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One of the most remarkable stories since Johnson became CON leader and PM a year ago has been the rise and rise of Rishi Sunak who just a year ago was parliamentary secretary for local government. Now he’s favourite to succeed Johnson as CON leader and second favourite behind Starmer of becoming the next PM.
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Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.0
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I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
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Same organ, different grinder.0
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OT I just noticed this on the Q2 results transcript call for Snap, which was held yesterday
"Additionally, following the murders of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor, "
Err, isn't that prejudicing the trial / slander?0 -
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.2 -
“It is good to develop the habit of not treating your moods, preferences and impulses as cosmic imperatives which cannot be challenged or gainsaid. For me to keep my feelings to myself is a decision not to treat the world merely as a stage for my own personal drama. It is a blow against the mentality where everyone else is a supporting character in the Story Of Me. And in the age of social media, that doesn’t sound so bad.”
https://twitter.com/edwest/status/1285856216787361795?s=211 -
It's starting to feel like Mike is looking to cash in on Sunak being the next minister out of the cabinet, and is evermore increasingly annoyed that nobody in No.10 seems to read the site.1
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I hope we wont end up with an administration that is marooned because Sunak is destabilising Boris like Brown was with Blair.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.0 -
The trouble with Sunak is that there's a lot of good news behind him, and a lot a bad news in front of him.
Patel not gifted enough and Gove tainted. But there's one clever fellow winning plaudits for his stance on China and Russia.
Could 2024 be a legal borathon between two lawyers, Sir Keir Starmer and.....Dominic Raab?0 -
As far as I am aware no. They were murdered.MrEd said:OT I just noticed this on the Q2 results transcript call for Snap, which was held yesterday
"Additionally, following the murders of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor, "
Err, isn't that prejudicing the trial / slander?
The people who killed them may not be convicted for murder but that's never stopped murder victims from being referred to as having been murdered before or during the trial before.
When you're talking about the accused it is "accused murderer" but when you're talking about the victim there is no 'innocent until proven guilty' requirement for the murder victim.2 -
I don't see him going until he loses a GE and given an 80 seat start he'd have to perform pretty badly to do so at the next one up.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
Give the lad credit though; he's trying.0 -
The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
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'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl1 -
Is this statistical jiggerypokery?
https://twitter.com/frankfurtzack/status/1282030657062002690?s=210 -
The key though is not Sunak v Johnson as best PM but Sunak v Starmer as there is only a point changing Tory leader if it increases the Tory voteshare.
On that basis Sunak leads Starmer as preferred PM 44% to 34% which is less than the 48% to 33% Johnson leads Starmer by.
That is because Johnson does better with Tory and Labour voters relative to Sunak v Starmer, Sunak only doing better than Johnson with LD voters like OGH
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-15-july/0 -
That victory was against Corbyn who at GE2019 had the worst approval rating by an opposition leader ever.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
Now Johnson is trailing Stamer on that measure by 20+%.1 -
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl0 -
Away from the Sunak campaign, the PB Fantasy League is coming to a nail-biting conclusion... 4 in with a chance of top spot.
Belated congrats to Liverpool and their fans. Thoroughly deserved title obv.
Starmer is positioned really well to compare/contrast vs Corbyn as we're seeing now on national security. His being in the shad cabinet under Corbyn is presumably a bit of a weakness but likely not to matter.
Spurs may be winning but the 'style' is not welcome. Jose needs WHL to be left empty for it to work.
Boris is what he's always been.....
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Mainly because Starmer doesn't have many net negatives as it stands, which isn't exceptionally unusual for a new leader.MikeSmithson said:
That victory was against Corbyn who at GE2019 had the worst approval rating by an opposition leader ever.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
Now Johnson is trailing Stamer on that measure by 20+%.
Johnson himself is still as strong independently now as he was then.0 -
@Scrapheap_as_was - I'd forgotten about fantasy football, I captained Sterling!
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Starmer did well-ish today.
