politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Cummings press conference – what’s your verdict?
Comments
-
TheScreamingEagles said:
My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.0 -
For general driving ability, that is true or true-ish; the more austere view being that the precautionary principle says If in doubt, don't, and the nitpicking logician says if you suspect your ability to drive is impaired how can you be confident about your ability to assess your ability to drive? And your ability to assess...Philip_Thompson said:
I have addressed it repeatedly. Safety comes first. Before going on a long cross country drive after illness going on a short drive first makes sense.Gallowgate said:@Philip_Thompson has yet to address this, obviously.
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1264963267136544769?s=21
The one, sole, solitary thing you can test without getting into a car, and can test objectively, is your eyesight. The test is set out on lie:
"Before you can start the driving test you must demonstrate that your eyesight is good enough to be able to drive safely. You do this by reading a clean number plate of the old style from a minimum distance of 20.5 metres (approximately 67 feet or 5 car lengths)."0 -
Cummings's wife can drive says Piers.
0 -
Well he said the trip towards the Barnard Castle area to test it was safe to drive for him, but why didn't let his wife drive instead if he wasn't sure about driving.Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.0 -
I think the questions made it a real car crash.
Lucky his family weren't in the car this time.1 -
Boris opening out door markets and car showrooms from 1st June and all shops from the 15th June
0 -
The return to London wasn’t required hence the trip to Barrie definitely wasn’t required.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.1 -
The Barnard Castle story is such nonsense that anyone who believes it must be a complete fool.3
-
One other positive for Dom is he came across as fairly normal and not some kind of scuttling weirdo. For any fans he has lost he might gain a few new ones2
-
Boris isn't going to make the next 4 years. He wasn't great at Q&A at the best of times, trying to bluster through, but since having coronavirus he is useless. He can't even remember the question being asked most of the time.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cummings press conference is the first time I have ever heard him speak and I expect he may have done sufficient to remain in place. The vox pop from Barnard Castle was quite positive for him especially from women
My anger is directed at Boris for his abymissal performance last night confirming my concern that he is not recovered. He made the issue worse, much worse0 -
Which is why you wait for them to be asleep before leaving...TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you ever driven in a car with a young child?Andy_JS said:It's not that difficult to sit in a car for 4 hours as long as you go to the loo just beforehand and don't drink too much during the journey.
0 -
Driving back to London was necessary to get back to work.Gallowgate said:
What are you on about? He was safely at his Parent’s house. The harm had already been avoided. Driving back to London was not necessary to avoid harm. Certainly not if his vision was impaired. You’re embarrassing yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.
He didn't think his vision was still impaired but wanted to make sure he was fit to drive with his wife in car to take over if he felt the need. How is that not reasonable?0 -
If it was illegal to use your own second home and illegal to rent a home off someone else, it was clearly illegal to use someone else’s spare home free of charge. A point a certain PB’er also failed to understand.Sandpit said:
He doesn't "have a second home", his parents and sister live on a farm and had a empty lodging he could use.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Yes but the problem is he's downplaying the fact he had a second home to go to in the first place. How many have that, I wish I could do that.Brom said:
It's probably a basic building, I haven't seen it. Think he wanted to dispel the media illusion it was some regal country pile like ChequersCorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
Because the vision story is bollocks. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.Philip_Thompson said:
Driving back to London was necessary to get back to work.Gallowgate said:
What are you on about? He was safely at his Parent’s house. The harm had already been avoided. Driving back to London was not necessary to avoid harm. Certainly not if his vision was impaired. You’re embarrassing yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.
He didn't think his vision was still impaired but wanted to make sure he was fit to drive with his wife in car to take over if he felt the need. How is that not reasonable?0 -
Obviously there is a suspicion that the virus may be more transmissible during the Winter, because other coronaviruses are.Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.0 -
-
Boris right now - isolate if you have symptoms and get a test.
Okaaay..
