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Actually from Friday golf courses, garden centres and construction all re-open albeit construction is phased with it fully re-opening in phase 2 (hopefully in 3 weeks time).TGOHF666 said:
Find people, test them - if positive they stay in.Carnyx said:
Can you explain to me why it is wrong for the Scots to do that and right for the English to do that? I'd really like to know.TGOHF666 said:
Yes - we cannot trust people to work for the glorious revolution - hence why we must spy on them and "re-educate" them in special camps if required.Chris said:
I'm afraid Mr Cummings has just given us ample proof that you can't trust people to put the public good above their own - even when they wrote the bloody rules!TGOHF666 said:
Tracking and tracing and ADVISING people to stay home is fine.Chris said:
My prediction: the people who have been whining the loudest for the lockdown to be relaxed will also whine the loudest about the tracing and isolation operation that's necessary to relax it.TGOHF666 said:
Christ - wait until the lockdown snitch Stasis get a load of that- the curtains will be twitching and the hotline to the Covid Police buzzing.RobD said:
But for the greater good. Perhaps a test can be administered after a few days to see if they do have it?CarlottaVance said:
"He's going to the shop after 6.34 days ! "
Putting them under house arrest is not.
Scottish approach seems to be - have a different system because TOARIES - find people, cant test them because testing rates are so low - so lock everyone up.
Don't restart construction
Don't open retail
Don't open schools
Don't open golf courses
Don't open flipping garden centres.
It's like January in Wuhan - but without the exotic cuisine.
Schools are due to start the summer holidays in 4 weeks and are going to go back a week earlier in the Autumn so they have decided not to re-open just now.
As for retail I am totally with you. We could be another 6 weeks before we see non-essential large retailers open having been put into phase 3 of the Scottish government's plan. In many ways they have an easier path to keep social distancing than smaller retailers who hopefully get to re-open in 3 weeks time ie on the Friday after shops open in England.0 -
Yes Fieldwork taken Friday until today, so we will only see next weekend what the full impact of this Friday's events have been.CorrectHorseBattery said:
However at the moment while damaging to the Tories this story does not look fatal0 -
The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!1 -
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A Scottish Green MSP has lodged a complaint with Durham Police in England?Scott_xP said:
Wow, that's genuine and locally driven and not a partisan politician witch hunt at all (!)1 -
I think it's a mistake. The last thing they want is for the police to say "not worth the hassle."Philip_Thompson said:
A Scottish Green MSP has lodged a complaint with Durham Police in England?Scott_xP said:
Wow, that's genuine and locally driven and not a partisan politician witch hunt at all (!)0 -
Keir!MaxPB said:Honestly if Kier wasn't a loony lefty on social policy I'd probably consider voting for Labour at the moment.
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Who?Anabobazina said:
Keir!MaxPB said:Honestly if Kier wasn't a loony lefty on social policy I'd probably consider voting for Labour at the moment.
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Not to mention Farage and Banks kissing Trump's arse every chance they got, although I suspect they are frantically trying to pretend that never happened now.OnlyLivingBoy said:
The great irony of course is that few people have done more to nurture a US-style culture war in the UK than Cummings with the crass populism of Vote Leave. The culture war is central to US right wing politics because it is the means of winning majority support for policies benefiting a wealthy elite. It was only a matter of time before it was imported to the UK, especially since a fair amount of US billionaire money is involved here too.TGOHF666 said:https://unherd.com/thepost/slowly-but-surely-britain-is-turning-into-america/
" I get that, but everything about the response is pushing us closer to the rotting cadaver that is American political debate. Partisans frightened to live in certain areas because they have become so tribal; institutions such as the civil service and Church being dragged into politics and so wrecking the power of social institutions; journalists losing all sense of proportion or pretence at even-handedness as the media heads towards hyper-partisanship."
