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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,413
    Anecdata. Went into the Toon yesterday. Train as busy as a usual weekday afternoon. 75% face mask compliance. Metro Centre similar to normal.
    Got to the quayside. Half the pubs and restaurants open. They seemed about the same.
    But. Around 5:30 I turned around and the place was suddenly emptied. Walked back to the station and it was quiet. By 7:30 was as dead as a Sunday evening.
    Seems daytime shopping and leisure about the same, but a complete absence of any after work trade, or anyone coming into the City for a night out.
    Eerily quiet.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    I have occasionally been known to type "kicked" instead of "licked". It's an easy mistake.
    So, any guesses for his safe word?
    I had to google for that expression!
    Better than me. I googled "MILF" in front of giggling teenage niece & nephew!
    That was my fault wasn't it?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    ydoethur said:

    If you think that's odd, have a look at this rare photo of Joe Biden I've found. Why do you think he's shaved his beard off now? Is it because he's secretly an extremist and is hiding that from us.

    We demand the truth!

    image
    Any kind of lie we'll swallow
    Swallow any kind of mixture.
    But don't, oh don't we beg and pray you
    Don't for land's sakes show his picture.

    (Democratic campaign ditty, 1860)
    In 1860 Abe Lincoln did NOT have a beard. He started growing it after receiving a letter just before election day from a little girl urging him to grow a beard.

    Note that Lincoln without beard was NOT a thing of beauty; if anything it helped improve his looks.
    image
    Believe this photo was taken in 1840s when Lincoln was (briefly) a member of US House of Representatives. By 1860 he looked older & gaunter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370

    ydoethur said:

    If you think that's odd, have a look at this rare photo of Joe Biden I've found. Why do you think he's shaved his beard off now? Is it because he's secretly an extremist and is hiding that from us.

    We demand the truth!

    image
    Any kind of lie we'll swallow
    Swallow any kind of mixture.
    But don't, oh don't we beg and pray you
    Don't for land's sakes show his picture.

    (Democratic campaign ditty, 1860)
    In 1860 Abe Lincoln did NOT have a beard. He started growing it after receiving a letter just before election day from a little girl urging him to grow a beard.

    Note that Lincoln without beard was NOT a thing of beauty; if anything it helped improve his looks.
    image
    Believe this photo was taken in 1840s when Lincoln was (briefly) a member of US House of Representatives. By 1860 he looked older & gaunter.
    True, but it showed Lincoln wasn't actually a gargoyle....
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    isam said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950

    This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot

    The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten years
    This Government wears the badge of a group that has been in power for 10 years.

    The leadership at the top may have slightly changed but it's the same group...
    No, that's just wrong. People are criticising Boris for trying to tie Starmer to Corbyn, so it is equally incorrect to say Boris has anything to do with Cameron/May era Tory govt. Starmer probably has more in common with Miliband than Boris has with PM May or Cameron
    As the Donald would say "WRONG". "Boris" as you affectionately like to call him, was in TMay's government and was the most incompetent Foreign Secretary of all time, so he was part of her government and he jumped before he was pushed. He was also a great confident of David Cameron before he decided that his career prospects were best served by pretending he believed in Brexit, to the great surprise of even his immediate family. He is most definitely part of the same continuum. He is part of that 10 years of government, but just a much more incompetent and immoral version of what went before.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Gargoyle, no. Homely, hell yes.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    A nice thing about Brexit, and Labour appointing Starmer, is that it correctly puts the people who pretended to disagree on policy between Cameron and Miliband 2010-2015 in the same party. What a non choice that was - the voice of an enormous percentage of the country's voters just not represented in parliament
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    And yet mysteriously the stock market and house prices continue to rise.

    A game of pass the parcel. Only the parcel is ticking.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    slade said:

    Latest on the coronavirus situation. Today I received a letter from my local council signed by the Leader, the Chief Executive, and the Director of Public Health. It warned of a possible spike in new infections and re-iterated all the precautions to be taken. But interestingly the core message was repeated in Arabic, Urdu, Gujarati, Kurdish, Mandarin, Spanish, Polish, Romanian, and Hungarian (an interesting collection of languages).

    Which local council, as a matter of interest?
    I will keep an eye out for it. Only multilingual letter I've had from the council this week is a green bin non compliance - lord knows why, and I've phoned for clarification. But the reactionary cynic in me guesses that's probably higher priority round here than mere COVID.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    edited July 2020

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    We had stories like that after the last recession, 1 job in Costa and 2000 applications etc...
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    isam said:

    A nice thing about Brexit, and Labour appointing Starmer, is that it correctly puts the people who pretended to disagree on policy between Cameron and Miliband 2010-2015 in the same party. What a non choice that was - the voice of an enormous percentage of the country's voters just not represented in parliament

    You are either talking incomprehensible bollox or that is just so clever that I don't understand. As you are a Leaver it is very unlikely to be the latter, so I suspect it is the former.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    glw said:

    As bad as his Tweet is it is some of the replies that are the most disturbing.
    Polly Styrene there, preparing for an Xray Specs concert. Some of those gigs were rough.
    Yes, but they were germ free adolescents
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    isam said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950

    This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot

    The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten years
    This Government wears the badge of a group that has been in power for 10 years.

