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The Secretary of State for Northern Ireland – has usually been seen as a hospital pass (any point during the Troubles), an internal exile for those having to earn their passage back to the mainstream (Mandelson) or somewhere to put rivals or nuisances (Francis Pym, Jim Prior). In some cases, PMs have trolled the residents of that benighted province (Shaun Woodward, Karen Bradley, for heaven’s sake!) Few have shone in the role. One who did was Julian Smith. In his time there, he managed to broker a return of the devolved government (after a three-year stalemate), helped secure agreement in the revised Withdrawal Agreement to there being no hard border between north and south and oversaw the introduction of marriage equality. Quite something for 204 days’ work. For all this he was praised by both the Irish Taisoeach and Arlene Foster and duly sacked by Boris Johnson.
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"Johnson likes to be loved but he likes being feared even more. This can get you far in politics, indeed has got him to the top. When that love fades and the fear goes – and they will, one day – his fall will be worth watching."
Julian Lewis showed no fear...
He may be the first. He will not be the last.0 -
Boris - Give me a call! - cheers, Roger S.0
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I believe that is right, but I am worried about the prospect of opinion shifting rapidly to prioritize the economy if independents believe an effective vaccine is/will be available shortly. Put me in the category of worrywart if that helps.
Well, reckon that 78 years ago in July 1932 just after Dem National Convention, Louis Howe & Jim Farley were worried about the outlook for the general.
As they say, many a slip between the cup and the lip!0 -
Excellent piece as per Cyclefree, won't comment much because like Peter Foster my eyes are bleeding from the irony.
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Talking about the continued incompetence of the disgraced national security risk that is Priti Patel
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The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.0 -
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:2 -
Well given Valencia went into lockdown on 15/3 and the rest of Spain on 17/3 and I was suggesting on here the UK steal a march and do likewise it clearly did not go into lockdown on 16/3. Some people with foresight may have taken their own actions but the country as a whole dis not.Scott_xP said:0 -
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:0 -
16 March was "don't go to work". I was in London that day and my train was pretty empty so plenty had already started to do that. And the pubs were still open but people were told not to go, which admittedly, was weird.nichomar said:
Well given Valencia went into lockdown on 15/3 and the rest of Spain on 17/3 and I was suggesting on here the UK steal a march and do likewise it clearly did not go into lockdown on 16/3. Some people with foresight may have taken their own actions but the country as a whole dis not.Scott_xP said:0 -
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.1 -
The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.3 -
Diagnosticados últimas 24 horas: 580 Diagnosticados últimos 7 días: 5128 Diagnosticados últimos 14 días: 8313 Incidencia Acumulada (IA): 17,68 Número reproductivo básico (Rt): 0,9
Fallecidos:28.416
Fallecidos últimos 7 días: 9
Recuperados:18-05-2020150.376
Hospitalizados: 125.881 Hospitalizados últimos 7 días: 196 UCI: 11.726 UCI últimos 7 días: 17
PCR totales: 2.536.234
PCR/1000 hab: 53,8 Incremento capacidad PCR última semana: 14%
Problems n Spain although bulk of problem in Catalonia and Aragon
Another new outbreak in Alicante, this time Benidorm but limited to three cases. There is a group of holiday makers outside playing boules in the park behaving like footballers without a mask between them, selfish bastards.0 -
Anyhoo, so what happens if Boris Johnson goes against this?
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The firm I work made work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.2 -
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Philosophically that’s an interesting question (I don’t have a view one way or the other).RochdalePioneers said:
Yes it can. How would rUK stop it? They won't just declare UDI. There will be an election. Then a referendum. Then a result. If the Scottish government is elected on a platform of Indyref2 and then Indyref2 votes for Independence what specifically can rUK do to stop it?RobD said:Scotland also cannot declare independence without the permission of the UK. The position is the same.
There are two Acts of Union - English and Scottish. The Scottish one was passed in the Scottish Parliament. It absolutely can be dissolved in the Scottish Parliament. Are you suggesting the British Army should be deployed to arrest the SNP leadership to prevent that from happening?
