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stodge said:

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

A couple of weeks ago Trump was about 10 to win the popular vote. It's now 5.8.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.170211116

It's gone unremarked on, but Trump has definitely improved a bit in the polling - he's moved from a 9.1% national deficit a few weeks ago to a 6.4% one now. This has almost entirely happened due to a decrease in the number of DKs, with Biden's 49% remaining pretty much constant throughout.

If you take The Hill/Harris X poll, Biden's lead is just three (43-40) with 9% unsure. The crosstabs don't make a lot of senses compared to other pollsters - among White voters Trump is up 16 points (50-34). I'm not convinced.

Trump's opponents have a problem because of the way they treat him and anybody who votes or supports him as complete anathem. Some of his supporters are reluctant to talk.

The result is the dems have no way of knowing if' shy Trump' exists and to what extent. That 9% could be genuinely unsure, or they could be wall to wall shy Trump supporters.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1290787291695218690

BluestBlue said:

A 45% Tory vote share with Ipsos-Mori, and more people thought Labour was ready for government under Corbyn last November (!) than they do today under Starmer.

And yet the received wisdom is all about how wonderful Mr. Boring is and the terrrrrrrible trouble Boris and the Tories are in...

Of course.

Once again you’re creating this all in your head. You really are obsessed.

Trump’s bag of tricks comes up empty against Biden

His untamed political instincts, once treated by Republicans with an almost mystical reverence, look increasingly unlikely to stave off defeat.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-biden-bag-tricks-giuliani-391081


Help. Please make it stop. The hope is killing me.

BluestBlue said:

A 45% Tory vote share with Ipsos-Mori, and more people thought Labour was ready for government under Corbyn last November (!) than they do today under Starmer.

And yet the received wisdom is all about how wonderful Mr. Boring is and the terrrrrrrible trouble Boris and the Tories are in...

Of course.

Excuse me while I adjust my book based on your razor-sharp analysis.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8600581/The-Oxfordshire-villages-fear-Boris-Johnsons-new-planning-laws.html#comments

A measure of what Johnson is taking on.

If the lib dems pledged to fight the Johnson planning laws all they way that could be a way back into some tory constituencies.

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1291436208053268481

rottenborough said:

As predicted by peeps on here. This NRA thing has played right into his hands.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1291435765575176192

Every time it looks certain that Trump will lose, his Democratic opponents just take a massive sledgehammer to their own bollocks. They are not content with winning power and letting the rest follow, they're burning up with ideological frenzy and want to create their perfect United States of Woke right now. I'm not going to bet on this, because I could well be wrong, it happens, but it feels like they just have defeat written through them like a stick of rock.

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

As predicted by peeps on here. This NRA thing has played right into his hands.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1291435765575176192

Every time it looks certain that Trump will lose, his Democratic opponents just take a massive sledgehammer to their own bollocks. They are not content with winning power and letting the rest follow, they're burning up with ideological frenzy and want to create their perfect United States of Woke right now. I'm not going to bet on this, because I could well be wrong, it happens, but it feels like they just have defeat written through them like a stick of rock.

The NRA was in the process of blowing itself up, so it was an incredibly dumb move.

Andy_JS said:

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1291436208053268481

On the 538 and RCP numbers, it's not Biden who is dropping, but Trump who is rising. Biden has been pretty consistently on 49% +/- 1.5% for about four months, and is almost exactly on that average today.

What's happening is that some people who went Trump -> Don't Know / Won't Say, have gone back to Trump.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

malcolmg said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ydoethur said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Has this been posted

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1291386060027629568?s=09


And the Lib Dems near to crossover with the Greens

Lots of disaffected Corbynistas joining the single issue fanatics, and many centrists quietly drifting back to Labour?

To be honest if you believe the consensus on here there is no explanation for the Conservative lead but maybe this forum generally does not reflect public opinion

What consensus? This place is full of tory supporters.

Really ?

Really. How many people on here would call themselves out and out Labour supporters? Not many.