    The leadership at the top may have slightly changed but it's the same group...
    No, that's just wrong. People are criticising Boris for trying to tie Starmer to Corbyn, so it is equally incorrect to say Boris has anything to do with Cameron/May era Tory govt. Starmer probably has more in common with Miliband than Boris has with PM May or Cameron
    As the Donald would say "WRONG". "Boris" as you affectionately like to call him, was in TMay's government and was the most incompetent Foreign Secretary of all time, so he was part of her government and he jumped before he was pushed. He was also a great confident of David Cameron before he decided that his career prospects were best served by pretending he believed in Brexit, to the great surprise of even his immediate family. He is most definitely part of the same continuum. He is part of that 10 years of government, but just a much more incompetent and immoral version of what went before.
    Like Donald most of the time you would be wrong saying that and spouting Fake News. Maybe step away from the Donald.

    Boris was one of a large slate of resignations from the most incompetent PM of all time's government, that of Theresa May and he then helped lead opposition to her awful deal.

    ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_departures_from_the_second_May_ministry

    I agree he was close with Cameron though and he is much closer to Cameron than May ever was, Brexit-aside. I have made that point myself on many occasions

    Its a shame you're too blinded by hatred of Brexit to have sound judgement because you were close to having a good point then, you just couldn't latch on to it. Better look next time..
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041

    slade said:

    Latest on the coronavirus situation. Today I received a letter from my local council signed by the Leader, the Chief Executive, and the Director of Public Health. It warned of a possible spike in new infections and re-iterated all the precautions to be taken. But interestingly the core message was repeated in Arabic, Urdu, Gujarati, Kurdish, Mandarin, Spanish, Polish, Romanian, and Hungarian (an interesting collection of languages).

    Which local council, as a matter of interest?
    Kirklees
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    I’ve just had an email asking me if I want to buy the new book by Agatha Christie...

    Ghost written for sure...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    @CorrectHorseBattery

    Have you decided how you wish to be addressed after the recent conversation.

    If Mr Horse is not acceptable, what do you prefer?

    (Admit I am leaning towards Mr Battery :smile: )
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,885
    Foxy said:

    I’ve just had an email asking me if I want to buy the new book by Agatha Christie...

    Ghost written for sure...
    Either that or the email got held up in the ether!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Sentient people? I thought they were Corbynistas?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    slade said:

    slade said:

    Latest on the coronavirus situation. Today I received a letter from my local council signed by the Leader, the Chief Executive, and the Director of Public Health. It warned of a possible spike in new infections and re-iterated all the precautions to be taken. But interestingly the core message was repeated in Arabic, Urdu, Gujarati, Kurdish, Mandarin, Spanish, Polish, Romanian, and Hungarian (an interesting collection of languages).

    Which local council, as a matter of interest?
    Kirklees
    Seems to be trending *better* in the last few days....

    image
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Dominic "Emperors New Clothes" Cummings strikes again. Has there ever been a better confidence trickster at the heart of government? Other than a dubious claim to tilting the 2016 referendum, which he, and only he was capable of (definitely not the resource rich Russians) what has this grotesque charlatan achieved in his cynical miserable life? Other than the obvious duping of a terribly incompetent PM, not a lot!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited July 2020
    MattW said:

    @CorrectHorseBattery

    Have you decided how you wish to be addressed after the recent conversation.

    If Mr Horse is not acceptable, what do you prefer?

    (Admit I am leaning towards Mr Battery :smile: )

    The one that amuses me is that Mr Dancer always calls me 'Mr Doctor.'*

    *For those not in the know, 'Y Doethur' is Welsh for 'The Doctor.'
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    @CorrectHorseBattery

    Have you decided how you wish to be addressed after the recent conversation.

    If Mr Horse is not acceptable, what do you prefer?

    (Admit I am leaning towards Mr Battery :smile: )

    The one that amuses me is that Mr Dancer always calls me 'Mr Doctor.'*

    *For those not in the know, 'Y Doethur' is Welsh for 'The Doctor.'
    At least he doesn't call you Mr Who
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    Scott_xP said:
    Given the Brighton Green Party and Israel campaigns, I wonder how this will play out.

    Are they planning a meat ban this time around?
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285

    ydoethur said:

    If you think that's odd, have a look at this rare photo of Joe Biden I've found. Why do you think he's shaved his beard off now? Is it because he's secretly an extremist and is hiding that from us.

    We demand the truth!

    image
    Any kind of lie we'll swallow
    Swallow any kind of mixture.
    But don't, oh don't we beg and pray you
    Don't for land's sakes show his picture.

    (Democratic campaign ditty, 1860)
    In 1860 Abe Lincoln did NOT have a beard. He started growing it after receiving a letter just before election day from a little girl urging him to grow a beard.

    Note that Lincoln without beard was NOT a thing of beauty; if anything it helped improve his looks.
    image
    I know cheap portrait painters couldn’t do hands, but I didn’t realise that applied to some photographers as well.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    CatMan said:
    Graft is a good one from that list in the context of politics.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902
    Just a thought. If Unite are unwilling to spend their members money on yet another high court adventure, perhaps the faithful could chip in.

