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I hope there isn't a second wave.TGOHF666 said:
How disappointed will you be if there isn’t a second wave of deaths ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
But that isn't what I was thinking, it's how the UK has handled the first wave that's dreadful, along with PPE, Cummings, the economic collapse that is yet to come.
Johnson doesn't have the ability to handle one of those, yet alone all.1 -
Not the first time it's happened. But happening so many days into a political crisis of Cummings' own making, and which hasn't actually completely gone away yet either, means the overstepping may not deflect as much as previously.Brom said:And as I warned there was always a danger that some journalists with a vendetta would overstep the mark with Cummings.
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ouch Guardian not even supporting Maitlis.Scott_xP said:0 -
My prediction would be polling lines up pretty much with YG and the other one that came out this week, a sustained 6 or so point lead.
But when the next crisis comes, I think Labour will take the lead, by the end of this year - I had a flutter already.0 -
If it causes one person on day 1 to isolate and not spread then it works.Scott_xP said:
That whooshing sound was the point flying over your head.TGOHF666 said:You don’t get it - it’s about reducing the R - not catching every case and every contact.
I am not saying the concept doesn't work. I am saying the Governments implementation of it doesn't work.
Read the thread of all the people working on it who say it isn't ready, and read the newspaper article about the fact it's not ready.
It doesn't work
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I saw Yvette Cooper at the Boris event today. Can she persuade her husband to come back for LAB? It would really help them and would be x100 improvement on AnnelieseCorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.1 -
Nonetheless, Scott has a point. It feels like everything is turning to sh*t and that the govt could not organise a party in a brewery...kle4 said:
There's a difference between living in place which may well be crappily governed, and a banana republic/monarchy. You don't need to be a fan of the present administration to think we should keep a distance between them, otherwise it really limits how we'd describe any further deterioration. See also used of 'failed/pariah state'.Scott_xP said:We’ve reached the point where the only way to understand the state the country is in is to realise that it has become a banana republic.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-showman-out-of-his-depth-john-crace
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.1 -
Sturgeon has spent all week saying the Scottish version starts tomorrow. Which it is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-528205920 -
Is anyone surprised by the Emily Maitlis business? She may as well wear a 'vote Labour' rosette she is that biased. A significant improvement on Right or Burley thoughBrom said:
All I can say is thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM. Or Emily MaitlisCorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
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The point that the government is crap can be made a thousand ways, with varying degrees of strength, without leaping to calling the country a banana republic which just undermines actual criticism. That only makes a point against the person making it, that they cannot help going too far in criticism, even when there's plenty to criticise!Beibheirli_C said:
Nonetheless, Scott has a point. It feels like everything is turning to sh*t and that the govt could not organise a party in a brewery...kle4 said:
There's a difference between living in place which may well be crappily governed, and a banana republic/monarchy. You don't need to be a fan of the present administration to think we should keep a distance between them, otherwise it really limits how we'd describe any further deterioration. See also used of 'failed/pariah state'.Scott_xP said:We’ve reached the point where the only way to understand the state the country is in is to realise that it has become a banana republic.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-showman-out-of-his-depth-john-crace
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.0 -
Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.2 -
I meant Rigby not Right!Ave_it said:
Is anyone surprised by the Emily Maitlis business? She may as well wear a 'vote Labour' rosette she is that biased. A significant improvement on Right or Burley thoughBrom said:
All I can say is thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM. Or Emily MaitlisCorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
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It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
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Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?0
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I take it you are not a fan of bananas then?kle4 said:
The point that the government is crap can be made a thousand ways, with varying degrees of strength, without leaping to calling the country a banana republic which just undermines actual criticism. That only makes a point against the person making it, that they cannot help going too far in criticism, even when there's plenty to criticise!Beibheirli_C said:
Nonetheless, Scott has a point. It feels like everything is turning to sh*t and that the govt could not organise a party in a brewery...kle4 said:
There's a difference between living in place which may well be crappily governed, and a banana republic/monarchy. You don't need to be a fan of the present administration to think we should keep a distance between them, otherwise it really limits how we'd describe any further deterioration. See also used of 'failed/pariah state'.Scott_xP said:We’ve reached the point where the only way to understand the state the country is in is to realise that it has become a banana republic.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-showman-out-of-his-depth-john-crace
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.