AIUI the Scottish Parliament decided to dissolve itself and merge with the Westminster Parliament with Scotland sending representatives to sit in the U.K. Parliament
Some years later, the U.K. parliament votes to create a devolved Parliament at Holyrood which has certain prescribed powers with other powers reserved to Westminster.
It does not follow that Holyrood is a recreation of the original Scottish Parliament, but it’s instead a devolved body from Westminster. Hence I don’t think that it can “just dissolve the Union”.
That’s not to saw that Scotland can’t go down UDI route if it wants to, but I don’t think it can claim to be acting within the law if it does3 -
Friday 27/03/2020 Cummings f***s off to Durham.TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
Sunday 12/04/2020 Lockdown eases to allow self-administered eye-tests involving driving to beauty spots.
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Schools will not be closedRobD said:0 -
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face0 -
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.0 -
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They still haven't worked out what is meant by 'epidemic curve' yet.Alistair said:
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.0 -
It's a very good question. I'm a little miffed that I wasn't told to work from home. We were told to take our laptops home just in case the guidance changed over night, but they only ever said speak to your line manager if you have any concerns. Not good.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.
The cynic in me thinks it's because they know that once the home working genie is out of the bottle, it's going to be very hard to put it back in. We could all be vaccinated against COVID-19 next year and the damage will be done, in my opinion.0 -
Wonder IF the Chief Whip will tell the House that Lewis pledged himself to vote for Grayling, as is alleged?rcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.0 -
I enjoyed seeing something that is concurrently a curve and a plateau.Alistair said:
They still haven't worked out what is meant by 'epidemic curve' yet.Alistair said:
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.0 -
Because companies can and should act quicker on their own discretion than governmental changes to the law that affect everyone.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.0 -
Because it is being suppressed to a low level.another_richard said:
But the 1s and 2s aren't turning into 10s and 20s - which suggests low levels of transmission when someone does have it.Malmesbury said:
The problem with that map is that it doesn't show history and the day-to-day changesanother_richard said:Really good info here on cases per local micro areas:
https://phe.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=47574f7a6e454dc6a42c5f6912ed7076
Its shows how most of the country is now effectively covid free - something which might bring relief to the house cowerers.
Even in infection hotspots the contrast between areas only a mile apart is striking.
What the following shows is that, yes, COVID is at very, very low levels in most of the country. But it isn't gone. Look at those 1 and 2s popping up at random. It's still there.....
The problem is asymptomatic cases - if someone doesn't know they have it, and passes it on to someone who doesn't get symptoms either... nothing above the surface.
This is what happened with the resurgence in Wuhan.
The idea that it will go away and we will all return to things as before is wrong. Unless there is a vaccine.1 -
Should the Civil Service have acted quicker than the government?Philip_Thompson said:
Because companies can and should act quicker on their own discretion than governmental changes to the law that affect everyone.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.0 -
All told, I would like to go back to the office, maybe WFH a few days a month.tlg86 said:
It's a very good question. I'm a little miffed that I wasn't told to work from home. We were told to take our laptops home just in case the guidance changed over night, but they only ever said speak to your line manager if you have any concerns. Not good.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.
The cynic in me thinks it's because they know that once the home working genie is out of the bottle, it's going to be very hard to put it back in. We could all be vaccinated against COVID-19 next year and the damage will be done, in my opinion.
I have to admit I do miss the office interactions with my staff.
Plus with WFH, I have a lot more distractions, like most of us with children under age of 14.
We all had an informal chat (a team of 12 of us) last week and most of us want to get back to the office when it is safe.
I think working in a city centre also has great attractions if you like shopping.0 -
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face0 -
My personal *guess* is that 2 big effects on transmission are -Alistair said:
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.