0 -
Reminds me of a conversation on South Uist, New Year's Eve, 30+ years ago:TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm sorry this is utter bollocks, if I wasn't sure about my ability to drive, I wouldn't take my kids along to make sure, I'd have left them with the nieces.Sandpit said:
Because he never actually met his nieces during his trip, as he said today.TheScreamingEagles said:
So why take his son? He had nieces who could look after the child if he wasn't sure about his ability to drive?Philip_Thompson said:
I have addressed it repeatedly. Safety comes first. Before going on a long cross country drive after illness going on a short drive first makes sense.Gallowgate said:@Philip_Thompson has yet to address this, obviously.
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1264963267136544769?s=21
They were on standby in case both parents fell sick at the same time and were unable to look after him, but as it happens weren't required.
"Mary Kate, where's Callum?" (her son).
"He has gone to Lochboisdale."
"What, walking? In this weather?"
"No, he was too drunk to walk, poor boy. He had to take the car."4 -
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.1 -
John Major managed 7 years despite being not very good and having a small majority he frittered away. Boris did 8 as Mayor and is capable of doing more than 5 but I suspect Sunak will fight the next election.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris isn't going to make the next 4 years. He wasn't great at Q&A at the best of times, trying to bluster through, but since having coronavirus he is useless. He can't even remember the question being asked most of the time.Big_G_NorthWales said:Cummings press conference is the first time I have ever heard him speak and I expect he may have done sufficient to remain in place. The vox pop from Barnard Castle was quite positive for him especially from women
My anger is directed at Boris for his abymissal performance last night confirming my concern that he is not recovered. He made the issue worse, much worse1 -
Big announcement from the PM about retail - but do the media still think the movements of his SpAd two months ago is more important?4
-
Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
And the gap in lockdown restriction easing is getting bigger not smaller.
0 -
The whole story is bollocks. If people can stomach him driving his wife from London to Durham when she had COVID-19 symptoms, there's no point arguing over the minutiae.Gallowgate said:
Because the vision story is bollocks. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.Philip_Thompson said:
Driving back to London was necessary to get back to work.Gallowgate said:
What are you on about? He was safely at his Parent’s house. The harm had already been avoided. Driving back to London was not necessary to avoid harm. Certainly not if his vision was impaired. You’re embarrassing yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.
He didn't think his vision was still impaired but wanted to make sure he was fit to drive with his wife in car to take over if he felt the need. How is that not reasonable?4 -
It doesn't.solarflare said:Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
0 -
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
Because his parents couldn't leave him on his own.CorrectHorseBattery said:
How could his son help if he felt sick?Sandpit said:
He didn't want to drive on his own, in case he felt sick. He said this today.CorrectHorseBattery said:
With a kid in the car - for 30 miles.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
You're so off the deep end
He also said today, that his family of three never met with anyone else during their whole trip, so if the wife came along, their son would too.0 -
What you’d do in this hypothetical “didn’t happen” scenario is irrelevant.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
There are so many devastating admissions like this that obsessing about whether people can go 4 hours without peeing (spoiler: they can) is insane.Andrew said:Went home to wife, who says she has coronavirus symptoms, then goes straight back to Downing Street without ever getting tested.
Nothing else matters above this - he could have infected half the government and senior health figures, and seriously impacted the state's response to the pandemic.
Cummings confessed to so much there is barely a revelation left that the press can turn up.
Only picking apart his preposterous Castle story counts and that was so vague he can wriggle out of it easily.0 -
His nieces not available?Sandpit said:
Because his parents couldn't leave him on his own.CorrectHorseBattery said:
How could his son help if he felt sick?Sandpit said:
He didn't want to drive on his own, in case he felt sick. He said this today.CorrectHorseBattery said:
With a kid in the car - for 30 miles.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
You're so off the deep end
He also said today, that his family of three never met with anyone else during their whole trip, so if the wife came along, their son would too.0 -
Well quite. There seems to be a weird assumption that a) there will be a second wave (despite the fact that no other country has had one) and b) it will arrive at the worst possible time in the depths of winter.Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.
Now, both a) and b) might prove true, but what are these assumptions based on? Evidence or hyperbole?0 -
He's got an encrypted laptop.Philip_Thompson said:
Driving back to London was necessary to get back to work.Gallowgate said:
What are you on about? He was safely at his Parent’s house. The harm had already been avoided. Driving back to London was not necessary to avoid harm. Certainly not if his vision was impaired. You’re embarrassing yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.