Johnson's attacks are Starmer flip flopping (when?) and Corbyn being bad. Not sure either is very effective.
Starmer has Johnson as a chancer and somebody that only looks out for himself. That can be very effective given time0 -
'You on the register of spies, mate? Yeah? Carry on then.'
https://twitter.com/youwouldknow/status/1285902398909636609?s=200 -
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950
This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot0 -
Corbyn's statement is a bit of an own goal to be honest. It just puts more space between him and Starmer which can only be a good thing for Keir1
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Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS branch or call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.
Edit - RBS is still being retained for the existing branch network/cards/business.0 -
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So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
The investment bank recently ditched the RBS name for Natwest Markets.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
Johnson will be a liability in 2024, never mind 2029. And the big weakness in your argument about Sunak as his replacement is your assumption that the Chancellor of the E's current popularity will survive the economic tsunami to come. Changing an unpopular leader only works when it's seen as a change of direction. If Johnson's eventual unpopularity comes about on the back of economic failures, putting the Chancellor in charge won't work.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
The parallel is I think with Anthony Barber, someone initially seen as integral to the Heath government's initial popularity as expansionary policies were followed, only to be seen as the architect of the retrenchment that eventually followed. Barber wouldn't have saved the Conservatives in 1974.3 -
Great clip there Horse. Boris is spot on there and hits the nail on the head.0
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That's just a return to form, used to be County Natwest and Greenwich Natwest.contrarian said:
The investment bank recently ditched the RBS name for Natwest Markets.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
You're assuming there's going to be an economic tsunami. You're assuming economic failure.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Johnson will be a liability in 2024, never mind 2029. And the big weakness in your argument about Sunak as his replacement is your assumption that the Chancellor of the E's current popularity will survive the economic tsunami to come. Changing an unpopular leader only works when it's seen as a change of direction. If Johnson's eventual unpopularity comes about on the back of economic failures, putting the Chancellor in charge won't work.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
The parallel is I think with Anthony Barber, someone initially seen as integral to the Heath government's initial popularity as expansionary policies were followed, only to be seen as the architect of the retrenchment that eventually followed. Barber wouldn't have saved the Conservatives in 1974.
If the government guides the country through COVID, through the end of transition and there is post vaccine from 2021 onwards a boom in the UK economy . . . then Boris will deserve a second majority victory and Sunak will be well placed to replace him when the Tories look for a sixth election victory in a row in 2029.1 -
The whole RBS/NatWest thing goes back to the original takeover by RBS of NatWest.
NatWest was much bigger than RBS but some it got gobbled up, and they went to make it the RBS Group.0 -
Just do a Liverpool/Coutinho, sell Kane and fund some world class acquisitions.Scrapheap_as_was said:Away from the Sunak campaign, the PB Fantasy League is coming to a nail-biting conclusion... 4 in with a chance of top spot.
Belated congrats to Liverpool and their fans. Thoroughly deserved title obv.
Starmer is positioned really well to compare/contrast vs Corbyn as we're seeing now on national security. His being in the shad cabinet under Corbyn is presumably a bit of a weakness but likely not to matter.
Spurs may be winning but the 'style' is not welcome. Jose needs WHL to be left empty for it to work.
Boris is what he's always been.....0 -
Didn;t Fred the shred mastermind that one?TheScreamingEagles said:The whole RBS/NatWest thing goes back to the original takeover by RBS of NatWest.
NatWest was much bigger than RBS but some it got gobbled up, and they went to make it the RBS Group.
