Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When's the by election?
I suspect she won't even lose the whip let alone have a by election. So much for Starmer saying he would sack someone from their job for this.
No need for a bye election. But the sheen falls easily from super public school built on mummy and daddy money Starmer. Yes he's 10 times better than Corbyn but won't ever be PM
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
Curious. The worst you can say here is that he acted like Cummings. But then if he's acted like Cummings and is guilty then Cummings is guilty too, and I thought that's what the article was supposed to put in doubt. I'm not sure this will really do Dom or Boris any favours.
Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When's the by election?
I suspect she won't even lose the whip let alone have a by election. So much for Starmer saying he would sack someone from their job for this.
I’m sure Starmer said he would have sacked Cummings, rather than anyone. But hey, I know you’re only anal and pedantic when it suits.
Ah right so Starmer reckons he would have sacked Cummings, though of course he can't as Cummings isn't his employee . . . but Rosie who is in his party should not just keep her job as an MP but should keep Starmer's endorsement via carrying the Labour whip?
Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When's the by election?
I suspect she won't even lose the whip let alone have a by election. So much for Starmer saying he would sack someone from their job for this.
I’m sure Starmer said he would have sacked Cummings, rather than anyone. But hey, I know you’re only anal and pedantic when it suits.
Ah right so Starmer reckons he would have sacked Cummings, though of course he can't as Cummings isn't his employee . . . but Rosie who is in his party should not just keep her job as an MP but should keep Starmer's endorsement via carrying the Labour whip?
Starmer is a hypocrite.
I’m not having this conversation with you. You’re just ignoring the obvious difference between someone who wrote the rules imposing a huge burden on the rest of us breaking them, and someone else breaking them who had no input in the rules.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
Trump will play the card Nixon did in 1968 and 1972, you may not like me but I will preserve law and order and national security unlike the weak Democrats
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
Curious. The worst you can say here is that he acted like Cummings. But then if he's acted like Cummings and is guilty then Cummings is guilty too, and I thought that's what the article was supposed to put in doubt. I'm not sure this will really do Dom or Boris any favours.
Well indeed, Cummings, by his own admission is still guilty of breaching quarantine (London to Durham) and then lockdown ( Durham to Barnard Castle). It’s the hypocrisy that’s done the damage not the witness testimony.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
Curious. The worst you can say here is that he acted like Cummings. But then if he's acted like Cummings and is guilty then Cummings is guilty too, and I thought that's what the article was supposed to put in doubt. I'm not sure this will really do Dom or Boris any favours.
Well indeed, Cummings, by his own admission is still guilty of breaching quarantine (London to Durham) and then lockdown ( Durham to Barnard Castle). It’s the hypocrisy that’s done the damage not the witness testimony.
Yes, some posters on here are acting as if Cummings didn't make those trips at all now!
Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When's the by election?
I suspect she won't even lose the whip let alone have a by election. So much for Starmer saying he would sack someone from their job for this.
I’m sure Starmer said he would have sacked Cummings, rather than anyone. But hey, I know you’re only anal and pedantic when it suits.
Ah right so Starmer reckons he would have sacked Cummings, though of course he can't as Cummings isn't his employee . . . but Rosie who is in his party should not just keep her job as an MP but should keep Starmer's endorsement via carrying the Labour whip?
Starmer is a hypocrite.
I’m not having this conversation with you. You’re just ignoring the obvious difference between someone who wrote the rules imposing a huge burden on the rest of us breaking them, and someone else breaking them who had no input in the rules.
Stop being so dishonest.
Look at her Twitter page, specifically the picture across the top.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
You may be right. But riots now in election year are far more likely to have an effect on this year's election than 'man drives car' will have an effect on an election not due for another four years.
The US police always seem poorly prepared to deal with disturbances. They have known all this was coming and yet they don't seem to have plans to contain / kettle the mob.
In the UK, the plod were initially shit during the london riots, caught off guars and they went far too soft. But 2 days and then they got shit clamped down.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
Ok HYUFD you have previously been acknowledged on this site as an expert on USA and to be honest I know * all. So I hope you are right.
