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How would he know he was in Durham for most of the lockdown?StuartDickson said:
Cummings doubtless has the dossier.El_Capitano said:You know what would really propel this story into the stratosphere?
A Cabinet Minister being caught infringing lockdown.
Do you reckon they've all been beyond reproach? I doubt it.0 -
well you would say that wouldn't you.CorrectHorseBattery said:The Tories at this point don't seem to have a PR operation at all.
They've responded to Cummings' response in possibly the worst way possible1 -
That has, arguably, already happened with Robert Jenrick and possibly even Boris himself. Of course, timing is everything and perhaps if it happens again post-Cummings ... but I'd not get too excited.El_Capitano said:You know what would really propel this story into the stratosphere?
A Cabinet Minister being caught infringing lockdown.
Do you reckon they've all been beyond reproach? I doubt it.0 -
"Back to basics"El_Capitano said:You know what would really propel this story into the stratosphere?
A Cabinet Minister being caught infringing lockdown.
Do you reckon they've all been beyond reproach? I doubt it.0 -
No response to the evidence that petitions achieve the square root of fuck all? Funny that.rottenborough said:0 -
New Opinium poll just in:squareroot2 said:
well you would say that wouldn't you.CorrectHorseBattery said:The Tories at this point don't seem to have a PR operation at all.
They've responded to Cummings' response in possibly the worst way possible
squareroot2 is less than useless0 -
This clearly is going to shift the polls when we get another VI.
Latest net leadership approval ratings, Savanta/Comres (favourable/unfavourable):
Now: Johnson -1%, Starmer +12%
15th -17th May: Johnson +15%, Starmer +1%
It is just possible that Labour could enter the next GE with a leader who is more popular than that of the Conservatives. I think that the last time that happened was in 2001.0 -
A beautiful commentary by Howard Jacobson on his late mother:
My mother always said she didn't want any fuss when she went. She got her wish. It was as though she chose her moment, looked around, saw the coast was clear, and made a dash for it.
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Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:3 -
He's right IMO.rottenborough said:
She's right.williamglenn said:Glenda Jackson speaks for many of us.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/12652417765892792350 -
The lockdown in England was only two weeks? News to me.rottenborough said:
How would he know he was in Durham for most of the lockdown?StuartDickson said:
Cummings doubtless has the dossier.El_Capitano said:You know what would really propel this story into the stratosphere?
A Cabinet Minister being caught infringing lockdown.
Do you reckon they've all been beyond reproach? I doubt it.
And Cummings doesn’t obtain intelligence when outwith London? Profoundly unlikely.0 -
I'm sure there are all kinds of ways to make sure that no laws were broken. The problem is that all of these rapidly-evolving excuses do nothing to change the glaring contempt forChris said:
For that matter the self-isolation guidance didn't have any legal standing anyway, and at that time it allowed even people with symptoms to leave the house for exercise.algarkirk said:
This is all rubbish of course and adding to the confected story, but FWIW on 12 April it was not illegal to drive somewhere to exercise, though the police, as part of the general thought police, were not keen.Scott_xP said:Gove contradicting Cummings...
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1265231030472105986
Maybe Cummings should just have said all these trips were for exercise. No illegality and no breach of the self-isolation guidance.
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True - although Blair won in 2005 despite that.Wulfrun_Phil said:This clearly is going to shift the polls when we get another VI.
Latest net leadership approval ratings, Savanta/Comres (favourable/unfavourable):
Now: Johnson -1%, Starmer +12%
15th -17th May: Johnson +15%, Starmer +1%
It is just possible that Labour could enter the next GE with a leader who is more popular than that of the Conservatives. I think that the last time that happened was in 2001.
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How Did Damian McBride get to know things.... I do hope no Labour MP's are guilty of breaking the rules....rottenborough said:
How would he know he was in Durham for most of the lockdown?StuartDickson said:
Cummings doubtless has the dossier.El_Capitano said:You know what would really propel this story into the stratosphere?