- people doing *some* personal distancing
- lockdown breaking up group meeting regularly, with people bridging between groups.0 -
To be fair, that's only when cask strength turnip juice is involved.rcs1000 said:0 -
IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
"Well they would, wouldn't they?" - Mandy Rice Davies0 -
Not a single member of my team wants to return to officeTheScreamingEagles said:
All told, I would like to go back to the office, maybe WFH a few days a month.tlg86 said:
It's a very good question. I'm a little miffed that I wasn't told to work from home. We were told to take our laptops home just in case the guidance changed over night, but they only ever said speak to your line manager if you have any concerns. Not good.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.
The cynic in me thinks it's because they know that once the home working genie is out of the bottle, it's going to be very hard to put it back in. We could all be vaccinated against COVID-19 next year and the damage will be done, in my opinion.
I have to admit I do miss the office interactions with my staff.
Plus with WFH, I have a lot more distractions, like most of us with children under age of 14.
We all had an informal chat (a team of 12 of us) last week and most of us want to get back to the office when it is safe.
I think working in a city centre also has great attractions if you like shopping.0 -
https://order-order.com/2020/07/16/lloyd-russell-moyle-resigns/
Shame he hasn't resigned as MP as well.
Anyone know what story was about to break about him? There is clearly something else going on.0 -
Weeeeeell, a "curve" in stats doesn't have to be continuous or actually curved.TheScreamingEagles said:
I enjoyed seeing something that is concurrently a curve and a plateau.Alistair said:
They still haven't worked out what is meant by 'epidemic curve' yet.Alistair said:
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.
So there's that. But the rest is still bollocks.1 -
and they want to avoid being suedPhilip_Thompson said:
Because companies can and should act quicker on their own discretion than governmental changes to the law that affect everyone.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.0 -
Boris' favourite movie scene
https://youtu.be/1CDlBLvc3YE
https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-the-godfather-favourite-movie-scene-89911660 -
Well I'm reminded of my A Level furthers Maths when I saw this.Malmesbury said:
Weeeeeell, a "curve" in stats doesn't have to be continuous or actually curved.TheScreamingEagles said:
I enjoyed seeing something that is concurrently a curve and a plateau.Alistair said:
They still haven't worked out what is meant by 'epidemic curve' yet.Alistair said:
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.
So there's that. But the rest is still bollocks.
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From chatting with work and other people, there are....TheScreamingEagles said:
All told, I would like to go back to the office, maybe WFH a few days a month.tlg86 said:
It's a very good question. I'm a little miffed that I wasn't told to work from home. We were told to take our laptops home just in case the guidance changed over night, but they only ever said speak to your line manager if you have any concerns. Not good.TheScreamingEagles said:
The firm I work for home provisions about 10-14 days before the 16th, so the question is why my firm and so many other firms were making WFH pretty much mandatory before the government did?TheWhiteRabbit said:The timeline is pretty straightforward:
Monday 16/03/2020 "Everyone should avoid gatherings with friends and family, as well as large gatherings and crowded places, such as pubs, clubs and theatres... work from home if you can" -BJ
Tuesday 17/03/2020 "We hope to keep deaths below 20,000" - Vallance; "although the measures already announced are extreme, we may need to go further and faster" (BJ) - London empties of commuters (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51929558)
Wednesday 18/03/2020 - Gov't announces all schools to close
Friday 20/03/2020 - Gov't announces restaurants, pubs and gyms to close
Monday 23/03/2020 - "From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home."
That was the week that was.
We area dealing with fine margins. Unfortunately for all concerned fine margins may have cost lives. But there is a lot of hindsight going on here.
The cynic in me thinks it's because they know that once the home working genie is out of the bottle, it's going to be very hard to put it back in. We could all be vaccinated against COVID-19 next year and the damage will be done, in my opinion.
I have to admit I do miss the office interactions with my staff.
Plus with WFH, I have a lot more distractions, like most of us with children under age of 14.
We all had an informal chat (a team of 12 of us) last week and most of us want to get back to the office when it is safe.
I think working in a city centre also has great attractions if you like shopping.
- a chunk of staff without proper facilities for home working. They want back to the office.
- a chunk who want to come in 1 or 2 days a week. A senior guy told me that he has people pleading with him - distance from the family :-)
- a chunk who live for Après Office - not finishing the day in the pub hurts.