Then he went around the market trying to buy up every takeover target in sight, with disastrous results?0 -
Yes, that is indeed what I am assuming. And I think my assumptions are going to be closer to the eventual reality than your very rosy ones.Philip_Thompson said:
You're assuming there's going to be an economic tsunami. You're assuming economic failure.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Johnson will be a liability in 2024, never mind 2029. And the big weakness in your argument about Sunak as his replacement is your assumption that the Chancellor of the E's current popularity will survive the economic tsunami to come. Changing an unpopular leader only works when it's seen as a change of direction. If Johnson's eventual unpopularity comes about on the back of economic failures, putting the Chancellor in charge won't work.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
The parallel is I think with Anthony Barber, someone initially seen as integral to the Heath government's initial popularity as expansionary policies were followed, only to be seen as the architect of the retrenchment that eventually followed. Barber wouldn't have saved the Conservatives in 1974.
If the government guides the country through COVID, through the end of transition and there is post vaccine from 2021 onwards a boom in the UK economy . . . then Boris will deserve a second majority victory and Sunak will be well placed to replace him when the Tories look for a sixth election victory in a row in 2029.1 -
Clue's in the name. See Hong Kong & Shanghai Banking Corporation similarly. Weren't they also heading back to the folks from whence they came?Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
Indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
Just 10 deaths in English hospitals today so probably 300 in all settings0
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Nope, that was before his time.contrarian said:
Didn;t Fred the shred mastermind that one?TheScreamingEagles said:The whole RBS/NatWest thing goes back to the original takeover by RBS of NatWest.
NatWest was much bigger than RBS but some it got gobbled up, and they went to make it the RBS Group.
Then he went around the market trying to buy up every takeover target in sight, with disastrous results?
Edit - Well he was there, but it was mostly down to the then CEO Sir George Matthewson.0 -
Westminster by name, Westminster by nature.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
To be clear I think there's going to be a very deep recession this year, awfully bad. But going forward that sets a low baseline that will permit booming growth as the economy gets rebuilt. Similar to the 1920s for 1918 pandemic and WWI and also similar to the boom times that followed WWII. Devastation leaves behind potential for booming growth afterwards.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Yes, that is indeed what I am assuming. And I think my assumptions are going to be closer to the eventual reality than your very rosy ones.Philip_Thompson said:
You're assuming there's going to be an economic tsunami. You're assuming economic failure.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Johnson will be a liability in 2024, never mind 2029. And the big weakness in your argument about Sunak as his replacement is your assumption that the Chancellor of the E's current popularity will survive the economic tsunami to come. Changing an unpopular leader only works when it's seen as a change of direction. If Johnson's eventual unpopularity comes about on the back of economic failures, putting the Chancellor in charge won't work.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
The parallel is I think with Anthony Barber, someone initially seen as integral to the Heath government's initial popularity as expansionary policies were followed, only to be seen as the architect of the retrenchment that eventually followed. Barber wouldn't have saved the Conservatives in 1974.
If the government guides the country through COVID, through the end of transition and there is post vaccine from 2021 onwards a boom in the UK economy . . . then Boris will deserve a second majority victory and Sunak will be well placed to replace him when the Tories look for a sixth election victory in a row in 2029.
But having said that, would you say that if I am right and you are wrong and the economy is booming by 2024 then Boris and Sunak would deserve kudos and maybe another election victory?1 -
Just had a flash from the Express, "Boris shames Starmer over Russia". I take it Starmer had another mare. And it all started so well.
Philip Thompson may be right about Johnson's tenure reaching the end of the decade.1 -
I remember SLAB once arguing against changing the income tax rates in Scotland because "people like Fred Goodwin might move south of the border". If only.Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl1 -
Well I strongly suggested that the National and Westminster brands were too plebian, and we should have gone for the Coutts Group instead of the the NatWest group.williamglenn said:
Westminster by name, Westminster by nature.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.
Coutts are wonderful.0 -
And National. And Provincial.williamglenn said:
Westminster by name, Westminster by nature.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.0 -
NHS Hospital numbers out
Headline - 10 - another low
Last 7 days - 10
Yesterday - 3
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Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.0 -
Is that luck?TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amaro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
I'm assuming Barclays missed out because they determined ABN Amro was not worth the price that RBS valued it at when they bought it?0 -
The user in question completely missed the point of my Tweet above, where not only did the TORY MP in question get Starmer's previous role wrong (he was never deputy leader), he said Starmer never called out Russia, when he was on QT backing the PM (see the comments for the video).Mexicanpete said:Just had a flash from the Express, "Boris shames Starmer over Russia". I take it Starmer had another mare. And it all started so well.
