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Apologising and not making up silly stories must get some credit?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Labour were demanding Cummings was sacked from his jobeadric said:
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?dr_spyn said:
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Rosie is still an mp so Starmer double standards then
Losing her front bench job sounds fine - Im sure most would accept a big demotion for Cummings?0 -
The LDs may not get PR from Labour but they will still vote for a StarmerClippP said:
Labour always come up with electoral reform when they think they have no chance of winning. Too many people fall for that trick, Labour get a majority and then they back track. They always do that. Labour have no long-term vision.CorrectHorseBattery said:
If he implements PR - which he should do - there will likely never be a Tory majority ever againHYUFD said:
He may become PM with LD and SNP support, he will almost certainly not win a majorityeadric said:
Likewise. Amongst all the chaos, let us remember that by 2024 the Tories will have been in power for fourteen years. And they are presiding over a shitshow pandemicCorrectHorseBattery said:Well, I am predicting now PM Keir Starmer in 2024.
Starmer is boring but electable. He will almost certainly win in 2024
That is why young HY is so wrong when he keeps on forecasting a Labour Government with Lib Dem support. We have learned that particular trick.
premiership and return to the single market over a Boris premiership and WTO terms.
The LDs were willing to make Cameron PM, they will not keep Boris in No 10 though0 -
By election or she's not really quit.dr_spyn said:0 -
Great for her.CorrectHorseBattery said:Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When will the by election be then?1 -
Cummings could have easily done the same & by the end of summer he would have been back...and the Tories would still have another 10% more in the polls.0
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Do you really want a by-election during a contagious pandemic? Takes all sorts.Philip_Thompson said:
Great for her.CorrectHorseBattery said:Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When will the by election be then?0 -
Sky fail to mention Rosie Duffield story
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Watching CNN, i think it is going to be bad across US this evening. It is only mid afternoon in most cities and already lots of disturbances.0
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Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:0 -
Perhaps no-one knows who she is.Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky fail to mention Rosie Duffield story
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Probably just quit as a whip, disappointing for her lover though.Philip_Thompson said:
By election or she's not really quit.dr_spyn said:2 -
Bollocks. One rule for her, one rule for everyone else.Foxy said:1 -
Can leave the seat vacant even after she's taken the Chiltern Hundreds.noneoftheabove said:
Do you really want a by-election during a contagious pandemic? Takes all sorts.Philip_Thompson said:
Great for her.CorrectHorseBattery said:Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
When will the by election be then?1 -
Foxy said:
Nah, they got what they wanted in the WA. They are fine with WTO.squareroot2 said:
Tell Barnier to get a life. The EU are terrified of no desl.Scott_xP said:
Well if you think so thats allright then...Foxy said:
Nah, they got what they wanted in the WA. They are fine with WTO.squareroot2 said:
Tell Barnier to get a life. The EU are terrified of no desl.Scott_xP said:0 -
One thing that hasn't been talked about much amid the economic morass is productivity. It's my hunch that it will be down considerably to add to all those who aren't even working.0
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Many said an apology would have been fine, others the truth would have been fine instead of blatant lies. And doubt many would have an issue if he got demoted a couple of levels to advise on just DVLA rules or UK-EU equivalence for opticians.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:0 -
Don't be so disingenuous. The point about Cummings is he wrote the rules the rest of us followed. The blatant lies about eye tests on the wife's birthday don't help but it is the hypocrisy that is, or rather that ought to be, the killer.eadric said:
But at least this exposes the grotesque hypocrisy of the Left. Again.FrancisUrquhart said:Cummings could have easily done the same & by the end of summer he would have been back...and the Tories would still have another 10% more in the polls.
The Labour whip is no longer a whip. The thriller writer who has mysteriously relocated from the Welsh seaside to Regent's Park can still pick up a pen.3 -
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too0 -
The astronauts in the SpaceX capsule have chosen a good moment to get out of the shitshow that is 2020 America.1
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According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.1
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Yes, I am fine with it. My job is safe.squareroot2 said:Foxy said:
Nah, they got what they wanted in the WA. They are fine with WTO.squareroot2 said:
Tell Barnier to get a life. The EU are terrified of no desl.Scott_xP said:
Well if you think so thats allright then...Foxy said:
Nah, they got what they wanted in the WA. They are fine with WTO.squareroot2 said:
Tell Barnier to get a life. The EU are terrified of no desl.Scott_xP said:0 -
Yeah, just spotted that. I can breathe again.eadric said:
It can't be that big a scoop or it would be on their front pageAlistair said:
Noooooooooooooooooo.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Rosie nookie partner... regularly works for BBC and CH4, including,
Producer/Director include 'Brexit: Who's in Charge?', a fast turnaround film for BBC Panorama that was made in 2 weeks.