All in all, I think we are looking at teams coming in 1-2 days a week. But nothing much before Christmas, currently.0 -
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I thought "misleading without actually lying" isn't so much a hanging offence for politicians as a job description?Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
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We're working on the assumption that we're not going back to the office until well into the New Year.Malmesbury said:
From chatting with work and other people, there are....
- a chunk of staff without proper facilities for home working. They want back to the office.
- a chunk who want to come in 1 or 2 days a week. A senior guy told me that he has people pleading with him - distance from the family :-)
- a chunk who live for Après Office - not finishing the day in the pub hurts.
All in all, I think we are looking at teams coming in 1-2 days a week. But nothing much before Christmas, currently.
One thing WFH has shown up the broadband divide.
At home I have a 350 Mbps cable connection, a 72 Mbps fibre connection, and a couple of mobile phone connections of circa 20 Mbps.
One of my staff has a 5 Mbps connection which she has two share with two other people, both of whom are currently furloughed.0 -
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bullocks?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well I'm reminded of my A Level furthers Maths when I saw this.Malmesbury said:
Weeeeeell, a "curve" in stats doesn't have to be continuous or actually curved.TheScreamingEagles said:
I enjoyed seeing something that is concurrently a curve and a plateau.Alistair said:
They still haven't worked out what is meant by 'epidemic curve' yet.Alistair said:
You need to read more Covid Data Wrangler twitter accounts and blogs.rcs1000 said:
@NerysHughes is obviously high on crack, given the staggeringly obvious correlations (globally) between lockdowns and plunging Rs. And then - lo - if you remove lockdowns all at once, guess what?, CV-19 comes back.williamglenn said:
One thing it does highlight is that @NerysHughes's theory that hand washing advice alone did the trick is not correct and ignores the context of an inevitable drift towards a full lockdown.rcs1000 said:
It's the difference between advice and compulsion. Only the most loony would describe it as a "straight lie".RobD said:
That's why the right choice is to SLOWLY remove restrictions, so you can make sure that R is not skyrocketing again. Because if you do it quickly, then you end up with another complete lockdown, which is far worse.
There is a vast body of evidence (not actually evidence) that lockdown had no effect at all on R and indeed everything that is happening now is a perfectly normal seasonally/latitude adjusted epidemic curve.
So there's that. But the rest is still bollocks.
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It hasn't been a good day for Labour has it. Mr Raab outed the Labour Party as colluding with the Russians at the GE to undermine Boris too!oxfordsimon said:https://order-order.com/2020/07/16/lloyd-russell-moyle-resigns/
Shame he hasn't resigned as MP as well.
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The Hammers get relegated because of a technology mistake involving Sheffield United and Villa.
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AFAIUI, Lewis is claiming that he never spoke to the Chief Whip, and that he doesn't use email and therefore didn't see an instruction from the CW.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
But even if he did see the email, failure to follow an instruction is not the same as lying.
Now, if he spoke to the Chief Whip (or another member of the Whips office), and told them (or led them to believe) that he would vote for Grayling, and then reneged, then that is a serious offence (although, one would note, not one that usually results in expulsion from the party).
But if he did not, then I find his expulsion troublesome, if ultimately forgiveable.
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If the government's first response was to claim Smith was lying when he was not, I'd think that was slightly more worrying. The reflexive tactic of claiming that your opponent is committing the sin of which you are in fact guilty is pure Trumpery - 'they're the real fascists/racists/opponents of democracy etc'.rcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.0 -
Getting rid of Moyle is a good day for Labour. He should never have been appointed to the shadow team in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
It hasn't been a good day for Labour has it. Mr Raab outed the Labour Party as colluding with the Russians at the GE to undermine Boris too!oxfordsimon said:https://order-order.com/2020/07/16/lloyd-russell-moyle-resigns/
Shame he hasn't resigned as MP as well.
Anyone know what story was about to break about him? There is clearly something else going on.