    JEZ-AID. Broadcast on Novara Media, Bastani imploring true socialists get their hand in their pockets to fund the damages of the Great Leader. Totaliser in the background. Offers that if you donate a grand you can accompany Jeremy on stage to campaign with the anti-semitic terrorist of your choice.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    James Schneider sailing close to the wind on PM program. An angry man. titter.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Foxy said:



    glw said:

    As bad as his Tweet is it is some of the replies that are the most disturbing.
    Polly Styrene there, preparing for an Xray Specs concert. Some of those gigs were rough.
    Yes, but they were germ free adolescents
    indeed.

    The brilliance, originality and energy of that band still blows me away.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Diagnosticados últimas 24 horas: 730 Diagnosticados últimos 7 días: 9011 Diagnosticados últimos 14 días: 14520 Incidencia Acumulada (IA): 30,88 Número reproductivo básico (Rt): 0,9
    Fallecidos:28.426
    Fallecidos últimos 7 días: 12
    Recuperados:18-05-2020150.376
    Hospitalizados: 126.179 Hospitalizados últimos 7 días: 288 UCI: 11.736 UCI últimos 7 días: 11
    PCR totales: 2.536.234
    PCR/1000 hab: 53,8 Incremento capacidad PCR última semana: 14%
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502

    Dominic "Emperors New Clothes" Cummings strikes again. Has there ever been a better confidence trickster at the heart of government? Other than a dubious claim to tilting the 2016 referendum, which he, and only he was capable of (definitely not the resource rich Russians) what has this grotesque charlatan achieved in his cynical miserable life? Other than the obvious duping of a terribly incompetent PM, not a lot!
    Bozo has deemed the matter closed ! This rancid government continues to sink further into a cesspit of corruption and lies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    edited July 2020

    ydoethur said:

    If you think that's odd, have a look at this rare photo of Joe Biden I've found. Why do you think he's shaved his beard off now? Is it because he's secretly an extremist and is hiding that from us.

    We demand the truth!

    image
    Any kind of lie we'll swallow
    Swallow any kind of mixture.
    But don't, oh don't we beg and pray you
    Don't for land's sakes show his picture.

    (Democratic campaign ditty, 1860)
    In 1860 Abe Lincoln did NOT have a beard. He started growing it after receiving a letter just before election day from a little girl urging him to grow a beard.

    Note that Lincoln without beard was NOT a thing of beauty; if anything it helped improve his looks.
    image
    I know cheap portrait painters couldn’t do hands, but I didn’t realise that applied to some photographers as well.
    There is speculation that Lincoln had Marfans syndrome, explaining a number of his physical features, including unusually long fingers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    isam said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950

    This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot

    The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten years
    This Government wears the badge of a group that has been in power for 10 years.

    The leadership at the top may have slightly changed but it's the same group...
    No, that's just wrong. People are criticising Boris for trying to tie Starmer to Corbyn, so it is equally incorrect to say Boris has anything to do with Cameron/May era Tory govt. Starmer probably has more in common with Miliband than Boris has with PM May or Cameron
    As the Donald would say "WRONG". "Boris" as you affectionately like to call him, was in TMay's government and was the most incompetent Foreign Secretary of all time, so he was part of her government and he jumped before he was pushed. He was also a great confident of David Cameron before he decided that his career prospects were best served by pretending he believed in Brexit, to the great surprise of even his immediate family. He is most definitely part of the same continuum. He is part of that 10 years of government, but just a much more incompetent and immoral version of what went before.
    Like Donald most of the time you would be wrong saying that and spouting Fake News. Maybe step away from the Donald.

    Boris was one of a large slate of resignations from the most incompetent PM of all time's government, that of Theresa May and he then helped lead opposition to her awful deal.

    ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_departures_from_the_second_May_ministry

    I agree he was close with Cameron though and he is much closer to Cameron than May ever was, Brexit-aside. I have made that point myself on many occasions

    Its a shame you're too blinded by hatred of Brexit to have sound judgement because you were close to having a good point then, you just couldn't latch on to it. Better look next time..
    Oh dear, the non-thinking man's Useful Idiot speaks. Johnson has stolen the most incompetent PM title from Mrs May. She, who was pretty awful, was a colossus of competence in contrast. Worse than that though, he is an unwitting de-facto quisling for advancing the foreign policy agenda of a hostile state. What is curious about him is that having abjectly failed as Foreign Secretary the swivel-eyed nutters that now dominate the membership of the Conservative Party (Putin's much beloved activists) thought it was a good idea to make an incompetent Foreign Secretary Prime Minister!!

    Thanks for the "better look (sic) next time wish, most generous of you, and well done for congratulating yourself on your bleeding obvious observation that Johnson, who went to school with Cameron was closer to him than May who obviously did not. Your depth of insight is astounding.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217

    MaxPB said:

    England all settings deaths

    image

    So on the 20th July we have had 3 deaths recorded in English hospitals and 48 in all settings. Is this likely? Where did the other 45 die?
    Care homes, lots of them from natural causes but they get included in the stats until the DoH figures out how not to.
    They are basically nonsense figures
    That's why excess deaths is the key metric - and in UK there were 77% more deaths than normal in the March to end June period. Since the end of June, we've had slightly below average mortality.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Just a thought. If Unite are unwilling to spend their members money on yet another high court adventure, perhaps the faithful could chip in.

