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It's just not worth me responding to you anymore.Philip_Thompson said:
If the speed limit is 60 then yes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles, yes or no.Philip_Thompson said:
Half an hour normally for me personally as a rule of thumb. Not sure what the speed limit is there.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
PS the half hour rule of thumb I've followed since I was 18, came from an RAC agent.0 -
It's a political opportunity for unionism if Scotland requires furlough money for longer. Played carefully, it could even benefit the non-existent Scottish Tories, as they could be given a role in 'tense behind the scenes negotiations with the Chancellor'.solarflare said:Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
And the gap in lockdown restriction easing is getting bigger not smaller.0 -
You still going with this?Philip_Thompson said:
If the speed limit is 60 then yes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles, yes or no.Philip_Thompson said:
Half an hour normally for me personally as a rule of thumb. Not sure what the speed limit is there.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
PS the half hour rule of thumb I've followed since I was 18, came from an RAC agent.
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This is a car crash0
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On home turf, none of this complicated sciency / mathsy stuff.Pulpstar said:Journalists are much better at the political scandal than the general health questions.
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He Is certainly helping me make up my mind here.0
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Christ this is genius. There was a brief moment when the fire had stopped raging, and anger may have been dissipating, but Johnson just poured a bucket of petrol on the whole thing.
He is now on about wearing spectacles and eyesight and virus.
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Does the virus affect eyesight?
Did he drive at night? I needed glasses to drive until my eyesight lengthened with age. If I didn't have them driving by day was fine; motorway driving at night was lethal because it is almost impossible to judge relative distances of the red lights in front of you (cf. Father Ted, smaller vs further away).0 -
Christ fucks your eyesight up.0
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Oh Christ. He remains silent on all of it except to say that the Barnard Castle eye test was "credible".0
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This is astonishing, it's like Trump's press conferences0
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Did it?CorrectHorseBattery said:Car crash.
So his eyesight was really bad then?
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He'll be talking about bleach before long.rottenborough said:Christ this is genius. There was a brief moment when the fire had stopped raging, and anger may have been dissipating, but Johnson just poured a bucket of petrol on the whole thing.
He is now on about wearing spectacles and eyesight and virus.0 -
Taunting the press with his glasses. Got to love him!2
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Why because I answered a yes or no question with a yes? Is it only ok to answer a yes or no question with a no?CorrectHorseBattery said:
It's just not worth me responding to you anymore.Philip_Thompson said:
If the speed limit is 60 then yes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles, yes or no.Philip_Thompson said:
Half an hour normally for me personally as a rule of thumb. Not sure what the speed limit is there.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
PS the half hour rule of thumb I've followed since I was 18, came from an RAC agent.0 -
Iran has for the last couple of weeks, it seems that American states are seeing the same. The virus seems to take a few weeks to take a hold, probably when it gets enough superspreaders. The only to not have another lockdown is to follow countries like Taiwan and Korea and take the measures that they are doing. The other avenues are pretty much closed down now.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
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What with the eyesight problems and the strange mental confusion about the story, I think we may be getting the first hint of a "three monkeys" syndrome in Johnson and Cummings.Theuniondivvie said:
Uhuh.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think BJ made up being ill and going into intensive care to give a handy covering of a story that would come out months later.Theuniondivvie said:BJ was too ill to really take in that he was initially told about Dom's road trip. Handy..
Have there been studies on Covid-19 amnesia and is it likely to have affected BJ right up to his patchy recall of the narrative he gave yesterday?0 -
The media is about to dissove in a puddle of piss ... a joyous moment!0
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For this relief much thanks.dixiedean said:Boris admits he was told where Dom was. Just too ill that it didn't register. Tries to follow it up with some emoting.
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And the country is fucked beyond all measure.Mortimer said:Excellent presser from Cummings.
A 'till they drop' press conference straight out of the Arnie Vinick playbook.
Dom is safe. The media are found wanting, again.