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Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
Not.......
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It is amazingRichard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.
And we all thought political comedy had stopped when Yes Minister finally came to a halt...
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People will use their instincts.Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
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Mmm...Thinks.Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
No idea what could have scuppered that, nope.
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Interesting there's only 4 women on the list.rottenborough said:0 -
Ireland with no government appears to be fairing considerably better than the UK with this government.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.2 -
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
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They use STV. They're probably still counting.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.1 -
dixiedean said:
Mmm...Thinks.Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
No idea what could have scuppered that, nope.
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It might be later. But the DHSC isn't sure.Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
Yes but no but yes but no but...0 -
She should take over the ranting loony slot from Piers Morgan on GMB.Ave_it said:
I meant Rigby not Right!Ave_it said:
Is anyone surprised by the Emily Maitlis business? She may as well wear a 'vote Labour' rosette she is that biased. A significant improvement on Right or Burley thoughBrom said:
All I can say is thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM. Or Emily MaitlisCorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
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Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?3
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It would probably be a good thing for the opposition to go ahead in the polls for a while, even from the point of view of government supporters.CorrectHorseBattery said:My prediction would be polling lines up pretty much with YG and the other one that came out this week, a sustained 6 or so point lead.
But when the next crisis comes, I think Labour will take the lead, by the end of this year - I had a flutter already.1 -
Agreed. Be great to see Ed Balls back. A class act.Ave_it said:
I saw Yvette Cooper at the Boris event today. Can she persuade her husband to come back for LAB? It would really help them and would be x100 improvement on AnnelieseCorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
Within parliament, Rachel Reeves is surely a far better candidate for ShadChan than Ms Dodds.0 -
Benpointer said:
Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is the UKBenpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
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Correct. I like Rachel.Anabobazina said:
Agreed. Be great to see Ed Balls back. A class act.Ave_it said:
I saw Yvette Cooper at the Boris event today. Can she persuade her husband to come back for LAB? It would really help them and would be x100 improvement on AnnelieseCorrectHorseBattery said:Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
Within parliament, Rachel Reeves is surely a far better candidate for ShadChan than Ms Dodds.2 -
That accounted for the first month or so.SandyRentool said:
They use STV. They're probably still counting.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.0 -
Penny Mordaunt is only slightly shorter than Jenrick to be next leader.
That is hilarious.
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It seems to be running better than ours at the moment RichardRichard_Nabavi said:
That accounted for the first month or so.SandyRentool said:
They use STV. They're probably still counting.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.0 -
Or working out how to work it out?SandyRentool said:
They use STV. They're probably still counting.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.0 -
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No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the EuroJonathanD said:rottenborough said:Scott_xP said:
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.0 -
Too sensible and you cannot bung millions to your favourite consultants.SandyRentool said:Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
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and use up their minutes????SandyRentool said:Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
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Nick Watt thinks Cummings now stays. Tory MPs who want him out now accept, very reluctantly, that Johnson will hang on to him come what may.
But he has burnt a ton of capital.1 -
Fewer egos bruised by DomAndy_JS said:
Interesting there's only 4 women on the list.rottenborough said:1 -
Depends who you are, obvs.noneoftheabove said:
So is it voluntary or must we?Scott_xP said:0 -
What a fatuous response.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.0 -
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.Benpointer said:
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
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Or South Korea, for that matter.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
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Never say neverHYUFD said:
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the EuroJonathanD said:rottenborough said:Scott_xP said:
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.
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So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes1
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Good lord! Is that the "world class plan"? May as well not bother!SandyRentool said:Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
Looks like we are copying Brazil...0 -
Not much TBH:Pulpstar said:
It seems to be running better than ours at the moment RichardRichard_Nabavi said:
That accounted for the first month or so.SandyRentool said:
They use STV. They're probably still counting.Richard_Nabavi said:Meanwhile, in little-noticed news, talks to form a government in Ireland are STILL going on.
The election took place on the 8th February.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-has-one-of-the-highest-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-in-care-homes-in-world-1.4260140
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Er, I was referring to his rotundity.Foxy said:
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.Benpointer said:
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
Not.......1 -
does copper burn?rottenborough said:Nick Watt thinks Cummings now stays. Tory MPs who want him out now accept, very reluctantly, that Johnson will hang on to him come what may.