He didn't think his vision was still impaired but wanted to make sure he was fit to drive with his wife in car to take over if he felt the need. How is that not reasonable?
We've been instructed to work from home if possible.
I've been doing so for ten sodding weeks non-stop.
And Cummings couldn't keep doing it for another few days?
"You may travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot
work from home."
0 -
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
That is exactly what happens with the flu...that is why they call it seasonal.....Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.
I don' think we'll do a lockdown again.....but I cannot imagine this Xmas is going to be overfilling with parties......
0 -
It's the narcissism of small differences but of course it's very very important for Sturgeon for Scotland to be doing something different to England.solarflare said:Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
And the gap in lockdown restriction easing is getting bigger not smaller.0 -
Solid question from member of the public on quarantine....clear, concise...
Boris already waffling and no answer. I can't believe they haven't got the quarantine procedure nailed down given everybody else has done it & had months to think about it.0 -
No the idea is why couldn't Mary drive back and therefore why was the trip to Barnard Castle necessary to see if Dom could drive?Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.1 -
It's entirely relevant. If it's reasonable it's legal.Gallowgate said:
What you’d do in this hypothetical “didn’t happen” scenario is irrelevant.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
Medical advice said he could. If say advising the PM is an important job.Andy_Cooke said:
He's got an encrypted laptop.Philip_Thompson said:
Driving back to London was necessary to get back to work.Gallowgate said:
What are you on about? He was safely at his Parent’s house. The harm had already been avoided. Driving back to London was not necessary to avoid harm. Certainly not if his vision was impaired. You’re embarrassing yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.
He didn't think his vision was still impaired but wanted to make sure he was fit to drive with his wife in car to take over if he felt the need. How is that not reasonable?
We've been instructed to work from home if possible.
I've been doing so for ten sodding weeks non-stop.
And Cummings couldn't keep doing it for another few days?
"You may travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot
work from home."1 -
No, they never met his nieces. As he said today.CorrectHorseBattery said:
His nieces not available?Sandpit said:
Because his parents couldn't leave him on his own.CorrectHorseBattery said:
How could his son help if he felt sick?Sandpit said:
He didn't want to drive on his own, in case he felt sick. He said this today.CorrectHorseBattery said:
With a kid in the car - for 30 miles.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
You're so off the deep end
He also said today, that his family of three never met with anyone else during their whole trip, so if the wife came along, their son would too.0 -
News to me. The car showroom in my village has been open for a fortnight.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris opening out door markets and car showrooms from 1st June and all shops from the 15th June
0 -
Half an hour normally for me personally as a rule of thumb. Not sure what the speed limit is there.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
One near me came back to life two week's ago too.dixiedean said:
News to me. The car showroom in my village has been open for a fortnight.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris opening out door markets and car showrooms from 1st June and all shops from the 15th June
0 -
He said that they stopped at Barnard's Castle near the river because he felt to sick to continue.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think he said he was too sick to continue did he? I thought he said his child needed to relieve themselves?Andy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.
Anyway I've regularly driven in the car with my children and felt the need to pull over because I'm tired from the drive and need a break before continuing. Motorways across the country always say to take a break. I don't see that as an issue?
Note that at this point, Mary (who had been a lot less ill) did not take over the driving duties.
They were spotted by an elderly gentleman, who said hello.
Then he was feeling better and they headed off. The kid said he needed the loo, which was why they were seen outside all playing together and enjoying the woods at the local beauty spot.1 -
Could he point on a map where he went to?Sandpit said:
Except that he explicitly said he didn't go to the castle.algarkirk said:Verdict? A farrago of confected nonsense put together only once enough time had passed to know what were the hard bits of evidence his case had to meet - hence the admission he had been to Barnard Castle.
His description carefully included all the firm sightings, and placed them in as innocent a context as possible. It ended up all too smooth to be anything other than a post hoc rationalisation. It included as little as possible which might one day be contradicted by new evidence. So a reasonable effort except for one thing.
The Barnard Castle thing on Easter Day had always stood out as a problem, and the failure to admit or account for it earlier suggests a hope, until yesterday (PM evaded it) or today, that it could be denied.