So he won't get mentioned much.0 -
Sky? Do you mean Labour TV?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky fail to mention Rosie Duffield story
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Really.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
It just looks like a stitch up1 -
You both seem a bit confused. I have never called for Cummings to resign or be sacked. Feel free to find a post where I call for that.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Hence no hypocrisy.
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Big G, I don't think that's quite right. Starmer was canny enough not to demand his resignation. He said he would have sacked him, but thats not quite the same.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Labour were demanding Cummings was sacked from his jobeadric said:
Surely she mustr esign as an MP and be driven from public life?dr_spyn said:
That, after all, is the price they seek to exact from Cummings. There isn't one rule for Labour MPs and another for the rest of us, is there?
Rosie is still an mp so Starmer double standards then
Truth is Starmer is delighted Cummings is still in post, so it's a cynical stance, but a shrewd one.0 -
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too0 -
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:0 -
I feel vindicated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Really.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
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Imagine if he had stepped down and all this comes out then gets to take the moral high ground.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
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tlg86 said:
Bollocks. One rule for her, one rule for everyone else.Foxy said:
I have never called for Cummings to go.eadric said:
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.Foxy said:
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.0 -
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
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If Cummings had apologised on day 1 I would have been annoyed but most would have accepted it and moved on.
It's that he didn't apologise, didn't suffer any penalty, that is the problem here.1 -
It's owned by Comcast, since when were they pro left?Ave_it said:
Sky? Do you mean Labour TV?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky fail to mention Rosie Duffield story
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Maybe the guy who made it all up is one of the Sunday Times' key witnesses.0
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About as plausible as the plot of an S.K Tremayne novel I reckon.eadric said:Of course. Because it is. This was all hatched in the civil service: Remainer central. Bring down Cummings, expose a very weakened Boris, force him to get a massive extension to the transition. Boris probably falls thereafter.
Once that's all done, conduct a plan to keep Britain more or less inside the EU, which is so much easier if we are still, in fact, inside the EU, in practise if not in law.
The idea that scheming Remainers would blush to think of such a thing is pathologically naive.
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Well big dom certainly has a lot of enemies. The question is now, will big dom take revenge if he perceives he has been plotted against.eadric said:
Of course. Because it is. This was all hatched in the civil service: Remainer central. Bring down Cummings, expose a very weakened Boris, force him to get a massive extension to the transition. Boris probably falls thereafter.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Really.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
It just looks like a stitch up
Once that's all done, conduct a plan to keep Britain more or less inside the EU, which is so much easier if we are still, in fact, inside the EU, in practise if not in law.
The idea that scheming Remainers would blush to think of such a thing is pathologically naive.0 -
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up0 -
I think you need your eyes checked.Philip_Thompson said:
I feel vindicated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Really.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
It just looks like a stitch up
Quick, hop in the car with your wife and child in the back and drive 60pmh along winding country roads.
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Fair enough and FWIW I don't think Ferguson or Calderwood should have gone either.Foxy said:tlg86 said:
Bollocks. One rule for her, one rule for everyone else.Foxy said:
I have never called for Cummings to go.eadric said:
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.Foxy said:
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.0 -
There will presumably be a large adjustment for furloughed workers (unemployed don't count).FrankBooth said:One thing that hasn't been talked about much amid the economic morass is productivity. It's my hunch that it will be down considerably to add to all those who aren't even working.
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The Guardian and the Mirror who IIRC ran with the second trip to Durham story might need their lawyers soon. All too often, the media run stories without properly authenticating them.0
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And its kicked off in Baltimore now.0
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So, because witnesses broke lockdown Cummings preposterous cover story now becomes completely believable?