My gut is Hillary appealed more to the coastal upper middle class than Biden will but Biden appeals more to the white working class in the rustbelt swing states than she did
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
Curious. The worst you can say here is that he acted like Cummings. But then if he's acted like Cummings and is guilty then Cummings is guilty too, and I thought that's what the article was supposed to put in doubt. I'm not sure this will really do Dom or Boris any favours.
Well indeed, Cummings, by his own admission is still guilty of breaching quarantine (London to Durham) and then lockdown ( Durham to Barnard Castle). It’s the hypocrisy that’s done the damage not the witness testimony.
Like your moniker by the way. Are you a resident? My dad often speaks fondly of an old colleague who used to live there.
And entirely deserved. Did she expect to hit cops without any comeback? She's lucky she wasn't shot dead, given where we are and where this is.
This guy is interesting. He is relaying lots of social media on the protests. I was convinced, for about half an hour, that he is either fake or a parody, he just looks too much like every right-winger's wet-dream of a cucked beta hipster social justice warrior, right down to the sad beard and geeky specs.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
Curious. The worst you can say here is that he acted like Cummings. But then if he's acted like Cummings and is guilty then Cummings is guilty too, and I thought that's what the article was supposed to put in doubt. I'm not sure this will really do Dom or Boris any favours.
I, as a member of the elite, did not break the rules.
You, as a lowly order person, did break the rules.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
Ok HYUFD you have previously been acknowledged on this site as an expert on USA and to be honest I know * all. So I hope you are right.
My gut is Hillary appealed more to the coastal upper middle class than Biden will but Biden appeals more to the white working class in the rustbelt swing states than she did
Yes I agree. I just wonder if Biden is up to it. He is a failed candidate from 1988. I think his time has gone.
I think Duffield should probably resign as an MP. Her breach has been both flagrant and as an MP she has power over the laws of the country, so best not to break a huge piece of health guidance in the middle of a pandemic. That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
You may be right. But riots now in election year are far more likely to have an effect on this year's election than 'man drives car' will have an effect on an election not due for another four years.
Agreed.
But if the man who drove the car is still around in 4 years time I suspect he will have an effect, and not a positive one for the Tories.
CNN are hilariously in their attempts to play down the violence. 10 police vehicles smashed up, one on fire, and the CNN reporter is going well, well, nobody has looted Trader Joes, they only spray painted it.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
You may be right. But riots now in election year are far more likely to have an effect on this year's election than 'man drives car' will have an effect on an election not due for another four years.
Agreed.
But if the man who drove the car is still around in 4 years time I suspect he will have an effect, and not a positive one for the Tories.
Possibly, though how the government performs over the next 4 years will matter more. If the man who drove the car helps the government do a good job over the next 4 years then that good may outweigh the negatives now.
I think Duffield should probably resign as an MP. Her breach has been both flagrant and as an MP she has power over the laws of the country, so best not to break a huge piece of health guidance in the middle of a pandemic. That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
Well, voters can get rid of Duffield in due course if they wish; not so Cummings.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
Ok HYUFD you have previously been acknowledged on this site as an expert on USA and to be honest I know * all. So I hope you are right.
My gut is Hillary appealed more to the coastal upper middle class than Biden will but Biden appeals more to the white working class in the rustbelt swing states than she did
Yes I agree. I just wonder if Biden is up to it. He is a failed candidate from 1988. I think his time has gone.
I may be wrong!
"I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands."
I think Duffield should probably resign as an MP. Her breach has been both flagrant and as an MP she has power over the laws of the country, so best not to break a huge piece of health guidance in the middle of a pandemic. That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
Sir Keir should withdraw the whip. It would win him some moral plaudits. More cynically he doesn't want a tainted candidate fighting a marginal. Her antics will certainly be mentioned in the campaign and could be decisive.
I think Duffield should probably resign as an MP. Her breach has been both flagrant and as an MP she has power over the laws of the country, so best not to break a huge piece of health guidance in the middle of a pandemic. That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
What are the odds she resigns as an MP?
If she doesn't what are the odds that Starmer removes the whip from her?
Or will she keep her job as an MP and will Starmer continue to endorse her doing so?
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
I fear that by October Covid-19 wave 2 will be totally dominating the news in the US.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
I have good friends in Portland, who are definitely left of centre and hate Trump, but they are sick and tired of Antifia twats smashing up downtown every other weekend. Last night they were looting places like Luis Vuitton...obviously that's were you go when you are fighting police injustice....