Nothing new, of course, but there's no hint of even a turnaround in sight.1 -
I'm not heading out any more, I like my eyesight too much !0
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Tories are if nothing else very effective at getting rid of leaders, they will axe him in 2021.0
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Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.0
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To be fair I do wonder if this is a side effect of a serious dose of covidrottenborough said:Christ this is genius. There was a brief moment when the fire had stopped raging, and anger may have been dissipating, but Johnson just poured a bucket of petrol on the whole thing.
He is now on about wearing spectacles and eyesight and virus.0 -
This press conference should be about what else could be re-opening in the coming weeks and somewhat positive.
But instead it is sidetracked to being all about Cummings and not about the country and what is going to be changing in the future.4 -
View from my Mum in Chippenham: "I felt sorry for him, it was like a witch hunt."
Personally I think the entire conference was a ghastly mistake. And the sooner he just apologies for misinterpreting the rules (but I did it for my family) the sooner we can focus on the more important issues.1 -
What shit journalism. Don't ask a 2nd question taht is about the stuff he wants to talk about e.g shops.
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As if anyone would believe that the SCons wouldn't fold like a house of cards in the unlikely event of HMG asking them what they thought.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a political opportunity for unionism if Scotland requires furlough money for longer. Played carefully, it could even benefit the non-existent Scottish Tories, as they could be given a role in 'tense behind the scenes negotiations with the Chancellor'.solarflare said:Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
And the gap in lockdown restriction easing is getting bigger not smaller.0 -
Care to put a date on it? 'Cos that's bollocks.tlg86 said:Johnson's finished.
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Thats not as good as his loaves and fishes trick thoughPulpstar said:Christ fucks your eyesight up.
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They know the format, in fact they agreed to it. They must be seething he's batting them off so easily. I think having Dom doing the presser was a good ideaBluestBlue said:The media is about to dissove in a puddle of piss ... a joyous moment!
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I genuinely.think he will be retired. He has got the Tories a majority, now he is just a liability.Anabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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Who's saying he couldn't drive without care and attention? Not me.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The Highway Code says if you cannot drive with care and attention you should not be behind the wheel.Philip_Thompson said:
That's reasonable to me. If you're driving and feel you need to stop Highway Code advice is to take a rest it's not that someone else has to take over and continue immediately.Andy_Cooke said:
He said that they stopped at Barnard's Castle near the river because he felt to sick to continue.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think he said he was too sick to continue did he? I thought he said his child needed to relieve themselves?Andy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.
Anyway I've regularly driven in the car with my children and felt the need to pull over because I'm tired from the drive and need a break before continuing. Motorways across the country always say to take a break. I don't see that as an issue?
Note that at this point, Mary (who had been a lot less ill) did not take over the driving duties.
They were spotted by an elderly gentleman, who said hello.
Then he was feeling better and they headed off. The kid said he needed the loo, which was why they were seen outside all playing together and enjoying the woods at the local beauty spot.
This is almost as idiotic as your trying to defend immigration with saying FOM is racist!0 -
Yep. A timetable on hospitality, hotels, pubs and holidays would have been nice. But no.Saltire said:This press conference should be about what else could be re-opening in the coming weeks and somewhat positive.
But instead it is sidetracked to being all about Cummings and not about the country and what is going to be changing in the future.0 -
No. Scalp. For. You.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LiberalSimon/status/1264956500637880320
Broke. The. Law.0 -
I don't know how you can keep your face straight repeating that story. He knew he'd been rumbled and there was proof he'd been seen in Barnard Castle and that cock-and-bull story is about the best he could come up with to try and justify it. I did watch it live by the way.Sandpit said:
Except that he explicitly said he didn't go to the castle.algarkirk said:Verdict? A farrago of confected nonsense put together only once enough time had passed to know what were the hard bits of evidence his case had to meet - hence the admission he had been to Barnard Castle.
His description carefully included all the firm sightings, and placed them in as innocent a context as possible. It ended up all too smooth to be anything other than a post hoc rationalisation. It included as little as possible which might one day be contradicted by new evidence. So a reasonable effort except for one thing.
The Barnard Castle thing on Easter Day had always stood out as a problem, and the failure to admit or account for it earlier suggests a hope, until yesterday (PM evaded it) or today, that it could be denied.
