Well, I am predicting now PM Keir Starmer in 2024.
Likewise. Amongst all the chaos, let us remember that by 2024 the Tories will have been in power for fourteen years. And they are presiding over a shitshow pandemic
Starmer is boring but electable. He will almost certainly win in 2024
He may become PM with LD and SNP support, he will almost certainly not win a majority
If he implements PR - which he should do - there will likely never be a Tory majority ever again
Labour always come up with electoral reform when they think they have no chance of winning. Too many people fall for that trick, Labour get a majority and then they back track. They always do that. Labour have no long-term vision.
That is why young HY is so wrong when he keeps on forecasting a Labour Government with Lib Dem support. We have learned that particular trick.
The LDs may not get PR from Labour but they will still vote for a Starmer premiership and return to the single market over a Boris premiership and WTO terms.
The LDs were willing to make Cameron PM, they will not keep Boris in No 10 though
Cummings could have easily done the same & by the end of summer he would have been back...and the Tories would still have another 10% more in the polls.
One thing that hasn't been talked about much amid the economic morass is productivity. It's my hunch that it will be down considerably to add to all those who aren't even working.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
Many said an apology would have been fine, others the truth would have been fine instead of blatant lies. And doubt many would have an issue if he got demoted a couple of levels to advise on just DVLA rules or UK-EU equivalence for opticians.
Cummings could have easily done the same & by the end of summer he would have been back...and the Tories would still have another 10% more in the polls.
But at least this exposes the grotesque hypocrisy of the Left. Again.
Don't be so disingenuous. The point about Cummings is he wrote the rules the rest of us followed. The blatant lies about eye tests on the wife's birthday don't help but it is the hypocrisy that is, or rather that ought to be, the killer.
The Labour whip is no longer a whip. The thriller writer who has mysteriously relocated from the Welsh seaside to Regent's Park can still pick up a pen.
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Labour were demanding Cummings was sacked from his job
Rosie is still an mp so Starmer double standards then
Big G, I don't think that's quite right. Starmer was canny enough not to demand his resignation. He said he would have sacked him, but thats not quite the same.
Truth is Starmer is delighted Cummings is still in post, so it's a cynical stance, but a shrewd one.
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Imagine if he had stepped down and all this comes out then gets to take the moral high ground.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.
Of course. Because it is. This was all hatched in the civil service: Remainer central. Bring down Cummings, expose a very weakened Boris, force him to get a massive extension to the transition. Boris probably falls thereafter.
Once that's all done, conduct a plan to keep Britain more or less inside the EU, which is so much easier if we are still, in fact, inside the EU, in practise if not in law.
The idea that scheming Remainers would blush to think of such a thing is pathologically naive.
About as plausible as the plot of an S.K Tremayne novel I reckon.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Really.
It just looks like a stitch up
Of course. Because it is. This was all hatched in the civil service: Remainer central. Bring down Cummings, expose a very weakened Boris, force him to get a massive extension to the transition. Boris probably falls thereafter.
Once that's all done, conduct a plan to keep Britain more or less inside the EU, which is so much easier if we are still, in fact, inside the EU, in practise if not in law.
The idea that scheming Remainers would blush to think of such a thing is pathologically naive.
Well big dom certainly has a lot of enemies. The question is now, will big dom take revenge if he perceives he has been plotted against.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Really.
It just looks like a stitch up
I feel vindicated.
I think you need your eyes checked.
Quick, hop in the car with your wife and child in the back and drive 60pmh along winding country roads.
One thing that hasn't been talked about much amid the economic morass is productivity. It's my hunch that it will be down considerably to add to all those who aren't even working.
There will presumably be a large adjustment for furloughed workers (unemployed don't count).
The Guardian and the Mirror who IIRC ran with the second trip to Durham story might need their lawyers soon. All too often, the media run stories without properly authenticating them.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.
I have never called for Cummings to go.
You may not have but plenty of others have. You're happy to say you're content to see Rosie keep her job and continue to be paid in full. Where you so quick to say the same about Cummings?
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
As for Rosie Duffield (whoever she is): Sir Keir obviously can't sack her as an MP but he'd be shrewd to withdraw the whip. Presumably (as happened with Howard Flight) this would mean that she couldn't stand as a Labour candidate again. That would earn him some useful brownie points.
It's owned by Comcast, since when were they pro left?
LOLOLOLOL. Watch Sky News and listen to the dribble that comes out of Burley and Rigby in particular. I thought UK broadcasting was supposed to be impartial. It falls well short of that standard
The Guardian and the Mirror who IIRC ran with the second trip to Durham story might need their lawyers soon. All too often, the media run stories without properly authenticating them.
Lets not forget the Guardian did the same over Coulson / NOTW re the milly Dowler story.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
How has the ex Chemistry teacher been "found out"?
