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edited July 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Susan Rice moves up sharply in the betting to be Biden’s running mate

Joe Biden has made it clear that he aims to announce who will be his running mate in early August so we could know who is going to be on the ticket with him in less than a month.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    First like Liverpool.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Second like Labour.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    Third, oh whats the point...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,160
    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,249
    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,337
    Normally a Presidential candidate will make a big deal of their VP choice - any excuse to win a bit of airtime - but I wonder whether there's a danger in that for Biden?

    It's become received wisdom that his VP pick is more important than normal, because his age make it more likely they will be called upon to take over. The more hoopla and hype there is around his VP pick the more that question comes to the fore - raising questions about his physical and mental capability for the job.

    I think there's a real danger for Biden with this.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,160
    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,249
    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    That would be funny.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,249
    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    I hate myself, but I like two Kanye West songs (Goldigga and Black Skinhead) but I've got a ton of a Cardassian/Kardashian puns ready for deployment.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,160
    edited July 2020
    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Or maybe Trump could choose Condoleezza Rice as his running mate

    to women call Rice should confuse the hell out of the Americans
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,249
    LostPassword said:

    Normally a Presidential candidate will make a big deal of their VP choice - any excuse to win a bit of airtime - but I wonder whether there's a danger in that for Biden?

    It's become received wisdom that his VP pick is more important than normal, because his age make it more likely they will be called upon to take over. The more hoopla and hype there is around his VP pick the more that question comes to the fore - raising questions about his physical and mental capability for the job.

    I think there's a real danger for Biden with this.

    It's inevitable and there is nothing he can do about it. If he picked someone as useless as Trump as his VP he would be saying, "are you willing to bet on me remaining compus, err, compus, err, you know what I mean, for the next 4 years?"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,249
    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Or maybe Trump could choose Condoleezza Rice as his running mate

    to women call Rice should confuse the hell out of the Americans
    Clearly a Chinese plot.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,160
    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    All of America benefits.

    Kim's butt can be carved in to Mt Rushmore
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,990
    edited July 2020
    delete
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,503
    Mr. Eagles, bloody spoonheads.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,341
    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    West
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,139
    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    I would say Trump, but only marginally, simply because I don't think West will get on the ballot in many states, and he's unlikely to be treated as a serious candidate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,139
    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Or maybe Trump could choose Condoleezza Rice as his running mate

    to women call Rice should confuse the hell out of the Americans
    Condoleeza Rice would be an excellent VP pick. But I don't think she'd do it, either for Trump or anyone else.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,160
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    you chose the wrong Uni. Cambridge does useful stuff for mankind whereas Oxford produces George Osborne
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Alanbrooke said:

    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    All of America benefits.

    Kim's butt can be carved in to Mt Rushmore
    Finally I will have an excuse to use this picture in thread headers.


  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,249
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    Its a bit of a mystery right enough, what with the burning crosses, Molotov cocktails and tramping around in the mud on hot nights. Good luck with that.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,866
    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Or maybe Trump could choose Condoleezza Rice as his running mate

    to women call Rice should confuse the hell out of the Americans
    I wouldn't put a change of VP past Trump, has a VP ever been dropped by a sitting president before?
    But if he's that desperate who would take it?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, bloody spoonheads.

    Garak is my all time favourite character from Star Trek.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    edited July 2020
    logical_song said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Or maybe Trump could choose Condoleezza Rice as his running mate

    to women call Rice should confuse the hell out of the Americans
    I wouldn't put a change of VP past Trump, has a VP ever been dropped by a sitting president before?
    But if he's that desperate who would take it?
    FDR dropped a VEEP or two.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,503
    Mr. Eagles, he's pretty damned good.

