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Firstish?0
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Because he hasn't *yet* had the chance to have a good war. Ask again in a week.0
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What does Sir Richard Burgon score?0
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Would be interesting to see the DKs.0
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Fifth0
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Sorry old boy.squareroot2 said:Fourth
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I wonder how many "Don't Knows" or "Who?" there are with the public.
Interesting to see Sunak rank so high.0 -
Pathetic, isn't it.Peter_the_Punter said:Firstish?
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Sunak +36.
"Nice young man who gives away lots of money is rather popular" shocker.1 -
Boris is so going to let Raab take all the tough decisions and then get better and show up just in time to do popular things0
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So Raab has a neutral net favourable rating, better than many elected PMs have had0
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I actually think that the mockery of Raab is a Twitter/Westminster thing. I don't think the general public are even that aware of him. He looks the part, so provided he remains gaffe free from here on in I can see him rising in the public's estimation.0
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Raab was a pretty moderate performer during and pre-GE, but he has a good opportunity to put that right now. No need to be partisan about this. Hope he does so.1
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Thankfully the edit button was at handRobD said:0 -
Has to be Raab, though.
I'd say the two figures having the 'best' crisis are Hancock and Sunak. But they have contradictory aims: one is aiming , quite rightly, to minimise deaths, the other is aiming, equally rightly, to have an economy left to return to when this is over. There is tension between the two portfolios, and someone is needed to arbitrate between the two. It can't be one or the other. Raab is the most senior of those who are neither Hancock nor Sunak.1 -
FPT
They made about £28,000 in profits, 70% from principal investing and 30% from margin lending.kle4 said:
Any ancestors caught up in it?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
Equivalent to about 300,000 days of skilled craftsman wages.
p.s. for those people questioning my description of Malibu, we looked at it, before buying our summer home further south in Orange County. So, it's a personal opinion, but one that has some basis.0 -
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don't mention his IQScrapheap_as_was said:What does Sir Richard Burgon score?
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That probably sounds in your own head as if it makes some sort of point. For starters, the safety phase of a trial is not controlled anyway (unless you regard "everybody else" as the control). Yes, James Phipps and Albert Alexander probably had their "pesky rights" infringed, but it is a net benefit to the human race that the infractions happened without intervention by an ill-informed member of the anecdote police.Malmesbury said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent for avoiding things like manslaughter charges. People and their pesky rights, eh?IshmaelZ said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent things, but they don't invalidate case histories and observation (without which you'd be pushed to find things to have trials of). Penicillin went into full production and use without a single controlled or blinded trial being carried out on it. For that matter, the inventor of ibuprofen said last year that he knew it worked because he took some for a hangover, and the hangover went away.Nigelb said:
Have these people not heard of controlled clinical trials ?Foxy said:
To be published in The Journal of Anecdotal Medicine?FrancisUrquhart said:Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
Or are such things just unnecessary bureaucracy ...0 -
If they were any good the pair of fannies could sit down and work out the best plan for the public , not be jessie boys and try to get their own way.Cookie said:Has to be Raab, though.
I'd say the two figures having the 'best' crisis are Hancock and Sunak. But they have contradictory aims: one is aiming , quite rightly, to minimise deaths, the other is aiming, equally rightly, to have an economy left to return to when this is over. There is tension between the two portfolios, and someone is needed to arbitrate between the two. It can't be one or the other. Raab is the most senior of those who are neither Hancock nor Sunak.0 -
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.1 -
Where did this silly clap for boris thingy come from, ridiculous idea, include him in your thoughts and prayers along with other sufferers, victims and families but clap for him?0
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It may also be relevant that she's corrupt, a proven liar and not very bright.TGOHF666 said:
Patel's numbers - sexist, racist or just anti-semitic ?0 -
Have been to both, personally preferred Malibu, mainly went to Orange County for the Nixon library but yes agree personal choiceCharles said:FPT
They made about £28,000 in profits, 70% from principal investing and 30% from margin lending.kle4 said:
Any ancestors caught up in it?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
Equivalent to about 300,000 days of skilled craftsman wages.
p.s. for those people questioning my description of Malibu, we looked at it, before buying our summer home further south in Orange County. So, it's a personal opinion, but one that has some basis.0 -
Name a policy with polling evidence it is unpopular...logical_song said:0 -
Afternoon Malcmalcolmg said:
If they were any good the pair of fannies could sit down and work out the best plan for the public , not be jessie boys and try to get their own way.Cookie said:Has to be Raab, though.