But he has burnt a ton of capital.0 -
The one way Starmer could ensure a second Boris landslide no matter how bad it gets is to say he would join the Euroalterego said:
Never say neverHYUFD said:
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the EuroJonathanD said:rottenborough said:Scott_xP said:
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.0 -
Of course it's voluntary, this isn't China.Scott_xP said:1 -
You did say mandatory - how would that work?Benpointer said:
What a fatuous response.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.0 -
That's why track and trace only really works when you have very low numbers of infected people.franklyn said:So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
I know, let's go back to February and start track and trace then.1 -
Yes such a system only works if there is a high take up of the app, and low prevalence of disease. We have neither.franklyn said:So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
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The alternative Tory leadership begins to take shape. Mordaunt, Javid, Hunt.
Can they find more common ground in next couple of years?
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Il Duce was quite stocky, too, but I have seen footage of him swimming, from the early fourties, and with him it really was more muscle than blubber.Benpointer said:
Er, I was referring to his rotundity.Foxy said:
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.Benpointer said:
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
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Look at this Boris/ Cummings nonsense !
Oh wait it has NHS written on it.
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bedtime Foxy I thinkFoxy said:
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.Benpointer said:
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
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Well we don't have the former because it doesn't work or indeed exist outside of an island in the Solent.Foxy said:
Yes such a system only works if there is a high take up of the app, and low prevalence of disease. We have neither.franklyn said:So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
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Nick Watt is an excellent journalist because I have no idea what his personal political opinions are.rottenborough said:Nick Watt thinks Cummings now stays. Tory MPs who want him out now accept, very reluctantly, that Johnson will hang on to him come what may.
But he has burnt a ton of capital.0 -
Sweden was right says Norway?Andy_JS said:0 -
I think everyone else got it.Benpointer said:
Er, I was referring to his rotundity.Foxy said:
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.Benpointer said:
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
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There has to be an exemption for care home workers. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to function.franklyn said:So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
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Suppose he doesn't sayHYUFD said:
The one way Starmer could ensure a second Boris landslide no matter how bad it gets is to say he would join the Euroalterego said:
Never say neverHYUFD said:
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the EuroJonathanD said:rottenborough said:Scott_xP said:
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.0 -
A bit like this?alterego said:
You did say mandatory - how would that work?Benpointer said:
What a fatuous response.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/health-secretary-announces-strengthened-legal-powers-to-bolster-public-health-protections-against-coronavirus0 -
Reads a bit too much like the crap that the DWP uses for scripts for illness/disability/carers. And we all know how well that system works.TGOHF666 said:Look at this Boris/ Cummings nonsense !
Oh wait it has NHS written on it.
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If he took us into the Euro without a referendum and with no manifesto commitment there would be a revolutionalterego said:
Suppose he doesn't sayHYUFD said:
The one way Starmer could ensure a second Boris landslide no matter how bad it gets is to say he would join the Euroalterego said:
Never say neverHYUFD said:
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the EuroJonathanD said:rottenborough said:Scott_xP said:
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.0 -
You criticising the NHS ?rottenborough said:
Reads a bit too much like the crap that the DWP uses for scripts for illness/disability/carers. And we all know how well that system works.TGOHF666 said:Look at this Boris/ Cummings nonsense !
Oh wait it has NHS written on it.
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1265765143469871104?s=21
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But there are huge numbers of care home workers, probably the highest risk group in the UK, and if we start exempting them and their friends and families we might as well not bother. This is a hopeless farce.Andy_JS said:
There has to be an exemption for care home workers. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to function.franklyn said:So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
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Bit late in the day for a GCSE Chemistry question.alterego said:
does copper burn?rottenborough said:Nick Watt thinks Cummings now stays. Tory MPs who want him out now accept, very reluctantly, that Johnson will hang on to him come what may.
But he has burnt a ton of capital.