Personally I didn't like the sight of him being jeered by his neighbours and certainly hope he comes to no physical harm, but I understand and indeed share their rage.0 -
He should stick to dumb Scottish laws - not dumb English lawsScott_xP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/15/rushed-uk-coronavirus-laws-led-to-wrongful-convictions-say-police
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Interesting piece in the Times this morning about the test and trace capability in Germany, apologies if already discussed. Essentially consists of proven processes, low technology, managed by teams of decentralised, Public Health professionals who have worked together supplemented by public sector staff on secondment. As opposed to trying to invent something bespoke, unproven, using public sector IT procurement to stitch together inexperienced developers with centrally decreed requirements, manned by call centre staff answering anonymous adverts who arrive for training in advance if process or system. But at least it will be world class.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germanys-corona-detectives-led-way-out-of-lockdown-2wkrwtfdv?shareToken=f547a58e558159c92cea3bea00b1ff78
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These kind of letters are so dumb. Does he think the police don't read the press or something?TGOHF666 said:
He should stick to dumb Scottish laws - not dumb English lawsScott_xP said:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/15/rushed-uk-coronavirus-laws-led-to-wrongful-convictions-say-police0 -
He won't have been the only person to do so...Philip_Thompson said:
A Scottish Green MSP has lodged a complaint with Durham Police in England?Scott_xP said:
Wow, that's genuine and locally driven and not a partisan politician witch hunt at all (!)0 -
On topic, after Black Wednesday on 16th September 1992 the Tories never had a poll lead again until election day 1997
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-19970 -
Yes - Labour have been much smarter - keeping the thing on a long slow simmer. When the Durham Constabulary replies "no further action" Cummings defenders will shout that from the rooftops. And the Guardian will put it on p19 bottom left (if at all).tlg86 said:
I think it's a mistake. The last thing they want is for the police to say "not worth the hassle."Philip_Thompson said:
A Scottish Green MSP has lodged a complaint with Durham Police in England?Scott_xP said:
Wow, that's genuine and locally driven and not a partisan politician witch hunt at all (!)0 -
You mean you do all this for free?Philip_Thompson said:
Do you have any hobbies? Discussing politics online is a hobby of mine. And we won, not lost.Nigel_Foremain said:
Irony alert! Person who spends his time 24/7 on a political blogging site refers to others as "losers". Take the beam out of thine own eye Mr Thompson. lol.DougSeal said:
That is clearly rubbish. The upset crosses party lines and you well know it. Denying it will not make that fact go away.Philip_Thompson said:
The people upset the most now with Boris etc are the same losers who were upset when he won the election. Funny that.contrarian said:
No yours is. The electorate returned the conservatives with a big majority, why should they behave like the media that clearly hasn't accepted that result want them to?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Number 10's contempt for democratic norms is shameless.Mexicanpete said:
Fighting like tats in a sack! Although that being so Ellwood is an urbane, rather agreeable rodent.CarlottaVance said:Trouble at t'mill:
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265282772412686339?s=20
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265283659835363328?s=20
Hope someone else asks his questions:
https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1265266323061424129?s=20
IF the electorate want Boris & co out that is their privilege.0 -
I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.7 -
Don't we all?Chris said:
You mean you do all this for free?Philip_Thompson said:
Do you have any hobbies? Discussing politics online is a hobby of mine. And we won, not lost.Nigel_Foremain said:
Irony alert! Person who spends his time 24/7 on a political blogging site refers to others as "losers". Take the beam out of thine own eye Mr Thompson. lol.DougSeal said:
That is clearly rubbish. The upset crosses party lines and you well know it. Denying it will not make that fact go away.Philip_Thompson said:
The people upset the most now with Boris etc are the same losers who were upset when he won the election. Funny that.contrarian said:
No yours is. The electorate returned the conservatives with a big majority, why should they behave like the media that clearly hasn't accepted that result want them to?DecrepiterJohnL said:
Number 10's contempt for democratic norms is shameless.Mexicanpete said:
Fighting like tats in a sack! Although that being so Ellwood is an urbane, rather agreeable rodent.CarlottaVance said:Trouble at t'mill:
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265282772412686339?s=20
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265283659835363328?s=20
Hope someone else asks his questions:
https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1265266323061424129?s=20
IF the electorate want Boris & co out that is their privilege.0 -