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
Of course. Because it is. This was all hatched in the civil service: Remainer central. Bring down Cummings, expose a very weakened Boris, force him to get a massive extension to the transition. Boris probably falls thereafter.
Once that's all done, conduct a plan to keep Britain more or less inside the EU, which is so much easier if we are still, in fact, inside the EU, in practise if not in law.
The idea that scheming Remainers would blush to think of such a thing is pathologically naive.
About as plausible as the plot of an S.K Tremayne novel I reckon.
Cummings could have easily done the same & by the end of summer he would have been back...and the Tories would still have another 10% more in the polls.
But at least this exposes the grotesque hypocrisy of the Left. Again.
Don't be so disingenuous. The point about Cummings is he wrote the rules the rest of us followed. The blatant lies about eye tests on the wife's birthday don't help but it is the hypocrisy that is, or rather that ought to be, the killer.
The Labour whip is no longer a whip. The thriller writer who has mysteriously relocated from the Welsh seaside to Regent's Park can still pick up a pen.
Bollocks. One rule for the little people another rule for this Labour MP, Stephen Kinnock, etc etc etc etc, on and on and on
Cummings is not the little people. Cummings wrote the rules. That's the difference.
There have been at least three of these for parts of the Borough in the past four weeks.
I've noted on here the section of the population for whom lockdown has meant nothing is or are young men and that transcends race, colour and /or creed. I've seen groups of both young East European and Tamil men out and about.
I was in Regent's Park today and there were, in places, groups of 30-50 people having impromptu parties.
They were mostly white and looked rather well heeled. They were all quite young.
The Guardian and the Mirror who IIRC ran with the second trip to Durham story might need their lawyers soon. All too often, the media run stories without properly authenticating them.
Lets not forget the Guardian did the same over Coulson / NOTW re the milly Dowler story.
As did the Mirror under Piers Morgan with the British army "abuse photos"
And of course Piers never saw his team become the european champions of phone hacking in the same way as Arsene Wenger never saw any member of his team foul an opposition player.
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
The majority would be solely to block indyref2 on which Scottish Labour and the Scottish LDs and the Scottish Tories agree.
On Scottish domestic policy they do not agree, indeed Scottish Labour are closer to the SNP than the Tories on that
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
It was the report that Cummings had gone a second time that was the trigger for me to lose it with him
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
Unfortunately, the troubles of Dom and Boris don't hinge around what these 'witnesses' have said or done. Remove the witnesses and there is still no redemption. But if it makes you feel better to think otherwise I won't stand in your way.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.
I have never called for Cummings to go.
You may not have but plenty of others have. You're happy to say you're content to see Rosie keep her job and continue to be paid in full. Where you so quick to say the same about Cummings?
Cummings is still in the job. If he stays, Rosie should stay.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
How has the ex Chemistry teacher been "found out"?
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?
He was actively in breach of lockdown himself. Can you not see the hypocrisy
An interesting subplot in all this is how the Mail on Sunday is giving the Daily Mail a discreet kicking.
People presume they are basically the same paper, like the Guardian/Observer. They are not. They are often fierce rivals, certainly at the top editorial level.
Brexit, Daily Mail vs MoS, was chalk and cheese. Now the editor of the MoS, is editor of the main paper and it is distinctly more hostile to the government. Even before Cummings, they were one of the most critical papers of the governments handling of coronavirus.
Look at the timing of this scandal. The Guardian sat on this story for weeks.
Now the end of June is in sight. At which point - many think - it will become too late for the UK to extend the transition. Brexit is finally sealed, and delivered, and it is Hard.
It is a Machiavellian plot worthy of Peter Mandelson himself. In fact, I reckon this is his doing
If I were being Machiavellian I'd say tonight's Mail on Sunday pieces were orchestrated by CCHQ as part of their "fightback" strategy.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
Starmer's tepid response to DurhamGate is, in retrospect, very telling. My guess is that far more senior figures than "Rosie Duffield" have probably transgressed, maybe quite badly. And he knows it.
Starmer said he would have sacked Cummings. He should now withdraw the whip from Duffield.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
Quite right. But it does act as a kind of placebo for Boris's admirers, and they've been having a pretty grim time of it recently. My sense of humanity makes me permit them to seek relief wherever they can.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
It was the report that Cummings had gone a second time that was the trigger for me to lose it with him
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks
No other architects of the lockdown will be shown to have flouted it themselves.
Cummings and Johnson have the nerve to bleat on about an entrenched elite when they are the very personification of 'elite'. Cummings' Durham actions and Johnson's protection of him simply confirm the suspicion that they don't really think the rules apply to them. It won't be forgotten.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
He didn't break quarantine rules. Durham Police cleared him of that allegation.
Look at the timing of this scandal. The Guardian sat on this story for weeks.
Now the end of June is in sight. At which point - many think - it will become too late for the UK to extend the transition. Brexit is finally sealed, and delivered, and it is Hard.