Its absolutely plays into Trumps narrative, who is already playing the look at these weak liberal Mayor's who just excuse the violence.
He added he was "200 miles away" in London at the time. He has just come out as gay, so I presume he might be separated from his wife, whose birthday party it was.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
Silent majority election coming up. With a decent smattering of china-hate.
I think Duffield should probably resign as an MP. Her breach has been both flagrant and as an MP she has power over the laws of the country, so best not to break a huge piece of health guidance in the middle of a pandemic. That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
Well, voters can get rid of Duffield in due course if they wish; not so Cummings.
Neither make great stories though.
Nite all.
So there's nothing the electorate can do to get rid of Cummings?
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
I fear that by October Covid-19 wave 2 will be totally dominating the news in the US.
At this rate, the second wave will be starting in about 10 days time.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
I fear that by October Covid-19 wave 2 will be totally dominating the news in the US.
At this rate, the second wave will be starting in about 10 days time.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
I fear that by October Covid-19 wave 2 will be totally dominating the news in the US.
At this rate, the second wave will be starting in about 10 days time.
Many of them seem to have got the memo to be outside and wearing masks . . .
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
I fear that by October Covid-19 wave 2 will be totally dominating the news in the US.
At this rate, the second wave will be starting in about 10 days time.
Many of them seem to have got the memo to be outside and wearing masks . . .
Just not the bit about maintaining social distancing, not shouting and screaming, and watching what you touch....
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
Silent majority election coming up. With a decent smattering of china-hate.
Trump will be happy to let this go so far, then send in the big boys and be able to say look at what happens when you let these appeasing liberal Democratic mayors give people space to vent. You need me.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Please explain her integral role in drafting the Government’s COVID-19 strategy (whatever it is today).
All politicians and policy makers should be absolutely beyond reproach during this pandemic. At best such breaches sow confusion, at worst they actually provide alibies for those itching to commit infractions. Cummings and Duffield should both fall on their swords if they had a iota of responsibility.
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.
I worry for America.
I don't want Trump to win but it is quite apparent that he will.
In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
I disagree, I think the EC will be neck and neck but Trump might win the popular vote this time.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
I cannot see the current riots having the slightest effect on an election that is over 5 months away.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
Barmy
This is the first story that's taken corona off the very top of the headlines, since late March maybe. It reminds middle America why they hate Democrat America, even as they feel guilty about racially divided America.
It will resonate for many months, and it is not over yet
Silent majority election coming up. With a decent smattering of china-hate.
I think Duffield should probably resign as an MP. Her breach has been both flagrant and as an MP she has power over the laws of the country, so best not to break a huge piece of health guidance in the middle of a pandemic. That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
The Duffield case appears significantly worse than Cummings' indescretion. This has a moral dimension and is on a par with Ferguson and he had to go.
Starmer has done nothing! Very, very disappointing.
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Please explain her integral role in drafting the Government’s COVID-19 strategy (whatever it is today).
All politicians and policy makers should be absolutely beyond reproach during this pandemic. At best such breaches sow confusion, at worst they actually provide alibies for those itching to commit infractions. Cummings and Duffield should both fall on their swords if they had a iota of responsibility.
Yes both the executive and the legislature need to be whiter than white in this pandemic.
The cop is rightly on a murder charge for FLoyd. What do these people want ?
Here's some actual working class black people giving their view on the twin terrors of the reality of being black when facing the police and the antifa loons.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
A 19-year-old man has died in Detroit after shots were fired into a crowd of people protesting against the death of unarmed black man George Floyd in Minneapolis.
This is the English Plasma Screen Riots, but on the much bigger scale of the USA, and with billions of guns, a global pandemic, unprecedented unemployment, vicious race war, and a totally demented president, in the mix
Indeed. And we want to come to verbal fisticuffs about who should quit over breaching lockdown. Compared to the US we are a nation at ease with ourselves.
This is the English Plasma Screen Riots, but on the much bigger scale of the USA, and with billions of guns, a global pandemic, unprecedented unemployment, vicious race war, and a totally demented president, in the mix
The cop is rightly on a murder charge for FLoyd. What do these people want ?