His explanation was plainly fanciful. Really apart from complex and true explanations (which of the lawful sort were clearly not available) he would have done better to use 'exercise'. Actually I think he was on a trip out, unlike the millions denied a trip to church on Easter Day.
His weakness here undermines his credibility generally. So, ultimately a fail.
He went with his family for a short drive, because he wasn't sure if driving would make him feel unwell, and wanted to take a short drive before undertaking a much longer drive back to work.
They went to the outskirts of the castle town, stopped by the river briefly, then returned to their lodgings. They didn't go to the castle.
(This is why I said initially that people's impressions of this afternoon's performance will vary hugely, depending on whether they watched it live or not).1 -
And that hospital deaths look like probably be sub 100 per day by end of the week.Saltire said:This press conference should be about what else could be re-opening in the coming weeks and somewhat positive.
But instead it is sidetracked to being all about Cummings and not about the country and what is going to be changing in the future.1 -
They were't terribly efficient at getting rid of the last one - it seemed to rumble on forever.FrancisUrquhart said:Tories are if nothing else very effective at getting rid of leaders, they will axe him in 2021.
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Watch the words with care. None of them lend actual support to the totality of the story or exonerate DC.Cyclefree said:
She’s cunning.HYUFD said:Pro Cummings tweets from Hancock and Raab
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1264975804208947208?s=20
https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/1264968022239981569?s=20
Rishi Sunak followed Boris and backed Cummings over the weekend
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1264138986848759809?s=20
Still no tweets or statements of support for Cummings from Priti Patel0 -
Johnson seemed a little, rattled0
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I have been saying that for sometimeAnabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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That was Corbyn level stuff.1
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'king hell. Why didn't they get a safe pair of hands like Shapps or Jenrick to do it rather than that lightweight dickhead?1
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The government is reduced to using public health relaxations as ineffectual dead cats to distract from the fury caused by the Prime Minister’s chief adviser. That all by itself shows why he needs to resign.1
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Glad you are enjoying him trying to move on, and failing miserablyBrom said:Taunting the press with his glasses. Got to love him!
Guess what the best way to do that would be.0 -
I'm not sure they are better but they are more interested in it.Pulpstar said:Journalists are much better at the political scandal than the general health questions.
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I think the public care about shops.rottenborough said:What shit journalism. Don't ask a 2nd question taht is about the stuff he wants to talk about e.g shops.
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I can't believe that any Tory MP has watched the last couple of days and thought "he's doing a good job".FrancisUrquhart said:
I genuinely.think he will be retired. He has got the Tories a majority, now he is just a liability.Anabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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Genuinely one of the worst conferences he has done1
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Not going to happen. People acted ridiculously about unclear authority to make decisions even when he had a named deputy and was in intensive care, there's no way those same people accept Boris could take a break to recover.Anabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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Not if his eyesight wasn't defective.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LiberalSimon/status/1264956500637880320
Broke. The. Law.0 -
PSA: It’s pronounced “Bar-nud Cassle” not “Bar-nard Car-Sell”0
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They care an awful lot more about shops, than they do about the PM's advisor!Philip_Thompson said:
I think the public care about shops.rottenborough said:What shit journalism. Don't ask a 2nd question taht is about the stuff he wants to talk about e.g shops.
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Or possibly cunnin.Cyclefree said:
She’s cunning.HYUFD said:Pro Cummings tweets from Hancock and Raab
https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1264975804208947208?s=20
https://twitter.com/DominicRaab/status/1264968022239981569?s=20
Rishi Sunak followed Boris and backed Cummings over the weekend
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1264138986848759809?s=20
Still no tweets or statements of support for Cummings from Priti Patel0 -
In fairness he did fine there. Handles questions with easebigjohnowls said:
Glad you are enjoying him trying to move on, and failing miserablyBrom said:Taunting the press with his glasses. Got to love him!