I mean I’m a Labour member and I wouldn’t call myself a Labour supporter.

Compare that to how many people on here who are out and out Conservative Party supporters.

Night and day.

Site is dripping with fanatical Tories , they have their grafters on here spending inordinate amount of hours supporting any and every atrocity as being great and denigrating everybody else. You know the ones.

I certainly know Scots Nats who are world champions at that Malc

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ydoethur said:

rcs1000 said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

ydoethur said:

Feck, he can’t even throw.

This is absurd. Even I throw better than that.

I was caned at school for throwing a cricket ball at a teacher. In truth, I couldn't throw and he wasn't watching the game he was supposed to be umpiring. Not that I bear grudges 40-odd years later.

(Come to think of it, probably every teacher to have wielded a cane in anger is dead now, or at least retired, since it was abolished 40 years ago by the lefty Thatcher government and you'd have needed to be 22 to be a teacher and probably 30 to be trusted with a stick by the 1970s.)

I know one teacher still working who started in the seventies. I’m not sure she would ever have caned anyone though.

I got beaten with a slipper in my second year of Junior school (so aged eight or nine)(, I would think.

What happened? Did you say something about Radiohead?

I was fighting with another child when the teacher came in. She was unimpressed.

ydoethur said:

rottenborough said:

“Nobody thinks Trump has a mental issue."

Rudy Giuliani

Genuine laugh out loud.

There are no tanks in Baghdad.

If Trump were shown not to be in a fit mental state, would he be able to grant a pardon to all the friends and crooks who surround him?

rottenborough said:

As predicted by peeps on here. This NRA thing has played right into his hands.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1291435765575176192

I've just laid Dems winning party down to zero

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

As predicted by peeps on here. This NRA thing has played right into his hands.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1291435765575176192

I've just laid Dems winning party down to zero

Western democracy is finished. @LadyG is right. What a sh*tshow.

ydoethur said:

MikeL said:

Can anyone explain why so many people who give a positive test can't be contacted?

Could it be because the system is flawed and those running it are incompetent?

The same people that brought us ferry contracts with no ferries?

PPE that doesn't P?

Track and Trace that can't track and won't trace...

Surely not...

Gallowgate said:

BluestBlue said:

A 45% Tory vote share with Ipsos-Mori, and more people thought Labour was ready for government under Corbyn last November (!) than they do today under Starmer.

And yet the received wisdom is all about how wonderful Mr. Boring is and the terrrrrrrible trouble Boris and the Tories are in...

Of course.

Once again you’re creating this all in your head. You really are obsessed.

Once again you've excelled yourself in tediousness. Well done!

I did say a few weeks ago that the bad news and revelations for Donald Trump are going to keep coming. Its getting into hard legal stuff now. not just stories about the guy's general shitty personage.

It is clear that investigations into his business dealings, his money and associated corruption therein have been underway for some time and there is more to come there.

The NRA issue is a potential tool for him to cry foul but who is listening? He already has his core support. More importantly Trump is not as flush with donors and the NRA is a player for the GOP and was for him in 2016.

The stories and revelations are not over yet. I reckoned a few weeks ago that the chances of the GOP looking to jettison him was around the 30% mark. Its still there but its late. Ironically the NRA issue might ensure their base is motivated when at the moment its creaking and may have a surprise stay at home element but is that base Trump's..or the GOP?.

There are a few things to watch for:
From the GOP
Keep an eye out for more stories around his health appearing within the next 4-6 weeks, its as liable to come out of his own party as anywhere

From Within the government
More leaks on poor decisions, corrupt activities, inappropriate associations and personal gain

The law
If his associates, like the NRA bosses, start getting picked off in legal cases.

Elsewhere
If there was any fear about taking him on because of his position, that dam is leaking if not outright broken and people who have stayed silent once they feel like there is less risk will start to talk. This is a wild card area because that guy has crossed a lot of people.

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

As predicted by peeps on here. This NRA thing has played right into his hands.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1291435765575176192

I've just laid Dems winning party down to zero

I thought you were in the Trump Is Toast club?