I can't read the whole letter because I don't subscribe to the National. I assume that means you do which is...funny.Burgessian said:This letter published in The National - basically the SNP house newspaper - is just typical of the unctuous self-regarding anti-English sentiment that now openly permeates Scottish society after 12 years of SNP government. Don't think Southrons really understand the terms of trade up here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18460257.nationals-comment-piece-easy-nts-neil-oliver/
It seems to be about Neil Oliver who isn't afaicr English. I guess it's hardly going to be complimentary about someone who called the possibility of a second indy ref 'cancerous'.2 -
Good. If the Police show the law was broken and he gets convicted he should go. If they don't he shouldn't.eek said:
He won't have been the only person to do so...Philip_Thompson said:
A Scottish Green MSP has lodged a complaint with Durham Police in England?Scott_xP said:
Wow, that's genuine and locally driven and not a partisan politician witch hunt at all (!)0 -
Wrong. From your own link they led with ICM in January 1993 for example.HYUFD said:On topic, after Black Wednesday on 16th September 1992 the Tories never had a poll lead again until election day 1997
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-1997
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Well, I'm back.
So, Cummings' statement yesterday having put his bizarre actions to bed, what have you been talking about all day?4 -
As a foreigner who's lived in London for more than 2 decades - and occasionally loves it - I'm now going to sound like I'm running it down.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
The city is a problem. The over-packed Tube, the hordes of tourists, they're all going to cause a big second wave if one happens. You need it reopen it slowly and carefully. (i.e. We're a bunch of special snowflakes!)0 -
The Tories also had a poll lead in October 1992, with ICM.0
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I'm English, and living in Scotland, don't subscribe to the National and am not a member of the SNP - Neil Oliver is a right pillock.Theuniondivvie said:
I can't read the whole letter because I don't subscribe to the National. I assume that means you do which is...funny.Burgessian said:This letter published in The National - basically the SNP house newspaper - is just typical of the unctuous self-regarding anti-English sentiment that now openly permeates Scottish society after 12 years of SNP government. Don't think Southrons really understand the terms of trade up here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18460257.nationals-comment-piece-easy-nts-neil-oliver/
It seems to be about Neil Oliver who isn't afaicr English. I guess it's hardly going to be complimentary about someone who called the possibility of a second indy ref 'cancerous'.1 -
Yes but we can bet on whether said overpromoted twerp will still have a job next week. Best prices are 4/9 yes; 5/2 no. I've backed Cummings both to stay and to go. My betting is pro having cake and pro eating it, as a wise man once said.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!0 -
It's so simple.Anabobazina said:
Keir!MaxPB said:Honestly if Kier wasn't a loony lefty on social policy I'd probably consider voting for Labour at the moment.
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Getting out of lockdown is simple.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
1 Get case numbers down to manageably low. Lockdown is achieving this, but it takes time. Tough.
2 Have an effective test'n'track system. That's eminently doable, but the best way to get there is Keep It Simple. People, not apps- at least to start with.
3 Have lots of masks and handgel available.
4 Work out what to do with tricky situations. If lots of people meet indoors and sing loudly, they shouldn't. Which activities can't happen, and how does the community help people working in them?
It's simple but boring stuff. Less fun than "let's make an app" or "reopen shops in 3 weeks" but it's the way out.1 -
The numbers have dwindled to super low levels in some areas David. Yet this is barely being discussed because of the Cummings row. The row is perfect for Lockdown Extremists because it distracts from the numbers!DavidL said:I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.1 -
When your actions are beyond the pale, even for Philip Davies:
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18475228.bradford-mp-calls-philip-davies-calls-dominic-cummings-resign/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
OK one poll in almost 5 yearsTheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong. From your own link they led with ICM in January 1993 for example.HYUFD said:On topic, after Black Wednesday on 16th September 1992 the Tories never had a poll lead again until election day 1997
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-19970 -
I'm not sure you can sling the accusation of dullness around since your every post appears to boil down to you wanting a pint. I can sympathise with the urge, but it's, well, not very interesting.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!3 -
No, that was a tie, 38% eachTheScreamingEagles said:The Tories also had a poll lead in October 1992, with ICM.