It is a Machiavellian plot worthy of Peter Mandelson himself. In fact, I reckon this is his doing
If I were being Machiavellian I'd say tonight's Mail on Sunday pieces were orchestrated by CCHQ as part of their "fightback" strategy.
Possibly, but this is where Dom's "Westminster bubble" theory works against him.
"Dom is selfish and dishonest, but the PM is too weak to sack him" was the story that cut through to the public.
"Other people broke the rules too" might break out, but is likely to get stuck in the bubble.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
Vulnerable people in England who have been asked to remain at home since the coronavirus lockdown began are to be allowed outdoors once a day with members of their household from Monday.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
Look at the timing of this scandal. The Guardian sat on this story for weeks.
Now the end of June is in sight. At which point - many think - it will become too late for the UK to extend the transition. Brexit is finally sealed, and delivered, and it is Hard.
It is a Machiavellian plot worthy of Peter Mandelson himself. In fact, I reckon this is his doing
If I were being Machiavellian I'd say tonight's Mail on Sunday pieces were orchestrated by CCHQ as part of their "fightback" strategy.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
It was the report that Cummings had gone a second time that was the trigger for me to lose it with him
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks
A report that was a fictional lie.
So given that it was a lie that made you lose it are you rowing back now on your losing it?
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
How has the ex Chemistry teacher been "found out"?
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?
He was actively in breach of lockdown himself. Can you not see the hypocrisy
Well, we were going to convict him of murder what with him admitting to it and all but the initial witness once daubed graffiti on a wall so we'll have to let him off.
According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
I accept there is a Nationalist majority now at Holyrood of SNP and Greens.
However if SCon and SLab and SLDs have a majority combined next year there will be a Unionist majority at Holyrood for the first time since 2011.
A Unionist majority is there solely to block indyref2.
I am English, Scottish domestic policy does not interest me and it does not bother me if Sturgeon is First Minister.
However I am also British and a Unionist and keeping Scotland in the UK and avoiding a Nationalist majority at Holyrood is important to me
As for Rosie Duffield (whoever she is): Sir Keir obviously can't sack her as an MP but he'd be shrewd to withdraw the whip. Presumably (as happened with Howard Flight) this would mean that she couldn't stand as a Labour candidate again. That would earn him some useful brownie points.
Extramarital nookie? I am afraid I could not now vote for her were I to live in Canterbury.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priority
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Resigning from the front bench, and apologising is enough.
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.
He made the rules and then ignored them.
She and Kinnock are hypocrites
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
He didn't break quarantine rules. Durham Police cleared him of that allegation.
"Do not leave home if you or anyone in your household has symptoms."
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Losing her front bench job sounds fine - Im sure most would accept a big demotion for Cummings?
premiership and return to the single market over a Boris premiership and WTO terms.
The LDs were willing to make Cameron PM, they will not keep Boris in No 10 though
When will the by election be then?
The Labour whip is no longer a whip. The thriller writer who has mysteriously relocated from the Welsh seaside to Regent's Park can still pick up a pen.
Producer/Director include 'Brexit: Who's in Charge?', a fast turnaround film for BBC Panorama that was made in 2 weeks.
So he won't get mentioned much.
It just looks like a stitch up
Hence no hypocrisy.
Truth is Starmer is delighted Cummings is still in post, so it's a cynical stance, but a shrewd one.
It's that he didn't apologise, didn't suffer any penalty, that is the problem here.
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
Quick, hop in the car with your wife and child in the back and drive 60pmh along winding country roads.
Yes, definitely not partisan driven though processes at pay here.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
On Scottish domestic policy they do not agree, indeed Scottish Labour are closer to the SNP than the Tories on that
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I wonder how Orange Man is going to react.
Cummings and Johnson have the nerve to bleat on about an entrenched elite when they are the very personification of 'elite'. Cummings' Durham actions and Johnson's protection of him simply confirm the suspicion that they don't really think the rules apply to them. It won't be forgotten.
"Dom is selfish and dishonest, but the PM is too weak to sack him" was the story that cut through to the public.
"Other people broke the rules too" might break out, but is likely to get stuck in the bubble.
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
So given that it was a lie that made you lose it are you rowing back now on your losing it?
What a strange world we are living in
Keep safe folks
However if SCon and SLab and SLDs have a majority combined next year there will be a Unionist majority at Holyrood for the first time since 2011.
A Unionist majority is there solely to block indyref2.
I am English, Scottish domestic policy does not interest me and it does not bother me if Sturgeon is First Minister.
However I am also British and a Unionist and keeping Scotland in the UK and avoiding a Nationalist majority at Holyrood is important to me
He makes me think of Charles Manson, it wouldn't surprise me if he wants a race war.
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-52864454
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection
It took a while, but all the usual suspects have fallen for a wind up again
I worry for America.