Here's some actual working class black people giving their view on the twin terrors of the reality of being black when facing the police and the antifa loons.
Black American anger is being hijacked by anarchist scum. What a mess.
See the footage of Portland last night, it is overwhelming young white individuals dressed in standard anarchist outfits, in one of the least diverse cities in the US, smashing and looting high end stores and banks, before tagging them and setting fire to them.
Square root of f##k all to do with a black man dying after police mistreatment.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
The cop is rightly on a murder charge for FLoyd. What do these people want ?
Here's some actual working class black people giving their view on the twin terrors of the reality of being black when facing the police and the antifa loons.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
Suspicious.
And against their readership who remain incandescent.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasions
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."
Curious. The worst you can say here is that he acted like Cummings. But then if he's acted like Cummings and is guilty then Cummings is guilty too, and I thought that's what the article was supposed to put in doubt. I'm not sure this will really do Dom or Boris any favours.
Well indeed, Cummings, by his own admission is still guilty of breaching quarantine (London to Durham) and then lockdown ( Durham to Barnard Castle). It’s the hypocrisy that’s done the damage not the witness testimony.
Yes, some posters on here are acting as if Cummings didn't make those trips at all now!
Quite. People are arguing about the details/ numbers of breaches (see £350 million a week to the EU argument about gross v. net) but the important point is the events happened. And the principle/hypocrisy stays in the public consciousness the more the argument rumbles on. The irony of this hostile media strategy shouldn’t be lost on Cummings. PB Tories and the journalists of the MOS should give it a rest; they’re throwing fuel on the fire.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
Wasn't it common knowledge he was off work with CV 19 at the time?
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
Wasn't it common knowledge he was off work with CV 19 at the time?
But not where he was. I am sure some people in government machine had to know for various reasons and when he came back I am sure further people were informed.
This is the English Plasma Screen Riots, but on the much bigger scale of the USA, and with billions of guns, a global pandemic, unprecedented unemployment, vicious race war, and a totally demented president, in the mix
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
Wasn't it common knowledge he was off work with CV 19 at the time?
But not where he was. I am sure some people in government machine had to know for various reasons and when he came back I am sure further people were informed.
Ah I see what you mean. However, there is also the possibility he was just spotted as a local minor celebrity. I live very near a former senior member of the Labour Cabinet up here in the NE. Everyone knows where he lives, as, I presume many in Durham will know where the Cummings family home is. If said person had still been in government yet up here during lockdown, the entire village would have known soon enough believe me. Standing up the story may explain the delay.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
Wasn't it common knowledge he was off work with CV 19 at the time?
But not where he was. I am sure some people in government machine had to know for various reasons and when he came back I am sure further people were informed.
Ah I see what you mean. However, there is also the possibility he was just spotted as a local minor celebrity. I live very near a former senior member of the Labour Cabinet up here in the NE. Everyone knows where he lives, as, I presume many in Durham will know where the Cummings family home is. If said person had still been in government yet up here during lockdown, the entire village would have known soon enough believe me. Standing up the story may explain the delay.
Given no photos and we now know one of the reports was made up, no way Guardian would have run it on the say so of one person who saw a weird bald bloke in a car park.
The other sighting was from a significant distance, so even less likely to have used that without other evidence.
This is the English Plasma Screen Riots, but on the much bigger scale of the USA, and with billions of guns, a global pandemic, unprecedented unemployment, vicious race war, and a totally demented president, in the mix
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Boris has put Cummings on his 'last chance' according to the Mail
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
Wasn't it common knowledge he was off work with CV 19 at the time?
But not where he was. I am sure some people in government machine had to know for various reasons and when he came back I am sure further people were informed.
Ah I see what you mean. However, there is also the possibility he was just spotted as a local minor celebrity. I live very near a former senior member of the Labour Cabinet up here in the NE. Everyone knows where he lives, as, I presume many in Durham will know where the Cummings family home is. If said person had still been in government yet up here during lockdown, the entire village would have known soon enough believe me. Standing up the story may explain the delay.
Given no photos and we now know one of the reports was made up, no way Guardian would have run it on the say so of one person who saw a weird bald bloke in a car park.
The other sighting was from a significant distance, so even less likely to have used that without other evidence.