Yes, definitely not partisan driven though processes at pay here.1 -
You may not have but plenty of others have. You're happy to say you're content to see Rosie keep her job and continue to be paid in full. Where you so quick to say the same about Cummings?Foxy said:tlg86 said:
Bollocks. One rule for her, one rule for everyone else.Foxy said:
I have never called for Cummings to go.eadric said:
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.Foxy said:
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.0 -
It is more than interesting.Stark_Dawning said:
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'0 -
As for Rosie Duffield (whoever she is): Sir Keir obviously can't sack her as an MP but he'd be shrewd to withdraw the whip. Presumably (as happened with Howard Flight) this would mean that she couldn't stand as a Labour candidate again. That would earn him some useful brownie points.3
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LOLOLOLOL. Watch Sky News and listen to the dribble that comes out of Burley and Rigby in particular. I thought UK broadcasting was supposed to be impartial. It falls well short of that standardCorrectHorseBattery said:
It's owned by Comcast, since when were they pro left?Ave_it said:
Sky? Do you mean Labour TV?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky fail to mention Rosie Duffield story
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The fabricated second visit might be what saved Cummings.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
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Lets not forget the Guardian did the same over Coulson / NOTW re the milly Dowler story.humbugger said:The Guardian and the Mirror who IIRC ran with the second trip to Durham story might need their lawyers soon. All too often, the media run stories without properly authenticating them.
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None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.0 -
How has the ex Chemistry teacher been "found out"?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.Stark_Dawning said:
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?0 -
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.Philip_Thompson said:
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.0 -
They will all be wearing tinfoil hats soon ...stodge said:
About as plausible as the plot of an S.K Tremayne novel I reckon.eadric said:Of course. Because it is. This was all hatched in the civil service: Remainer central. Bring down Cummings, expose a very weakened Boris, force him to get a massive extension to the transition. Boris probably falls thereafter.
Once that's all done, conduct a plan to keep Britain more or less inside the EU, which is so much easier if we are still, in fact, inside the EU, in practise if not in law.
The idea that scheming Remainers would blush to think of such a thing is pathologically naive.1 -
Cummings is not the little people. Cummings wrote the rules. That's the difference.eadric said:
Bollocks. One rule for the little people another rule for this Labour MP, Stephen Kinnock, etc etc etc etc, on and on and onDecrepiterJohnL said:
Don't be so disingenuous. The point about Cummings is he wrote the rules the rest of us followed. The blatant lies about eye tests on the wife's birthday don't help but it is the hypocrisy that is, or rather that ought to be, the killer.eadric said:
But at least this exposes the grotesque hypocrisy of the Left. Again.FrancisUrquhart said:Cummings could have easily done the same & by the end of summer he would have been back...and the Tories would still have another 10% more in the polls.
The Labour whip is no longer a whip. The thriller writer who has mysteriously relocated from the Welsh seaside to Regent's Park can still pick up a pen.0 -
a long time - they own NBC and msnbc, which is the most leftward of the news networks..CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's owned by Comcast, since when were they pro left?Ave_it said:
Sky? Do you mean Labour TV?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky fail to mention Rosie Duffield story
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The Sword is mightier than the Penarth?FrancisUrquhart said:
Have you given up hiding in Wales?eadric said:
I was in Regent's Park today and there were, in places, groups of 30-50 people having impromptu parties.stodge said:
There have been at least three of these for parts of the Borough in the past four weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:Life returning to normal....
https://twitter.com/MPSNewham/status/1266783814723997696?s=19
I've noted on here the section of the population for whom lockdown has meant nothing is or are young men and that transcends race, colour and /or creed. I've seen groups of both young East European and Tamil men out and about.
They were mostly white and looked rather well heeled. They were all quite young.1 -
And of course Piers never saw his team become the european champions of phone hacking in the same way as Arsene Wenger never saw any member of his team foul an opposition player.eadric said:
As did the Mirror under Piers Morgan with the British army "abuse photos"FrancisUrquhart said:
Lets not forget the Guardian did the same over Coulson / NOTW re the milly Dowler story.humbugger said:The Guardian and the Mirror who IIRC ran with the second trip to Durham story might need their lawyers soon. All too often, the media run stories without properly authenticating them.