A Cabinet Minister being caught infringing lockdown.
Do you reckon they've all been beyond reproach? I doubt it.0 -
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Just getting silly now.Scott_xP said:1 -
Obviously a lefty Remoaner in the ranks.rottenborough said:0 -
It turns out that the public don't take kindly to being told that horse balls are oranges.1
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I suspect the idea was first cooked up to shaft Cummings and Boris. Starmer wisely saw that no help was needed from anyone else, they were doing a fine job shafting themselves.kjh said:
Why. I think it is healthy for parties to talk with one another and share ideas and come to a consensus where there is common ground.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1265248895485050880
Labour was right to stay out of this1 -
Exactly. And now the next time Twitter and the media scream and wet themselves furiously the Government will have all the ability in the world to just ignore it and move on.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:
So many people see only the ephemera, and not the long game.0 -
In a sense Number 10 might have gotten away with it, if they hadn't already said such idiotic stuff post the Cummings statement which the public will surely be responding "wut"0
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Leave Stephen Milligan out of it.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that the public don't take kindly to being told that horse balls are oranges.
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Go pleasure yourself with a rusty nail.kinabalu said:
Virtually in tears at the 'Go Home' Vans yet (i) happy to almost worship Boris "casual racism" Johnson and (ii) a Brexiteer with no concerns whatsoever about the xenophobic aspect of the vote to Leave.Philip_Thompson said:Am I the only person on this site who can't stand Theresa May and finds her morally awful?
I don't understand it. I quit the party when she became leader as I can't stand the vile woman. I can't stand anyone who shouts at immigrants to "GO HOME" yet to listen to people here you'd swear she was a paragon of virtue.
No-one's buying it.
Find me saying anything xenophobic ever. These are my principles and if you don't like them ... I don't care.0 -
Its a reminder of Brexit divides which Labour want to get away from.kjh said:
Why. I think it is healthy for parties to talk with one another and share ideas and come to a consensus where there is common ground.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1265248895485050880
Labour was right to stay out of this0 -
Jenrick next Cabinet minister up to lie on R4.
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See my response to Philip. You have to see the 3rd attempt as it took me 3 goes not to cock it up completely and my response doesn't cover your reference re the Trump's visit which I would have to concede.BluestBlue said:
No response to the evidence that petitions achieve the square root of fuck all? Funny that.rottenborough said:0 -
Absolutely.Stuartinromford said:
And it's the combination of those factors that's causing the trouble. If Boris were a stronger person, he wouldn't have felt the need to do the bizarre press conference on Sunday, or let Dom weave the tales he did yesterday. Either Dom would have been dumped, or a clear line to move on would have been put out. But because Boris desperately wants to be wanted, there has to be a story to make everything better, and it has to be a better story than "Dom is terribly important, can essentially do whatever he wants and Durham is nicer than London".kinabalu said:
Strong position. Weak man.LostPassword said:
I think any other leader of the Conservative Party would have faced more explicit criticism of his judgement from his own MPs, but he hasn't because they're scared.Mysticrose said:
Given what is going on right now in the world and country that's a pretty daft comment. He may be fine but events dear boy, events.LostPassword said:
Given the purge of Tory MPs in 2019 I would think Johnson is the safest Conservative Party leader in history.TheScreamingEagles said:
The poll tax didn’t cost the Tories the next election because they ditched their leader?LostPassword said:
I can't quite work out what distinction is being drawn here.rottenborough said:" Another MP said the situation "feels more poll tax than ERM, actually." "
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Any ideas?
Indeed, I'd have thought in most previous Cabinets you would have had senior ministers telling the PM privately that this was not tenable.
It's only because Johnson's position is so strong that he's been allowed to make such a huge mistake over this.
And it's that unwillingness to say something that's unpleasant but much more truthful than the eye test thing that's tying everyone up in knots.