    When he's not being shot by Clint Eastwood.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    Its a bit of a mystery right enough, what with the burning crosses, Molotov cocktails and tramping around in the mud on hot nights. Good luck with that.
    Tramping around in the mud on hot nights in those sheets must be very uncomfortable.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Sunak profile in The Tatler:

    https://www.tatler.com/article/rishi-sunak-chancellor-of-the-exchequer-feature?sdk
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    you chose the wrong Uni. Cambridge does useful stuff for mankind whereas Oxford produces George Osborne
    George is a one man jobs miracle, he's got another job recently.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    Is Kanye running so that the tens of millions of Americans who can't abide Trump yet are unenthused by the 77 year old Biden have a real option?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,866
    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, bloody spoonheads.

    Garak is my all time favourite character from Star Trek.
    I should have gone into tailoring.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,538
    Isn't Susan Rice's son a Trump-supporting right-wing loon? Could get interesting.
  • xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz Posts: 44
    I would like to add to yesterdays debate on a wealth tax. A trust, like the Duke of Westminster's, pays 6% tax every 10 years. Instead of a wealth tax you could include business and farms in inheritance tax but cut the rate to 6% for everybody. That would bring in much more money than inheritance tax at 40%. Business and farms could borrow the 6% and pay it back over a generation. Trusts do not seem to complain about paying 6% every 10 years.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,866
    kinabalu said:

    Is Kanye running so that the tens of millions of Americans who can't abide Trump yet are unenthused by the 77 year old Biden have a real option?

    Cheap publicity, like Jordan standing for parliament?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    logical_song said:

    kinabalu said:

    Is Kanye running so that the tens of millions of Americans who can't abide Trump yet are unenthused by the 77 year old Biden have a real option?

    Cheap publicity, like Jordan standing for parliament?
    Katie Price missed an opportunity not standing as the Popular Front candidate in 2001.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Good news on infections

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1280164616228745216?s=20
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    rcs1000 said:

    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    I would say Trump, but only marginally, simply because I don't think West will get on the ballot in many states, and he's unlikely to be treated as a serious candidate.
    He might not get on the ballot but he may ask some uncomfortable questions re what the Democrats have done for the Black population. I certainly can't see it hurting Trump although there have been one or two polls suggesting younger Black voters are (relatively) more pro-Trump
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,631
    FPT about people having a "good" pandemic.

    No, it's been bloody horrible. OK so financially its actually benefitted my company (in that we still have one) but otherwise whats good about it. 50k+ dead and we're by no means done. Many more struggling to recover from it. Normal life stopped with many of these jobs and businesses gone for good. Many many of us have found it to be a harrowing challenging period mentally, others financially (#ExcludedUK campaign finally talking about the many people completely abandonded by this), others both.

    OK so there is some hope for the future. That we see some significant changes to how we live and work so that the environmental positives can be maintained, that the improved work / life balance can be maintained. Already though we see signs that the government wants status quo ante so that we can all be lined up ready to be thrown off the Brexit cliff.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Facts? Who needs em!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    LadyG said:

    Good news on infections

    https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1280164616228745216?s=20

    Don't suppose the test and trace might actually be working?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    I would say Trump, but only marginally, simply because I don't think West will get on the ballot in many states, and he's unlikely to be treated as a serious candidate.
    He might not get on the ballot but he may ask some uncomfortable questions re what the Democrats have done for the Black population. I certainly can't see it hurting Trump although there have been one or two polls suggesting younger Black voters are (relatively) more pro-Trump
    "Blonde and gone".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    I believe they do it by very strictly keeping their whites separate.
    That's a hit.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,581
    edited July 2020
    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being manged by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    World beating

    https://twitter.com/AndrewSparrow/status/1280112097872031745
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,491
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    From the England case data
    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    That is the Beta testing site....
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1280169280303177729

    We are fucked
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    edited July 2020
    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    You could delete "and Wales" and "throughout the life of the pandemic".

    I had thought Carlotta lived in Scotland, given the level of interest - but it now turns out [edit] she/he lives in the CIs (and has made some very interesting reports and comments on the situation there).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    England case data - from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

    Last 3-5 days are provisional. Last 5 days included for completeness

    image
    image
    image
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    Good for a bit of balance, don't you think?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,834
    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    I think in this case its a bit of a fact check on a false claim re Wales vs England (see the original).
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,135
    edited July 2020
    edit: my bad
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 2020
    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    You'll note it rebuts a tweet that Wales is doing particularly well - "much better shape than England".