Philip Thompson may be right about Johnson's tenure reaching the end of the decade.
Of course the Tory bots here will just back Johnson even if he was literally caught f-ing a pig (haha) so there you go0 -
Its probably about 12-18 months until it relocates to London and spins out it's Scottish bank into a new company under the RBS brand. It's the beginning of a demerger, the London based management are asserting themselves, as you say it's responsible for 80% of the group's revenue. The last vestiges of the financial crash will have been dealt with once that happens.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS branch or call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.
Edit - RBS is still being retained for the existing branch network/cards/business.0 -
NatWest are not!TheScreamingEagles said:
Well I strongly suggested that the National and Westminster brands were too plebian, and we should have gone for the Coutts Group instead of the the NatWest group.williamglenn said:
Westminster by name, Westminster by nature.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.
Coutts are wonderful.0 -
There's no doubt Sunak is a greater threat than Starmer to Boris1
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Actually, Barclays looked at ABN Amaro. They decided it was over priced and walked away. For which they were roundly criticised at the time IIRC.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amaro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
Sometimes luck is actually due diligence.2 -
RBS isn't very good at demerging, as the sell off the RBS Branches in England/NatWest branches in Scotland to Santander and Co-Op* prove, and don't even get me started on Williams & Glyn spin off.MaxPB said:
Its probably about 12-18 months until it relocates to London and spins out it's Scottish bank into a new company under the RBS brand. It's the beginning of a demerger, the London based management are asserting themselves, as you say it's responsible for 80% of the group's revenue. The last vestiges of the financial crash will have been dealt with once that happens.TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS branch or call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.
Edit - RBS is still being retained for the existing branch network/cards/business.
*Although we could blame the Crystal Methodist for that one.0 -
I am on lunch, I didn't hear PMQs. I just got the Express headline pinged through on Google updates.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The user in question completely missed the point of my Tweet above, where not only did the TORY MP in question get Starmer's previous role wrong (he was never deputy leader), he said Starmer never called out Russia, when he was on QT backing the PM (see the comments for the video).Mexicanpete said:Just had a flash from the Express, "Boris shames Starmer over Russia". I take it Starmer had another mare. And it all started so well.
Philip Thompson may be right about Johnson's tenure reaching the end of the decade.
Of course the Tory bots here will just back Johnson even if he was literally caught f-ing a pig (haha) so there you go
They were implying Johnson humiliated Starmer. Anyway back to work.1 -
IIRC ABN Amro withdrew support for the support for the deal rather than Barclays walking away first.Malmesbury said:
Actually, Barclays looked at ABN Amaro. They decided it was over priced and walked away. For which they were roundly criticised at the time IIRC.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amaro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
Sometimes luck is actually due diligence.0 -
I'm not making any claims about polling moves. But it is not sophistry.MaxPB said:
More letter writing sophistry. Expect the Tory poll lead to go up.CorrectHorseBattery said:
PM says not going back to austerity.
Chancellor says we're going back to austerity.