"Dominic Cummings in a difficult situation behaved as in good faith he thought he should. However it was an error of judgement because it infringed the lockdown rules that I asked all of you to comply with. He realizes this now and has apologized and offered to resign. I have not accepted his resignation because I am satisfied he is sincere in his apology and we need him in place to continue to assist our national effort to defeat this dreadful virus."
Something like that, instead of the contemptuous, hubristic tosh we are getting.0 -
That's a very Dom thing to say.BluestBlue said:So many people see only the ephemera, and not the long game.
Out of interest, BluestBlue, where were you on April 12th?1 -
Domnishambles is popular on my FB feed.BluestBlue said:
Why do I get the feeling that for some people every Wednesday is Black Wednesday?williamglenn said:
Westland was a 'bubble' story in comparison. This is more of a Black Wednesday. Even if everything goes right for the government on coronavirus for the rest of their term, people will forever associate them with "one rule for us and another rule for you".BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:
This supposed 'scandal' doesn't even have a catchy name yet, FFS, and _everything_ gets a catchy name these days. 'Cummingsgate' doesn't exactly trip off the tongue...1 -
The spectacle of Dominic Cummings in the Downing Street garden yesterday wasn't the action of a confident government dismissing media criticism.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:1 -
Re Starmer meeting the other parties.
Makes it look like a witch hunt, leave vs remain again.
Starmer has said the issue is over, he is wisely staying out and pitching Labour as the post-Brexit/future party.
Blair has his paws all over this0 -
Absolutely. And that is why the decision to keep Cummings was the moment the government actually started governing.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:
Somebody in Downing Street has finally worked out its impossible to govern and keep Morgan and Rigby happy so why try.
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Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
“clear, consistent public health messaging" Best angle for Starmer on this one.1
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We know which PB Tories to ignore in the future0
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The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.0 -
Mr. Battery, it's a bit like Henry VI.
The PM's powerful enough to stop strong measures, but too vacillating to make them, and too poor of judgement to act wisely.1 -
Indeed the BBC has not really got involved apart from floating "sources" close to Cummings initial responses via Laura K to see if they would be accepted.Harris_Tweed said:
Did you feel the same way about the Scottish CMO? Or all the well-trodden repeats about stuff Corbyn did 30 years ago? Or criticism of Emily Thornberry for slagging off people who live on housing estates? Or Ed Miliband making a funny face while he had breakfast?Socky said:
And the other 90% shrug their shoulders and wonder why the BBC is making such a big deal over this.Scott_xP said:Dom said "Fuck you" to every parent who didn't break quarantine to visit their parents, and go for a drive in the country on their wife's birthday.
The MSM have to be faced down.
If you believe all of those are probably unwise in hindsight but no reason for media outlets to "make such a big deal", then I'd cut you some slack on this one.
And frankly, I'm not sure why you're going at the BBC when well-known lefties Nick Ferrari, Tim Montgomerie and, er, the Daily Mail are being rather more persistent.0 -
I've already admitted I was Dominic Cummings during his/my press conference yesterday. I'm so awesome that I was able to answer reporters' questions on live TV and simultaneously type comments on PB using only my kneesEl_Capitano said:
That's a very Dom thing to say.BluestBlue said:So many people see only the ephemera, and not the long game.
Out of interest, BluestBlue, where were you on April 12th?
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Keir Starmer looking like a real PM today, he should walk 2024 if he plays his cards intelligently0
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Looking forward to HYUFD spinning thisCorrectHorseBattery said:
"A majority of Conservative voters support Cummings staying..."1 -
Boris Johnson batting for Cummings in the presser will be seen as a huge strategic error0
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It's in Labour's interest for Cummings to stay now, slowly sapping credibility from the government.
Conservative MP's have cottoned on to this hence their increasing calls for him to go on social media.3 -
He'll probably go now my cash is down with Paddy for him to stay.0
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Now there is someone with a good memory. LD I assume because that was also my first thought.El_Capitano said:
Leave Stephen Milligan out of it.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that the public don't take kindly to being told that horse balls are oranges.
