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Unusually funny from you Tyson! I laughed.tyson said:
I've got two crates of San Miguel....was due on the 1st April....but if everyone claps at 10.00 for Tyson to get his beer tomorrow ..perhaps that will push it over the line....Sunil_Prasannan said:
UHT milk (expensive!) arrived at the weekend. Still, after 6 days without milk, I'm over the moo-n...SandyRentool said:In other news, we received a dozen eggs in today's food delivery.
I am, naturally, eggstatic.0 -
And inflation is comingtyson said:
Less good news on the 41 sheep.....Casino_Royale said:
Very good news on your daughter's grant.Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.0 -
We would, and the behaviour of the police over the last two weeks show how quickly the surrendering of those freedoms is exploited.stodge said:
Britain has a "Surveillance Commissioner" (apparently) whose job is to check on CCTV installations and ensure they are being operated properly.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Nobody likes the idea of living in a surveillance society, but it's somewhat endearing that people believe that they do not yet live in one.
Remember the aftermath of the 'Skripal incident'. It took HMG two weeks to present 'conclusive evidence' of the pattern of movement of the alleged perpetrators. They may have had that evidence even earlier but hesitated to disclose the full scale of the surveillance state's capabilities. The state is already able to deploy that amount of surveillance on anyone, just not on everyone at the same time. In the current crisis we will have to trust our betters to do it for our own good.
It's all about fear - make people frightened enough and they'll agree to anything.
Fear allows us to acquiesce to the security state whether it's fear of terrorism or fear of a virus.
I suspect if we got frightened enough we'd vote away our democratic rights as well.0 -
You are right...it has sadly become politicised.....Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is this is where this clapping nonsense ends.tyson said:
What a fucking pinhead....Theuniondivvie said:Vile, evil, lefty non-clapping!
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1247600583894278145?s=20
Everyone will want a round of applause for anything, and it will become politicised and divisive.
We need to clap, every Thursday, to cheer ourselves up and show solidarity with everyone, including Boris, the NHS, Tescos..anyone whose sick...and ourselves...we need to show collectivity about this shitshow...
And then, afterwards...we can all go back to arguing about Brexit.....
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By the way folks, if you think this lockdown is causing you some discomfort just be grateful you don't live in South Africa.
Where the sale of alcohol has been banned for the duration of their lockdown!
(and for the smokers amongst you so are cigarettes)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-520473742 -
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.1 -
It certainly left the harbour and started sailing. That doesn't mean it can't be recalled or its voyage limited.whunter said:
That boat has sailed. We've been sleepwalking in to a surveillance society for 20 years.Andy_JS said:
Aren't you concerned about sleepwalking into a surveillance society? I am.ABZ said:
I think people across the country will be willing to do this. And it can be cleverly put together in a way that does not compromise privacy. Fortunately, our NHS is very trusted, so if it's released as an NHS app I think it will probably have substantial uptake. Harder in countries with less centralised health systems perhaps.Andy_JS said:
Jeremy Cliffe wrote an article saying the same thing a couple of weeks ago.eadric said:Re Korea.
My wife expressed the fear today that the end result of this virus would be hi-tech surveillance states, with the authorities monitoring everything we do and everyone we meet. Countries that don’t do this will be crippled by the bug.
I think she’s on to something.
https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/2020/03/rise-bio-surveillance-state0 -
I am curious about the milk as two separate reports today show diary farmers spreading their milk across their fields as milk tankers fail to turn upCyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
Apparently with the closure of Starbucks, Costa and other coffee establishments the demand for milk has collapsed along with the price0 -
Cauliflower more than £2 at the fruit and veg stand at the hospital. The trader cannot get them at a decent price. They rotted in the floods.NickPalmer said:
Interesting - and congratulations for your daughter!Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
I wonder if that's the first straw in a hyperinflationary wind?
Some lovely Spanish oranges though and discount pineapple for my pizza.0 -
I'm on good form tonight...I thought my sheepshagging reference to Cycle's post was good...Casino_Royale said:
Unusually funny from you Tyson! I laughed.tyson said:
I've got two crates of San Miguel....was due on the 1st April....but if everyone claps at 10.00 for Tyson to get his beer tomorrow ..perhaps that will push it over the line....Sunil_Prasannan said:
UHT milk (expensive!) arrived at the weekend. Still, after 6 days without milk, I'm over the moo-n...SandyRentool said:In other news, we received a dozen eggs in today's food delivery.