    It's the nationalists I'm not overly fond of.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    edited July 2020
    snip
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    I would like to add to yesterdays debate on a wealth tax. A trust, like the Duke of Westminster's, pays 6% tax every 10 years. Instead of a wealth tax you could include business and farms in inheritance tax but cut the rate to 6% for everybody. That would bring in much more money than inheritance tax at 40%. Business and farms could borrow the 6% and pay it back over a generation. Trusts do not seem to complain about paying 6% every 10 years.

    An annual wealth tax of 0.58%. Lower than my current council tax bill :D.
    Sounds good to me.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    MaxPB said:

    edit: my bad

    You're reading it wrong


    It is showing the cases on all the preceding MONDAYS
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
    Nope, just scrapped the latest data at the main site.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,997
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1280169280303177729

    We are fucked

    We'll be really f@cked if he also has appointments to address the SNP and LD's.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    kinabalu said:

    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    I would say Trump, but only marginally, simply because I don't think West will get on the ballot in many states, and he's unlikely to be treated as a serious candidate.
    He might not get on the ballot but he may ask some uncomfortable questions re what the Democrats have done for the Black population. I certainly can't see it hurting Trump although there have been one or two polls suggesting younger Black voters are (relatively) more pro-Trump
    "Blonde and gone".
    Maybe RuPaul should stand and the two of them can fight it out for the third party vote
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,139
    edited July 2020
    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    contrarian said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    If West does run as in independent, who benefits out of the main two candidates?
    I would say Trump, but only marginally, simply because I don't think West will get on the ballot in many states, and he's unlikely to be treated as a serious candidate.
    He might not get on the ballot but he may ask some uncomfortable questions re what the Democrats have done for the Black population. I certainly can't see it hurting Trump although there have been one or two polls suggesting younger Black voters are (relatively) more pro-Trump
    But couldn't he ask those questions anyway? And mightn't he get further if people weren't laughing at him over a vanity Presidential run?

    I can't see it personally. I don't think there is a massive groundswell of young black Americans (or older ones for that matter) who are desperate for someone (anyone) to run just because they're black. Liking someone's music doesn't really seem like enough.

    If he did run, he wouldn't get into the debates, and he wouldn't get onto the ballot in most states, and it would cost him a lot of money for... for... for what exactly?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    BNO Passports:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3091764/immigration-firms-report-rush-hong-kong-bno-renewal-interest
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,139
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    I believe they do it by very strictly keeping their whites separate.
    *Claps*
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    We should too:

    On Friday, Canada became the first to suspend its extradition treaty with Hong Kong over what it said was the national security law’s disregard for Hong Kong’s “one country, two systems” framework of semi-autonomy and the city’s mini-constitution, the Basic Law.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3091960/international-call-halt-extradition-treaties-hong-kong-after
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,038
    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    Surely the 'Wales is in a much better position than England' comment in that tweet deserves to be refuted if it is false. Or are you only happy with news when it makes Westminster look bad?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    rcs1000 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    I believe they do it by very strictly keeping their whites separate.
    *Claps*
    Note that the whole bedsheet thing was an invention for the modern Klan - which was largely invented around the portrayal of the Klan in Birth of Nation.

    The original Klan looked more like this -

    image
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,135
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    Surely the 'Wales is in a much better position than England' comment in that tweet deserves to be refuted if it is false. Or are you only happy with news when it makes Westminster look bad?
    This is the whole argument from yesterday, Scotland = good, UK = bad. When in fact both have been utterly dogshit.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,593
    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    From the NHS Hospital deaths data - last 10 days.

    Last 3-5 data subject to revision. Last 5 days included for completeness

    image
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    Pulpstar said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    I would like to add to yesterdays debate on a wealth tax. A trust, like the Duke of Westminster's, pays 6% tax every 10 years. Instead of a wealth tax you could include business and farms in inheritance tax but cut the rate to 6% for everybody. That would bring in much more money than inheritance tax at 40%. Business and farms could borrow the 6% and pay it back over a generation. Trusts do not seem to complain about paying 6% every 10 years.