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"The public should be advised to check and correct vitamin D3 levels..."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/26/antibody-testing-will-expose-folly-lockdown/0 -
Mr. Battery, must disagree. Even if you think some 'PB Tories' [have I been kicked out?] are wrong on this, and that being wrong is a sign of foolishness, even fools can be right sometimes and even the wise can err.
Considering a view to be right or wrong based on who says it and not the merits of their case is a flawed way of thinking.0 -
williamglenn said:
The spectacle of Dominic Cummings in the Downing Street garden yesterday wasn't the action of a confident government dismissing media criticism.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:
I didn't say that they were confident. I said that they were resilient. They are under immense pressure no doubt exacerbated by the lack of other news.williamglenn said:
The spectacle of Dominic Cummings in the Downing Street garden yesterday wasn't the action of a confident government dismissing media criticism.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:1 -
The only one of those I would have sacked is the Scottish CMO, who really should have known better. I quite liked Corbyn and thought he was consistent, just not from my side of the fence politicly. I never understood the Ed sandwich issue. ET's problems were just rather entertaining, but not a sack-able offence.Harris_Tweed said:Did you feel the same way about the Scottish CMO? Or all the well-trodden repeats about stuff Corbyn did 30 years ago? Or criticism of Emily Thornberry for slagging off people who live on housing estates? Or Ed Miliband making a funny face while he had breakfast?
Are they by any chance remainers?Harris_Tweed said:And frankly, I'm not sure why you're going at the BBC when well-known lefties Nick Ferrari, Tim Montgomerie and, er, the Daily Mail are being rather more persistent.
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You are not one of the PB Tories, too sensibleMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Battery, must disagree. Even if you think some 'PB Tories' [have I been kicked out?] are wrong on this, and that being wrong is a sign of foolishness, even fools can be right sometimes and even the wise can err.
Considering a view to be right or wrong based on who says it and not the merits of their case is a flawed way of thinking.0 -
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.3 -
Define "work".tlg86 said:
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.0 -
Have we heard from Patel yet?0
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Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
Carrier pigeon to send messages next ?
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I'm just trying to get the story straight in my mind.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.
Is this normally the way the NHS deals with suspected coronavirus cases in children? Letting their symptomatic parents go to the hospital with them and then drive to pick them up?0 -
The story we have been given is obviously a story only in the sense of fable or fiction. It is not internally consistent, it has plot holes, it is inconsistent with the external evidence.Chris said:
I'm just trying to get the story straight in my mind.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.
Is this normally the way the NHS deals with suspected coronavirus cases in children? Letting their symptomatic parents go to the hospital with them and then drive to pick them up?0 -
There is plenty of other news its just the media are just ignoring it.DavidL said:williamglenn said:
The spectacle of Dominic Cummings in the Downing Street garden yesterday wasn't the action of a confident government dismissing media criticism.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:
I didn't say that they were confident. I said that they were resilient. They are under immense pressure no doubt exacerbated by the lack of other news.williamglenn said:
The spectacle of Dominic Cummings in the Downing Street garden yesterday wasn't the action of a confident government dismissing media criticism.DavidL said:
Of course not. Of course it has. But allowing itself to be bullied by self entitled arseholes on Twitter such as Piers Morgan would have damaged it even more.OllyT said:
You can dismiss twitter etc and I don't necessarily disagree but are you really saying that this hasn't damaged Boris's government?DavidL said:
The impotent fury of the outraged on Twitter not getting their man is the one redeeming feature of this sorry tale for me.Sandpit said:
Piers cares only about his own role in creating Twitter 'trends'.Brom said:
Does anyone other Piers and Scott care about twitter 'trends'. You need about 0.005% of the country to get something 'trending', yet it means nothing in the real world.Philip_Thompson said:
No its because of those who view families trying to do their best in difficult circumstances below being nasty hacks interested in partisan politics trying to bring down someone they perceive as an enemy.Scott_xP said:0 -
It is has been their main story all weekend.noneoftheabove said:Indeed the BBC has not really got involved apart from floating "sources" close to Cummings initial responses via Laura K to see if they would be accepted.