His explanation was plainly fanciful. Really apart from complex and true explanations (which of the lawful sort were clearly not available) he would have done better to use 'exercise'. Actually I think he was on a trip out, unlike the millions denied a trip to church on Easter Day.
His weakness here undermines his credibility generally. So, ultimately a fail.
He went with his family for a short drive, because he wasn't sure if driving would make him feel unwell, and wanted to take a short drive before undertaking a much longer drive back to work.
They went to the outskirts of the castle town, stopped by the river briefly, then returned to their lodgings. They didn't go to the castle.
(This is why I said initially that people's impressions of this afternoon's performance will vary hugely, depending on whether they watched it live or not).0 -
Does anyone know today's numbers for tests and positive cases ?0
-
I know women who can drive and do but do not want to do long motorway driving.Saltire said:
No the idea is why couldn't Mary drive back and therefore why was the trip to Barnard Castle necessary to see if Dom could drive?Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.
So, its a possible that Cummings is not lying through his beanie on this one.0 -
Like I said, you’re really doing yourself a huge disservice here. This is embarrassing.Philip_Thompson said:
It's entirely relevant. If it's reasonable it's legal.Gallowgate said:
What you’d do in this hypothetical “didn’t happen” scenario is irrelevant.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
For 30 miles, yes or no.Philip_Thompson said:
Half an hour normally for me personally as a rule of thumb. Not sure what the speed limit is there.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.0 -
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1264961896224079873?s=19another_richard said:Does anyone know today's numbers for tests and positive cases ?
2 -
"It is your responsibility not to go out if you are unwell" - Deputy CMO
Top top trolling!!!0 -
Wrong. The medical advice he claims he got was at the end of his jaunt to Durham, What Andrew is referring to is the fact he admitted that at the very beginning he went back home when he was told that his wife had Covid symptoms and he went back to No 10 in the afternoon when he should have stayed home isolating. Given that he then claims he was very ill a couple of days later how many people might he have infected by going back to No 10?.Brom said:
It said in the conference he got medical advice about returning to work so presume you are blaming the doctor.Andrew said:Went home to wife, who says she has coronavirus symptoms, then goes straight back to Downing Street without ever getting tested.
Nothing else matters above this - he could have infected half the government and senior health figures, and seriously impacted the state's response to the pandemic.1 -
Eyesight is going to run and run, big error0
-
Which he could do over an encrypted connection.Brom said:
Medical advice said he could. If say advising the PM is an important job.Andy_Cooke said:
He's got an encrypted laptop.Philip_Thompson said:
Driving back to London was necessary to get back to work.Gallowgate said:
What are you on about? He was safely at his Parent’s house. The harm had already been avoided. Driving back to London was not necessary to avoid harm. Certainly not if his vision was impaired. You’re embarrassing yourself.Philip_Thompson said:
Not if you're doing it to avoid harm it's not.Gallowgate said:
Whether its a good idea or not is irrelevant mate. Its in breach of the law.Philip_Thompson said:
You think it's a good idea after an illness to drive cross country without doing a short drive first is a good idea?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Seems like a good idea to do a small drive before a long one to me. Like a warm up before exercise.
Doing a cross country drive if you're not safe to do so is harmful. Doing a short drive first makes sense to avoid the harm of that.
He didn't think his vision was still impaired but wanted to make sure he was fit to drive with his wife in car to take over if he felt the need. How is that not reasonable?
We've been instructed to work from home if possible.
I've been doing so for ten sodding weeks non-stop.
And Cummings couldn't keep doing it for another few days?
"You may travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot
work from home."
Bearing in mind that the PM was just discharged from hospital on that very day and Downing Street announced he'd be at Chequers and "would be taking a break from work while he recovers."
He did not return to work for another two weeks.0 -
Hmmmm, perhaps, but all one can say to that is that this particular virus went on the rampage and caused its peak of mortality during what will be the sunniest, and what may well also be the warmest, Spring ever recorded in the UK. Thus if temperature is the key determinant then you'd think we'd probably be right back in the doo-doo no later than October.Chris said:
Obviously there is a suspicion that the virus may be more transmissible during the Winter, because other coronaviruses are.Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.0 -
Could she drive for five hours? Would she do so after an illness without testing her abilities first? Honestly this just comes across as pathetically trying to find something to score with.Saltire said:
No the idea is why couldn't Mary drive back and therefore why was the trip to Barnard Castle necessary to see if Dom could drive?Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.