    JEZ-AID. Broadcast on Novara Media, Bastani imploring true socialists get their hand in their pockets to fund the damages of the Great Leader. Totaliser in the background. Offers that if you donate a grand you can accompany Jeremy on stage to campaign with the anti-semitic terrorist of your choice.

    OCD
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Just a thought. If Unite are unwilling to spend their members money on yet another high court adventure, perhaps the faithful could chip in.

    JEZ-AID. Broadcast on Novara Media, Bastani imploring true socialists get their hand in their pockets to fund the damages of the Great Leader. Totaliser in the background. Offers that if you donate a grand you can accompany Jeremy on stage to campaign with the anti-semitic terrorist of your choice.

    How much did suckers donate to BLM UK? About £7m wasn’t it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you think that's odd, have a look at this rare photo of Joe Biden I've found. Why do you think he's shaved his beard off now? Is it because he's secretly an extremist and is hiding that from us.

    We demand the truth!

    image
    Any kind of lie we'll swallow
    Swallow any kind of mixture.
    But don't, oh don't we beg and pray you
    Don't for land's sakes show his picture.

    (Democratic campaign ditty, 1860)
    In 1860 Abe Lincoln did NOT have a beard. He started growing it after receiving a letter just before election day from a little girl urging him to grow a beard.

    Note that Lincoln without beard was NOT a thing of beauty; if anything it helped improve his looks.
    image
    I know cheap portrait painters couldn’t do hands, but I didn’t realise that applied to some photographers as well.
    There is speculation that Lincoln had Marfans syndrome, explaining a number of his physical features, including unusually long fingers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome
    I think I’m right in saying it didn’t contribute to his early death though...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2020

    isam said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950

    This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot

    The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten years
    This Government wears the badge of a group that has been in power for 10 years.

    The leadership at the top may have slightly changed but it's the same group...
    No, that's just wrong. People are criticising Boris for trying to tie Starmer to Corbyn, so it is equally incorrect to say Boris has anything to do with Cameron/May era Tory govt. Starmer probably has more in common with Miliband than Boris has with PM May or Cameron
    As the Donald would say "WRONG". "Boris" as you affectionately like to call him, was in TMay's government and was the most incompetent Foreign Secretary of all time, so he was part of her government and he jumped before he was pushed. He was also a great confident of David Cameron before he decided that his career prospects were best served by pretending he believed in Brexit, to the great surprise of even his immediate family. He is most definitely part of the same continuum. He is part of that 10 years of government, but just a much more incompetent and immoral version of what went before.
    Like Donald most of the time you would be wrong saying that and spouting Fake News. Maybe step away from the Donald.

    Boris was one of a large slate of resignations from the most incompetent PM of all time's government, that of Theresa May and he then helped lead opposition to her awful deal.

    ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_departures_from_the_second_May_ministry

    I agree he was close with Cameron though and he is much closer to Cameron than May ever was, Brexit-aside. I have made that point myself on many occasions

    Its a shame you're too blinded by hatred of Brexit to have sound judgement because you were close to having a good point then, you just couldn't latch on to it. Better look next time..
    Oh dear, the non-thinking man's Useful Idiot speaks. Johnson has stolen the most incompetent PM title from Mrs May. She, who was pretty awful, was a colossus of competence in contrast. Worse than that though, he is an unwitting de-facto quisling for advancing the foreign policy agenda of a hostile state. What is curious about him is that having abjectly failed as Foreign Secretary the swivel-eyed nutters that now dominate the membership of the Conservative Party (Putin's much beloved activists) thought it was a good idea to make an incompetent Foreign Secretary Prime Minister!!

    Thanks for the "better look (sic) next time wish, most generous of you, and well done for congratulating yourself on your bleeding obvious observation that Johnson, who went to school with Cameron was closer to him than May who obviously did not. Your depth of insight is astounding.
    I don’t think you should be so confidant of picking up other people on their spelling mistakes
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,466
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    @CorrectHorseBattery

    Have you decided how you wish to be addressed after the recent conversation.

    If Mr Horse is not acceptable, what do you prefer?

    (Admit I am leaning towards Mr Battery :smile: )

    The one that amuses me is that Mr Dancer always calls me 'Mr Doctor.'*

    *For those not in the know, 'Y Doethur' is Welsh for 'The Doctor.'
    Finally! Bugged me for years what that meant. Obviously too lazy to expend effort to find out though...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    What is being bought includes the internationally agreed frequency allocations. Which might well be worth more than a billion, just by themselves.

    The ESA launches are not locked in.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    'Lacklustre'? I thought I read on here that Boris had 'floored' Keir earlier.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    'Lacklustre'? I thought I read on here that Boris had 'floored' Keir earlier.

