forever and so from that point on, Brexit was only a matter of time.2 -
Philip, I did warn you. I suggest you look at the end of the last thread, I reckon you have a lot more stamina than me but.....Philip_Thompson said:
And how exactly do you propose to deal with the protests given that it is Police violence that started them and Police violence from Federal Forces that Trump sent in have only served to escalate the violence?DAlexander said:
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.
What is your solution? More violence from the Police? Or attempt de-escalation?1 -
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DennisBets said:
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But the whole point is that they didn't. The Tories and Labour are both Unionist parties, it isn't a rude word. Labour had to be the ones to campaign because the Tories are so toxic.
The Uk media love to blow smoke up Sturgeon to highlight the obvious frailties in English politicians. The reality is the SNP are absolutely dreadful and many scottish communities have given themselves away as greedy fantasists, similar to the nice folk in Cornwall who make Billions from overpriced tourism and then thought during COVID they could tell people who owned property there they were not allowed to live there even if they had followed lockdown rules.
These places will find they have rapidly run out of friends when the phantom recession starts really feeding.
And it will all be the fault of middle class English men (yawn)
you are obviously ignorant of Scotland , just anothre arsy unionist on here who imagines they pay for Scotland. Let me burst your bubble, we don't need arsehole friends like you ripping us off and telling us we are stupid.0 -
These riots went on for months before Trump sent in the Feds, de-escalation has been tried by the local Democrat run cities and completely failed.Philip_Thompson said:
And how exactly do you propose to deal with the protests given that it is Police violence that started them and Police violence from Federal Forces that Trump sent in have only served to escalate the violence?DAlexander said:
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.
What is your solution? More violence from the Police? Or attempt de-escalation?
What is your solution? Just leave them to it?0 -
How?DAlexander said:
Protest against government violence is fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Violence by the Police started these protests and escalating violence from the authorities has only made them worse.DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Are you aware of the concept of de-escalation?
Are you against people standing up to an authoritarian and abusive state? Normally that's considered entirely American but all concepts of liberty and states rights go out the window when you mean liberty for black people it seems.
Violence, rioting, looting and arson against private businesses and homes is not and needs to be stopped.
Federal Forces have already been sent in and they have made matters worse. So what do you want? More violence or de-escalation what exactly do you want?
Federal Forces are already there. They even attacked the Mayor.0 -
I hope you are right.kinabalu said:
I truly don't.Mexicanpete said:
I too have the feeling that your boy is in the ascendency.Andy_JS said:
It's interesting that Trump is closing the gap IMO, even though the polls still have Biden ahead (although slightly less so than before).Pulpstar said:
You always post these odds without comment. And always when Trump has shortened, I assume you feel Biden is great value ?Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-280098781 -
That's not true.DAlexander said:
These riots went on for months before Trump sent in the Feds, de-escalation has been tried by the local Democrat run cities and completely failed.Philip_Thompson said:
And how exactly do you propose to deal with the protests given that it is Police violence that started them and Police violence from Federal Forces that Trump sent in have only served to escalate the violence?DAlexander said:
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.
What is your solution? More violence from the Police? Or attempt de-escalation?
What is your solution? Just leave them to it?
How about trying de-escalation tactics? How about a President who appeals for calm from all sides rather than stoking violence? How about an attempt to investigate and reform the concerns about violence?
Trump has used his federal powers and made matters worse. Time for someone else to have a go.1 -
Not speaking for DA but there is little doubt in my mind that many of the Trumpster types do not particularly wish to see an end to the rioting - they want to see some heads cracked good and proper on TV by the Feds. A lot more heads, I mean.Philip_Thompson said:
How?DAlexander said:
Protest against government violence is fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Violence by the Police started these protests and escalating violence from the authorities has only made them worse.DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Are you aware of the concept of de-escalation?
Are you against people standing up to an authoritarian and abusive state? Normally that's considered entirely American but all concepts of liberty and states rights go out the window when you mean liberty for black people it seems.
Violence, rioting, looting and arson against private businesses and homes is not and needs to be stopped.
Federal Forces have already been sent in and they have made matters worse. So what do you want? More violence or de-escalation what exactly do you want?