One of them is lying / not in possession of the facts0 -
If i remember rightly Barclays did actually bid for ABN before RBS did, but Fred piled in with a higher bid.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
And then Bob Diamond refused a higher counter...??0 -
The Barclays deal was all-share as well, so it wouldn't have been the same level of carnage, though they would need bailing out by the UK and Netherlands governments, just to a lesser extent than RBS needed bailiang out.Malmesbury said:
Actually, Barclays looked at ABN Amaro. They decided it was over priced and walked away. For which they were roundly criticised at the time IIRC.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amaro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
Sometimes luck is actually due diligence.0 -
Only because they chose to pay huge quantities of money, fail to do any due diligence and get terrible terms (they lost out on a lot of the talent in the deal).TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
Goodwin was an utter certin. The videos of the investor calls before and after the acquisition are toe curlingly awful.0 -
I believe that is right - Barclay refused to get in a bidding war. IIRC there was some scuttlebutt stuff that they were regretting their original offer.contrarian said:
If i remember rightly Barclays did actually bid for ABN before RBS did, but Fred piled in with a higher bid.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
And then Bob Diamond refused a higher counter...??0 -
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Popcorn timeScott_xP said:1 -
I said it was a controversial opinion.Alistair said:
Only because they chose to pay huge quantities of money, fail to do any due diligence and get terrible terms (they lost out on a lot of the talent in the deal).TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
Goodwin was an utter certin. The videos of the investor calls before and after the acquisition are toe curlingly awful.
I mean at the time people thought it was RBS who had got lucky with the deal, there was some enthusiastic backers of the deal, IIRC Alex Salmond did some cringeworthy support of the deal, although I can forgive him as he was an ex RBS employee.0 -
To a certain extent. Fred was a bit of good luck (ie no GFC) away from a stonking deal which would have made him a hero.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
His error/hubris was to persevere at the same bid price when the sector had rerated down by half.0 -
I haven't logged in since Xmas but I suspect I am last like my beloved CanariesScrapheap_as_was said:Away from the Sunak campaign, the PB Fantasy League is coming to a nail-biting conclusion... 4 in with a chance of top spot.
Belated congrats to Liverpool and their fans. Thoroughly deserved title obv.
Starmer is positioned really well to compare/contrast vs Corbyn as we're seeing now on national security. His being in the shad cabinet under Corbyn is presumably a bit of a weakness but likely not to matter.
Spurs may be winning but the 'style' is not welcome. Jose needs WHL to be left empty for it to work.
Boris is what he's always been.....0 -
Nope, last is some chap called Aaron Bell, anyone know what happened to him?TheWhiteRabbit said:
I haven't logged in since Xmas but I suspect I am last like my beloved CanariesScrapheap_as_was said:Away from the Sunak campaign, the PB Fantasy League is coming to a nail-biting conclusion... 4 in with a chance of top spot.
Belated congrats to Liverpool and their fans. Thoroughly deserved title obv.
Starmer is positioned really well to compare/contrast vs Corbyn as we're seeing now on national security. His being in the shad cabinet under Corbyn is presumably a bit of a weakness but likely not to matter.
Spurs may be winning but the 'style' is not welcome. Jose needs WHL to be left empty for it to work.
Boris is what he's always been.....0 -
It's the Express. Most pro Boris & Brexit paper of the lot.Mexicanpete said:
I am on lunch, I didn't hear PMQs. I just got the Express headline pinged through on Google updates.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The user in question completely missed the point of my Tweet above, where not only did the TORY MP in question get Starmer's previous role wrong (he was never deputy leader), he said Starmer never called out Russia, when he was on QT backing the PM (see the comments for the video).Mexicanpete said:Just had a flash from the Express, "Boris shames Starmer over Russia". I take it Starmer had another mare. And it all started so well.
Philip Thompson may be right about Johnson's tenure reaching the end of the decade.
Of course the Tory bots here will just back Johnson even if he was literally caught f-ing a pig (haha) so there you go
They were implying Johnson humiliated Starmer. Anyway back to work.1 -
Not controversial with me. Although I prefer to express it as Bob Diamond got lucky. This works better since it avoids warm sentiments about either of these blinkered egocentric fools.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.1 -
Somebody pass him a Tissue, but given how the last 12 months have gone for if the Price for that is being last I'm sure he'll survive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, last is some chap called Aaron Bell, anyone know what happened to him?TheWhiteRabbit said:
I haven't logged in since Xmas but I suspect I am last like my beloved CanariesScrapheap_as_was said:Away from the Sunak campaign, the PB Fantasy League is coming to a nail-biting conclusion... 4 in with a chance of top spot.