I don't know about other families each are different. In mine I am the one who drives. For my parents both drive but my mum doesn't do cross country drives.0 -
This banter is failing to address the central issue.
When are pubs reopening?4 -
BJ was too ill to really take in what he was initially told about Dom's road trip. Handy..0
-
Why did he have to check if he could drive? His wife can drive.Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.2 -
Can't see it !!!!!!CorrectHorseBattery said:Eyesight is going to run and run, big error
3 -
Boris admits he was told where Dom was. Just too ill that it didn't register. Tries to follow it up with some emoting.
He isn't Blair.0 -
This is especially true regarding retail. Small and open markets are part of stage 2 of the Scottish plan whilst large retail units are part of stage 3. Therefore we could see somewhere like John Lewis reopen in England more than a month before they can in Scotland.solarflare said:Biggest question I have now is how the UK hangs together when in a few days England and Scotland at least are one whole step out of phase. Boris is talking about phase 2 from June 1. Sturgeon is talking about phase 1 from 28 May.
And the gap in lockdown restriction easing is getting bigger not smaller.0 -
Drive 260 milesSunil_Prasannan said:
STAY HOMEPhilip_Thompson said:
That just happened to be after his quarantine period and just before his cross country drive home. What a coincidence.CorrectHorseBattery said:
He went for a drive to test his eyesight, a 30 mile drive that just so happened to be on his wife's birthday.Sandpit said:
Except that he explicitly said he didn't go to the castle.algarkirk said:Verdict? A farrago of confected nonsense put together only once enough time had passed to know what were the hard bits of evidence his case had to meet - hence the admission he had been to Barnard Castle.
His description carefully included all the firm sightings, and placed them in as innocent a context as possible. It ended up all too smooth to be anything other than a post hoc rationalisation. It included as little as possible which might one day be contradicted by new evidence. So a reasonable effort except for one thing.
The Barnard Castle thing on Easter Day had always stood out as a problem, and the failure to admit or account for it earlier suggests a hope, until yesterday (PM evaded it) or today, that it could be denied.
His explanation was plainly fanciful. Really apart from complex and true explanations (which of the lawful sort were clearly not available) he would have done better to use 'exercise'. Actually I think he was on a trip out, unlike the millions denied a trip to church on Easter Day.
His weakness here undermines his credibility generally. So, ultimately a fail.
He went with his family for a short drive, because he wasn't sure if driving would make him feel unwell, and wanted to take a short drive before undertaking a much longer drive back to work.
They went to the outskirts of the castle town, stopped by the river briefly, then returned to their lodgings. They didn't go to the castle.
(This is why I said initially that people's impressions of this afternoon's performance will vary hugely, depending on whether they watched it live or not).
Come on now, you're just being silly
PROTECT THE NHS
SAVE LIVES
Use the NHS as if on holiday
Drive 260 miles home0 -
That's a low number of positive tests.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1264961896224079873?s=19another_richard said:Does anyone know today's numbers for tests and positive cases ?
Even if there's a weekend/holiday factor that still encouraging.1 -
"I drove for an hour every morning, slaloming past the road rage wrecks of battered trucks, up the 135 from Dallas to Denton".rottenborough said:
I know women who can drive and do but do not want to do long motorway driving.Saltire said:
No the idea is why couldn't Mary drive back and therefore why was the trip to Barnard Castle necessary to see if Dom could drive?Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.
So, its a possible that Cummings is not lying through his beanie on this one.
Yes, she sound like my nan in her old Austin Allegro nervously popping to Kwik Save every other Sunday.2 -
Johnson trying to get the ship back from its massive listing.
Desperate.0 -
Killer question from Peston.0
-
Peston managing to take 5 mins to ask a question.1
-
No follow ups.
Again.