Quite apart from the political bias issue, if Boris survives the BBC faces losing the TV tax.
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In terms of the media moving on to something else.AlastairMeeks said:
Define "work".tlg86 said:
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.
As for everything else, who knows?
For the avoidance of doubt, I would not have recommended this course of action!0 -
The people whose disposable income has been least affected are the retired and they are the very people who are going to be most cautious about returning.ExiledInScotland said:
The hospitality industry relies on people having disposable income. Well we don't now. Restaurants and bars will suffer badly irrespective.Andy_Cooke said:
To be honest, I worry about the hospitality industry. Personally, I think there's a case for continuing the furlough scheme for those specifically when it's wound up for others. Preserve the industry as it was until we can restore it.Anabobazina said:There was a saddening mini thread on here last night which I was too tired to reply to (the ever brilliant @Cyclefree got there first).
Essentially two or three culinary-challenged middle-aged blokes were entirely sanguine about the closure (and possible destruction) of the hospitality and catering industry, because Covid-19 had forced them to learn to cook.
Sad. In three ways.
1. They should learned to cook years ago. FFS.
2. Going out to pubs and restaurants is not really about eating. It’s about atmosphere and interaction and meeting people.
3. Pubs are the backbone of Britain. Its ultimate infrastructure. Its selling point. They are what makes it unique, and lovely.
The threadette upset me so much I had to get this off my chest.
Wake up!
I can't wait to go out to lunch and dinner again and if a restaurant can convince me its safe I'll be there.
But I give you an example from this morning. Our favourite coffee shop has just reopened so we went in for a takeaway to support them. only 5 people, all 50+ quietly queuing and distancing. 4 young girls then come in, pushing between the people distancing to look at the cakes etc behind the counter, making no attempt to follow any rules. Apart from the one person waiting for their order the other 4 left without buying.0 -
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:0 -
I'm wondering whether the situation with the parents was made clear to the NHS staff. I certainly hope that wouldn't be normal procedure. If it is, the situation in Weston-super-Mare isn't surprising.AlastairMeeks said:
The story we have been given is obviously a story only in the sense of fable or fiction. It is not internally consistent, it has plot holes, it is inconsistent with the external evidence.Chris said:
I'm just trying to get the story straight in my mind.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.
Is this normally the way the NHS deals with suspected coronavirus cases in children? Letting their symptomatic parents go to the hospital with them and then drive to pick them up?0 -
Storming out of the Cabinet Zoom meeting wouldn't have quite the same dramatic effect.DougSeal said:
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:1 -
So, assuming this started from 47% Conservative support:CorrectHorseBattery said:
21.5 of those 47 believe he shouldn't resign
4 of those 47 aren't sure
21.5 of them thing he should resign.
All depends how angry those 21.5 are, really.0 -
They might have done better to draw a line yesterday and refuse to answer any more questions on the topic. When in a hole...tlg86 said:
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.
The explanations are worse than the thing itself, which didn't bother me that much to be honest.0 -
And if he is allowed to by the LP.CorrectHorseBattery said:Keir Starmer looking like a real PM today, he should walk 2024 if he plays his cards intelligently
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They did, the Defence Secretary and the President of the Board of Trade.DougSeal said:
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:
Thatcher thought she was a gonner but Kinnock was terrible during the debate and saved Thatcher.
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Think that's probably all of them.😀CorrectHorseBattery said:We know which PB Tories to ignore in the future
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Hello.. back again after a brief pause/lurk post-election (or Brexit.. I can't remember.. some time BC/before corona anyway!)
Thoughts on Cummings, as there seems to be a shortage
- I suspect Downing St can see a 'declining curve' in the story - or at least a peak - and will hold its nerve. There was a real point of danger on Sunday when the backbenchers started coming out publicly.. but a frankly heroic whipping operation seems to have persuaded enough to wind their necks in.