Belated congrats to Liverpool and their fans. Thoroughly deserved title obv.
Starmer is positioned really well to compare/contrast vs Corbyn as we're seeing now on national security. His being in the shad cabinet under Corbyn is presumably a bit of a weakness but likely not to matter.
Spurs may be winning but the 'style' is not welcome. Jose needs WHL to be left empty for it to work.
Boris is what he's always been.....
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Or each is using a different definition of austerity.RochdalePioneers said:
I'm not making any claims about polling moves. But it is not sophistry.MaxPB said:
More letter writing sophistry. Expect the Tory poll lead to go up.CorrectHorseBattery said:
PM says not going back to austerity.
Chancellor says we're going back to austerity.
One of them is lying / not in possession of the facts
Edit: or more to the point, the PM’s definition of austerity does not match yours. I can’t see where the Chancellor has called what he is doing austerity.0 -
It's a bold play, trying to blur the lines between Cameron/May and Johnson and draw a line between himself and Corbyn in the same PMQs.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950
This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot3 -
And making it a cash deal. At least the original Barclays deal was all shares and was contingent on generating $20bn in cash from selling LaSalle.TOPPING said:
To a certain extent. Fred was a bit of good luck (ie no GFC) away from a stonking deal which would have made him a hero.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
His error/hubris was to persevere at the same bid price when the sector had rerated down by half.0 -
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https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/corbyn-milne-and-formby-attempt-to-stop-labour-apology-1.501779
I see that Corbyn is continuing with his classic strategy -
1) When in a hole...
2) ...Borrow Bagger 288 and really go for it.0 -
But you'd think he could make the occasional visit here after all we've done for him.Philip_Thompson said:
Somebody pass him a Tissue, but given how the last 12 months have gone for if the Price for that is being last I'm sure he'll survive.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nope, last is some chap called Aaron Bell, anyone know what happened to him?TheWhiteRabbit said:
I haven't logged in since Xmas but I suspect I am last like my beloved CanariesScrapheap_as_was said:Away from the Sunak campaign, the PB Fantasy League is coming to a nail-biting conclusion... 4 in with a chance of top spot.
Belated congrats to Liverpool and their fans. Thoroughly deserved title obv.
Starmer is positioned really well to compare/contrast vs Corbyn as we're seeing now on national security. His being in the shad cabinet under Corbyn is presumably a bit of a weakness but likely not to matter.
Spurs may be winning but the 'style' is not welcome. Jose needs WHL to be left empty for it to work.
Boris is what he's always been.....1 -
YepMaxPB said:
And making it a cash deal. At least the original Barclays deal was all shares and was contingent on generating $20bn in cash from selling LaSalle.TOPPING said:
To a certain extent. Fred was a bit of good luck (ie no GFC) away from a stonking deal which would have made him a hero.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
His error/hubris was to persevere at the same bid price when the sector had rerated down by half.0 -
No return to Os-terityFysics_Teacher said:Or each is using a different definition of austerity.
This is Bos-terity instead.
It's like Os-terity, but has a Union flag painted on it. And costs a lot more...0 -
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Once again BoZo dithers, while Starmer acts.0
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Brexit will cost money, Covid-19 will cost money, so expecting a boom is deluded.Philip_Thompson said:
You're assuming there's going to be an economic tsunami. You're assuming economic failure.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Johnson will be a liability in 2024, never mind 2029. And the big weakness in your argument about Sunak as his replacement is your assumption that the Chancellor of the E's current popularity will survive the economic tsunami to come. Changing an unpopular leader only works when it's seen as a change of direction. If Johnson's eventual unpopularity comes about on the back of economic failures, putting the Chancellor in charge won't work.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
The parallel is I think with Anthony Barber, someone initially seen as integral to the Heath government's initial popularity as expansionary policies were followed, only to be seen as the architect of the retrenchment that eventually followed. Barber wouldn't have saved the Conservatives in 1974.