That's the problem with being openly disdainful of the entire Cabinet and Civil Service as incompetent buffoons whose intellect is barely above the average housefly. At times like these it doesn't help narrow the list of suspects. Who betrayed Dom? Let's think. Who has he recently offended...?
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Exactly. Although who dobbed in Cummings and when, that will be interesting to know. I think it is clear that somebody who knew he was away from work, as the tales from eye witnesses wouldn't have stood up the story otherwise.
Wasn't it common knowledge he was off work with CV 19 at the time?
But not where he was. I am sure some people in government machine had to know for various reasons and when he came back I am sure further people were informed.
Ah I see what you mean. However, there is also the possibility he was just spotted as a local minor celebrity. I live very near a former senior member of the Labour Cabinet up here in the NE. Everyone knows where he lives, as, I presume many in Durham will know where the Cummings family home is. If said person had still been in government yet up here during lockdown, the entire village would have known soon enough believe me. Standing up the story may explain the delay.
Given no photos and we now know one of the reports was made up, no way Guardian would have run it on the say so of one person who saw a weird bald bloke in a car park.
The other sighting was from a significant distance, so even less likely to have used that without other evidence.
I wonder if it was Boris who grassed up Dom. Dom might well be wreaking havoc and Boris decided that would be the best way to get rid of him without provoking his vengeful ire. That might be why The Mail went in so unexpectedly hard - under the instructions of Boris's people. Unfortunately Dom wasn't having any of it and dug his heels in. Would explain Boris's haunted, distracted mien in recent days.
It's like watching the western world commit suicide. Literally and allegorically
The Chinese leadership must be pissing themselves. The west have screwed up response to coronavirus, now US smashing themselves up and taking heat off Hong Kong.
I bet China are showing all this and saying look at the stupid fat, lazy, ill disciplined Westerns, and why we must have this new law in Hong Kong, but they are infected with this Western disease and threaten the amazing life we are building in China.
And they will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
It's like watching the western world commit suicide. Literally and allegorically
The Chinese leadership must be pissing themselves. The west have screwed up response to coronavirus, now US smashing themselves up. China will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
They won't when the western world plus India and Brazil line up to demand reparations from China for covering up this outbreak and allowing it to spread
The cop is rightly on a murder charge for FLoyd. What do these people want ?
Here's some actual working class black people giving their view on the twin terrors of the reality of being black when facing the police and the antifa loons.
Black American anger is being hijacked by anarchist scum. What a mess.
See the footage of Portland last night, it is overwhelming young white individuals dressed in standard anarchist outfits, in one of the least diverse cities in the US, smashing and looting high end stores and banks, before tagging them and setting fire to them.
Square root of f##k all to do with a black man dying after police mistreatment.
Even if the looters in Portland had been black, it still would have had nothing to do with police mistreatment.
I've never understood why rioters think that somebody else being shot entitles them to smash a few windows and grab a new pair of shoes or TV hundreds or thousands or miles away.
It's like watching the western world commit suicide. Literally and allegorically
The Chinese leadership must be pissing themselves. The west have screwed up response to coronavirus, now US smashing themselves up. China will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
They won't when the western world plus India and Brazil line up to demand reparations from China for covering up this outbreak and allowing it to spread
And they will say, go f##k yourself. And we won't be able to do anything.
Looking on Mail website, they are full on support Big Dom mode. Very different to coverage of the past week or so. Numerous articles highlighting stories of those making a stink over Cummings, who have connections to Mail favourite villains, BBC, Guardian, ardent Remainers.
It wasn't a Brexit story, but slowly and surely it's been turned into a "Whose side are you on". Dark ops, but not unsuccesful - probably guided by Cummings himself.
Boris has put Cummings on his 'last chance' according to the Mail
Nah, Mail have got it all mixed up. Johnson has been put on a 'last chance' order from Wor Dom. Next time the PM needs to be faster to defend our hero or he will be out.
It's like watching the western world commit suicide. Literally and allegorically
The Chinese leadership must be pissing themselves. The west have screwed up response to coronavirus, now US smashing themselves up. China will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
They won't when the western world plus India and Brazil line up to demand reparations from China for covering up this outbreak and allowing it to spread
And they will say, go f##k yourself. And we won't be able to do anything.