- While I don't think the story has been a "bubble" one and has had massive cut-through, I suspect Cummings' appearance will have done enough with most casual observers to at least move towards a "let's move on" stance. That's important in taking the heat out for backbenchers. And it may inform a view among the media that they'll get diminishing returns from hereon in.
- However, there's still a danger among silent backbenchers if anything else about his conduct comes out. By which I don't mean the fact he snuck a couple of links into his old blogs after the event, but new info on him taking a day trip to Hartlepool to cough on fat people or something. (BTW.. CCTV of him on a petrol pump wouldn't help in this regard).
- And there is definitely medium-term damage to Boris's reputation from a "one rule for them" POV. Not so much among the "all MSM are liars" brigade who are still on side. But the reasonable middle classes who think Huw Edwards is super, accepted the need for BJ to break the Brexit logjam and have attentively studied every evening briefing to pick up their instructions to Protect the NHS and Save Lives (even if they're a bit annoyed Pointless has moved) - their support will have been damaged. I say 'medium-term' because he has a sufficient majority and long-enough left in the parliamentary term for this stuff to go away.
- Lesson for the media: that scrum outside his house was a VERY bad look. IMO the media should defend its running of the story in the public interest extremely robustly. Looking like total f***ing hypocrites in the process of gathering it, less so.
- Lesson for Number 10: put the info out there when the questions are asked. Most of the inaccuracies are down to them not answering justified questions about a key figure's conduct. That statement on Saturday declining to give a running commentary on lies from campaigning newspapers (or whatever they said), and Boris talking about 'palpable falsehoods' without specifying them was an equally bad look.
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Actually it is tied, 46% want him to go, 46% to stay.not_on_fire said:
Looking forward to HYUFD spinning thisCorrectHorseBattery said:
"A majority of Conservative voters support Cummings staying..."
I have not been exactly vociferous in my support for Cummings so will not be spinning anything
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I have a dim recollection despite having been 11 or 12.TheScreamingEagles said:
They did, the Defence Secretary and the President of the Board of Trade.DougSeal said:
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:
Thatcher thought she was a gonner but Kinnock was terrible during the debate and saved Thatcher.0 -
But Milligan was a Tory. "Potential Prime Minister material" was the eulogy added after the bit about oranges, binbags and kitchen tables. I think fishnets were involved too....kjh said:
Now there is someone with a good memory. LD I assume because that was also my first thought.El_Capitano said:
Leave Stephen Milligan out of it.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that the public don't take kindly to being told that horse balls are oranges.
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I'd have thought the risk of resignations here was less among Cabinet ministers, most of whom could be shrugged off insouciantly, and more among the various scientific and medical officials advising the government at present. They can't be happy, they don't have political careers to worry about and their departures would be devastating.DougSeal said:
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:1 -
Who will? The delay in developing the App means that all of first round of relaxations of lockdown will occur without the App, without a rapid turnaround on testing and relying on those infected to identify themselves and those with whom they have come into contact. Its bordering on disastrous. If you have been in a railway carriage or a bus for more than 15 minutes who have you been in contact with? You have no idea. To me this is staggering incompetence and Cummings is an irrelevant side show.TGOHF666 said:Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
Carrier pigeon to send messages next ?0 -
I think the media is boring people to death.tlg86 said:
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.0 -
Let us hope he defends Cummings to the hiltCorrectHorseBattery said:Boris Johnson batting for Cummings in the presser will be seen as a huge strategic error
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I was seven at the time, I wasn’t interested in politics at the time but liked helicopters.DougSeal said:
I have a dim recollection despite having been 11 or 12.TheScreamingEagles said:
They did, the Defence Secretary and the President of the Board of Trade.DougSeal said:
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:
Thatcher thought she was a gonner but Kinnock was terrible during the debate and saved Thatcher.