0 -
Eyesight was such a big mistake!0
-
She also works in media and lives in central London, with good transport options. She may have a driving licence but not drive on a regular basis, if at all.rottenborough said:
I know women who can drive and do but do not want to do long motorway driving.Saltire said:
No the idea is why couldn't Mary drive back and therefore why was the trip to Barnard Castle necessary to see if Dom could drive?Charles said:
What unravelled? I didn’t get all the q&a but did he say Mary doesn’t drive?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/LeoHickman/status/1264964143985184768
Ah, that unravelled quickly.
So, its a possible that Cummings is not lying through his beanie on this one.0 -
Not a good look saying you missed your chance to ask that question to Dom.0
-
No one thinks temperature is the "key determinant." They think there may be a seasonal variation, as there is with other coronaviruses, and other respiratory diseases in general.Black_Rook said:
Hmmmm, perhaps, but all one can say to that is that this particular virus went on the rampage and caused its peak of mortality during what will be the sunniest, and what may well also be the warmest, Spring ever recorded in the UK. Thus if temperature is the key determinant then you'd think we'd probably be right back in the doo-doo no later than October.Chris said:
Obviously there is a suspicion that the virus may be more transmissible during the Winter, because other coronaviruses are.Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.0 -
The behaviour of Covid-19 doesn't appear to have been seasonal.tyson said:
That is exactly what happens with the flu...that is why they call it seasonal.....Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.
I don' think we'll do a lockdown again.....but I cannot imagine this Xmas is going to be overfilling with parties......0 -
I don't think BJ made up being ill and going into intensive care to give a handy covering of a story that would come out months later.Theuniondivvie said:BJ was too ill to really take in that he was initially told about Dom's road trip. Handy..
0 -
"People will have to make up their minds"
Okay Boris thanks, he broke the rules and he should be sacked0 -
Refuses to answer Peston's question.0
-
Boris interestingly wont answer for Dom.0
-
1
-
So now just going to not answer questions now? Utterly pathetic0
-
So, the public questions were all about the announcement and quarantine, but the media questions are all about Cummings?0
-
Why are journalists not insisting on a follow up as per normal.0
-
God, Johnson is shite at this.
Great question, Robert. But I'm not going to answer it.0 -
Beth can barerly contain her anger.0
-
That's reasonable to me. If you're driving and feel you need to stop Highway Code advice is to take a rest it's not that someone else has to take over and continue immediately.Andy_Cooke said:
He said that they stopped at Barnard's Castle near the river because he felt to sick to continue.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think he said he was too sick to continue did he? I thought he said his child needed to relieve themselves?Andy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.
Anyway I've regularly driven in the car with my children and felt the need to pull over because I'm tired from the drive and need a break before continuing. Motorways across the country always say to take a break. I don't see that as an issue?
Note that at this point, Mary (who had been a lot less ill) did not take over the driving duties.
They were spotted by an elderly gentleman, who said hello.
Then he was feeling better and they headed off. The kid said he needed the loo, which was why they were seen outside all playing together and enjoying the woods at the local beauty spot.0 -
PM tells Peston to bugger off!
1 -
Johnson's finished.0
-
This is really pathetic. Really, very pathetic.0
-
Yes but the PM does not know how the public questions are picked. Honest.Sandpit said:So, the public questions were all about the announcement and quarantine, but the media questions are all about Cummings?
0 -
Boris
Cannot give any unconditional backing to anyone0 -
The Highway Code says if you cannot drive with care and attention you should not be behind the wheel.Philip_Thompson said:
That's reasonable to me. If you're driving and feel you need to stop Highway Code advice is to take a rest it's not that someone else has to take over and continue immediately.Andy_Cooke said:
He said that they stopped at Barnard's Castle near the river because he felt to sick to continue.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think he said he was too sick to continue did he? I thought he said his child needed to relieve themselves?Andy_Cooke said:
With your kid in the car?Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
I wouldn’t, not if there was any reasonable chance I might be incapable. Such as when he was too sick to continue for a while at Barnard’s Castle.
Anyway I've regularly driven in the car with my children and felt the need to pull over because I'm tired from the drive and need a break before continuing. Motorways across the country always say to take a break. I don't see that as an issue?
Note that at this point, Mary (who had been a lot less ill) did not take over the driving duties.
They were spotted by an elderly gentleman, who said hello.
Then he was feeling better and they headed off. The kid said he needed the loo, which was why they were seen outside all playing together and enjoying the woods at the local beauty spot.