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Whom would you be inclined to believe ... ?rcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
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I don't see how upsetting JK Rowling and the entire population of Israel canoxfordsimon said:
Getting rid of Moyle is a good day for Labour. He should never have been appointed to the shadow team in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
It hasn't been a good day for Labour has it. Mr Raab outed the Labour Party as colluding with the Russians at the GE to undermine Boris too!oxfordsimon said:https://order-order.com/2020/07/16/lloyd-russell-moyle-resigns/
Shame he hasn't resigned as MP as well.
Anyone know what story was about to break about him? There is clearly something else going on.
His attempt to play the victim card in his resignation is, quite frankly, pathetic.
be seen as a good day for a party that Mr Raab has today implied was in league with Putin.0 -
I don't know anything about JK Rowling or Israel today, but getting rid of Moyle will hurt Labour about as much as getting rid of Grayling hurts the Tories.Mexicanpete said:
I don't see how upsetting JK Rowling and the entire population of Israel canoxfordsimon said:
Getting rid of Moyle is a good day for Labour. He should never have been appointed to the shadow team in the first place.Mexicanpete said:
It hasn't been a good day for Labour has it. Mr Raab outed the Labour Party as colluding with the Russians at the GE to undermine Boris too!oxfordsimon said:https://order-order.com/2020/07/16/lloyd-russell-moyle-resigns/
Shame he hasn't resigned as MP as well.
Anyone know what story was about to break about him? There is clearly something else going on.
His attempt to play the victim card in his resignation is, quite frankly, pathetic.
be seen as a good day for a party that Mr Raab has today implied was in league with Putin.0 -
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There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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The terrorist question should raise one of Priti's eyebrows.HYUFD said:https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1283812415008845825?s=20
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It's slightly less disgraceful when the games are happening at the same time and this is the culmination of a 38 game season. And Chelsea would be the "victims".TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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Chelsea eh? The only club whose fans who have racially/religiously abused me.tlg86 said:
It's slightly less disgraceful when the games are happening at the same time and this is the culmination of a 38 game season. And Chelsea would be the "victims".TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
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What's with your lack of connectivity?TheScreamingEagles said:
We're working on the assumption that we're not going back to the office until well into the New Year.Malmesbury said:
From chatting with work and other people, there are....
- a chunk of staff without proper facilities for home working. They want back to the office.
- a chunk who want to come in 1 or 2 days a week. A senior guy told me that he has people pleading with him - distance from the family :-)
- a chunk who live for Après Office - not finishing the day in the pub hurts.
All in all, I think we are looking at teams coming in 1-2 days a week. But nothing much before Christmas, currently.
One thing WFH has shown up the broadband divide.
At home I have a 350 Mbps cable connection, a 72 Mbps fibre connection, and a couple of mobile phone connections of circa 20 Mbps.
One of my staff has a 5 Mbps connection which she has two share with two other people, both of whom are currently furloughed.0 -
I don't want to see United gain, but don't care if Chelsea lose. Oh well.tlg86 said:
It's slightly less disgraceful when the games are happening at the same time and this is the culmination of a 38 game season. And Chelsea would be the "victims".TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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They're all at it.TheScreamingEagles said:He's just a poundshop Gordon Brown.
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Evening all
A slight difference of opinion between Johnson and Vallance:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53436865
I still think if the figures continue to look good, social distancing will be abandoned at the end of August and a big "let's get back to work" campaign will follow with Ministers telling us it is our "civic duty" to go back to the office.
That's when the fight will really begin.0 -
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.0 -
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The GOP is going to do everything in their power to fuck with the mail ballot at the upcoming Presidential election.
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Somehow it just seems right that he ended up in Epstein’s address book, whether he did anything to deserve it or not. Maybe one of Epstein’s (other) hobbies was looking up the contact details of other prominent creepy guys?Alistair said:0 -
And a corollaryAlistair said:The GOP is going to do everything in their power to fuck with the mail ballot at the upcoming Presidential election.
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Regarding Huawei, here's the component supply problem that the UK government is worried about.
TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Huawei-crackdown/TSMC-plans-to-halt-chip-supplies-to-Huawei-in-2-months
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I think Charles is overexerting himself in defence of hierarchy.Stuartinromford said:
Though any politician- let alone the current tenant of No 10- ought to be very careful before making misleading without actually lying a hanging offence.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
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The very first business in 1997 was to declare the Holyrood Parliament the continuation of that suspended in 1707. As Winnie Ewing formally declared, ‘The Scottish Parliament, which adjourned on March 25 1707, is hereby reconvened.’Charles said:FPT
Philosophically that’s an interesting question (I don’t have a view one way or the other).RochdalePioneers said:
Yes it can. How would rUK stop it? They won't just declare UDI. There will be an election. Then a referendum. Then a result. If the Scottish government is elected on a platform of Indyref2 and then Indyref2 votes for Independence what specifically can rUK do to stop it?RobD said:Scotland also cannot declare independence without the permission of the UK. The position is the same.
There are two Acts of Union - English and Scottish. The Scottish one was passed in the Scottish Parliament. It absolutely can be dissolved in the Scottish Parliament. Are you suggesting the British Army should be deployed to arrest the SNP leadership to prevent that from happening?
AIUI the Scottish Parliament decided to dissolve itself and merge with the Westminster Parliament with Scotland sending representatives to sit in the U.K. Parliament
Some years later, the U.K. parliament votes to create a devolved Parliament at Holyrood which has certain prescribed powers with other powers reserved to Westminster.
It does not follow that Holyrood is a recreation of the original Scottish Parliament, but it’s instead a devolved body from Westminster. Hence I don’t think that it can “just dissolve the Union”.
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The penny has just dropped and Vallance now realises he is the fall guy.stodge said:Evening all
A slight difference of opinion between Johnson and Vallance:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53436865
I still think if the figures continue to look good, social distancing will be abandoned at the end of August and a big "let's get back to work" campaign will follow with Ministers telling us it is our "civic duty" to go back to the office.
That's when the fight will really begin.0 -
I do wonder what China's response to TSMC blocking their national champion is going to be. At a stroke they've lost access to the most advanced process nodes at TSMC and Samsung. Chinese silicon fabrication is nowhere near that level and with the US sanctions in place it's going to be very, very difficult for them to get there without US help.glw said:Regarding Huawei, here's the component supply problem that the UK government is worried about.
TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months
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IF that is in fact the case, then isn't still the Chief Whip's job to have sussed that out?Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
In Profumo case, government could have saved itself a LOT of grief IF they had asked the minister the right questions - and enough of them - at the critical juncture. Instead, they rushed it & muffed it.
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I vaguely remember Coventry City and Bristol City doing the same thing back in the day.TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
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On the radio this morning they were saying that he’d made a commitment to vote for grayling. I suppose that could be a generalised commitment from being a member of the party...rcs1000 said:
AFAIUI, Lewis is claiming that he never spoke to the Chief Whip, and that he doesn't use email and therefore didn't see an instruction from the CW.Charles said:
Lewis has denied it, saying he never made a commitment to support Grayling. Note that isn’t quite what he has been accused ofrcs1000 said:The government claimed that Julian Lewis lied to the Chief Whip.
If that is not true, and he was expelled merely for the defying the government with regards to a non-governmental (and in theory independent) role, then that is an extraordinary step - a degree of control-freakery that Blair and Mandelson at their peak did not aspire to.
My guess is he misled the chief whip without *quite* lying to his face
But even if he did see the email, failure to follow an instruction is not the same as lying.
Now, if he spoke to the Chief Whip (or another member of the Whips office), and told them (or led them to believe) that he would vote for Grayling, and then reneged, then that is a serious offence (although, one would note, not one that usually results in expulsion from the party).
But if he did not, then I find his expulsion troublesome, if ultimately forgiveable.