I am, naturally, eggstatic.
My job took me to a very bizarre place today...
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Well the UK is getting new ventilators and CPAP masks...
In late February, the European Union launched a plan to buy equipment to tackle the coronavirus outbreak on behalf of its members.
It was aimed at reducing costs when negotiating with manufacturers. The first scheme involved buying masks and then, in March, three more schemes were added to purchase ventilators, testing kits and personal protective equipment.
But, to date, nothing has been bought and delivered.1 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the UK is getting new ventilators and CPAP masks...
In late February, the European Union launched a plan to buy equipment to tackle the coronavirus outbreak on behalf of its members.
It was aimed at reducing costs when negotiating with manufacturers. The first scheme involved buying masks and then, in March, three more schemes were added to purchase ventilators, testing kits and personal protective equipment.
But, to date, nothing has been bought and delivered.
Is that really surprising? Let's add another layer of bureaucracy onto it all, that's sure to speed it up.0 -
Yes I am very pleased for her. Impressive by the local council too.Casino_Royale said:
Very good news on your daughter's grant.Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
In other good news, I have found a long-term tenancy very close by with a view of the sea. It is even more isolated than where I am - just the two of us in a barn conversion half-way up a hillside. Lovely during long summer days but if am still locked down there next January .... well .....3 -
We must support our own farmers in this crisis and I agree with Cyclefreeedmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
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Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.0 -
I wonder if it is like the flour issue i.e. most flour is sold to industry in industrial sized bags and thus the whole packing and supply chain is setup for that. But no home baker wants 25kg bags of flour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am curious about the milk as two separate reports today show diary farmers spreading their milk across their fields as milk tankers fail to turn upCyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
Apparently with the closure of Starbucks, Costa and other coffee establishments the demand for milk has collapsed along with the price
There is no shortage of it in the UK, it is that at the moment, the system isn't setup to pack lots of 1kg bags.1 -
Hartlepool Headland?tyson said:
I'm on good form tonight...I thought my sheepshagging reference to Cycle's post was good...Casino_Royale said:
Unusually funny from you Tyson! I laughed.tyson said:
I've got two crates of San Miguel....was due on the 1st April....but if everyone claps at 10.00 for Tyson to get his beer tomorrow ..perhaps that will push it over the line....Sunil_Prasannan said:
UHT milk (expensive!) arrived at the weekend. Still, after 6 days without milk, I'm over the moo-n...SandyRentool said:In other news, we received a dozen eggs in today's food delivery.
I am, naturally, eggstatic.
My job took me to a very bizarre place today...0 -
It may be possible in smaller countries like Austria but it is fraught with danger and complications not least of re-igniting the outbreak much too quickly. In the Balearics and on the Costas most hotels have given up for this year and looking to re-open in 202. When push comes to shove there is not that much which can be done on a phased approach that doesn't risk the dam bursting. Most European nations will have several millions of 'at risk' people for whom a relaxation could be a potential death sentence.stodge said:
So what is the way out? Allow the virus to run loose through the population and accept the deaths as a necessary evil? Not sure that would be popular.isam said:
And we will quite likely be in the midst of a depression
Austria and some other European countries are talking about a slow and phased re-emergence from lock down - Kurz talked about re-opening non-essential stores of less than 4,300 square feet from next Tuesday with all other stores to re-open from May 1st.
However, social distancing remains in place along with the mandatory wearing of face masks so presumably they have 9 million or so available.
I'm trying to imagine how we could do that in terms of businesses operating and social distancing on public transport.
I'm not convinced.
This is why I am very frustrated to hear journalists clamouring for the exit strategy when we are probably 2/3 months before any significant loosening may be feasible. It would be the ultimate tragedy if the demands of the 24 hour news cycle ends up f***** up all the great sacrifices and work done so far. There already hints of whingeing that the spare new hospital; beds may end up not being used! FFS.1 -
Looks like they are coming to the end of the celery harvest watching from my balcony but would need to be able to go to the bar to confirm. Nice sunny day 18 no wind very quiet out and about.Foxy said:
Cauliflower more than £2 at the fruit and veg stand at the hospital. The trader cannot get them at a decent price. They rotted in the floods.NickPalmer said:
Interesting - and congratulations for your daughter!Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
I wonder if that's the first straw in a hyperinflationary wind?