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

Horrible grammar in that headline.

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

That's what happens when institutions like the police get taken over by left-wing retards.

Stocky said:

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

As predicted by peeps on here. This NRA thing has played right into his hands.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1291435765575176192

I've just laid Dems winning party down to zero

I thought you were in the Trump Is Toast club?

I am, I like making money more.

This is a completely wildcard act. I can only see t being bad for the Dems short term and I sense a market move in my favour coming up.

Also I had greened out of this market a while ago as I am very nervous about the mail in vote being totally fucked with. I am putting no act passed Trump or the GOP.

tlg86 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

That's what happens when institutions like the police get taken over by left-wing retards.

The word “retard” is not at all acceptable to say. Who do you think you are?

"The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period."

I don't get what some of you are saying. Are they supposed to say "Oh but it's an election year and we don't want to give Trump something he can use so let's just drop it and pretend nothing happened"?

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1291464124912799744

I hope its the Guns N' Roses version.

Cyclefree said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

Horrible grammar in that headline.

Ah yes - vital not to miss the important stuff.

It is extremely silly advice to the police. They have a very long journey ahead to rinse all the stupidity out of that organisation.

However, the headline borders on nonsensical.

'Police still advised to believe alleged abuse victims automatically' would have been fine.

Unusually cold weather in Melbourne atm. I wonder if there's any connection between this and the Covid-19 situation.

https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/1290776300291010562

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

+1

Mexicanpete said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1291464124912799744

I hope its the Guns N' Roses version.

Has he stopped playing Neil's tracks yet?

rcs1000 said:

Andy_JS said:

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1291436208053268481

On the 538 and RCP numbers, it's not Biden who is dropping, but Trump who is rising. Biden has been pretty consistently on 49% +/- 1.5% for about four months, and is almost exactly on that average today.

What's happening is that some people who went Trump -> Don't Know / Won't Say, have gone back to Trump.

All those Dems who are either thinking it's all going to be fine, the nightmare is over, or even planning who will have what job in Biden's administration better wake up and get a grip.

This 'aint over by a long, long way.

CatMan said:

"The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period."

I don't get what some of you are saying. Are they supposed to say "Oh but it's an election year and we don't want to give Trump something he can use so let's just drop it and pretend nothing happened"?

Yes, probably.

This is a totemic issue. And anyway if there's been misconduct why not bring charges against the individuals, rather than trying to disband the organisation?

rcs1000 said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

ydoethur said:

Feck, he can’t even throw.

This is absurd. Even I throw better than that.

I was caned at school for throwing a cricket ball at a teacher. In truth, I couldn't throw and he wasn't watching the game he was supposed to be umpiring. Not that I bear grudges 40-odd years later.

(Come to think of it, probably every teacher to have wielded a cane in anger is dead now, or at least retired, since it was abolished 40 years ago by the lefty Thatcher government and you'd have needed to be 22 to be a teacher and probably 30 to be trusted with a stick by the 1970s.)

I know one teacher still working who started in the seventies. I’m not sure she would ever have caned anyone though.

I got beaten with a slipper in my second year of Junior school (so aged eight or nine)(, I would think.

The head at the first school I worked at told me a tale once from his own school days, back in the fifties. On a snowy day a snowball was thrown which smashed a window (as it had been wrapped round a stone. The head of that school called all the boys in to the hall and asked for the snowball thrower to own up.

When he didn’t, the entire school got the cane...

MikeL said:

Can anyone explain why so many people who give a positive test can't be contacted?

Not talking about their contacts - talking about the original person who tested positive just 24 or 48 hours earlier.

If someone dies in road accident etc, police go round to next of kin and find them. No messing around. They wait outside if necessary if person is out. I imagine they trace 99%+.

So what is going in? Person who tested positive can only have gone away in tiny fraction of cases. Given how little work contact tracers are doing, why not get them to do same job as police? If no response to call/text/email, go round in person and wait.

If you 100% have to trace somebody you can if you try hard enough.