If the government guides the country through COVID, through the end of transition and there is post vaccine from 2021 onwards a boom in the UK economy . . . then Boris will deserve a second majority victory and Sunak will be well placed to replace him when the Tories look for a sixth election victory in a row in 2029.1 -
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The Chancellor never said we're going back to austerity. The Chancellor said and was quoted by Dodds as saying that the Treasury would need "restraint".RochdalePioneers said:
I'm not making any claims about polling moves. But it is not sophistry.MaxPB said:
More letter writing sophistry. Expect the Tory poll lead to go up.CorrectHorseBattery said:
PM says not going back to austerity.
Chancellor says we're going back to austerity.
One of them is lying / not in possession of the facts
Jeez, if you're saying "restraint" is austerity then I hope Labour never get back in power. A lack of restraint by Brown is what made a decade of austerity necessary to recover from his largesse!0 -
And WWI didn't cost money? The Spanish Flu didn't cost money? WWII didn't cost money? They were both followed by two of the biggest booms this country has ever seen.logical_song said:
Brexit will cost money, Covid-19 will cost money, so expecting a boom is deluded.Philip_Thompson said:
You're assuming there's going to be an economic tsunami. You're assuming economic failure.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Johnson will be a liability in 2024, never mind 2029. And the big weakness in your argument about Sunak as his replacement is your assumption that the Chancellor of the E's current popularity will survive the economic tsunami to come. Changing an unpopular leader only works when it's seen as a change of direction. If Johnson's eventual unpopularity comes about on the back of economic failures, putting the Chancellor in charge won't work.Philip_Thompson said:
He won an 80 seat majority, still leads in the polls and on favourability ratings is polling the same now as he was before the election last year.MikeSmithson said:
I don't think the party will let him continue as long as thatPhilip_Thompson said:Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.
The party will defenestrate failing leaders but it took years to get rid of even Theresa May. Johnson is no May. Two terms is a good length of time for a PM, 2028 gives Sunak a year to be in charge before the 2029 General Election.
The parallel is I think with Anthony Barber, someone initially seen as integral to the Heath government's initial popularity as expansionary policies were followed, only to be seen as the architect of the retrenchment that eventually followed. Barber wouldn't have saved the Conservatives in 1974.
If the government guides the country through COVID, through the end of transition and there is post vaccine from 2021 onwards a boom in the UK economy . . . then Boris will deserve a second majority victory and Sunak will be well placed to replace him when the Tories look for a sixth election victory in a row in 2029.0 -
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Does the SNP all of a sudden have a ''Russia problem?''Scott_xP said:
There's something in the Speccie about Scottish Independence being something Putin wants.0 -
The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten yearsCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950
This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot2 -
Just so.Carnyx said:
'Nicola Sturgeon has led condemnation of Alex Salmond, her predecessor as Scotland’s first minister, over his decision to host a chat show on a TV channel backed by the Kremlin.'
https://twitter.com/LloydAMelville/status/1285934322713874432?s=20
One wonders whether Team SKS are just displaying the standard Lab ignorance & lack of interest in matters Scotch or if they thought they'd just get the dig in anyway and hope no one notices.2 -
Mr Divvie - if they thought the SNP and its supporters would simply sit back as they get attacked and not notice and not respond then they're dimmer than they look.