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The majority would be solely to block indyref2 on which Scottish Labour and the Scottish LDs and the Scottish Tories agree.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
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It was the report that Cummings had gone a second time that was the trigger for me to lose it with himBenpointer said:
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks0 -
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
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Unfortunately, the troubles of Dom and Boris don't hinge around what these 'witnesses' have said or done. Remove the witnesses and there is still no redemption. But if it makes you feel better to think otherwise I won't stand in your way.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.Stark_Dawning said:
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'0 -
Cummings is still in the job. If he stays, Rosie should stay.Philip_Thompson said:
You may not have but plenty of others have. You're happy to say you're content to see Rosie keep her job and continue to be paid in full. Where you so quick to say the same about Cummings?Foxy said:tlg86 said:
Bollocks. One rule for her, one rule for everyone else.Foxy said:
I have never called for Cummings to go.eadric said:
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.Foxy said:
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.0 -
He was actively in breach of lockdown himself. Can you not see the hypocrisyAlistair said:
How has the ex Chemistry teacher been "found out"?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.Stark_Dawning said:
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?
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It's gone down to The Wire?FrancisUrquhart said:And its kicked off in Baltimore now.
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Brexit, Daily Mail vs MoS, was chalk and cheese. Now the editor of the MoS, is editor of the main paper and it is distinctly more hostile to the government. Even before Cummings, they were one of the most critical papers of the governments handling of coronavirus.eadric said:An interesting subplot in all this is how the Mail on Sunday is giving the Daily Mail a discreet kicking.
People presume they are basically the same paper, like the Guardian/Observer. They are not. They are often fierce rivals, certainly at the top editorial level.0 -
If I were being Machiavellian I'd say tonight's Mail on Sunday pieces were orchestrated by CCHQ as part of their "fightback" strategy.eadric said:
Look at the timing of this scandal. The Guardian sat on this story for weeks.
Now the end of June is in sight. At which point - many think - it will become too late for the UK to extend the transition. Brexit is finally sealed, and delivered, and it is Hard.
It is a Machiavellian plot worthy of Peter Mandelson himself. In fact, I reckon this is his doing
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Starmer said he would have sacked Cummings. He should now withdraw the whip from Duffield.eadric said:
Starmer's tepid response to DurhamGate is, in retrospect, very telling. My guess is that far more senior figures than "Rosie Duffield" have probably transgressed, maybe quite badly. And he knows it.Benpointer said:
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.0 -
And we are off in LA.
I wonder how Orange Man is going to react.0 -
Quite right. But it does act as a kind of placebo for Boris's admirers, and they've been having a pretty grim time of it recently. My sense of humanity makes me permit them to seek relief wherever they can.stodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.0 -
No other architects of the lockdown will be shown to have flouted it themselves.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was the report that Cummings had gone a second time that was the trigger for me to lose it with himBenpointer said:
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks
Cummings and Johnson have the nerve to bleat on about an entrenched elite when they are the very personification of 'elite'. Cummings' Durham actions and Johnson's protection of him simply confirm the suspicion that they don't really think the rules apply to them. It won't be forgotten.0 -
He didn't break quarantine rules. Durham Police cleared him of that allegation.Benpointer said:
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.0 -
Possibly, but this is where Dom's "Westminster bubble" theory works against him.stodge said:
If I were being Machiavellian I'd say tonight's Mail on Sunday pieces were orchestrated by CCHQ as part of their "fightback" strategy.eadric said:
Look at the timing of this scandal. The Guardian sat on this story for weeks.
Now the end of June is in sight. At which point - many think - it will become too late for the UK to extend the transition. Brexit is finally sealed, and delivered, and it is Hard.
It is a Machiavellian plot worthy of Peter Mandelson himself. In fact, I reckon this is his doing
"Dom is selfish and dishonest, but the PM is too weak to sack him" was the story that cut through to the public.