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The Scots want to sack some Scottish bloke off the telly.ydoethur said:Well, I'm back.
So, Cummings' statement yesterday having put his bizarre actions to bed, what have you been talking about all day?0 -
I before E, except after Corbyn.CarlottaVance said:
It's so simple.Anabobazina said:
Keir!MaxPB said:Honestly if Kier wasn't a loony lefty on social policy I'd probably consider voting for Labour at the moment.
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The numbers are already at manageable lows. My three NHS mates tell me there is nothing to do on Covid wards. Get on with the rest.Stuartinromford said:
Getting out of lockdown is simple.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
1 Get case numbers down to manageably low. Lockdown is achieving this, but it takes time. Tough.
2 Have an effective test'n'track system. That's eminently doable, but the best way to get there is Keep It Simple. People, not apps- at least to start with.
3 Have lots of masks and handgel available.
4 Work out what to do with tricky situations. If lots of people meet indoors and sing loudly, they shouldn't. Which activities can't happen, and how does the community help people working in them?
It's simple but boring stuff. Less fun than "let's make an app" or "reopen shops in 3 weeks" but it's the way out.
Ban churches and singing indoors. Keep nightclubs shut. Open pubs with beer gardens.
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If it helps anyone dealing with the pubs being closed, abstemiously is one of my favourite words, because it has all the vowels in alphabetical order. I'm not saying this facetiously.Theuniondivvie said:
I'm not sure you can sling the accusation of dullness around since your every post appears to boil down to you wanting a pint. I can sympathise with the urge, but it's, well, not very interesting.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!5 -
It's boiled down to:Theuniondivvie said:
I'm not sure you can sling the accusation of dullness around since your every post appears to boil down to you wanting a pint. I can sympathise with the urge, but it's, well, not very interesting.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
"I want to go to the pub, therefore lockdown must be wrong because...
- There's not a problem
- Sweden's done it fine
- Some professor says it's all over and the maximum death toll will be under seven thousand
- I'm all right Jack, pull the ladder up (what do you mean, under 60s might be reasonably likely to be so ill, they'll be hospitalised - no, they almost always recover so they're practically immune)
- Oh, I'm just bored, open the pubs"2 -
It is indeed about Dr Oliver. The complaint is not about the English but about the letter-writer's perception that the NTS has too often picked from a highly specific sector of society - often highly Anglicised upper middle classes, disproportionately English-born. It's not that they are English per se, but the worry that the country's culture is being run from overseas, so to speak.Theuniondivvie said:
I can't read the whole letter because I don't subscribe to the National. I assume that means you do which is...funny.Burgessian said:This letter published in The National - basically the SNP house newspaper - is just typical of the unctuous self-regarding anti-English sentiment that now openly permeates Scottish society after 12 years of SNP government. Don't think Southrons really understand the terms of trade up here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18460257.nationals-comment-piece-easy-nts-neil-oliver/
It seems to be about Neil Oliver who isn't afaicr English. I guess it's hardly going to be complimentary about someone who called the possibility of a second indy ref 'cancerous'.
That is, however, a letter in the letter column, so not necessarily what he editor thinks. And it's not so different in its spirit from the commentator on PB (a Tory, I think) who praised Mr Ross MP for not coming from the usual upper middle classes of Scottish Tory society (IIRC or am I getting confused)?
As Mr Burgessian should know full well, there are plenty of English-born and bred Scots in the SNP and in the independence movement. And I wouldn't call the National the SNP house journal. It's more like the Greens/RISE one at times, and the letter was in response to an article by Michael Fry - a right wing pro-indy commentator.1 -
Totally agree with this, but the reality is that Nicola seems very risk adverse (as many of the more passionate "get independance now" part of the SNP will attestify)DavidL said:I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.