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All very wise, excellent post.Harris_Tweed said:Hello.. back again after a brief pause/lurk post-election (or Brexit.. I can't remember.. some time BC/before corona anyway!)
Thoughts on Cummings, as there seems to be a shortage
- I suspect Downing St can see a 'declining curve' in the story - or at least a peak - and will hold its nerve. There was a real point of danger on Sunday when the backbenchers started coming out publicly.. but a frankly heroic whipping operation seems to have persuaded enough to wind their necks in.
- While I don't think the story has been a "bubble" one and has had massive cut-through, I suspect Cummings' appearance will have done enough with most casual observers to at least move towards a "let's move on" stance. That's important in taking the heat out for backbenchers. And it may inform a view among the media that they'll get diminishing returns from hereon in.
- However, there's still a danger among silent backbenchers if anything else about his conduct comes out. By which I don't mean the fact he snuck a couple of links into his old blogs after the event, but new info on him taking a day trip to Hartlepool to cough on fat people or something. (BTW.. CCTV of him on a petrol pump wouldn't help in this regard).
- And there is definitely medium-term damage to Boris's reputation from a "one rule for them" POV. Not so much among the "all MSM are liars" brigade who are still on side. But the reasonable middle classes who think Huw Edwards is super, accepted the need for BJ to break the Brexit logjam and have attentively studied every evening briefing to pick up their instructions to Protect the NHS and Save Lives (even if they're a bit annoyed Pointless has moved) - their support will have been damaged. I say 'medium-term' because he has a sufficient majority and long-enough left in the parliamentary term for this stuff to go away.
- Lesson for the media: that scrum outside his house was a VERY bad look. IMO the media should defend its running of the story in the public interest extremely robustly. Looking like total f***ing hypocrites in the process of gathering it, less so.
- Lesson for Number 10: put the info out there when the questions are asked. Most of the inaccuracies are down to them not answering justified questions about a key figure's conduct. That statement on Saturday declining to give a running commentary on lies from campaigning newspapers (or whatever they said), and Boris talking about 'palpable falsehoods' without specifying them was an equally bad look.0 -
I would have thought they would have just used the Google / Apple API, to be able to say to UK government, see this is how it is done.TGOHF666 said:Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
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Seems a big misstep from Sturgeon not to have any app. Every other developed country is.
What happens now when the UK government finally goes for the Google / Apple one, and it works in every country in Europe, but Scotland.1 -
If only there was something newsworthy happening like, say, a global pandemic ...DavidL said:... They are under immense pressure no doubt exacerbated by the lack of other news.
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Westland eventually ended up merged into a European company so Hezza 'won' in the end.DougSeal said:
Didn't one or two people resign though?BluestBlue said:
Fantastic! Thatcher won another landslide after the Westland 'crisis' - an excellent omen.Scott_xP said:0 -
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There'd be no one to listen to then... apparently.valleyboy said:
Think that's probably all of them.😀CorrectHorseBattery said:We know which PB Tories to ignore in the future
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Hardly!Socky said:
Are they by any chance remainers?Harris_Tweed said:And frankly, I'm not sure why you're going at the BBC when well-known lefties Nick Ferrari, Tim Montgomerie and, er, the Daily Mail are being rather more persistent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbgFyKlZKYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-lT1EPdkHk
(Though I'd grant you the Mail under Geordie Greig is rather less staunch than under Dacre)0 -
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The problem for the media is that you can only film so many people in hospital. Other than that, there isn't much to see from hour to hour.Beibheirli_C said:
If only there was something newsworthy happening like, say, a global pandemic ...DavidL said:... They are under immense pressure no doubt exacerbated by the lack of other news.
And science stuff is just ...boring... to most of them.0 -
In the days of LDs being able to overturn any majority in a by election (days of the past!). One tends to remember the background of each very well. Although bitter sweet when it is due to a death.Beibheirli_C said:
But Milligan was a Tory. "Potential Prime Minister material" was the eulogy added after the bit about oranges, binbags and kitchen tables. I think fishnets were involved too....kjh said:
Now there is someone with a good memory. LD I assume because that was also my first thought.El_Capitano said:
Leave Stephen Milligan out of it.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that the public don't take kindly to being told that horse balls are oranges.