    An annual wealth tax of 0.58%. Lower than my current council tax bill :D.
    Sounds good to me.
    Oh wait, this will be "in addition to" council tax most likely D:
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,581
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
    OK, data is up to date and correct on that site.

    But it's not nearly as comprehensive as the "BETA testing" site.

    If all the data is available, why not update the other site? It was being updated every day until 3 days ago without any problems.

    It just smacks of complete hopelessness and incompetence.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    Malmesbury said:

    From the NHS Hospital deaths data - last 10 days.

    Last 3-5 data subject to revision. Last 5 days included for completeness

    image

    Full number rectangle with single figures (in base 9 even) only. Hopefully it'll look like a binomial table at some point.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    1) Because they figured out how to make the Model 3 profitably.
    2) They are selling cars with no advertising, and selling everything they can make
    3) This means that every time they build another factory - more profit.
    4) They seem to be ahead of all the other car makers on electric vehicles
    5) They are ahead on battery power storage
    6) Most of the western world in heading full tilt to get rid of ICE vehicles
    7) The legacy car makers are trying to catch up - and not doing especially well

    All of the above may not add up to $250 billion, but these are the reasons that it has gone that way.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,541
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
    OK, data is up to date and correct on that site.

    But it's not nearly as comprehensive as the "BETA testing" site.

    If all the data is available, why not update the other site? It was being updated every day until 3 days ago without any problems.

    It just smacks of complete hopelessness and incompetence.
    I find it hard to get that worked up about a site that is clearly labeled as being under development/testing.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    Nope but then again I struggled to understand how it was worth $50bn..
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1280169280303177729

    We are fucked

    Why?

    Having experts like the Governor address and inform our lawmakers seems sensible.

    Doing so in separate and private addresses to the parties does so in a way more likely to be informative and less likely to be partisan grandstanding like at Select Committees.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,367
    eek said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    Nope but then again I struggled to understand how it was worth $50bn..
    I'm still waiting for someone explain Bitcoin to me, which seems like a modern day tulip mania.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,411
    eek said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    Nope but then again I struggled to understand how it was worth $50bn..
    Lord only knows. Even Elon Musk reckons it's overvalued and it's his company.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    https://order-order.com/2020/07/06/zero-tolerance-starmer-to-take-zero-action-against-reed-labour-left-not-happy/

    Seems he played the person not the crime (RLB)

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    Malmesbury said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    I believe they do it by very strictly keeping their whites separate.
    *Claps*
    Note that the whole bedsheet thing was an invention for the modern Klan - which was largely invented around the portrayal of the Klan in Birth of Nation.

    The original Klan looked more like this -

    image
    That law abiding klansman looks like he's being terrorised in his own home by a black mob.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,352
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eek said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    Nope but then again I struggled to understand how it was worth $50bn..
    I'm still waiting for someone explain Bitcoin to me, which seems like a modern day tulip mania.
    Bitcoin is easy, that's a means of transferring money out of countries and collecting ransom demands.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Wonder if Boris will go to the US in the middle of Trump's re-election campaign?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-8495073/Trudeau-turns-White-House-invitation-amid-pandemic.html
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,352
    OldKingCole said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1280169280303177729

    We are fucked

    We'll be really f@cked if he also has appointments to address the SNP and LD's.
    He's probably going to tell them all the coffers are bare, and the next time a government fucks up, don't expect a bailout.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
    OK, data is up to date and correct on that site.

    But it's not nearly as comprehensive as the "BETA testing" site.

    If all the data is available, why not update the other site? It was being updated every day until 3 days ago without any problems.