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I think it's his foul on Battiston that you remember. That was at EURO 84.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
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I've no doubt that in 10 years time the most advanced processors, and most advanced fabs will be Chinese. China will get there at any cost. This was already the Chinese plan, US actions really have proved them right that they need to have a sovereign semiconductor industry.MaxPB said:
I do wonder what China's response to TSMC blocking their national champion is going to be. At a stroke they've lost access to the most advanced process nodes at TSMC and Samsung. Chinese silicon fabrication is nowhere near that level and with the US sanctions in place it's going to be very, very difficult for them to get there without US help.glw said:Regarding Huawei, here's the component supply problem that the UK government is worried about.
TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months
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That was a fabulous French side. At least the equal of the one that won the WC in 1998. The final ought to have been France v Brazil, rather than Germany V Italy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.0 -
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SMIC is not bad these days, and UMC continues to work with Huawei (for now). So I'm not convinced that Huawei will be slowed down that much.MaxPB said:
I do wonder what China's response to TSMC blocking their national champion is going to be. At a stroke they've lost access to the most advanced process nodes at TSMC and Samsung. Chinese silicon fabrication is nowhere near that level and with the US sanctions in place it's going to be very, very difficult for them to get there without US help.glw said:Regarding Huawei, here's the component supply problem that the UK government is worried about.
TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months
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Come now, that's not an issue for folk in Scotland to decide.Carnyx said:
The very first business in 1997 was to declare the Holyrood Parliament the continuation of that suspended in 1707. As Winnie Ewing formally declared, ‘The Scottish Parliament, which adjourned on March 25 1707, is hereby reconvened.’Charles said:FPT
Philosophically that’s an interesting question (I don’t have a view one way or the other).RochdalePioneers said:
Yes it can. How would rUK stop it? They won't just declare UDI. There will be an election. Then a referendum. Then a result. If the Scottish government is elected on a platform of Indyref2 and then Indyref2 votes for Independence what specifically can rUK do to stop it?RobD said:Scotland also cannot declare independence without the permission of the UK. The position is the same.
There are two Acts of Union - English and Scottish. The Scottish one was passed in the Scottish Parliament. It absolutely can be dissolved in the Scottish Parliament. Are you suggesting the British Army should be deployed to arrest the SNP leadership to prevent that from happening?
AIUI the Scottish Parliament decided to dissolve itself and merge with the Westminster Parliament with Scotland sending representatives to sit in the U.K. Parliament
Some years later, the U.K. parliament votes to create a devolved Parliament at Holyrood which has certain prescribed powers with other powers reserved to Westminster.
It does not follow that Holyrood is a recreation of the original Scottish Parliament, but it’s instead a devolved body from Westminster. Hence I don’t think that it can “just dissolve the Union”.
That’s not to saw that Scotland can’t go down UDI route if it wants to, but I don’t think it can claim to be acting within the law if it does0 -
Very impressive from Spain:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-53435505/spanish-king-leads-memorial-to-victims-of-covid-19
I'd like to think the more than 60,000 dead from Covid-19 in the UK won't be forgotten in the rush to get back to desks, Pret a Manger and the pub.
Instead of just showing as lines on a graph or a spreadsheet, each individual is a tragedy and we need to remember we haven't "won" a victory over the virus. The virus has beaten us - not just the dead but those whose health has been seriously and perhaps permanently affected even if they have survived the immediate crisis.1 -
No, it was the 82 semi-final. One wonders what VAR would have made of it.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I think it's his foul on Battiston that you remember. That was at EURO 84.TheScreamingEagles said:
I was 3 and three quarter years old at the time of the 1982 World Cup.matthiasfromhamburg said:
I remember that vividly, but were you even alive then?TheScreamingEagles said:
The disgrace of Gijón of all over again.tlg86 said:
There's a much more fun scenario developing in the race for the Top 4. Leicester win at Spurs, Man Utd win at Palace and at home to West Ham, and Chelsea lose at Liverpool. Those results would give Man Utd and Leicester a two point lead over Chelsea. Given both have a superior goal difference over Chelsea, a draw would be sufficient for both teams to make the Top 4.TheScreamingEagles said:Bugger.
The spanners are staying up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón
I do remember watching a few shows on that World Cup later in my life.
I think Harald Schumacher’s assault on the French player later in the tournament still makes me wince.0