    He did.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    isam said:

    isam said:

    eek said:

    isam said:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1285893648241106950

    This is the powerful stuff, breaking down the idea Johnson is any different to the previous lot

    The problem with that is the supporters of the last lot are hostile to Boris, this government hasn’t really been in charge for ten years
    This Government wears the badge of a group that has been in power for 10 years.

    The leadership at the top may have slightly changed but it's the same group...
    No, that's just wrong. People are criticising Boris for trying to tie Starmer to Corbyn, so it is equally incorrect to say Boris has anything to do with Cameron/May era Tory govt. Starmer probably has more in common with Miliband than Boris has with PM May or Cameron
    As the Donald would say "WRONG". "Boris" as you affectionately like to call him, was in TMay's government and was the most incompetent Foreign Secretary of all time, so he was part of her government and he jumped before he was pushed. He was also a great confident of David Cameron before he decided that his career prospects were best served by pretending he believed in Brexit, to the great surprise of even his immediate family. He is most definitely part of the same continuum. He is part of that 10 years of government, but just a much more incompetent and immoral version of what went before.
    Like Donald most of the time you would be wrong saying that and spouting Fake News. Maybe step away from the Donald.

    Boris was one of a large slate of resignations from the most incompetent PM of all time's government, that of Theresa May and he then helped lead opposition to her awful deal.

    ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_departures_from_the_second_May_ministry

    I agree he was close with Cameron though and he is much closer to Cameron than May ever was, Brexit-aside. I have made that point myself on many occasions

    Its a shame you're too blinded by hatred of Brexit to have sound judgement because you were close to having a good point then, you just couldn't latch on to it. Better look next time..
    Oh dear, the non-thinking man's Useful Idiot speaks. Johnson has stolen the most incompetent PM title from Mrs May. She, who was pretty awful, was a colossus of competence in contrast. Worse than that though, he is an unwitting de-facto quisling for advancing the foreign policy agenda of a hostile state. What is curious about him is that having abjectly failed as Foreign Secretary the swivel-eyed nutters that now dominate the membership of the Conservative Party (Putin's much beloved activists) thought it was a good idea to make an incompetent Foreign Secretary Prime Minister!!

    Thanks for the "better look (sic) next time wish, most generous of you, and well done for congratulating yourself on your bleeding obvious observation that Johnson, who went to school with Cameron was closer to him than May who obviously did not. Your depth of insight is astounding.
    I don’t think you should be so confidant of picking up other people on their spelling mistakes
    Confidant. I see what you did there..
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.

    I think in a system like ours even the greatest would struggle to make that long, and that without massive unforeseen events.

    I do though think Sunak is being massively over hyped.
    His rise reminds me somewhat of John Major’s.

    A politician of obvious ability, promoted far too rapidly because an authoritarian PM was refusing to work intelligently with colleagues and couldn’t bear dissent even while cocking up massively everywhere.

    And it didn’t end too well for Major.
    But not before Major won a General Election.

    Now, who's going to be Blair Mk.2 in 2029? :smiley:
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    What is being bought includes the internationally agreed frequency allocations. Which might well be worth more than a billion, just by themselves.

    The ESA launches are not locked in.
    Sounds similar to the Solyndra scandal under Obama administration, where feds reportedly threw over $500m down a similar rat-hole.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    Friend of mine watched it, and enjoyed very much.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited July 2020

    Dominic "Emperors New Clothes" Cummings strikes again. Has there ever been a better confidence trickster at the heart of government? Other than a dubious claim to tilting the 2016 referendum, which he, and only he was capable of (definitely not the resource rich Russians) what has this grotesque charlatan achieved in his cynical miserable life? Other than the obvious duping of a terribly incompetent PM, not a lot!
    Begs an interesting question. When it all goes pear - as I think most who combine intelligence and objectivity pretty much know by now that it will - who should take the lion's share of the blame? The organ grinder or the monkey?

    I've given this a fair amount of thought since it's not an easy question. There's a strong case either way. But on balance I'm going for the monkey. Johnson. Why? Because he is a willing stooge. Or to put it more weightily and academically - he's a monkey with agency.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,707

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.

    I think in a system like ours even the greatest would struggle to make that long, and that without massive unforeseen events.

    I do though think Sunak is being massively over hyped.
    His rise reminds me somewhat of John Major’s.

    A politician of obvious ability, promoted far too rapidly because an authoritarian PM was refusing to work intelligently with colleagues and couldn’t bear dissent even while cocking up massively everywhere.

    And it didn’t end too well for Major.
    But not before Major won a General Election.

    Now, who's going to be Blair Mk.2 in 2029? :smiley:
    Given that Blair first got elected on Michael Foot's manifesto, perhaps the answer is a young Corbynite.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    England all settings deaths

    image

    So on the 20th July we have had 3 deaths recorded in English hospitals and 48 in all settings. Is this likely? Where did the other 45 die?
    Care homes, lots of them from natural causes but they get included in the stats until the DoH figures out how not to.
    They are basically nonsense figures
    That's why excess deaths is the key metric - and in UK there were 77% more deaths than normal in the March to end June period. Since the end of June, we've had slightly below average mortality.
    The problem is the announced figures are effecting far more than the mood on PB.