This is almost as idiotic as your trying to defend immigration with saying FOM is racist!0 -
If he does, he still didn't have an answer for dealing with quarantining new arrivals.rottenborough said:
Yes but the PM does not know how the public questions are picked. Honest.Sandpit said:So, the public questions were all about the announcement and quarantine, but the media questions are all about Cummings?
0 -
Done.0
-
Uhuh.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't think BJ made up being ill and going into intensive care to give a handy covering of a story that would come out months later.Theuniondivvie said:BJ was too ill to really take in that he was initially told about Dom's road trip. Handy..
Have there been studies on Covid-19 amnesia and is it likely to have affected BJ right up to his patchy recall of the narrative he gave yesterday?0 -
If the speed limit is 60 then yes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles, yes or no.Philip_Thompson said:
Half an hour normally for me personally as a rule of thumb. Not sure what the speed limit is there.CorrectHorseBattery said:
For 30 miles?Philip_Thompson said:
I'd only get behind the wheel if I felt my eyesight was up to it. But if I'd been sick or not driven for a long time I always do short drives before going on cross country drives.IanB2 said:
I would have thought it is possible to reassure yourself about your eyesight, or otherwise, without having to get behind the wheel of a car.Philip_Thompson said:
If I felt my vision currently impaired I wouldn't get behind the wheel.Andy_Cooke said:Just as a question: @Philip_Thompson - as the father of a young lad yourself, would you, if there was reason to suspect your eyesight might be impaired, test it by going for a 30-mile drive with your son in the car? Rather than, say, wait a few more days and check in over Zoom.
I really wouldn’t, myself, but I’m wondering if I’m overcautious
If I felt safe to drive but was concerned after a serious illness I'd certainly consider a short drive first before setting off on a cross country drive.
PS the half hour rule of thumb I've followed since I was 18, came from an RAC agent.0 -
Journalists are much better at the political scandal than the general health questions.2
-
Because for flu there is immunity in the population and people are vaccinated and the transmissibility is much lower than for COVID-19 anyway. For those reasons, any seasonal variation in COVID-19 isn't going to be the main factor as it is with flu.Black_Rook said:
The behaviour of Covid-19 doesn't appear to have been seasonal.tyson said:
That is exactly what happens with the flu...that is why they call it seasonal.....Black_Rook said:TheScreamingEagles said:My fear (well the fear of my father and his fellow medical professionals, sorry Eadric) is that the next wave will coincide with normal flu season/Christmas.
The government will say the elderly/vulnerable should shield, but people will ignore that and go visit elderly/vulnerable family over Christmas and they'll you have an even higher death toll than during the first wave.
On the general point of second waves, there has been no instance of which I'm aware of there being a major second outbreak after the end of the first, and even if such a thing were to happen in this country then I don't see why the virus would unaccountably lay dormant all through the Autumn and return with a vengeance in December.Anabobazina said:Has any other country had a “second wave”? If we don’t have a vaccine by then, we’ll have to live with the virus. We can’t go through this lockdown hell again.
If it's going to get bad again then one would've thought that it would start to happen following further easing of the lockdown restrictions, i.e. at some point during the Summer. Because if the shops open and that doesn't do much harm then we get at least some of the hospitality trade back in July, if that also does no harm we'll probably get the rest of it in August, if that does no harm we'll get the schoolkids back en masse in September, and if all of that doesn't cause a mass outbreak then I doubt that anything else will.
It seems to me that the only reason to imagine that the disease will wait and wait and wait until the Winter flu season is that a worse outcome can scarcely be imagined, but that's not a logical supposition - but I'm no expert, and if there is some good scientific reason for supposing a lengthy period of dormancy until Winter, regardless of whatever else occurs in the intervening six months, then I stand to be corrected.
I don' think we'll do a lockdown again.....but I cannot imagine this Xmas is going to be overfilling with parties......
But if you imagine R being somewhere around 1 after we come out of lockdown, seasonal variation might a difference between outbreaks dying away and outbreaks growing into a second wave.
If we're foolish enough to try to go completely back to normal while there are more cases than can be controlled through tracing, then of course there will be a second wave long before the winter.0