Therefore we are going to see the slowest re-opening of any part of Europe taking place here. We are probably on track to reach phase 3 of the Scottish government's plan in mid-July but parts of it will not be reached until August.0 -
Well maybe so, and in which case, I apologise, but there’s a big problem brewing here (excuse the pun), and we need to sort it out.Theuniondivvie said:
I'm not sure you can sling the accusation of dullness around since your every post appears to boil down to you wanting a pint. I can sympathise with the urge, but it's, well, not very interesting.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
We can’t keep the catering sector shuttered, nor can we shutter holiday lets in the middle of summer.
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Really, that’s not the case.Andy_Cooke said:
It's boiled down to:Theuniondivvie said:
I'm not sure you can sling the accusation of dullness around since your every post appears to boil down to you wanting a pint. I can sympathise with the urge, but it's, well, not very interesting.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
"I want to go to the pub, therefore lockdown must be wrong because...
- There's not a problem
- Sweden's done it fine
- Some professor says it's all over and the maximum death toll will be under seven thousand
- I'm all right Jack, pull the ladder up (what do you mean, under 60s might be reasonably likely to be so ill, they'll be hospitalised - no, they almost always recover so they're practically immune)
- Oh, I'm just bored, open the pubs"
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35 now, and they still don't seem fully up-to-date.AlastairMeeks said:
Conservative Home lists 30 (including David Warburton).Scott_xP said:
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2020/05/rolling-list-of-conservative-mps-whove-called-on-cummings-to-go.html0 -
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Ouch! "Will the government review all childcare fines levied during the lockdown" - first question from a member of the public.1
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So it’s still about whether a northerner on the box should get the sack.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The Scots want to sack some Scottish bloke off the telly.ydoethur said:Well, I'm back.
So, Cummings' statement yesterday having put his bizarre actions to bed, what have you been talking about all day?
Why’s this? Did he drive from Edinburgh to Inverness to quarantine and then decide to drive to Fort Augustus to check his eyesight was OK?0 -
Great post, in the majority of areas hospitals never even got close to struggling, and now they are sitting empty with thousands of closed wards throughout the nation. The clap on Thursdays is now for health workers who have never done so little at work in their lives. My wife worked yesterday and on her ward by 11.30am they had no patients. 9 trained staff and no patients!!DavidL said:I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.
The problem with politicians making a decision is that the press will do everything possible to undermine that decision, as with Boris just gently reducing the lockdown three weeks ago. The press went mad, "experts" were bought in, polls showing the public did not support the loosening were done. If Boris had not reduced the lockdown then the press would have been equally as angry and would have interviewed different "experts" who would have said the opposite.
People have definitely got too used to Furlough, which while a great scheme, has introduced a false sense of security. People need to return to work now or they will not have a job to go back too.1 -
Sort out test'n'track, and I'd agree with you. The WHO were saying that back in February, and it's depressing how slow the progress on tracking infrastructure has been.Anabobazina said:
The numbers are already at manageable lows. My three NHS mates tell me there is nothing to do on Covid wards. Get on with the rest.Stuartinromford said:
Getting out of lockdown is simple.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
1 Get case numbers down to manageably low. Lockdown is achieving this, but it takes time. Tough.
2 Have an effective test'n'track system. That's eminently doable, but the best way to get there is Keep It Simple. People, not apps- at least to start with.
3 Have lots of masks and handgel available.
4 Work out what to do with tricky situations. If lots of people meet indoors and sing loudly, they shouldn't. Which activities can't happen, and how does the community help people working in them?
It's simple but boring stuff. Less fun than "let's make an app" or "reopen shops in 3 weeks" but it's the way out.
Ban churches and singing indoors. Keep nightclubs shut. Open pubs with beer gardens.
Get on with it.