I'd say the two figures having the 'best' crisis are Hancock and Sunak. But they have contradictory aims: one is aiming , quite rightly, to minimise deaths, the other is aiming, equally rightly, to have an economy left to return to when this is over. There is tension between the two portfolios, and someone is needed to arbitrate between the two. It can't be one or the other. Raab is the most senior of those who are neither Hancock nor Sunak.
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I must confess that I am a little surprised that Sweden remains a fairly middle of the pack runner in all of this. As the time since other countries went into serious lockdown extends beyond the 2 week lag their performance really should be becoming more distinctive.HYUFD said:
It would be very interesting to learn more of why. Is it the case that the population are indulging in fairly thorough social isolation without a regulatory framework? Or are we simply over estimating the effectiveness of lock downs?1 -
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Whenever the planes are grounded (9/11, Icelandic volcano, now) the weather always seems utterly glorious. Now, while I agree keeping carbon emissions down must be good, and global warming is bad, it's not a battle I can get emotionally invested in. But spells of weather like this? If this is what we get for grounding flights I'm off to join XR*.
*Obviously I'm not really.0 -
Sorry, that made me LOLydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.1 -
Glad to see I speak for the nation with my views on the disgraced national security risk that currently is Home Secretary.0
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If today's trend continues, Sweden will not be middle of the pack much longerDavidL said:
I must confess that I am a little surprised that Sweden remains a fairly middle of the pack runner in all of this. As the time since other countries went into serious lockdown extends beyond the 2 week lag their performance really should be becoming more distinctive.HYUFD said:
It would be very interesting to learn more of why. Is it the case that the population are indulging in fairly thorough social isolation without a regulatory framework? Or are we simply over estimating the effectiveness of lock downs?0 -
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Those Russian-pushed stories about Boris Johnson’s health may have a piquant backdrop:
https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1247501500630384642?s=21
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I meant that times have changed. The past is full of things which were OK at the time and perhaps even moved civilisation forward.IshmaelZ said:
That probably sounds in your own head as if it makes some sort of point. For starters, the safety phase of a trial is not controlled anyway (unless you regard "everybody else" as the control). Yes, James Phipps and Albert Alexander probably had their "pesky rights" infringed, but it is a net benefit to the human race that the infractions happened without intervention by an ill-informed member of the anecdote police.Malmesbury said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent for avoiding things like manslaughter charges. People and their pesky rights, eh?IshmaelZ said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent things, but they don't invalidate case histories and observation (without which you'd be pushed to find things to have trials of). Penicillin went into full production and use without a single controlled or blinded trial being carried out on it. For that matter, the inventor of ibuprofen said last year that he knew it worked because he took some for a hangover, and the hangover went away.Nigelb said:
Have these people not heard of controlled clinical trials ?Foxy said:
To be published in The Journal of Anecdotal Medicine?FrancisUrquhart said:Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
Or are such things just unnecessary bureaucracy ...
I am not entirely happy at the various suggestions that we should short cut clinical trials for a vaccine for COVID19. We could easily create another disaster.0 -
No 10 should probably knock it on the head. Mass clapping looks like North Korea, isolated outbreaks of clapping is just embarrassing.nichomar said:Where did this silly clap for boris thingy come from, ridiculous idea, include him in your thoughts and prayers along with other sufferers, victims and families but clap for him?
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Another childhood legend died. The guy who played the Virginian has left us.0
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Going somewhere nice?ydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.
Ah.