Some lovely Spanish oranges though and discount pineapple for my pizza.0 -
Cyclefree said:
Yes I am very pleased for her. Impressive by the local council too.Casino_Royale said:
Very good news on your daughter's grant.Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
In other good news, I have found a long-term tenancy very close by with a view of the sea. It is even more isolated than where I am - just the two of us in a barn conversion half-way up a hillside. Lovely during long summer days but if am still locked down there next January .... well .....
Is there a spare room for me and my very long suffering...?
And for Trotsky too....
We'll all be quiet and well behaved.....promise
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Yup, same thing behind Japan's massive testing fail, until a month ago PCR tests were centralized in the National Institute of Infectious Diseases. Not only was their capacity limited, it also made for really slow turnaround times as they shuttled swabs around the country.BigRich said:
Where there has been success, (in testing) South Korea, Taiwan, German, Iceland, its largely been because the prived sectur have been most able to get involved in the testing, where its been worse the USA and UK its been because Public Health England and (PHE) and Center for Disise Control (CDC) band anybody except themselves from doing testing.
This really is the kind of place where you need leadership from the top, because a bureaucracy's number 1 top priority above every other objective, including stopping millions of people dying from the plague, is to protect its turf from rivals.0 -
When Corona is just a beer again and we're not distancing socially any more, how about we forget applause and organise a "clap for victory" weekend?tyson said:
You are right...it has sadly become politicised.....Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is this is where this clapping nonsense ends.tyson said:
What a fucking pinhead....Theuniondivvie said:Vile, evil, lefty non-clapping!
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1247600583894278145?s=20
Everyone will want a round of applause for anything, and it will become politicised and divisive.
We need to clap, every Thursday, to cheer ourselves up and show solidarity with everyone, including Boris, the NHS, Tescos..anyone whose sick...and ourselves...we need to show collectivity about this shitshow...
And then, afterwards...we can all go back to arguing about Brexit.....1 -
Sounds great to me....and when people can quite happily get the clap too...without fearing deatheristdoof said:
When Corona is just a beer again and we're not distancing socially any more, how about we forget applause and organise a "clap for victory" weekend?tyson said:
You are right...it has sadly become politicised.....Casino_Royale said:
The trouble is this is where this clapping nonsense ends.tyson said:
What a fucking pinhead....Theuniondivvie said:Vile, evil, lefty non-clapping!
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1247600583894278145?s=20
Everyone will want a round of applause for anything, and it will become politicised and divisive.
We need to clap, every Thursday, to cheer ourselves up and show solidarity with everyone, including Boris, the NHS, Tescos..anyone whose sick...and ourselves...we need to show collectivity about this shitshow...
And then, afterwards...we can all go back to arguing about Brexit.....0 -
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.0 -
Not at the cost of British jobs in this crisisedmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Indeed I would go further and campaign for the public to buy local and buy British wherever possible and support our ravaged econony1 -
I thought the HMG line was that their non participation was down to them missing an e-mail? Oh well, I daresay that level of incompetence would have slowed things down even further.FrancisUrquhart said:Well the UK is getting new ventilators and CPAP masks...
In late February, the European Union launched a plan to buy equipment to tackle the coronavirus outbreak on behalf of its members.
It was aimed at reducing costs when negotiating with manufacturers. The first scheme involved buying masks and then, in March, three more schemes were added to purchase ventilators, testing kits and personal protective equipment.
But, to date, nothing has been bought and delivered.0 -
I cannot say what I was doing today... ....but bloody hell it was strange...working from home is surreal...but, strangely, can be done...SandyRentool said:
Hartlepool Headland?tyson said:
I'm on good form tonight...I thought my sheepshagging reference to Cycle's post was good...Casino_Royale said:
Unusually funny from you Tyson! I laughed.tyson said:
I've got two crates of San Miguel....was due on the 1st April....but if everyone claps at 10.00 for Tyson to get his beer tomorrow ..perhaps that will push it over the line....Sunil_Prasannan said:
UHT milk (expensive!) arrived at the weekend. Still, after 6 days without milk, I'm over the moo-n...SandyRentool said:In other news, we received a dozen eggs in today's food delivery.
I am, naturally, eggstatic.
My job took me to a very bizarre place today...