Guess what the best way to do that would be.1 -
He managed to act like a normal person when he answered each question, but in between his facial features would slip into a weird sneer before he would hastily rearrange them again for the next question.Brom said:One other positive for Dom is he came across as fairly normal and not some kind of scuttling weirdo. For any fans he has lost he might gain a few new ones
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I am now even angrier than when Johnson started.
Unbelievable performance. An absolute low in this whole saga.
Apart from anything else gave the impression that he can't be bothered answering any of this stuff anymore.
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Wasn't Cummings meant to be gone by now? You seemed pretty certain about it.rottenborough said:I am now even angrier than when Johnson started.
Unbelievable performance. An absolute low in this whole saga.
Apart from anything else gave the impression that he can't be bothered answering any of this stuff anymore.0 -
Was that one thing DC got right when he was speaking?Gallowgate said:PSA: It’s pronounced “Bar-nud Cassle” not “Bar-nard Car-Sell”
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I was expecting(?) two spikes anyway. We should be in the middle of the second one if it was going to happen. In addition, if the relaxation announced two weeks ago had gone wrong, we should see strong evidence of it by now. I squint and I squint and I'm not sure I see owt. Next likely one in two weeks time, keep an eye out.Anabobazina said:
Well quite. There seems to be a weird assumption that a) there will be a second wave (despite the fact that no other country has had one) and b) it will arrive at the worst possible time in the depths of winter.Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.
Now, both a) and b) might prove true, but what are these assumptions based on? Evidence or hyperbole?
*its not quite the right word, but its near enough
The likely presence of a second wave is based on three underlying assumptions, as far as I can see. First is historical - that the last big pandemic had a deadlier second wave. Given that the two viruses are different, perhaps a pinch of salt is needed. Second, that we have flu seasons every year. Third, is related: it appears a solid bet that the warmer weather and sunlight will hinder how the virus transmits. It won't kill it outright (see infamous French study) but it will have an effect. So it is still around when the weather takes a turn for the worse and we all move back inside and start getting other bugs ...
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I'd like to see Sir Graham's letter box tomorrow morning. That was fucking awful even by the awful standards of last few days.glw said:
I can't believe that any Tory MP has watched the last couple of days and thought "he's doing a good job".FrancisUrquhart said:
I genuinely.think he will be retired. He has got the Tories a majority, now he is just a liability.Anabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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You're now arguing with posters that are generally supportive of the Conservatives. Going well..BluestBlue said:
Care to put a date on it? 'Cos that's bollocks.tlg86 said:Johnson's finished.
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Re the car journey why didnt he just ask for a government driver!?0
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In the shorter term, I agree with Anabob.1
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It would at least give them a line to use.Theuniondivvie said:
As if anyone would believe that the SCons wouldn't fold like a house of cards in the unlikely event of HMG asking them what they thought.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's a political opportunity for unionism if Scotland requires furlough money for longer. Played carefully, it could even benefit the non-existent Scottish Tories, as they could be given a role in 'tense behind the scenes negotiations with the Chancellor'.solarflare said:Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
And the gap in lockdown restriction easing is getting bigger not smaller.
It strikes me that Sturgeon would like to be refused additional furlough for Scotland and use it to make a point about the cruel colonial masters putting Scottish lives in danger for want of a few groats. In so doing, she risks that they cough up and use it to make the opposite point.0 -
His wife needed to be in the car - it was her who was worried about him being safe to drive. So the son had to come because he was too young to stay home alone and it would have been a breach of the rules to intermingle two householdsAndy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.1 -
I am just repeating what Mr Cummings actually said, because a lot of others are saying he said something different.OllyT said:
I don't know how you can keep your face straight repeating that story. He knew he'd been rumbled and there was proof he'd been seen in Barnard Castle and that cock-and-bull story is about the best he could come up with to try and justify it. I did watch it live by the way.Sandpit said:
Except that he explicitly said he didn't go to the castle.algarkirk said:Verdict? A farrago of confected nonsense put together only once enough time had passed to know what were the hard bits of evidence his case had to meet - hence the admission he had been to Barnard Castle.