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Can someone explain to me where we now are? We're told we have to obey test and trace or the lockdown will continue. But isn't the lockdown continuing anyway?1
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Though Norway might console themselves by considering that although they got it wrong their deaths per million stand at 43 compared to Sweden's 418.rottenborough said:
Sweden was right says Norway?Andy_JS said:3 -
Doesn't really explain why Sweden had hugely higher death rates than Norway - or than Denmark.Andy_JS said:0 -
Lockdown is gradually being eased surely.FrankBooth said:Can someone explain to me where we now are? We're told we have to obey test and trace or the lockdown will continue. But isn't the lockdown continuing anyway?
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Well, well.rottenborough said:
Sweden was right says Norway?Andy_JS said:
If this turns out to be true we may see a return to panic buying...of humble pie!1 -
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!0 Feb - the world moves on and so does experienceBenpointer said:
A bit like this?alterego said:
You did say mandatory - how would that work?Benpointer said:
What a fatuous response.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.
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alterego said:
bedtime Foxy I thinkFoxy said:
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.Benpointer said:
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill'sBeibheirli_C said:
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.Scott_xP said:
Not.......
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Tweet has been deleted.TGOHF666 said:Look at this Boris/ Cummings nonsense !
Oh wait it has NHS written on it.
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I'll download an NHS app. Not sure I'd be happy giving out all my whereabouts and details to a cold caller.0
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Well if they'd used this in the first place we might have had a better experience.alterego said:
!0 Feb - the world moves on and so does experienceBenpointer said:
A bit like this?alterego said:
You did say mandatory - how would that work?Benpointer said:
What a fatuous response.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/health-secretary-announces-strengthened-legal-powers-to-bolster-public-health-protections-against-coronavirus0 -
Not round my way.FrankBooth said:Can someone explain to me where we now are? We're told we have to obey test and trace or the lockdown will continue. But isn't the lockdown continuing anyway?
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hindsight?Benpointer said:
Well if they'd used this in the first place we might have had a better experience.alterego said:
!0 Feb - the world moves on and so does experienceBenpointer said:
A bit like this?alterego said:
You did say mandatory - how would that work?Benpointer said:
What a fatuous response.TGOHF666 said:
Um - because we aren’t North Korea ?Benpointer said:Why is the track and trace self-isolation not being made mandatory?
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/health-secretary-announces-strengthened-legal-powers-to-bolster-public-health-protections-against-coronavirus0 -
Indeed - we never answer cold callers now due to the number of scam calls.Pulpstar said:I'll download an NHS app. Not sure I'd be happy giving out all my whereabouts and details to a cold caller.
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GenuineRochdalePioneers said:Just passing by. Has anyone seen this...?
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UK has the 21st highest population in the world and the... oh, 2nd highest number of Covid deaths... so about as expected?HYUFD said:
Mexico has the 10th highest population in the world and the 9th highest number of Covid deaths so about as expectedAndrew said:501 deaths in Mexico today. Don't even want to imagine how high that figure might go.
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It’s very obvious that not only is it not ‘world beating’ (ridiculous rhetoric anyway), but also that it’s nowhere near fully in place - as the NHS guy on Newsnight described in some detail.Foxy said:
Good lord! Is that the "world class plan"? May as well not bother!SandyRentool said:Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
Looks like we are copying Brazil...
It’s the right idea, but it’s very basic, and something which could have been in place a month ago.
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Who are we going to blame if it turns out lockdown was a waste of a lot of time and even more money?
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Well we also have a median age almost double that of Mexico and a high population densityBenpointer said:
UK has the 21st highest population in the world and the... oh, 2nd highest number of Covid deaths... so about as expected?HYUFD said:
Mexico has the 10th highest population in the world and the 9th highest number of Covid deaths so about as expectedAndrew said:501 deaths in Mexico today. Don't even want to imagine how high that figure might go.
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Night all.
Hope I don't dream a track and trace nightmare along the lines of the average DWP interaction in which I am phoned day and night about people I have never met.0 -
Boris obviously didn't want to do it, so we could blame him for not having the courage of his convictions.Ave_it said:
Nicola Sturgeon? As she likes the Stalinist lockdown approachisam said:Who are we going to blame if it turns out lockdown was a waste of a lot of time and even more money?
Then again he was a relative sceptic compared to the Hitler youth lockdown zealots0