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In this case, it was incompetence, the government were clearly lying. We have one of only 12 worldwide manufacturers of ventilators and a very large PPE producer, they can hardly say we ain't sharing.Theuniondivvie said:
I thought the HMG line was that their non participation was down to them missing an e-mail? Oh well, I daresay that level of incompetence would have slowed things down even further.FrancisUrquhart said:Well the UK is getting new ventilators and CPAP masks...
In late February, the European Union launched a plan to buy equipment to tackle the coronavirus outbreak on behalf of its members.
It was aimed at reducing costs when negotiating with manufacturers. The first scheme involved buying masks and then, in March, three more schemes were added to purchase ventilators, testing kits and personal protective equipment.
But, to date, nothing has been bought and delivered.
And while the EU is still messing around with this scheme, the UK now will source 50,000 ventilators over the next few months and can produce 1,000s of these CPAP masks every week.
Not all EU countries joined. It wouldn't be surprised to find that Sweden didn't, as they have a large producer of equipment as well. And clearly Germany isn't sharing all their reagents from the mega-facility that most EU countries buy from, otherwise there would be all these shortages.0 -
First patients admitted to NHS Nightingale0
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Can someone tell me why France's figures look so bad?0
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Great, so make the whole economy worse and all the people who can't work poorer by deliberately screwing up the parts of the trading system that would otherwise be functioning fine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at the cost of British jobs in this crisisedmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Indeed I would go further and campaign for the public to buy local and buy British wherever possible and support our ravaged econony
The war thing is just a metaphor, the adversary is a virus, not Poland.0 -
I don't live in one — yet. I don't own a smartphone, and the only type of ID I have is a passport which I only ever use when travelling abroad. I never take it with me when travelling around the UK.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Nobody likes the idea of living in a surveillance society, but it's somewhat endearing that people believe that they do not yet live in one.Andy_JS said:
Aren't you concerned about sleepwalking into a surveillance society? I am.ABZ said:
I think people across the country will be willing to do this. And it can be cleverly put together in a way that does not compromise privacy. Fortunately, our NHS is very trusted, so if it's released as an NHS app I think it will probably have substantial uptake. Harder in countries with less centralised health systems perhaps.Andy_JS said:
Jeremy Cliffe wrote an article saying the same thing a couple of weeks ago.eadric said:Re Korea.
My wife expressed the fear today that the end result of this virus would be hi-tech surveillance states, with the authorities monitoring everything we do and everyone we meet. Countries that don’t do this will be crippled by the bug.
I think she’s on to something.
https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/2020/03/rise-bio-surveillance-state
Remember the aftermath of the 'Skripal incident'. It took HMG two weeks to present 'conclusive evidence' of the pattern of movement of the alleged perpetrators. They may have had that evidence even earlier but hesitated to disclose the full scale of the surveillance state's capabilities. The state is already able to deploy that amount of surveillance on anyone, just not on everyone at the same time. In the current crisis we will have to trust our betters to do it for our own good.0 -
Good news.Cyclefree said:
Yes I am very pleased for her. Impressive by the local council too.Casino_Royale said:
Very good news on your daughter's grant.Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
In other good news, I have found a long-term tenancy very close by with a view of the sea. It is even more isolated than where I am - just the two of us in a barn conversion half-way up a hillside. Lovely during long summer days but if am still locked down there next January .... well .....
Now lets have no more of the wobbly lower lip. People look to you for our moral fibre...3 -
Superb! It sounds lovely.Cyclefree said:
Yes I am very pleased for her. Impressive by the local council too.Casino_Royale said:
Very good news on your daughter's grant.Cyclefree said:Daughter’s business got her grant today. Applied on Friday so impressively quick.
The wholesale price of green vegetables has gone up dramatically. She’s been selling a small box for £1.00 to those having deliveries and unable to get out. The cost has now gone up so much that she would now have to sell it for £5.30 on which she would make 20p. She’s only going to offer this to those who can’t get to Tesco’s etc and price it on the day.
Milk prices have shot up too. And eggs.
These sort of price increases are going to put pressure on people with no or little income.
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Oh - and 41 sheep have gone missing from a farmer near Broughton.