Mr Forensic strikes again!0 -
Probably more to do with thisTheuniondivvie said:One wonders whether Team SKS are just displaying the standard Lab ignorance & lack of interest in matters Scotch or if they thought they'd just get the dig in anyway and hope no one notices.
https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1285540365869748224
...apart from Alex, who not only led the movement and the party, but shills on TV0 -
Yesterday was a 0.Malmesbury said:NHS Hospital numbers out
Headline - 10 - another low
Last 7 days - 10
Yesterday - 3
3 deaths each for 20/7 and 19/7.0 -
By contrast Starmer was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet right until the end, and even put one of Corbyn's lieutenants in his own shadow cabinet - though she gave him a nice opportunity to remove her.isam said:
The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten yearsCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950
This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot2 -
The question is whether they have improved over Mr Corbyn - remember his lecturing a Scottish audience on the need to renationalise water, do something about the bedroom tax, etc.Theuniondivvie said:
Just so.Carnyx said:
'Nicola Sturgeon has led condemnation of Alex Salmond, her predecessor as Scotland’s first minister, over his decision to host a chat show on a TV channel backed by the Kremlin.'
https://twitter.com/LloydAMelville/status/1285934322713874432?s=20
One wonders whether Team SKS are just displaying the standard Lab ignorance & lack of interest in matters Scotch or if they thought they'd just get the dig in anyway and hope no one notices.0 -
It was a shite deal sans crash. They got the asset book but didn't get a whole pile of the staff.TOPPING said:
To a certain extent. Fred was a bit of good luck (ie no GFC) away from a stonking deal which would have made him a hero.TheScreamingEagles said:Controversial opinion which I'm going to leave here, Fred Goodwin was unlucky, Barclays also went for ABN Amro, Barclays got 'lucky' and missed out on the deal that ultimately sent RBS mammary glands up.
We'd be all detesting Barclays instead of RBS today.
His error/hubris was to persevere at the same bid price when the sector had rerated down by half.
As the whole point of the deal for RBS was to buy in expertise it was a massive failure.0 -
Nat West promised to help me with certain things when my wife died, and then they reneged so I moved to HSBC who I am now dumping because of their stance on Hong Kong.Philip_Thompson said:
So next referendum the line would be "Natwest threatens to relocate to London . . . "TheScreamingEagles said:
Still based in Edinburgh, no jobs are being transferred or lost, the HQ is in Edinburgh.Philip_Thompson said:
The last doesn't seem to deal with the issues from the former: Is Natwest going to be based in London or Scotland?Theuniondivvie said:The death of a meme was announced today,
Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.
Nae floors.
Requiescat in pace
'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm
'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'
https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n
'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'
https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o
'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'
https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl
It's simple logic, people get enraged about RBS, work in a RBS call centre when people ring up in financial distress, say you lot get bailed out, I want a bailout.
Natwest is more benign, plus Natwest represents circa 80% of the group's trade.
Difficult to know where to go to.... Barclays has history with S Africa, Lloyds is Lloyds. as I say difficult...0 -
Indeed. When Boris took over he was happy to purge the Cabinet - then even the Party of those who couldn't get aboard his project and move on from May.Essexit said:
By contrast Starmer was in Corbyn's shadow cabinet right until the end, and even put one of Corbyn's lieutenants in his own shadow cabinet - though she gave him a nice opportunity to remove her.isam said:
The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten yearsCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950
This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot
Starmer OTOH campaigned as a "unity" candidate rather than campaigning to vanquish Corbynism.0 -
This Government wears the badge of a group that has been in power for 10 years.isam said:
The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten yearsCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950
This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot
The leadership at the top may have slightly changed but it's the same group...0 -
With Ian Murray as the throbbing intellectual powerhouse of Labour Unionism, I fear improvement is the least likely option.Carnyx said:
The question is whether they have improved over Mr Corbyn - remember his lecturing a Scottish audience on the need to renationalise water, do something about the bedroom tax, etc.Theuniondivvie said:
Just so.Carnyx said:
'Nicola Sturgeon has led condemnation of Alex Salmond, her predecessor as Scotland’s first minister, over his decision to host a chat show on a TV channel backed by the Kremlin.'
https://twitter.com/LloydAMelville/status/1285934322713874432?s=20
One wonders whether Team SKS are just displaying the standard Lab ignorance & lack of interest in matters Scotch or if they thought they'd just get the dig in anyway and hope no one notices.0