His description carefully included all the firm sightings, and placed them in as innocent a context as possible. It ended up all too smooth to be anything other than a post hoc rationalisation. It included as little as possible which might one day be contradicted by new evidence. So a reasonable effort except for one thing.
The Barnard Castle thing on Easter Day had always stood out as a problem, and the failure to admit or account for it earlier suggests a hope, until yesterday (PM evaded it) or today, that it could be denied.
His explanation was plainly fanciful. Really apart from complex and true explanations (which of the lawful sort were clearly not available) he would have done better to use 'exercise'. Actually I think he was on a trip out, unlike the millions denied a trip to church on Easter Day.
His weakness here undermines his credibility generally. So, ultimately a fail.
He went with his family for a short drive, because he wasn't sure if driving would make him feel unwell, and wanted to take a short drive before undertaking a much longer drive back to work.
They went to the outskirts of the castle town, stopped by the river briefly, then returned to their lodgings. They didn't go to the castle.
(This is why I said initially that people's impressions of this afternoon's performance will vary hugely, depending on whether they watched it live or not).0 -
Why should he answer this anymore? Cummings spent a very long time answering questions, people were even joking here about doing a Vinnick it went on so long. Why ask the same questions again to the PM an hour later unless it's related to the PM?rottenborough said:I am now even angrier than when Johnson started.
Unbelievable performance. An absolute low in this whole saga.
Apart from anything else gave the impression that he can't be bothered answering any of this stuff anymore.2 -
If Dom had gone Saturday, Boris could have been standing there say see leadership, got to stick to the rules, all in this together and btw we are winning, deaths down, some shops to open...
It was actually what did Cameron a lot of good.over expenses scandal, while Gordo mutter and wibbled.1 -
NoCorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely one of the worst conferences he has done
Yesterday was by far the worst he has done.
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I'll happily accept your best guess too, never fear!Theuniondivvie said:
You're now arguing with posters that are generally supportive of the Conservatives. Going well..BluestBlue said:
Care to put a date on it? 'Cos that's bollocks.tlg86 said:Johnson's finished.
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All shops can open from 15/6
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I thought he was significantly better today than yesterday, but then yesterdays was the worst I have ever seen for him so a low bar.rottenborough said:I am now even angrier than when Johnson started.
Unbelievable performance. An absolute low in this whole saga.
Apart from anything else gave the impression that he can't be bothered answering any of this stuff anymore.1 -
There is nothing genuine you ever write about the Tories/Boris. Its a given its bile ridden. You are some sort of Labour party official are you not ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely one of the worst conferences he has done
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What, the Guardian's been caught printing unadulterated bullshit? Well I never!TGOHF666 said:The Guardian look dumb now
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Yes, I am in fact Keir Starmer.squareroot2 said:
There is nothing genuine you ever write about the Tories/Boris. Its a given its bile ridden. You are some sort of Labour party official are you not ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely one of the worst conferences he has done
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In the middle of a crisis he'd be just holding up a big neon sign saying "I can't do this job".Anabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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So following classic Dom's sage advice today I'm going to confirm whether or not I have Parkinson's disease by attempting to use an angle grinder to cut-up a paving slab supported between two dogs. If all three of us survive I guess its a no!5
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Well, returning to work in the afternoon is the first breach of the law before we even get to the 350 mile Durham trips.CorrectHorseBattery said:1 -
Agreed. Why on earth then has he not done that?FrancisUrquhart said:If Dom had gone Saturday, Boris could have been standing there say see leadership, got to stick to the rules, all in this together and btw we are winning, deaths down, some shops to open...