It is the problem with physically distant phone based tracking. The council public health teams do as you suggest. If no reply they go door knocking. They also speak to the whole household rather than for example 5 different tracers trying to contact 5 different people in the same house.

rottenborough said:

All those Dems who are either thinking it's all going to be fine, the nightmare is over, or even planning who will have what job in Biden's administration better wake up and get a grip.

This ain't over by a long, long way.

No one who campaigns seriously ever thinks in those terms. Every vote is to be earned not assumed.

Oddly enough, a few less than favourable polls will give the Democratic campaign a good kick but I'm a long way from being convinced there is any kind of mass swing back toward the President.

Looking at the most recent State polling - first, Maine where a 3-point Clinton win is now a 15-point lead for Biden. ME-2, which Trump won by 10 last time, is now a dead heat with Trump up by 1 so once again that 4-6% swing we've seen in many State polls.

In South Carolina, a 14-point Trump lead in 2016 is now a 5-point Trump lead which fits nicely in the 4-6% swing range. Kentucky has seen a 30-point lead for Trump become a 9-point advantage so is Biden doing disproportionately better in states where he has no chance?

Finally, the Rasmussen Trump approval numbers are back negative (46-52) having even positive earlier in the week.

tlg86 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

That's what happens when institutions like the police get taken over by left-wing retards.

It’s not being left-wing that is the problem. It’s being stupidly sentimental, not understanding the law or knowing what is needed to carry out an investigation properly.

It’s like not knowing your A,B,C.

Time to repost these I think. Though I may as well spit into the wind, for all the good any of this will do.

https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/10/13/the-tyranny-of-low-expectations/.

https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/01/17/a-toxic-culture/.

kle4 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

Utterly ridiculous. I have never seem an explaantion for that guidance terminology which is even slightly convincing. The police have been provided with countless examples of words they could use to make very clear allegations will be treated seriously without crossing the line like that, yet they persist in it. They don't accept any criticism.

I think we know that in the past the authorities have been guilty of dismissing allegations far too easily. But rather than insist that they investigate thoroughly all claims of sexual abuse, the policy has become to put together a case for prosecution even if the evidence isn't there.

If the police announced a change in policy, the Guardian would be running a story saying that the police won't believe rape victims, etc. etc.

Mexicanpete said:

BluestBlue said:

Mexicanpete said:

BluestBlue said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Gallowgate said:

BluestBlue said:

A 45% Tory vote share with Ipsos-Mori, and more people thought Labour was ready for government under Corbyn last November (!) than they do today under Starmer.

And yet the received wisdom is all about how wonderful Mr. Boring is and the terrrrrrrible trouble Boris and the Tories are in...

Of course.

Once again you’re creating this all in your head. You really are obsessed.

Yeah, if I was a Tory I'd be out celebrating all the time and getting pissed, yet this one is always here telling us how good it's going

Whereas you keep telling us that crossover is just about to arrive and the majority is already lost...

The general consesus on thios board over the last few months is cross over will come between January and summer 2021.

But that's not the consensus of the actual person I was speaking to, is it? As for it happening in 'January to summer' of next year, Ed Miliband's Labour achieved crossover long before that point, and look how that turned out for him...

Maybe Johnson can promise an EU referendum too. It worked for Cameron.

Also, I am not sure economic armageddon was coming down the track when Ed was the challenger.

Economic armageddon is coming for the whole world (absent a globally co-ordinated pressing of the 'print' button by all the central bankers, which would be an excellent idea in these unique circumstances), but one way or another it will be over four years from now - even the Great Depression played out within that time frame.

tlg86 said:

kle4 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

Utterly ridiculous. I have never seem an explaantion for that guidance terminology which is even slightly convincing. The police have been provided with countless examples of words they could use to make very clear allegations will be treated seriously without crossing the line like that, yet they persist in it. They don't accept any criticism.

I think we know that in the past the authorities have been guilty of dismissing allegations far too easily. But rather than insist that they investigate thoroughly all claims of sexual abuse, the policy has become to put together a case for prosecution even if the evidence isn't there.