My daughter's birthday is on the 28th and the lack of a party is already being lamented almost daily.0 -
I did as well when I realised what I’d done!Floater said:
Sorry, that made me LOLydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.0 -
Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
(Edit: I see now the projection assumes the UK has a total of 799 ICU beds - might be why the death projection is so high.)0 -
They are at 59/million deaths. We are at 79 before today's figures are added. They have a bit of catching up to do although they are somewhat ahead of both Norway and Denmark.HYUFD said:
If today's trend continues, Sweden will not be middle of the pack much longerDavidL said:
I must confess that I am a little surprised that Sweden remains a fairly middle of the pack runner in all of this. As the time since other countries went into serious lockdown extends beyond the 2 week lag their performance really should be becoming more distinctive.HYUFD said:
It would be very interesting to learn more of why. Is it the case that the population are indulging in fairly thorough social isolation without a regulatory framework? Or are we simply over estimating the effectiveness of lock downs?0 -
1) It takes much longer than you (or at least I) instinctively think for policies to feed through to exponential rises in infections and for this to feed through to exponential rises in deaths. A month ago, in the UK, the world was still acting pretty much as normal. If a given country is doing something 'wrong', it takes a long time for this to become apparent.DavidL said:
I must confess that I am a little surprised that Sweden remains a fairly middle of the pack runner in all of this. As the time since other countries went into serious lockdown extends beyond the 2 week lag their performance really should be becoming more distinctive.HYUFD said:
It would be very interesting to learn more of why. Is it the case that the population are indulging in fairly thorough social isolation without a regulatory framework? Or are we simply over estimating the effectiveness of lock downs?
2) Swedes give each other a lot of room anyway. Culturally, it's not a great place for a virus to spread.0 -
I treated myself to an hour’s bike ride across the Chase this morning.DavidL said:
Going somewhere nice?ydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.
Ah.
My daughter's birthday is on the 28th and the lack of a party is already being lamented almost daily.
I’ve had phone calls and messages from family.
This afternoon I have sun, a book, my garden and all my mates on PB to chat to.
What more could anyone want?
As @Cyclefree says, let us count our blessings.2 -
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?1 -
Well it's a website but the figures make little sense based on what we are actually seeing.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?2 -
Their number today is the equivalent of well over 800 in UK terms and yesterday was quite high too so it doesn't seem to be a weekend effectDavidL said:
They are at 59/million deaths. We are at 79 before today's figures are added. They have a bit of catching up to do although they are somewhat ahead of both Norway and Denmark.HYUFD said:
If today's trend continues, Sweden will not be middle of the pack much longerDavidL said:
I must confess that I am a little surprised that Sweden remains a fairly middle of the pack runner in all of this. As the time since other countries went into serious lockdown extends beyond the 2 week lag their performance really should be becoming more distinctive.HYUFD said:
It would be very interesting to learn more of why. Is it the case that the population are indulging in fairly thorough social isolation without a regulatory framework? Or are we simply over estimating the effectiveness of lock downs?1 -
Since Italy’s well over 16,000 and rising at several hundred a day, if they keep to 20,000something strange and wonderful will have happened.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
So I would suggest that site is a consignment of geriatric shoe menders.0 -
A couple of years ago I had a Swedish Eurodevil called Erika. Lovely person but not quite the stereotype I had in mind. More like yours actually.Cookie said:
1) It takes much longer than you (or at least I) instinctively think for policies to feed through to exponential rises in infections and for this to feed through to exponential rises in deaths. A month ago, in the UK, the world was still acting pretty much as normal. If a given country is doing something 'wrong', it takes a long time for this to become apparent.DavidL said:
I must confess that I am a little surprised that Sweden remains a fairly middle of the pack runner in all of this. As the time since other countries went into serious lockdown extends beyond the 2 week lag their performance really should be becoming more distinctive.HYUFD said:
It would be very interesting to learn more of why. Is it the case that the population are indulging in fairly thorough social isolation without a regulatory framework? Or are we simply over estimating the effectiveness of lock downs?
2) Swedes give each other a lot of room anyway. Culturally, it's not a great place for a virus to spread.0 -
It is legit website / organisation. But I think they need to turn the computer off and on again.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
(Edit: I see now the projection assumes the UK has a total of 799 ICU beds - might be why the death projection is so high.)0 -
He has one?BannedinnParis said:
don't mention his IQScrapheap_as_was said:What does Sir Richard Burgon score?