    The ONS numbers are gold standard - but they have a severe reporting delay.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    England all settings deaths

    image

    So on the 20th July we have had 3 deaths recorded in English hospitals and 48 in all settings. Is this likely? Where did the other 45 die?
    Care homes, lots of them from natural causes but they get included in the stats until the DoH figures out how not to.
    They are basically nonsense figures
    Yes, sadly they are. Hopefully Matt Hancock gives us an update on the progress of this restatement soon. It's fucking up a lot of the UK economic projections we're doing.
    It's almost as if the wonky death stats had been made up on purpose to undermine the Government - simultaneously frightening a lot of customers for high street businesses into perpetual self-isolation because they are terrified that the disease is still running rampant, and providing Nicola Sturgeon with yet another valuable weapon to use against the Union.

    The extent of the self-harming incompetence on display here would be laughable were the topic itself not so serious.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370

    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    What is being bought includes the internationally agreed frequency allocations. Which might well be worth more than a billion, just by themselves.

    The ESA launches are not locked in.
    Sounds similar to the Solyndra scandal under Obama administration, where feds reportedly threw over $500m down a similar rat-hole.
    Thinking about it - how much would Starlink/Musk pay for the frequencies for OneWeb? Completely shut down the possibility of a competitor + all the extra frequency allocation...

    Hmmm - would such a transfer work, legally?

    Second thought - a merger/buyout. One Web brings the frequencies. Starlink brings the satellites and launches.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    I'm actually fine with the principle of picking winners on this one. This company isn't making tomato ketchup, its technology could be very important to defence.

    Civil servants are right to raise the considerable risks, and Ministers have the right to ignore them given the wider geopolitical concerns.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    edited July 2020

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    I am two episodes in. Brilliant recreation of 1940s America, particularly working class jewish New Jersey. Some people may find it a little slow to get going, but I would recommend it.

    Edit: The youngest kid is brilliant. Amazing acting for a youngster.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    Friend of mine watched it, and enjoyed very much.
    Ta.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217

    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    What is being bought includes the internationally agreed frequency allocations. Which might well be worth more than a billion, just by themselves.

    The ESA launches are not locked in.
    As I understand it, those frequencies are "use it or lose it" - so if they don't get satellites into space they lose the frequencies.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,599
    "Manners maketh the society
    When Michael Gove called mask-wearing a form of politeness, he was referencing a oft-forgotten virtue
    By Niall Gooch"

    https://unherd.com/2020/07/manners-maketh-the-society/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    It is a reality that has passed the fanbois by. Although I am coming around to the realisation that bad news has little negative effect on Johnson's electability. The more ridiculous he appears, the greater the Tory lead.

    Talking of bad news. I can feel it in my water, West Bromwich Albion 1 Queens Park Rangers 2. Anything less than a win for the Baggies is end-of-the-world catastrophic!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    I am two episodes in. Brilliant recreation of 1940s America, particularly working class jewish New Jersey. Some people may find it a little slow to get going, but I would recommend it.

    Edit: The youngest kid is brilliant. Amazing acting for a youngster.
    Cheers.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.

    I think in a system like ours even the greatest would struggle to make that long, and that without massive unforeseen events.

    I do though think Sunak is being massively over hyped.
    His rise reminds me somewhat of John Major’s.

    A politician of obvious ability, promoted far too rapidly because an authoritarian PM was refusing to work intelligently with colleagues and couldn’t bear dissent even while cocking up massively everywhere.

    And it didn’t end too well for Major.
    But not before Major won a General Election.

    Now, who's going to be Blair Mk.2 in 2029? :smiley:
    Given that Blair first got elected on Michael Foot's manifesto, perhaps the answer is a young Corbynite.
    ***hurriedly Googles the 2017 Labour intake...***

    Marsha de Cordova? OK, she doesn't qualify as particularly young, BUT...

    In favour: female and black and with a disability, hasn't (as far as I can see) become embroiled in any major controversies, already in Shadow Cabinet

    Also: marginally older than I am, which would therefore put off the fateful moment when I am older than the Prime Minister for another few years at least. But, sadly...

    Against: not a white man, so Labour will never pick her

    Any suggestions for young and (currently) left-wing white men to take over from Starmer?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,885

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you think that's odd, have a look at this rare photo of Joe Biden I've found. Why do you think he's shaved his beard off now? Is it because he's secretly an extremist and is hiding that from us.

    We demand the truth!

    image
    Any kind of lie we'll swallow
    Swallow any kind of mixture.
    But don't, oh don't we beg and pray you
    Don't for land's sakes show his picture.

    (Democratic campaign ditty, 1860)
    In 1860 Abe Lincoln did NOT have a beard. He started growing it after receiving a letter just before election day from a little girl urging him to grow a beard.

    Note that Lincoln without beard was NOT a thing of beauty; if anything it helped improve his looks.
    image
    I know cheap portrait painters couldn’t do hands, but I didn’t realise that applied to some photographers as well.
    There is speculation that Lincoln had Marfans syndrome, explaining a number of his physical features, including unusually long fingers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfan_syndrome
    I think I’m right in saying it didn’t contribute to his early death though...
    Made him a bigger and better target?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    It is a reality that has passed the fanbois by. Although I am coming around to the realisation that bad news has little negative effect on Johnson's electability. The more ridiculous he appears, the greater the Tory lead.