If the police announced a change in policy, the Guardian would be running a story saying that the police won't believe rape victims, etc. etc.

From my header -

“ “Any process that imposes an artificial state of mind upon an investigator is, necessarily, a flawed process. An investigator, in any reputable system of justice, must be impartial. The imposed ‘obligation to believe’ removes that impartiality.”

If the police allow sentimental beliefs, preconceived opinions and assumptions, pressure from the media or politicians to override the judgments they need to make, they are doing a profound disservice – to the victims (who need their complaints taken seriously and investigated properly, a crucially important difference to simply being believed), to the defendants (who are entitled not to be accused publicly – or at all – on the basis of opinion unsupported by any evidence), to the public’s faith in policing, to the administration of justice itself.”

Cyclefree said:

tlg86 said:

kle4 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

Utterly ridiculous. I have never seem an explaantion for that guidance terminology which is even slightly convincing. The police have been provided with countless examples of words they could use to make very clear allegations will be treated seriously without crossing the line like that, yet they persist in it. They don't accept any criticism.

I think we know that in the past the authorities have been guilty of dismissing allegations far too easily. But rather than insist that they investigate thoroughly all claims of sexual abuse, the policy has become to put together a case for prosecution even if the evidence isn't there.

If the police announced a change in policy, the Guardian would be running a story saying that the police won't believe rape victims, etc. etc.

From my header -

“ “Any process that imposes an artificial state of mind upon an investigator is, necessarily, a flawed process. An investigator, in any reputable system of justice, must be impartial. The imposed ‘obligation to believe’ removes that impartiality.”

If the police allow sentimental beliefs, preconceived opinions and assumptions, pressure from the media or politicians to override the judgments they need to make, they are doing a profound disservice – to the victims (who need their complaints taken seriously and investigated properly, a crucially important difference to simply being believed), to the defendants (who are entitled not to be accused publicly – or at all – on the basis of opinion unsupported by any evidence), to the public’s faith in policing, to the administration of justice itself.”

It's not rocket science, is it? That's why I think it is ideological.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1291475065431830528

In a word: 'nope'.

BluestBlue said:

Mexicanpete said:

BluestBlue said:

Mexicanpete said:

BluestBlue said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Gallowgate said:

BluestBlue said:

A 45% Tory vote share with Ipsos-Mori, and more people thought Labour was ready for government under Corbyn last November (!) than they do today under Starmer.

And yet the received wisdom is all about how wonderful Mr. Boring is and the terrrrrrrible trouble Boris and the Tories are in...

Of course.

Once again you’re creating this all in your head. You really are obsessed.

Yeah, if I was a Tory I'd be out celebrating all the time and getting pissed, yet this one is always here telling us how good it's going

Whereas you keep telling us that crossover is just about to arrive and the majority is already lost...

The general consesus on thios board over the last few months is cross over will come between January and summer 2021.

But that's not the consensus of the actual person I was speaking to, is it? As for it happening in 'January to summer' of next year, Ed Miliband's Labour achieved crossover long before that point, and look how that turned out for him...

Maybe Johnson can promise an EU referendum too. It worked for Cameron.

Also, I am not sure economic armageddon was coming down the track when Ed was the challenger.

Economic armageddon is coming for the whole world (absent a globally co-ordinated pressing of the 'print' button by all the central bankers, which would be an excellent idea in these unique circumstances), but one way or another it will be over four years from now - even the Great Depression played out within that time frame.

You may well be right, although colour me unconvinced.

In a time of massive economic upheaval incumbency is most likely a significant disadvantage.

Good luck with the idea that four years will be enough to see us back to economic equilibrium.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1291475065431830528

It could be quite an important incentive, nonetheless.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1291476675331596291

How to survive the heatwave.

Live in Yorkshire.

tlg86 said:

kle4 said:

Cyclefree said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599005/Police-advised-automatically-believe-alleged-abuse-victims-guidelines-despite-warnings.html

How utterly depressing.