In other good news, I have found a long-term tenancy very close by with a view of the sea. It is even more isolated than where I am - just the two of us in a barn conversion half-way up a hillside. Lovely during long summer days but if am still locked down there next January .... well .....0 -
You do not even live here so I will take no lectures on how we support our local traders and businesses from an ex pat thousands of miles awayedmundintokyo said:
Great, so make the whole economy worse and all the people who can't work poorer by deliberately screwing up the parts of the trading system that would otherwise be functioning fine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at the cost of British jobs in this crisisedmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Indeed I would go further and campaign for the public to buy local and buy British wherever possible and support our ravaged econony
The war thing is just a metaphor, the adversary is a virus, not Poland.
Buy British and make it here too0 -
In all honesty, only Germany looks any different at this stage, and there is still a long way to go.tyson said:Can someone tell me why France's figures look so bad?
Every other European country is basically on the same trajectory. Its because one you get it in your population, there is only very limited tools at your disposal. For all the talk of ventilators, it is becoming increasingly clear that for many patients they don't really effect have much effect, unlike for normal pneumonia.1 -
Thanks....but why then is German different?FrancisUrquhart said:
In all honesty, only Germany looks any different at this stage, and there is still a long way to go.tyson said:Can someone tell me why France's figures look so bad?
Every other European country is basically on the same trajectory. Its because one you get it in your population, there is only very limited tools at your disposal. For all the talk of ventilators, it is becoming increasingly clear that for many patients they don't really effect have much effect, unlike for normal pneumonia.
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Coronavirus has been the saviour of the hitherto struggling supermarket sector. Maximisation of all potential profits will make for some serious boardroom bonuses later in the year, hence your Polish produce.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Passing Tesco Extra in Bridgend the carpark looked very busy, I don't venture inside Tesco, Asda or Sainsburys even pre-lockdown, due to their money- grabbing mindset.
Waitrose in Cowbridge where I stocked up for the week was subdued- strict entry, one in, one out, and staff enforcing the 2 metre rule.0 -
Just add my folks got their second weekly food delivery yesterday. They are very impressed with how efficiently that scheme is working.1
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Local bad economics for local peopleBig_G_NorthWales said:
You do not even live here so I will take no lectures on how we support our local traders and businesses from an ex pat thousands of miles away0 -
If @edmundintokyo gets a kilt in the edmundintokyo tartan, will that give him more of a right to comment?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not even live here so I will take no lectures on how we support our local traders and businesses from an ex pat thousands of miles awayedmundintokyo said:
Great, so make the whole economy worse and all the people who can't work poorer by deliberately screwing up the parts of the trading system that would otherwise be functioning fine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at the cost of British jobs in this crisisedmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Indeed I would go further and campaign for the public to buy local and buy British wherever possible and support our ravaged econony
The war thing is just a metaphor, the adversary is a virus, not Poland.
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Now that is silly but if it makes you happy thenTheuniondivvie said:
If @edmundintokyo gets a kilt in the edmundintokyo tartan, will that give him more of a right to comment?Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not even live here so I will take no lectures on how we support our local traders and businesses from an ex pat thousands of miles awayedmundintokyo said:
Great, so make the whole economy worse and all the people who can't work poorer by deliberately screwing up the parts of the trading system that would otherwise be functioning fine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at the cost of British jobs in this crisisedmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Indeed I would go further and campaign for the public to buy local and buy British wherever possible and support our ravaged econony
The war thing is just a metaphor, the adversary is a virus, not Poland.
Buy British and make it here too0 -
Germany has done a huge amount of testing but more importantly for actual deaths it looks like they must be having earlier interventions.tyson said:
Thanks....but why then is German different?FrancisUrquhart said:
In all honesty, only Germany looks any different at this stage, and there is still a long way to go.tyson said:Can someone tell me why France's figures look so bad?
Every other European country is basically on the same trajectory. Its because one you get it in your population, there is only very limited tools at your disposal. For all the talk of ventilators, it is becoming increasingly clear that for many patients they don't really effect have much effect, unlike for normal pneumonia.0 -
Then....why do we not do those earlier interventions?nico67 said:
Germany has done a huge amount of testing but more importantly for actual deaths it looks like they must be having earlier interventions.tyson said:
Thanks....but why then is German different?FrancisUrquhart said:
In all honesty, only Germany looks any different at this stage, and there is still a long way to go.tyson said:Can someone tell me why France's figures look so bad?
Every other European country is basically on the same trajectory. Its because one you get it in your population, there is only very limited tools at your disposal. For all the talk of ventilators, it is becoming increasingly clear that for many patients they don't really effect have much effect, unlike for normal pneumonia.