    Talking of bad news. I can feel it in my water, West Bromwich Albion 1 Queens Park Rangers 2. Anything less than a win for the Baggies is end-of-the-world catastrophic!
    Could be worse, you could be an Everton fan.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    It's good but a different thing from the book (to state the bleeding obvious).

    Some of the putting into historical context is a bit clunky.

    'Hey, let's look at a new house 'cos house prices are still low due to the lingering effects of the Depression'.

    I paraphrase but that was the gist of it.
    .
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    It is a reality that has passed the fanbois by. Although I am coming around to the realisation that bad news has little negative effect on Johnson's electability. The more ridiculous he appears, the greater the Tory lead.

    Talking of bad news. I can feel it in my water, West Bromwich Albion 1 Queens Park Rangers 2. Anything less than a win for the Baggies is end-of-the-world catastrophic!
    It has no effect because labour would have done the same sort of thing as Johnson in response to COVID.

  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,528
    Pogba after De Gea's job?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,370
    edited July 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    What is being bought includes the internationally agreed frequency allocations. Which might well be worth more than a billion, just by themselves.

    The ESA launches are not locked in.
    As I understand it, those frequencies are "use it or lose it" - so if they don't get satellites into space they lose the frequencies.
    They've got some satellites up already.

    There is precedent for using makeshift cheap satellites to "hold" frequency allocations - that's how Surrey Satellites saved Galileo.
  • Hit a new 10K PB today, very pleased
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).
    I'm actually fine with the principle of picking winners on this one. This company isn't making tomato ketchup, its technology could be very important to defence.

    Civil servants are right to raise the considerable risks, and Ministers have the right to ignore them given the wider geopolitical concerns.

    Compared to the defence budget this sort of investment is chump change. That it could potentially be profitable is a bonus if so, it is good to have significant R&D for the space race in this country.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    It is a reality that has passed the fanbois by. Although I am coming around to the realisation that bad news has little negative effect on Johnson's electability. The more ridiculous he appears, the greater the Tory lead.

    Talking of bad news. I can feel it in my water, West Bromwich Albion 1 Queens Park Rangers 2. Anything less than a win for the Baggies is end-of-the-world catastrophic!
    Alternatively, Tory support is holding where it is because Labour's support currently has a ceiling. Labour's fate then depends on being able to break through that ceiling.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    It's good but a different thing from the book (to state the bleeding obvious).

    Some of the putting into historical context is a bit clunky.

    'Hey, let's look at a new house 'cos house prices are still low due to the lingering effects of the Depression'.

    I paraphrase but that was the gist of it.
    .
    Thank you.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunak will make a great next PM when Boris retires in 2028.

    I think in a system like ours even the greatest would struggle to make that long, and that without massive unforeseen events.

    I do though think Sunak is being massively over hyped.
    His rise reminds me somewhat of John Major’s.

    A politician of obvious ability, promoted far too rapidly because an authoritarian PM was refusing to work intelligently with colleagues and couldn’t bear dissent even while cocking up massively everywhere.

    And it didn’t end too well for Major.
    But not before Major won a General Election.

    Now, who's going to be Blair Mk.2 in 2029? :smiley:
    If I'm right and Sunak takes over in 2028 then Blair Mk.2 could take over in 2034.

    By then Labour should be able to detox from Corbynism.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    It's good but a different thing from the book (to state the bleeding obvious).

    Some of the putting into historical context is a bit clunky.

    'Hey, let's look at a new house 'cos house prices are still low due to the lingering effects of the Depression'.

    I paraphrase but that was the gist of it.
    .
    Thank you.
    Perry Mason with Matthew Rhys is also good.

    Penny Dreadful: City of Angels is cack.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357

    The death of a meme was announced today,

    Peacefully at home (location unclear) after a long illness, 'RBS will leave an indy Scotland' passed away in its sleep surrounded by regretful Unionists.

    Nae floors.

    Requiescat in pace


    'RBS will leave Scotland if voters back independence'

    https://tinyurl.com/y3cx9gzm

    'SCOTLAND BOMBSHELL: Royal Bank to move to LONDON if Sturgeon wins independence'

    https://tinyurl.com/y6atrk6n

    'RBS threatens to quit Scotland if SNP wins independence as it rebrands to NatWest'

    https://tinyurl.com/y3ot4k8o

    'RBS ditches toxic name after nearly 300 years: Bank to be called Natwest from today'

    https://tinyurl.com/y6sjertl

    It left when it was taken over by Natwest.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Come on West Ham!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    The economy's fucked isn't it?

    Nearly 1,000 people applied for ONE job at a Manchester restaurant

    "It’s very sad to see how many people are in need of employment"

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/nearly-1000-people-applied-one-18643868

    It is a reality that has passed the fanbois by. Although I am coming around to the realisation that bad news has little negative effect on Johnson's electability. The more ridiculous he appears, the greater the Tory lead.