"Other people broke the rules too" might break out, but is likely to get stuck in the bubble.0 -
stodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasionsstodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings0 -
There's a very simple explanation as to why ...StuartDickson said:
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.Philip_Thompson said:
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.0 -
Vulnerable people in England who have been asked to remain at home since the coronavirus lockdown began are to be allowed outdoors once a day with members of their household from Monday.0
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So you're back on side?Big_G_NorthWales said:stodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasionsstodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings0 -
The reason I can be sure is that I never call for a resignation or sacking, Cummings is no exception to my rule.tlg86 said:
Fair enough and FWIW I don't think Ferguson or Calderwood should have gone either.Foxy said:tlg86 said:
Bollocks. One rule for her, one rule for everyone else.Foxy said:
I have never called for Cummings to go.eadric said:
Of course it is. She's Labour, not an evil Tory.Foxy said:
It is just laughable. And she did this for sex, not for her vulnerable child
How I despise the Left. It never gets old, my hatred.0 -
Or they are accurate reportsstodge said:
If I were being Machiavellian I'd say tonight's Mail on Sunday pieces were orchestrated by CCHQ as part of their "fightback" strategy.eadric said:
Look at the timing of this scandal. The Guardian sat on this story for weeks.
Now the end of June is in sight. At which point - many think - it will become too late for the UK to extend the transition. Brexit is finally sealed, and delivered, and it is Hard.
It is a Machiavellian plot worthy of Peter Mandelson himself. In fact, I reckon this is his doing0 -
A report that was a fictional lie.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was the report that Cummings had gone a second time that was the trigger for me to lose it with himBenpointer said:
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
And yes the damage is done but as we are seeing I expect many more will be exposed over lockdown in the coming weeks
So given that it was a lie that made you lose it are you rowing back now on your losing it?0 -
Well, we were going to convict him of murder what with him admitting to it and all but the initial witness once daubed graffiti on a wall so we'll have to let him off.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He was actively in breach of lockdown himself. Can you not see the hypocrisyAlistair said:
How has the ex Chemistry teacher been "found out"?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.Stark_Dawning said:
Hadn't the story of the second trip been discredited long ago? Not sure why this is remotely interesting anyway - it's what Cummings actually admitted to that has caused the justified fury.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
Are you saying he didn't see Cummings in the location that Cummings has admitted being at to check his eyes?1 -
Anyway time to bid good night
What a strange world we are living in
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Well you really shouldn’t.Philip_Thompson said:
I feel vindicated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Really.humbugger said:According to the Mail the guy who claimed Cummings made a second trip to the North made it up as a joke, and the Teacher who reported Cummings to the Police has admitted to his own long distance lockdown busting trip to Berkshire and back.
It just looks like a stitch up0 -
I accept there is a Nationalist majority now at Holyrood of SNP and Greens.StuartDickson said:
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.Philip_Thompson said:
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.
However if SCon and SLab and SLDs have a majority combined next year there will be a Unionist majority at Holyrood for the first time since 2011.
A Unionist majority is there solely to block indyref2.
I am English, Scottish domestic policy does not interest me and it does not bother me if Sturgeon is First Minister.
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Extramarital nookie? I am afraid I could not now vote for her were I to live in Canterbury.Stark_Dawning said:As for Rosie Duffield (whoever she is): Sir Keir obviously can't sack her as an MP but he'd be shrewd to withdraw the whip. Presumably (as happened with Howard Flight) this would mean that she couldn't stand as a Labour candidate again. That would earn him some useful brownie points.
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He'll stoke the fire.FrancisUrquhart said:And we are off in LA.
I wonder how Orange Man is going to react.
He makes me think of Charles Manson, it wouldn't surprise me if he wants a race war.0 -
You need to be careful here Big_G. According to the MoS Mr Lees is not accused of "breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown". Rather Mr Lees is accused of separately breaching lockdown himself (an accusation he denies)...Big_G_NorthWales said:stodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
I do not support Cummings and have said so on many occasionsstodge said:
I've cut Cummings plenty of slack on this but the salient points about his journey to Durham and his trip to Barnard Castle are out there - he has admitted them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is more than interesting.
These two witnesses have been found out and you say 'nothing to see here'
This is just the Mail trying to muddy the waters. No one believed the second trip story and while it might be fun to discredit the witness who reported Cummings to the Police the facts of what happened aren't being questioned and Durham Police have conducted their investigation..
If you support Cummings and accept the rationale of what he did and why he did it this changes nothing. If you think he was wrong, this won't change anything either.
I don't see why you think this is significant.