But...I believe you...Germany must be using a completely different pathway...
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Thanks . I didn’t realize they had just started doing that . It does make comparisons quite difficult across the world because of so many differences in who is included in the death figures .Floater said:0 -
We don't even know in the end it will be. I think it probably will be.tyson said:
Thanks....but why then is German different?FrancisUrquhart said:
In all honesty, only Germany looks any different at this stage, and there is still a long way to go.tyson said:Can someone tell me why France's figures look so bad?
Every other European country is basically on the same trajectory. Its because one you get it in your population, there is only very limited tools at your disposal. For all the talk of ventilators, it is becoming increasingly clear that for many patients they don't really effect have much effect, unlike for normal pneumonia.
The testing I am sure has helped as well , although not the magic bullet the media seem to think it is. What it probably has done more than anything is stopped some massive hotspot building up before anybody knew about it e.g. like Madrid, Paris, London, Northern Italy.
They also obviously have a very good health care system, they have more spare capacity ICU, so a lot more headroom before they have to worry about any sort of rationing and can keep people on ventilators for longer without worrying about potential backlog, so max chance for somebody to make it.
But I genuinely don't think we really know for years. As it could be simply that Germany have done better containing it at the moment, but as they release the lockdown it spreads again and in 12 months it still has got through a large percentage of the population with ~1% dying.0 -
The worst bit of "comparisons" the media keep doing is comparing the number of death in absolute terms. It makes absolutely no sense to, at the very least compare per capita.nico67 said:
Thanks . I didn’t realize they had just started doing that . It does make comparisons quite difficult across the world because of so many differences in who is included in the death figures .Floater said:
I mean I don't believe the Chinese numbers, but if you were to do so, 3,000 from a population of 1.4bn, is not in any way comparable to the UK who only have 70 million people.0 -
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Or deaths at home, god knows what will be found after with single people with no support. I hears that Madrid fire brigade are spending a lot of time on forced entry when people realize they haven’t seen their neighbour for a week. Is there any similar experiences in the UK?tyson said:0 -
For years I tried to ensure I backed Britain. For decades I bought Vauxhall Cavaliers and Vectras (even though they were very uninspiring) as the right hand drive ones were predominantly made in Luton. My wife used Ryton made uninspiring Peugeots. I gave up when a new 2006 Vectra SRi150 model arrived resplendent with a Made in Belgium sticker on the windscreen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not even live here so I will take no lectures on how we support our local traders and businesses from an ex pat thousands of miles awayedmundintokyo said:
Great, so make the whole economy worse and all the people who can't work poorer by deliberately screwing up the parts of the trading system that would otherwise be functioning fine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at the cost of British jobs in this crisisedmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.
Indeed I would go further and campaign for the public to buy local and buy British wherever possible and support our ravaged econony
The war thing is just a metaphor, the adversary is a virus, not Poland.
Buy British and make it here too
It has only been uninspiring Korean for me and prestige German for her since then.0 -
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Spare a thought for some of those who will have their careers destroyed over this crisis. I speak of the people who are breaking rules and going against the system to get things done.
I am quite, quite sure that a number of those involved in the procurement of the new ventilators, the Nightingale hospitals etc will be attacked and destroyed. After all the apparatchiks who really run our country can't be asked to tolerate that they should have their rules broken and be embarrassed - just for the sake of saving some tens of thousands of lives.
A particular favourite of this kind of reaction is try and brand those who did most to fix the problem with *being* the problem. The classic in this genre is the charging of police officers who fight corruption with being corrupt.
The fixers and doers will be forced to resign, fired or demoted. The useless will give each other awards.0 -
I know that. And there is plenty of delicious well-reared meat on their doorstep there for the buying - and without all those carbon miles.edmundintokyo said:
Their job is to get people food.Cyclefree said:
Why aren’t they supplying meat from local farmers who are finding their normal export markets difficult to access?edmundintokyo said:
Sorry, why is this disgraceful???Cyclefree said:
Disgracefully, Asda and Sainsbury’s are selling meat from Poland instead of using the meat from local farmers.1 -
NYC’s Gothamist site is reporting that deaths at home in the city are at ten times their usual rate. None are counted as COVID cases https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-home-officials-suspect-undercount-covid-19-related-deaths0