    It just smacks of complete hopelessness and incompetence.
    I think it's the UK wide data that's incomplete. For example, Northern Ireland started (from Friday) to not provide updates on Saturday or Sunday, so those figures have to be updated post hoc. There are other differences in when data is reported in each nation of the UK so that may explain things. Speaking to this, if you click on the 'nation' or 'region' links the data can often be more recent.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    eek said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    Nope but then again I struggled to understand how it was worth $50bn..
    Is it the scenario whereby the world goes nuts for electric driverless "cars" and they have the inside track on making them?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,593
    Malmesbury said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    1) Because they figured out how to make the Model 3 profitably.
    2) They are selling cars with no advertising, and selling everything they can make
    3) This means that every time they build another factory - more profit.
    4) They seem to be ahead of all the other car makers on electric vehicles
    5) They are ahead on battery power storage
    6) Most of the western world in heading full tilt to get rid of ICE vehicles
    7) The legacy car makers are trying to catch up - and not doing especially well

    All of the above may not add up to $250 billion, but these are the reasons that it has gone that way.
    I've no financial background so you might have to forgive this but....

    How many cars would a mature low growth Tesla have to sell to justify that valuation?

    What percentage of the total EV market is a mature Tesla going to occupy?

    To my financial illiteracy this parabolic valuation seems to assume limited competition from all the other established auto makers.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,130
    edited July 2020
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Im hoping Trump picks Kanye West as his VP

    The internet will explode

    I hate myself, but I like two Kanye West songs (Goldigga and Black Skinhead) but I've got a ton of a Cardassian/Kardashian puns ready for deployment.
    Oh, that lovely singalong ditty.

    Now I’m not saying she’s a gold digga,
    But she ain’t playin’ with no broke n.....

    Err, I think I’ll stop there, if that’s okay.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    kinabalu said:

    Malmesbury said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    I believe they do it by very strictly keeping their whites separate.
    *Claps*
    Note that the whole bedsheet thing was an invention for the modern Klan - which was largely invented around the portrayal of the Klan in Birth of Nation.

    The original Klan looked more like this -

    image
    That law abiding klansman looks like he's being terrorised in his own home by a black mob.
    Yes - the Klan used blackface. That is, they used the old disguise used by criminals over the years - rubbing charcoal into their faces to disguise themselves.

    See the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Act_1723
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,914
    MaxPB said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    Surely the 'Wales is in a much better position than England' comment in that tweet deserves to be refuted if it is false. Or are you only happy with news when it makes Westminster look bad?
    This is the whole argument from yesterday, Scotland = good, UK = bad. When in fact both have been utterly dogshit.
    Sadly it only matters what people believe. They already believe the nations are much more different than they are, a bit like how people grossly overestimate the muslim population of the country.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
    OK, data is up to date and correct on that site.

    But it's not nearly as comprehensive as the "BETA testing" site.

    If all the data is available, why not update the other site? It was being updated every day until 3 days ago without any problems.

    It just smacks of complete hopelessness and incompetence.
    I find it hard to get that worked up about a site that is clearly labeled as being under development/testing.
    The data is all there on the original site.

    The main difference is the dynamic graph stuff. Which is in test.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    MikeL said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Gov.uk website for reporting tests, cases, deaths appears to have completely fallen apart.

    Not properly updated for 3 days and now a complete shambles.

    Data for cases - no daily figures for last 3 days - but cumulative total jumps today by 3 days worth.

    It literally looks as if the whole thing is being managed by someone struggling to pass a GCSE.

    https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/cases

    It mentions that it's still in the testing phase. Is it similarly bad here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ?
    OK, data is up to date and correct on that site.

    But it's not nearly as comprehensive as the "BETA testing" site.

    If all the data is available, why not update the other site? It was being updated every day until 3 days ago without any problems.

    It just smacks of complete hopelessness and incompetence.
    People who *complain* about the existence of bugs in Beta tests do not understand what Beta means.

    Beta's are there so that errors are found and *reported*.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,139
    MightyAlex said:

    Malmesbury said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    1) Because they figured out how to make the Model 3 profitably.
    2) They are selling cars with no advertising, and selling everything they can make
    3) This means that every time they build another factory - more profit.
    4) They seem to be ahead of all the other car makers on electric vehicles
    5) They are ahead on battery power storage
    6) Most of the western world in heading full tilt to get rid of ICE vehicles
    7) The legacy car makers are trying to catch up - and not doing especially well

    All of the above may not add up to $250 billion, but these are the reasons that it has gone that way.
    I've no financial background so you might have to forgive this but....