However the hypocrisy of someone breaching lockdown to report someone else breaching lockdown is extraordinary and the second trip allegation was my reason for turning against Cummings
"He [Mr Lees] drove from his home in Barnard Castle earlier this month to pick up his student daughter who had been self-isolating at her boyfriend’s home in Berkshire. She was seen at the family home last week, but Mr Lees insists he complied with the relevant rules at the time."0 -
Goodnight Big G see you tomorrowBig_G_NorthWales said:Anyway time to bid good night
What a strange world we are living in
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Yes. Dishonesty.Philip_Thompson said:
There's a very simple explanation as to why ...StuartDickson said:
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.Philip_Thompson said:
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.1 -
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When's the by election?CorrectHorseBattery said:Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
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That's one word for it.StuartDickson said:
Yes. Dishonesty.Philip_Thompson said:
There's a very simple explanation as to why ...StuartDickson said:
It was HY who claimed we are heading for a “Unionist majority” next year. But if, as you say, Labour and Tory cannot work together, then the concept of “Unionist majority” is pretty meaningless.Philip_Thompson said:
Unionist is not a party. Labour and Tory are not interchangeable.StuartDickson said:
But you just said that you would get a Unionist majority, which by definition means most seats. Why them would you Unionists not use your majority to form a government?HYUFD said:
We do if we win most seats, if not then preserving the Union is the priorityStuartDickson said:
So, you are going to use your “Unionist majority” to install a pro-Scotland FM. What is the point in voting Unionist when you have no intention of governing?HYUFD said:
No, Sturgeon would stay FM just with a Unionist majority blocking indyref2, as was the case with FM Salmond from 2007 to 2011.StuartDickson said:
So, the Conservatives are going to provide confidence and supply to FM Leonard? That’s available at the astonishingly good price of 20/1. How much cash have you invested HY?HYUFD said:
Ruth Davidson never got the Tories to 30% and the figures would actually see the Tories up to 7 MPs in Scotland and regaining Gordon from the SNP.StuartDickson said:
Huh?HYUFD said:
Tories up to 30% in Scotland, which would be their highest voteshare there since 1979. SNP back under 50%StuartDickson said:Very good SCon and SLab figures in that Opinium, but I cannot recall a poll which has ever returned zero Scottish Liberal Democrat voters.
Looks like anything Ruth can do Jackson can do even better
That Opinium gives seat distribution of:
SNP 52 seats (+4)
SCon 6 seats (nc)
SLab 1 seat (nc)
SLD 0 seats (-4)
... which is about half what Ruth Davidson managed.
If repeated next year it would see a Unionist majority at Holyrood
Of course though on this poll Carlaw would have more MPs and likely MSPs than Leonard too
HY loves to add together SLab+SCon+SLD+BrexitP+UKIP+OrangeLodge+BNP+otherbampots
... but funnily enough, he always forgets to add Scottish Greens to the Yes side of the equation.0 -
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.eadric said:Lumme. And it is still daylight
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"Do not leave home if you or anyone in your household has symptoms."Philip_Thompson said:
He didn't break quarantine rules. Durham Police cleared him of that allegation.Benpointer said:
None of which excuses the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown and quarantine rules, rules that his office shaped.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She and Kinnock are hypocritesBenpointer said:
He made the rules and then ignored them.Philip_Thompson said:
Convenient. So she can keep her job but nothing short of Cumming losing his job is enough? Why the double standards.Foxy said:
Maybe explains Starmers low key response
And how about the witness in Barnard Castle breaking lockdown himself and the witness of Cummings second visit admitting he made it up
In any event, the damage to Boris and this Tory government is done. They have squandered their honeymoon period through a series of mistakes and missteps.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection-1 -
I suspect she won't even lose the whip let alone have a by election. So much for Starmer saying he would sack someone from their job for this.isam said:
When's the by election?CorrectHorseBattery said:Rosie was an idiot but she did the right thing and resigned.
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Brilliant!FrancisUrquhart said:
It took a while, but all the usual suspects have fallen for a wind up again1 -
I worry you're right, as I said above I worry Trump is stoking this thinking it wins him votes. A race war plays into his hands.rottenborough said:
That reelection looks more certain by the hour. Playing right into Trump's hands.eadric said:Lumme. And it is still daylight
https://twitter.com/LibertarianBlue/status/1266849881492258816?s=20
I worry for America.0
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