Federal Forces are already there. They even attacked the Mayor.1 -
unionists get ever more desperate , now quibbling about less than Boris's entertainment bill. what about 80B+ on a few miles of railtrack, 20B+ for a cross london tunnel , 200B+ on willy waving toys. How low can you stoop.CarlottaVance said:Some of the money the SNP government spends:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18685989.secret-deal-fergusons-wiped-25m-default-payments-takeover/0 -
Indeed. But the Feds have been there for months now abusing their authority and what has it done? Has it calmed things or have matters gotten worse?kinabalu said:
Not speaking for DA but there is little doubt in my mind that many of the Trumpster types do not particularly wish to see an end to the rioting - they want to see some heads cracked good and proper on TV by the Feds. A lot more heads, I mean.Philip_Thompson said:
How?DAlexander said:
Protest against government violence is fine.Philip_Thompson said:
Violence by the Police started these protests and escalating violence from the authorities has only made them worse.DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Are you aware of the concept of de-escalation?
Are you against people standing up to an authoritarian and abusive state? Normally that's considered entirely American but all concepts of liberty and states rights go out the window when you mean liberty for black people it seems.
Violence, rioting, looting and arson against private businesses and homes is not and needs to be stopped.
Federal Forces have already been sent in and they have made matters worse. So what do you want? More violence or de-escalation what exactly do you want?
Federal Forces are already there. They even attacked the Mayor.
The Feds that are there encouraging violence answer to Trump not the Mayor's Office. Trump has sent the Feds in, made matters worse and is now pointing to the violence he is encouraging.
Either POTUS can't solve this violence, in which case Biden would be no worse than Trump; or the POTUS should solve it in which case Trump has failed miserably.
Either way, it reflects awfully on the man in charge. Which is Trump.1 -
What isn't true?Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true.DAlexander said:
These riots went on for months before Trump sent in the Feds, de-escalation has been tried by the local Democrat run cities and completely failed.Philip_Thompson said:
And how exactly do you propose to deal with the protests given that it is Police violence that started them and Police violence from Federal Forces that Trump sent in have only served to escalate the violence?DAlexander said:
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.
What is your solution? More violence from the Police? Or attempt de-escalation?
What is your solution? Just leave them to it?
How about trying de-escalation tactics? How about a President who appeals for calm from all sides rather than stoking violence? How about an attempt to investigate and reform the concerns about violence?
Trump has used his federal powers and made matters worse. Time for someone else to have a go.
The riots have gone on for several months and local Democrat run cities have tried endless appeasement, which has failed. Are you saying these things haven't happened?
It's time to agree to disagree I think, we can't even agree on basic things that have clearly happened.
Has Trump sending in the Feds made things worse? Here I'm open to be persuaded, but of course at first there will be clashes until the rioters are arrested and dispersed.1 -
Last I heard SNP were in favour of HS2, in fact isn't it the policy to have HS2 extended up into Scotland rather than having it cancelled?malcolmg said:
unionists get ever more desperate , now quibbling about less than Boris's entertainment bill. what about 80B+ on a few miles of railtrack, 20B+ for a cross london tunnel , 200B+ on willy waving toys. How low can you stoop.CarlottaVance said:Some of the money the SNP government spends:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18685989.secret-deal-fergusons-wiped-25m-default-payments-takeover/
They want more spending on high speed rail, not less.0 -
No it hasn't happened since the Feds have been there for months.DAlexander said:
What isn't true?Philip_Thompson said:
That's not true.DAlexander said:
These riots went on for months before Trump sent in the Feds, de-escalation has been tried by the local Democrat run cities and completely failed.Philip_Thompson said:
And how exactly do you propose to deal with the protests given that it is Police violence that started them and Police violence from Federal Forces that Trump sent in have only served to escalate the violence?DAlexander said:
My proposal was for the police and/or government to deal with the rioters which is what I stated several times.kjh said:
I am going to regret this BUT:DAlexander said:
Yeah I don't get it. I'm copping a lot of abuse here for suggesting that people rioting and looting should be stopped rather than allowed to continue for months unopposed. I find it utterly baffling, but there we are.Sandpit said:
Do you mean the federal forces in Portland, who were defending the federal courthouse after the Antifa mob set it on fire several nights running?Philip_Thompson said:
Trump is President and has aggravated the violence by escalating it by sending in Federal Thugs to deal with a protest against Police violence. He has poured fuel on the flames rather than seek de-escalation.Sandpit said:
The riots are on the watch of Democrat mayors and governors, who have done nothing to stop them for three months.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.
How are the Mayors meant to resolve the fact that Federal Forces are abusing their authority and escalating the violence? They can't stop that.
Maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome really is a thing.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be stopped (you ought to try reading what people post and not make up your own interpretation of it).