Trouble has been the focus on gimmicks that haven't really worked over unglamorous stuff that will.1 -
Maybe says HancockCarlottaVance said:Ouch! "Will the government review all childcare fines levied during the lockdown" - first question from a member of the public.
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Laura avoids Covid at the Covid briefing and sticks to Dom.
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It just won't do. Boris is not much better. We need to get a grip on risk. Maybe one way of ending this interminable distraction would be the passing of a retrospective pardon for everyone breaching these frankly absurd lockdown regulations.Saltire said:
Totally with this, but the reality is that Nicola seems very risk adverse (as many of the more passionate "get independance now" part of the SNP will attestify)DavidL said:I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.
Therefore we are going to see the slowest re-opening of any part of Europe taking place here. We are probably on track to reach phase 3 of the Scottish government's plan in mid-July but parts of it will not be reached until August.1 -
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Just goes to show they don't vet the questions or see them in advance.Scott_xP said:Presser off to a good start...
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1265315930806136836
And of course LauraK goes on a Cummings question....and gets the standard reply and we're no wiser...0 -
LOL love Hancock's short, sharp answer to Robert Preston.0
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Is he asking for him to resign.Scott_xP said:
I would be very pleased if he came out publically demanding it1 -
Well, yes, thank you Jeremy. We had all* got that far.Scott_xP said:
The issue is what happens next.
*Well, apart from Cummings, Johnson and our supremely supine AG, obviously.0 -
Philip Davies. My my.0
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Yet again, cutting off journalists. No follow up for Peston. Just cut the signal.
This is like the Trump administration.
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If PB is anything to go by, people are massively overestimating the risks of Covid compared to other risks we all face in our daily lives. The media is almost certainly to blame for whipping up extreme fearfulness. It’s very hard to get people back to some sort of rationality and balance.NerysHughes said:
Great post, in the majority of areas hospitals never even got close to struggling, and now they are sitting empty with thousands of closed wards throughout the nation. The clap on Thursdays is now for health workers who have never done so little at work in their lives. My wife worked yesterday and on her ward by 11.30am they had no patients. 9 trained staff and no patients!!DavidL said:I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.
The problem with politicians making a decision is that the press will do everything possible to undermine that decision, as with Boris just gently reducing the lockdown three weeks ago. The press went mad, "experts" were bought in, polls showing the public did not support the loosening were done. If Boris had not reduced the lockdown then the press would have been equally as angry and would have interviewed different "experts" who would have said the opposite.
People have definitely got too used to Furlough, which while a great scheme, has introduced a false sense of security. People need to return to work now or they will not have a job to go back too.0 -
Pesto slapped down "We had childcare available and Mr Cummings didn't" and no supplementary question!0
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Hancock gets face on with Peston
He says Cummings had no child care options in London
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That was very funny. Pesto is worse than useless.Philip_Thompson said:LOL love Hancock's short, sharp answer to Robert Preston.
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Hancock making these tunnel vision journos look daft.
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Agree with that completely. The much vaunted app on June 1 is likely to be a bust I am told. Get Apple to build one and bloody well get moving.Stuartinromford said:
Sort out test'n'track, and I'd agree with you. The WHO were saying that back in February, and it's depressing how slow the progress on tracking infrastructure has been.Anabobazina said:
The numbers are already at manageable lows. My three NHS mates tell me there is nothing to do on Covid wards. Get on with the rest.Stuartinromford said:
Getting out of lockdown is simple.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
1 Get case numbers down to manageably low. Lockdown is achieving this, but it takes time. Tough.
2 Have an effective test'n'track system. That's eminently doable, but the best way to get there is Keep It Simple. People, not apps- at least to start with.
3 Have lots of masks and handgel available.
4 Work out what to do with tricky situations. If lots of people meet indoors and sing loudly, they shouldn't. Which activities can't happen, and how does the community help people working in them?
It's simple but boring stuff. Less fun than "let's make an app" or "reopen shops in 3 weeks" but it's the way out.