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A tiny footnote from C4 News: No less a luminary than Andrew Bridgen, while given every opportunity and asked the question direct, resolutely declined to agree that he believed DC about the 12 April journey.0
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Remember their front page on Milly Dowler was incorrect too. As was 99% of Carole Conspiracy. They really aren't any better than the rest when it comes to accuracy, however much they like to think they are a bastion of virtue.TGOHF666 said:The Guardian look dumb now
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I think you have better uses of your time, Sir Keir, but congratulations on showing up your predecessor in record time.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes, I am in fact Keir Starmer.squareroot2 said:
There is nothing genuine you ever write about the Tories/Boris. Its a given its bile ridden. You are some sort of Labour party official are you not ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely one of the worst conferences he has done
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Explained very patiently Charles.Charles said:
His wife needed to be in the car - it was her who was worried about him being safe to drive. So the son had to come because he was too young to stay home alone and it would have been a breach of the rules to intermingle two householdsAndy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.1 -
Witchcraft trials might be making a comeback too.anotherex_tory said:So following classic Dom's sage advice today I'm going to confirm whether or not I have Parkinson's disease by attempting to use an angle grinder to cut-up a paving slab supported between two dogs. If all three of us survive I guess its a no!
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You cannot have a place in my cabinet.kle4 said:
I think you have better uses of your time, Sir Keir, but congratulations on showing up your predecessor in record time.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes, I am in fact Keir Starmer.squareroot2 said:
There is nothing genuine you ever write about the Tories/Boris. Its a given its bile ridden. You are some sort of Labour party official are you not ?CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely one of the worst conferences he has done
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So, the front page headline that started all of this was a made-up lie materially untrue?TGOHF666 said:The Guardian look dumb now
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Presumably the Guardian will be apologising to Mr Cummings, and printing their correction on page 1 tomorrow?3 -
It's not based on any of that. It's based on the fact that probably not more than about 10% of the population has been infected, so the remainder of the population is still susceptible. If restrictions are relaxed to the extent that R > 1 then any small outbreaks will grow exponentially, just like the original infections that originated from China. Unless contact tracing can cope with it. And in this country we still have well over 100,000 active cases.BannedinnParis said:
I was expecting(?) two spikes anyway. We should be in the middle of the second one if it was going to happen. In addition, if the relaxation announced two weeks ago had gone wrong, we should see strong evidence of it by now. I squint and I squint and I'm not sure I see owt. Next likely one in two weeks time, keep an eye out.Anabobazina said:
Well quite. There seems to be a weird assumption that a) there will be a second wave (despite the fact that no other country has had one) and b) it will arrive at the worst possible time in the depths of winter.Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.
Now, both a) and b) might prove true, but what are these assumptions based on? Evidence or hyperbole?
*its not quite the right word, but its near enough
The likely presence of a second wave is based on three underlying assumptions, as far as I can see. First is historical - that the last big pandemic had a deadlier second wave. Given that the two viruses are different, perhaps a pinch of salt is needed. Second, that we have flu seasons every year. Third, is related: it appears a solid bet that the warmer weather and sunlight will hinder how the virus transmits. It won't kill it outright (see infamous French study) but it will have an effect. So it is still around when the weather takes a turn for the worse and we all move back inside and start getting other bugs ...0 -
I don't think the neon sign is necessary tbh.solarflare said:
In the middle of a crisis he'd be just holding up a big neon sign saying "I can't do this job".Anabobazina said:Bozza Johnson should take a break, seriously. He needs a rest and it’s a farce having him continue in this state. Let someone else act as caretaker and give him a month off.
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Why didnt they get a govt driver, or hire one themselves?Charles said:
His wife needed to be in the car - it was her who was worried about him being safe to drive. So the son had to come because he was too young to stay home alone and it would have been a breach of the rules to intermingle two householdsAndy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.0 -
Would be a shock if a Durham lad got it wrong.tlg86 said:
Was that one thing DC got right when he was speaking?Gallowgate said:PSA: It’s pronounced “Bar-nud Cassle” not “Bar-nard Car-Sell”
Bet he can do Prudhoe, Ponteland and Chester-le-street too.0 -
Because Cummings is a valued member of his team who acted reasonably as the Police confirmed and has been unreasonably attacked by the Guardian who've printed lies about him in a politically motivated witch-hunt?Benpointer said:
Agreed. Why on earth then has he not done that?FrancisUrquhart said:If Dom had gone Saturday, Boris could have been standing there say see leadership, got to stick to the rules, all in this together and btw we are winning, deaths down, some shops to open...
If you show no backbone to every witch-hunt then where does it end?1