    How many cars would a mature low growth Tesla have to sell to justify that valuation?

    What percentage of the total EV market is a mature Tesla going to occupy?

    To my financial illiteracy this parabolic valuation seems to assume limited competition from all the other established auto makers.
    Proposition one: in the future, all cars will be electric.
    Proposition two: in tech, the winner (Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, etc.) utterly dominates returns.
    Proposition three: the electric car industry is part of the tech industry.

    If you believe all three, then Tesla is worth $250bn.

    I am sceptical about proposition three, which means proposition two doesn't apply.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    Malmesbury said:

    kinabalu said:

    Malmesbury said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    DavidL said:

    Susan Rice sounds interesting. Former NSA, ambassador to the UN, graduate of Oxford. I suspect her having a major role in the administration would put US/UK relations back onto some more like a normal footing.

    I see Biden's VP having a Cheney like influence on the administration as the boss gets ever more wandered. She looks like she would be up for that.

    Rhodes scholar

    probably linked to the KKK
    Possibly one of their more liberal branches...
    I've always wanted to join the KKK, I really want to know which washing powder they use to keep their sheets white.
    I believe they do it by very strictly keeping their whites separate.
    *Claps*
    Note that the whole bedsheet thing was an invention for the modern Klan - which was largely invented around the portrayal of the Klan in Birth of Nation.

    The original Klan looked more like this -

    image
    That law abiding klansman looks like he's being terrorised in his own home by a black mob.
    Yes - the Klan used blackface. That is, they used the old disguise used by criminals over the years - rubbing charcoal into their faces to disguise themselves.

    See the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Act_1723
    Ah ok. Interesting. Did not know that. So at least a genuine practical reason then. Not cultural appropriation.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,143
    MightyAlex said:

    Malmesbury said:

    MightyAlex said:

    logical_song said:

    Completely Off Topic
    Tesla stock going wild 1,331.30 + 122.64 (+10.15%)
    I bought a few at 820 six weeks ago, last October they were 250.

    Can anyone explain why Tesla is now valued at ~$250 billion?
    1) Because they figured out how to make the Model 3 profitably.
    2) They are selling cars with no advertising, and selling everything they can make
    3) This means that every time they build another factory - more profit.
    4) They seem to be ahead of all the other car makers on electric vehicles
    5) They are ahead on battery power storage
    6) Most of the western world in heading full tilt to get rid of ICE vehicles
    7) The legacy car makers are trying to catch up - and not doing especially well

    All of the above may not add up to $250 billion, but these are the reasons that it has gone that way.
    I've no financial background so you might have to forgive this but....

    How many cars would a mature low growth Tesla have to sell to justify that valuation?

    What percentage of the total EV market is a mature Tesla going to occupy?

    To my financial illiteracy this parabolic valuation seems to assume limited competition from all the other established auto makers.
    The valuation is too high - agreed.

    What I was pointing out is where the hype is coming from -

    If the legacy car industry continues to underperform and let Tesla expand, they will do to the legacy makers what Amazon did to bricks and mortar.

    At which point people start making absurd guesses as to what proportion of the EV market Tesla will own in the future.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,132
    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1280168773660663809?s=20

    Why do you feel the need to keep posting statistics to imply Scotland and Wales have performed poorly throughout the life of the pandemic? It seems a really peculiar thing to want to do.

    Just saying.
    Surely the 'Wales is in a much better position than England' comment in that tweet deserves to be refuted if it is false. Or are you only happy with news when it makes Westminster look bad?
    This is the whole argument from yesterday, Scotland = good, UK = bad. When in fact both have been utterly dogshit.
    Sadly it only matters what people believe. They already believe the nations are much more different than they are, a bit like how people grossly overestimate the muslim population of the country.
    Or of most minorities. That's my impression anyway.
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