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The Graun has expanded on these findings here:eek said:
Well it's a website but the figures make little sense based on what we are actually seeing.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-intensive-care-uk-donald-trump-america-us-praying-recovery-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8c626d8f08ec70cecec0de#block-5e8c626d8f08ec70cecec0de0 -
Yorba Linda is not representative of OC!! It's virtually IE!HYUFD said:
Have been to both, personally preferred Malibu, mainly went to Orange County for the Nixon library but yes agree personal choiceCharles said:FPT
They made about £28,000 in profits, 70% from principal investing and 30% from margin lending.kle4 said:
Any ancestors caught up in it?Charles said:
The South Sea Company was an extremely profitable investment, thank you very muchMalmesbury said:
Where can I invest? I only have some tulip bulbs - perhaps we can do a swap for some shares?Cyclefree said:
The aim “to do something that matters” makes it sound like a spoof. Or the 21st century version of those 18th century bubble companies: “For carrying-on an undertaking of great advantage but no-one to know what it is”.TOPPING said:
That middle "e" is going to irritate me every time I see it. Which won't be that often, I hope.IshmaelZ said:
And that name is Consignia level bad. Unpronounceable and overtones of arch, hell and chew (18th century synonym for a blowjob according to William Golding).FrancisUrquhart said:
I do wonder about who is advising them, although perhaps they aren't taking any notice. I can't believe any PR expert would be suggesting this is a good idea at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
Equivalent to about 300,000 days of skilled craftsman wages.
p.s. for those people questioning my description of Malibu, we looked at it, before buying our summer home further south in Orange County. So, it's a personal opinion, but one that has some basis.0 -
The weather is genuinely nice here today. Last few days there has been a lot of showers and a strong coldish wind. Really looking forward to my walk this afternoon.ydoethur said:
I treated myself to an hour’s bike ride across the Chase this morning.DavidL said:
Going somewhere nice?ydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.
Ah.
My daughter's birthday is on the 28th and the lack of a party is already being lamented almost daily.
I’ve had phone calls and messages from family.
This afternoon I have sun, a book, my garden and all my mates on PB to chat to.
What more could anyone want?
As @Cyclefree says, let us count our blessings.0 -
“All we need to do is adjust the system to the new sequence,” he said. “We are in the middle of this process, and hopefully in a few weeks we will have the vaccine in our hands...eadric said:We wanted some good news...
twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1247500269258190849?s=21
MIGAL would be responsible for developing the new vaccine, but it would then have to go through a regulatory process, including clinical trials and large-scale production, Katz said.
So it might be really cool and a solution, but they aren't even as far along as lots of the other candidates. They are simply saying they might have a different and better way of making vaccines.
There is no way they can do full set of clinical trials in 90 days.0 -
Is Gove's favourability rating even less than Raab's (i.e. negative)?0
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Of course they are controlled.IshmaelZ said:
That probably sounds in your own head as if it makes some sort of point. For starters, the safety phase of a trial is not controlled anyway (unless you regard "everybody else" as the control). Yes, James Phipps and Albert Alexander probably had their "pesky rights" infringed, but it is a net benefit to the human race that the infractions happened without intervention by an ill-informed member of the anecdote police.Malmesbury said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent for avoiding things like manslaughter charges. People and their pesky rights, eh?IshmaelZ said:
Controlled clinical trials are excellent things, but they don't invalidate case histories and observation (without which you'd be pushed to find things to have trials of). Penicillin went into full production and use without a single controlled or blinded trial being carried out on it. For that matter, the inventor of ibuprofen said last year that he knew it worked because he took some for a hangover, and the hangover went away.Nigelb said:
Have these people not heard of controlled clinical trials ?Foxy said:
To be published in The Journal of Anecdotal Medicine?FrancisUrquhart said:Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
Or are such things just unnecessary bureaucracy ...
And in this case it's less to do with patients' rights (the emergency use of the drug is after all sanctioned by the FDA) and rather more to do with selection criteria, and independent verifiable observation of cases and outcomes.
It's not impossible that he's on to something, but the evidence produced seems less than sketchy. The patients are described as "very, very ill", which then gets re-reported as "the most seriously ill".