They should however not be stopped by a bunch of vigilantes as you were proposing on the last thread.
And it would help if the president actually made some conciliatory remarks rather than egging on the vigilantes in a tweet.
Having so far refused to do that then ordinary people were left with a choice of watching their cities burning to the ground or doing something about it themselves.
What is your solution? More violence from the Police? Or attempt de-escalation?
What is your solution? Just leave them to it?
How about trying de-escalation tactics? How about a President who appeals for calm from all sides rather than stoking violence? How about an attempt to investigate and reform the concerns about violence?
Trump has used his federal powers and made matters worse. Time for someone else to have a go.
The riots have gone on for several months and local Democrat run cities have tried endless appeasement, which has failed. Are you saying these things haven't happened?
It's time to agree to disagree I think, we can't even agree on basic things that have clearly happened.
Has Trump sending in the Feds made things worse? Here I'm open to be persuaded, but of course at first there will be clashes until the rioters are arrested and dispersed.
What has Trump done in these months that has made things better?
And what has the President of the United States of America done to deescalate matters?0 -
Plus under Barnett HS2 is classed as English expenditure and the Scots get Barnett consequentials from it.ManchesterKurt said:
Last I heard SNP were in favour of HS2, in fact isn't it the policy to have HS2 extended up into Scotland rather than having it cancelled?malcolmg said:
unionists get ever more desperate , now quibbling about less than Boris's entertainment bill. what about 80B+ on a few miles of railtrack, 20B+ for a cross london tunnel , 200B+ on willy waving toys. How low can you stoop.CarlottaVance said:Some of the money the SNP government spends:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18685989.secret-deal-fergusons-wiped-25m-default-payments-takeover/
They want more spending on high speed rail, not less.
Which Malcolm 100% knows.1 -
I don't know, his majority was a mere 22 points at the last presidential election.Pulpstar said:Upstate & rural NY-24
Aug 23-25, 2020
B/C
GBAO*
Balter 48%
Katko 46%
Balter +2
B+
Public Opinion Strategies*
400 LV
Balter 40%
Katko 51%
Katko +11
Katko had a 5% majority in 2018 (22% in 2016), so doubt he'll lose it this election.0 -
Many people blame Antifa for the riots.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.2 -
Trump fanbois thinking violence on Trump's watch and with Trump's Feds involved is a reason to vote for Trump should ask themselves 2 basic questions.
- Can Trump stop the violence?
- Why hasn't he yet?
2 - Can Trump stop the violence?
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Many people watched the videos of peaceful demonstrators being tear gassed and baton rounded by unmarked federal officers and drew a different conclusion.Andy_JS said:
Many people blame Antifa for the riots.Philip_Thompson said:
When the riots are happening on Trumps watch and the riots are started by, provoked by and encouraged by white supremacist Trump supporters then why would you vote Trump because you're concerned about them?DAlexander said:
Maybe it is punters thinking that they themselves would be put off voting for the Democrats because of the riots.kinabalu said:
Couple of polls today showing a smaller lead but it's mainly ethereal right now. There does seem to be a popular view that disorder on the streets pushes people towards Trump. But I think that might be projecting - we'll see.DAlexander said:
But where has this sense come from? It doesn't seem to be reflected in any of the polls to date as far as I can see.kinabalu said:
There’s a sense afoot that Trump has the Mo. It will either be born out by the next batch of polls showing the Biden lead narrowing sharply or if not the Trump price will collapse. We await agog.DAlexander said:
Why is Trump at such short odds with Biden absolutely miles ahead in the polls?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Remarkably the reverse-premium for Trump is back and he is once again shorter than his party; the premium for Biden has increased.Andy_JS said:Biden 1.98 / 1.99
Trump 2.04 / 2.06
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/2020-us-presidential-election/usa-presidential-election-2020-betting-28009878
Biden 1.97
Dem 1.91
Trump 2.06
Rep 2.08
Are there any recent polls of the type "who do you think will win?" rather than "who would you vote for?" ?
Perhaps they would show a different trend.1 -
Both Reinoehl (The Portland/BLM shooter) and Rittenhouse (The Trump supporter/Kenosha shooter) will succesfully claim self defense in court I reckon.0
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"When the final word is written on Brexit Corbyn’s contribution will not be forgotten."
Perhaps we should set up an award for him? The Margaret Thatcher Award for Contributions to Brexit?
He'd like that.0
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