We will, when 19 of the 20 G20 nations representing a majority of the global economy line up to isolate China and Trump leads the largest economy in open tariff war on China
It's like watching the western world commit suicide. Literally and allegorically
The Chinese leadership must be pissing themselves. The west have screwed up response to coronavirus, now US smashing themselves up and taking heat of Hong Kong.
I bet China are showing all this and saying look at the stupid fat, lazy, ill disciplined Westerns, and why we must have this new law in Hong Kong, but they are infected with this Western disease and threaten the amazing life we are building in China.
And they will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
Well, they did invent the virus for just this reason.
JOKE!
(Probably)
100% they won't miss the opportunity to profit financially and power wise from this crisis.
It's like watching the western world commit suicide. Literally and allegorically
The Chinese leadership must be pissing themselves. The west have screwed up response to coronavirus, now US smashing themselves up and taking heat of Hong Kong.
I bet China are showing all this and saying look at the stupid fat, lazy, ill disciplined Westerns, and why we must have this new law in Hong Kong, but they are infected with this Western disease and threaten the amazing life we are building in China.
And they will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
Well, they did invent the virus for just this reason.
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In a national crisis people will stick with their leader.
Ignore the polls. Trump will win in EC votes by more than 2016.
Starmer is a hypocrite.
He will do better on the coasts against Biden than Hillary but worse in the Midwest swing states and Pennsylvania than he did v Hillary
Stop being so dishonest.
If there are still riots in October, that might be different, but they won't be.
In the UK, the plod were initially shit during the london riots, caught off guars and they went far too soft. But 2 days and then they got shit clamped down.
"Leaving your home - the place you live - to stay at another home is not allowed."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-essential-travel-guidance
I was half expecting it to have been restrospectively appended with "...unless you are a very important person."
You, as a lowly order person, did break the rules.
They will all be arrested.
We are all in this together.
I may be wrong!
That might sound harsh but I think Cummings should have gone too.
But if the man who drove the car is still around in 4 years time I suspect he will have an effect, and not a positive one for the Tories.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52864072
Neither make great stories though.
Nite all.
Of course he is. Chaos is his middle name.
If she doesn't what are the odds that Starmer removes the whip from her?
Or will she keep her job as an MP and will Starmer continue to endorse her doing so?
Its absolutely plays into Trumps narrative, who is already playing the look at these weak liberal Mayor's who just excuse the violence.
(From 3 days ago):
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-police-break-up-birthday-party-at-tory-mp-rob-robertss-house-11995333
Interesting.
Starmer has done nothing! Very, very disappointing.
Here's some actual working class black people giving their view on the twin terrors of the reality of being black when facing the police and the antifa loons.
https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1266481829592399872
A 19-year-old man has died in Detroit after shots were fired into a crowd of people protesting against the death of unarmed black man George Floyd in Minneapolis.
https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-death-protests-spread-across-us-and-turn-violent-11997198
Compared to the US we are a nation at ease with ourselves.
Square root of f##k all to do with a black man dying after police mistreatment.
And against their readership who remain incandescent.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1266845716334489601?s=20
However, there is also the possibility he was just spotted as a local minor celebrity.
I live very near a former senior member of the Labour Cabinet up here in the NE. Everyone knows where he lives, as, I presume many in Durham will know where the Cummings family home is.
If said person had still been in government yet up here during lockdown, the entire village would have known soon enough believe me.
Standing up the story may explain the delay.
Quitting as a whip. As if that is "MP Quits!" Complete jokers
Neither should quit anything, although Duffields actions are obviously worse, as she interacted with someone outside of her household.
The other sighting was from a significant distance, so even less likely to have used that without other evidence.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8372911/Boris-puts-Dominic-Cummings-chance-one-witness-admits-sighting-aide.html
Who betrayed Dom?
Let's think. Who has he recently offended...?
Although obviously idiotic for an MP to break the rules so clearly.
I bet China are showing all this and saying look at the stupid fat, lazy, ill disciplined Westerns, and why we must have this new law in Hong Kong, but they are infected with this Western disease and threaten the amazing life we are building in China.
And they will be along in 6 months to buy up anything worthwhile.
I've never understood why rioters think that somebody else being shot entitles them to smash a few windows and grab a new pair of shoes or TV hundreds or thousands or miles away.