My fondest was Winchester. It was great fun, lots and lots of funny stories and it was one hell of a party on the night.1 -
Using human alone is too slow. You need to be testing and results within 24hrs and then immediately alerting all those at risk straight away, so they can be tested.Carnyx said:
Going for a more traditional tracing scheme with real people running it instead.TGOHF666 said:Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
Carrier pigeon to send messages next ?
That is how South Korea keep this thing under control.
During the initial stages of the outbreak, the UK government did a decent job of contact tracing, but manually interviewing everybody takes many days just to track down contacts of just one case of the super spreader bloke. You can't win the battle like that.0 -
A government instigated second wave would be one way to move on from today's headlines.DavidL said:
Who will? The delay in developing the App means that all of first round of relaxations of lockdown will occur without the App, without a rapid turnaround on testing and relying on those infected to identify themselves and those with whom they have come into contact. Its bordering on disastrous. If you have been in a railway carriage or a bus for more than 15 minutes who have you been in contact with? You have no idea. To me this is staggering incompetence and Cummings is an irrelevant side show.TGOHF666 said:Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
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I always felt very sorry for Stephen Milligan, and particularly for his parents.Beibheirli_C said:
But Milligan was a Tory. "Potential Prime Minister material" was the eulogy added after the bit about oranges, binbags and kitchen tables. I think fishnets were involved too....kjh said:
Now there is someone with a good memory. LD I assume because that was also my first thought.El_Capitano said:
Leave Stephen Milligan out of it.AlastairMeeks said:It turns out that the public don't take kindly to being told that horse balls are oranges.
He was a very able man in many ways, rather a thoughtful, moderate Tory, and probably did have a bright future. Clearly, he had an, er, interesting hobby. But he wasn't hurting other people and it's just terribly sad that - to the extent he is remembered at all - it is inevitably for the colourful nature of his departure.3 -
Utterly failed?williamglenn said:Charles Moore in the bunker.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1265256490643992582
Yeah, let's see about that in a week's time.0 -
Generally the degree to which people are bored is in direct proportion to their backing of Cummings.TGOHF666 said:
I think the media is boring people to death.tlg86 said:
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.4 -
It has been notedHYUFD said:
Actually it is tied, 46% want him to go, 46% to stay.not_on_fire said:
Looking forward to HYUFD spinning thisCorrectHorseBattery said:
"A majority of Conservative voters support Cummings staying..."
I have not been exactly vociferous in my support for Cummings so will not be spinning anything 0 -
Even with an app it is run by real people. The app is just a way to immediately get a list of people to test.Carnyx said:
Going for a more traditional tracing scheme with real people running it instead.TGOHF666 said:Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
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I'm not bored, I'm f*cking furious!MikeSmithson said:
Generally the degree to which people are bored is in direct proportion to their backing of Cummings.TGOHF666 said:
I think the media is boring people to death.tlg86 said:
I think the government is trying to bore people to death and hope the media go away. It might work.AlastairMeeks said:
The public aren't capable of great technicalities. But they can smell self-serving bullshit when they pay attention and they're paying attention.Chris said:
Wouldn't that also be within his own self-isolation period?CorrectHorseBattery said:
I can't for the life of me understand what the government is currently trying to achieve. Every contortion is making them look more dishonest, more arrogant and more stupid.0 -
I thought it was going to be based on self-diagnosis. Has that changed?RobD said:
Even with an app it is run by real people. The app is just a way to immediately get a list of people to test.Carnyx said:
Going for a more traditional tracing scheme with real people running it instead.TGOHF666 said:Sturgeon confirms Scotland wont have a track and trace app.
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Media scrum does indeed look ugly. Also saw some Sky twerp seeking out Cummings' parents. Not an edifying spectacle.2
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