And as predicted by me.

Lessons will be learnt, my arse!

What a third-rate incompetent little country we have become.

Utterly ridiculous. I have never seem an explaantion for that guidance terminology which is even slightly convincing. The police have been provided with countless examples of words they could use to make very clear allegations will be treated seriously without crossing the line like that, yet they persist in it. They don't accept any criticism.

I think we know that in the past the authorities have been guilty of dismissing allegations far too easily. But rather than insist that they investigate thoroughly all claims of sexual abuse, the policy has become to put together a case for prosecution even if the evidence isn't there.

If the police announced a change in policy, the Guardian would be running a story saying that the police won't believe rape victims, etc. etc.

I'm sure they would, but since what is happening instead is not a solution, and in fact is detrimental to justice, the authorities should have the sense and fortitude to put up with it. It's far far too important to let stand.

rcs1000 said:

BluestBlue said:

Mexicanpete said:

BluestBlue said:

Mexicanpete said:

BluestBlue said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Gallowgate said:

BluestBlue said:

A 45% Tory vote share with Ipsos-Mori, and more people thought Labour was ready for government under Corbyn last November (!) than they do today under Starmer.

And yet the received wisdom is all about how wonderful Mr. Boring is and the terrrrrrrible trouble Boris and the Tories are in...

Of course.

Once again you’re creating this all in your head. You really are obsessed.

Yeah, if I was a Tory I'd be out celebrating all the time and getting pissed, yet this one is always here telling us how good it's going

Whereas you keep telling us that crossover is just about to arrive and the majority is already lost...

The general consesus on thios board over the last few months is cross over will come between January and summer 2021.

But that's not the consensus of the actual person I was speaking to, is it? As for it happening in 'January to summer' of next year, Ed Miliband's Labour achieved crossover long before that point, and look how that turned out for him...

Maybe Johnson can promise an EU referendum too. It worked for Cameron.

Also, I am not sure economic armageddon was coming down the track when Ed was the challenger.

Economic armageddon is coming for the whole world (absent a globally co-ordinated pressing of the 'print' button by all the central bankers, which would be an excellent idea in these unique circumstances), but one way or another it will be over four years from now - even the Great Depression played out within that time frame.

UK exports were $5.7bn in 1925. They only surpassed that level again in 1948 - that's 23 years later. So, sure, the Great Depression may have ended and growth resumed, but people didn't feel comfortable again for a long, long time.

And there was a bloody great World War in the meanwhile.

ydoethur said:

rottenborough said:

“Nobody thinks Trump has a mental issue."

Rudy Giuliani

Genuine laugh out loud.

There are no tanks in Baghdad.

Rudy’s on a train to nowhere.

CatMan said:

"The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period."

I don't get what some of you are saying. Are they supposed to say "Oh but it's an election year and we don't want to give Trump something he can use so let's just drop it and pretend nothing happened"?

Agreed.
Are we really at the point where people are afraid to enforce the law because it might wind up a few Republican voters ?

Nigelb said:

CatMan said:

"The Attorney General of New York took action today to dissolve the National Rifle Association, following an 18-month investigation that found evidence the powerful gun rights group is "fraught with fraud and abuse."

Attorney General Letitia James claims in a lawsuit filed Thursday that she found financial misconduct in the millions of dollars, and that it contributed to a loss of more than $64 million over a three year period."

I don't get what some of you are saying. Are they supposed to say "Oh but it's an election year and we don't want to give Trump something he can use so let's just drop it and pretend nothing happened"?

Agreed.
Are we really at the point where people are afraid to enforce the law because it might wind up a few Republican voters ?

I don't think they should halt legal proceedings because it is an election year. I'm just worried that it will help Trump. If that is so, it's almost a shame the investigation wasn't longer.

It is what is is, but it will be intensely political and we can only hope it doesn't help Trump as much as some fear.

Maybe the CPS should seek to disband Arsenal FC for paying Mesut Ozil £350,000 a week.

https://twitter.com/feliciasonmez/status/1291430774273605632

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