Ban churches and singing indoors. Keep nightclubs shut. Open pubs with beer gardens.
Get on with it.
Trouble has been the focus on gimmicks that haven't really worked over unglamorous stuff that will.0 -
Here comes Adrian Mole with another dumb question.
Inform the public you tossers.
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I think your last sentence is demeaning and misogynisticTGOHF666 said:Laura avoids Covid at the Covid briefing and sticks to Dom.
Move on love.0 -
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Hancock claims he had childcare available at home. Does he live with his parents?bigjohnowls said:Hancock gets face on with Peston
He says Cummings had no child care options in London
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Not true though is itCarlottaVance said:Pesto slapped down "We had childcare available and Mr Cummings didn't" and no supplementary question!
Hancocks sentance should be
"We had childcare available and Mr Cummings didn't" bother to ask0 -
Good, but it could have been better. Could have been Barnard Castle and ‘if you can read this, you don’t need to be here.’Scott_xP said:0 -
Hancock sent Peston out for pies and Bovril.0
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I feel sorry for Hancock
How has it come to this
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Today will be the second day in a row where none of the top 5 in new deaths are in Europe (USA, Brazil, Mexico, Russia, India). Possibly even top 6 today, with Ecuador/Peru still to report.
Also, UK just overtook Germany/Spain on total test count.0 -
The problem with furlough is that it is basically welfare - and it is very difficult to get people off welfare due to the 'I want something for nothing' mentality which is so prevalentAnabobazina said:
If PB is anything to go by, people are massively overestimating the risks of Covid compared to other risks we all face in our daily lives. The media is almost certainly to blame for whipping up extreme fearfulness. It’s very hard to get people back to some sort of rationality and balance.NerysHughes said:
Great post, in the majority of areas hospitals never even got close to struggling, and now they are sitting empty with thousands of closed wards throughout the nation. The clap on Thursdays is now for health workers who have never done so little at work in their lives. My wife worked yesterday and on her ward by 11.30am they had no patients. 9 trained staff and no patients!!DavidL said:I have just been talking to my neighbour who used to work in the Heath Service and is still very well connected there. She tells me that there are currently 13, repeat 13 Covid patients in Tayside, population roughly half a million. All of the doctors and nurses who were conscripted into a front line that barely even came are being returned to their normal duties on Monday.
There is indeed a scandal here and its got F all to do with Cummings. The local economy is being trashed, businesses are collapsing, jobs are being lost, the future tax base is being destroyed and for what? On Thursday we will be allowed to have contact with another household provided it is outside and social distancing is being maintained. Shops remain closed, hundreds of thousands of Scots are on furlough being paid by the government for doing nothing and debt is spiralling out of control.
A political class too pusillanimous to make a decision in case someone holds them responsible are doing absolutely untold damage to this country. Enough. End the lockdown now while there are still some jobs to go back to.
The problem with politicians making a decision is that the press will do everything possible to undermine that decision, as with Boris just gently reducing the lockdown three weeks ago. The press went mad, "experts" were bought in, polls showing the public did not support the loosening were done. If Boris had not reduced the lockdown then the press would have been equally as angry and would have interviewed different "experts" who would have said the opposite.
People have definitely got too used to Furlough, which while a great scheme, has introduced a false sense of security. People need to return to work now or they will not have a job to go back too.
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Well, he got the racism in at the start today, tribalism in the middle and misogyny now.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think your last sentence is demeaning and misogynisticTGOHF666 said:Laura avoids Covid at the Covid briefing and sticks to Dom.
Move on love.
All we need is a bit of homophobia and he will have ‘House.’1 -
LOL. Top question.