    Talking of bad news. I can feel it in my water, West Bromwich Albion 1 Queens Park Rangers 2. Anything less than a win for the Baggies is end-of-the-world catastrophic!
    Could be worse, you could be an Everton fan.
    There is nothing more disappointing than following the Baggies. Ironically I started following the Albion after they smashed Everton one nil in the 1968 Cup Final.

    Sometimes I wish Everton had won!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675

    O/T - Has anyone watched 'The Plot Against America'?

    Any good or is it a Westworld Season 2?

    Would like to know before I commit to a binge watch tomorrow.

    It's good but a different thing from the book (to state the bleeding obvious).

    Some of the putting into historical context is a bit clunky.

    'Hey, let's look at a new house 'cos house prices are still low due to the lingering effects of the Depression'.

    I paraphrase but that was the gist of it.
    .
    Thank you.
    Perry Mason with Matthew Rhys is also good.

    Penny Dreadful: City of Angels is cack.
    I'm still reeling from seeing Perry Mason in a sex scene.

    I was expecting wholesome family entertainment that I could watch with my father.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Hit a new 10K PB today, very pleased

    That's good going in this weather. I had a stab at it this afternoon but gave up after 6K, stood around gasping for about five minutes, and then jogged pathetically the rest of the way back home. But I am old and extremely slow.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited July 2020
    https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1285964913169575941

    Police needed for Keir Starmer, we have a murder
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    Hit a new 10K PB today, very pleased

    Meanwhile original Scott_P holds the PB 10k record.
  • Flavible Projection CON: 325 (-40) LAB: 240 (+37) SNP: 56 (+8) LDEM: 6 (-5) PC: 4 (-) GRN: 1 (-)
    *Changes with GE
  • https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1285910256929968130

    My feeling is Starmer knows the report is going to force him to kick out Corbyn and a load of other Corbynites and he's laying the groundwork for a purge
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    The LD figure is nonsense. They will be on a negative figure by Christmas at this rate.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    Flavible Projection CON: 325 (-40) LAB: 240 (+37) SNP: 56 (+8) LDEM: 6 (-5) PC: 4 (-) GRN: 1 (-)
    *Changes with GE

    ....on old boundaries.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    The LD figure is nonsense. They will be on a negative figure by Christmas at this rate.
    Fair to say, the new leader has a challenge.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1285964913169575941

    Police needed for Keir Starmer, we have a murder

    He also spent three years in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. When the EHRC report comes out, I don't see Boris taking any lectures from Starmer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,608

    Just a thought. If Unite are unwilling to spend their members money on yet another high court adventure, perhaps the faithful could chip in.

    JEZ-AID. Broadcast on Novara Media, Bastani imploring true socialists get their hand in their pockets to fund the damages of the Great Leader. Totaliser in the background. Offers that if you donate a grand you can accompany Jeremy on stage to campaign with the anti-semitic terrorist of your choice.

    Where do we chip in for a wreath - for Corbyn's career?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Three new outbreaks in the Valencian Community: The Department of Health of the Valencian Community has detected 57 new cases of coronavirus in the last day, and has confirmed three new outbreaks: two in Santa Pola and San Juan, related to leisure social contacts, with four and six cases, and another in the health field, with four cases in the Hospital de Xàtiva, where 104 PCRs have already been carried out and case follow-up is being carried out
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    Just a thought. If Unite are unwilling to spend their members money on yet another high court adventure, perhaps the faithful could chip in.

    JEZ-AID. Broadcast on Novara Media, Bastani imploring true socialists get their hand in their pockets to fund the damages of the Great Leader. Totaliser in the background. Offers that if you donate a grand you can accompany Jeremy on stage to campaign with the anti-semitic terrorist of your choice.

    Where do we chip in for a wreath - for Corbyn's career?
    He had a career?
  • Corbyn may have the largest fall from grace of any leader in history. I get he left as the most unpopular opposition leader in history but to torpedo your reputation in one day is impressive
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1285964913169575941

    Police needed for Keir Starmer, we have a murder

    He also spent three years in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. When the EHRC report comes out, I don't see Boris taking any lectures from Starmer.
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer always seemed sound advice to me.

    If Starmer can royally shaft the anti-Semitic barsteward over the months all can be forgiven.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe it's because I'm not Dominic Cummings but I fail to see:

    (a) Why the government is picking winners
    (b) Why the UK government would want to invest in OneWeb, even if we were picking winners. It's structurally much higher cost than SpaceX, because it has to pay ESA launch prices. It's also at least 12 months behind SpaceX (and maybe more).

    You can't paint a Union flag on SpaceX
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149

    Corbyn may have the largest fall from grace of any leader in history. I get he left as the most unpopular opposition leader in history but to torpedo your reputation in one day is impressive

    Well there is Aung San Suu Kyi, but in a British context I would say it is pretty steep, except Corbyn is acting exactly in the manner expected of him before becoming leader, during his tenure as leader and after being leader. His reputation went up hugely when he became leader, but although he is not on top anymore, overall his reputation is likely still higher now than it was pre his being leader. He's an elder statesman of the party now!
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