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Although I think Big Dom should have gone straight away, all the wibbling about if he touched a petrol pump or stopped for a whizz at the side of the road could be "endangering lives", is basically bollocks compared to weeks of delay on the app. That is genuinely endangering lives every day it isn't out there.Anabobazina said:
Agree with that completely. The much vaunted app on June 1 is likely to be a bust I am told. Get Apple to build one and bloody well get moving.Stuartinromford said:
Sort out test'n'track, and I'd agree with you. The WHO were saying that back in February, and it's depressing how slow the progress on tracking infrastructure has been.Anabobazina said:
The numbers are already at manageable lows. My three NHS mates tell me there is nothing to do on Covid wards. Get on with the rest.Stuartinromford said:
Getting out of lockdown is simple.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
1 Get case numbers down to manageably low. Lockdown is achieving this, but it takes time. Tough.
2 Have an effective test'n'track system. That's eminently doable, but the best way to get there is Keep It Simple. People, not apps- at least to start with.
3 Have lots of masks and handgel available.
4 Work out what to do with tricky situations. If lots of people meet indoors and sing loudly, they shouldn't. Which activities can't happen, and how does the community help people working in them?
It's simple but boring stuff. Less fun than "let's make an app" or "reopen shops in 3 weeks" but it's the way out.
Ban churches and singing indoors. Keep nightclubs shut. Open pubs with beer gardens.
Get on with it.
Trouble has been the focus on gimmicks that haven't really worked over unglamorous stuff that will.1 -
Sounds like the English track and trace system will be voluntary.
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This is surely too good to be true:ydoethur said:
Good, but it could have been better. Could have been Barnard Castle and ‘if you can read this, you don’t need to be here.’Scott_xP said:
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Dude, that's the impression you give.Anabobazina said:
Really, that’s not the case.Andy_Cooke said:
It's boiled down to:Theuniondivvie said:
I'm not sure you can sling the accusation of dullness around since your every post appears to boil down to you wanting a pint. I can sympathise with the urge, but it's, well, not very interesting.Anabobazina said:The last two or three days on here have been utterly dull.
Instead of yakking on about some overpromoted twerp who went for a drive, and utterly pointless early-term opinion polls, can we discuss how to get out of lockdown?
Especially in London where new cases / deaths are at trace levels.
There are pubs to be opened, hotels to visit and places to go.
Get us out of this lockdown!
"I want to go to the pub, therefore lockdown must be wrong because...
- There's not a problem
- Sweden's done it fine
- Some professor says it's all over and the maximum death toll will be under seven thousand
- I'm all right Jack, pull the ladder up (what do you mean, under 60s might be reasonably likely to be so ill, they'll be hospitalised - no, they almost always recover so they're practically immune)
- Oh, I'm just bored, open the pubs"
Daft post.
You keep insisting that it's not a problem for under-sixties, despite the issue of them getting so ill they can be hospitalised (and the concerns about letting it rip overloading the hospitals).
Believe me, I want it over with. I have to explain again and again to a distressed severely autistic boy why he's not at school, why McDonalds is closed, why we have to be so careful when we're outside, why we can't go and see Nanna.
Again and again and again and again.
And Christ, I want to go to a restaurant with my family. We used to love eating out.
But 60,000+ people have died. The disease can really fuck people up, even younger ones (I know of a half-dozen people who've had it, and the one we're closest to is 26, ultra-fit, and no underlying health concerns - and took well over a month to be close to all right again. Albeit still with some breathing issues). And I would find it hard to live with myself if we got it and passed it on, and in the chain we passed it onto, someone died. Or multiple people died.
It's not about us, or our freedom, anymore than drink-driving should be up to ourselves to judge and take the risk (and we could note that cars are so much safer these days that if we get drunk and crash, the driver's far more likely to be okay).
We're getting there. Cases are well down, and if we get a reliable test-and-trace app, or a twenty-minute reliable self-contained test, we can get so much more going.
The worst thing to happen - after all this - is for us to face a second spike and need to lock down again. I really don't know how I'd be able to explain it to my son that sorry, after getting things sort of back to normal, we've got to go back to this.5 -
So says a poster who has such a broad view of the world that he swallows any old crap that the current government serves up for his gullible consumptionTGOHF666 said:Hancock making these tunnel vision journos look daft.
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