Were any of them admitted to an ICU ?
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I hope he hasn't been opening any bottles of found aftershave.....AlastairMeeks said:Those Russian-pushed stories about Boris Johnson’s health may have a piquant backdrop:
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They may not be cranks, but give the range of locations and the granularity of the forecast, it's clearly a spreadsheet operation entirely subject to SISO. Their UK forecast curve has a big discontinuity between actual data and where the forecast starts, so it rather looks like they predicted even worse a few days ago and are steadily being proved wrong.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim0 -
Very relieved to hear the news about Boris. Hopefully his condition is stabilising though perhaps premature to read anything into it yet.
When does the “danger zone” seem to end for sufferers? It seems day 10 is the average day for ICU admission but beyond that when do we start to see recovery on average?0 -
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim0 -
Sad indeed. But outlived Trampas by 25 years. It's a lottery.Martin_Kinsella said:Another childhood legend died. The guy who played the Virginian has left us.
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Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/0 -
Indeed. I will raise a glass in your honour this evening.ydoethur said:
I treated myself to an hour’s bike ride across the Chase this morning.DavidL said:
Going somewhere nice?ydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.
Ah.
My daughter's birthday is on the 28th and the lack of a party is already being lamented almost daily.
I’ve had phone calls and messages from family.
This afternoon I have sun, a book, my garden and all my mates on PB to chat to.
What more could anyone want?
As @Cyclefree says, let us count our blessings.
(Grasping the excuse.)1 -
If today's UK figure is close to 1200 deaths we'll all be well-spooked!maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?0 -
I don't think the need will arise - since Boris will recover - but if it did I'd say Gove.Cookie said:Has to be Raab, though.
I'd say the two figures having the 'best' crisis are Hancock and Sunak. But they have contradictory aims: one is aiming , quite rightly, to minimise deaths, the other is aiming, equally rightly, to have an economy left to return to when this is over. There is tension between the two portfolios, and someone is needed to arbitrate between the two. It can't be one or the other. Raab is the most senior of those who are neither Hancock nor Sunak.0 -
I knew it :-). FPT
@Cyclefree's Gardening Corner Q9 #gardening
Looking after bulbs - I am just getting my first lot of container daffodils in flower.
Two questions if I may.
1 - What do I need to do to keep these healthy for this year and next year? (I am familiar with the basics - do not remove the leaves too soon after flowering, water when a finger depth is dry etc.)
2 - What is the best time to put in new bulbs (I want some snowdrops and crocuses and extra daffodils) for next year or 2022?
The photo is my daffs and my cousin's first tulips (he has a camera not an iPad :-) ).
Thanks for any comments. I will repost if I get new-thread-clobbered.
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1247504724879986689
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1247505506463289345
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You put that very kindly. Most folk would have given a far harsher judgement and delivered it in a less diplomatic fashion.kinabalu said:
Fully behind your general point, which is more than reasonably solid, it's undeniably true. Almost every top politician is cleverer than most of the people who comment adversely on the intelligence of politicians. There are exceptions, however, e.g. Priti Patel. My genuine sense of her intellect is that it's not materially above average.TOPPING said:There is this fantasy on all sides of the political debate that people who reach high office either in government or opposition are thick as two short planks.
Clue: they are not. They are very very smart and moreso diligent. Look at Raab or Lammy's CV. Outstanding.
Problem is they have to deal with, appeal to, and somehow try to satisfy us lot, the public, and we are thick as fuck.
The average person on an omnibus has a brain the size of a planet compared with Patel. One of the great mysteries of Boris Johnson’s career is: what the hell was he thinking?1 -
I would wait until we see some numbers on the reliability of the test. Lots of groups have come up with such tests - the issue is false positives/negatives.Cookie said:Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/0 -
But according to some, we were doing f##k all until about a week ago...Cookie said:Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/
The work at Porton Down is understood to have been underway since January. Moreover, it plays to our skill set as a nation, based as it is on high-end science rather than the more mundane - but crucially important business - of high volume throughput or production.
Experts say the first two months were spent validating high tech “assays” for reliably identifying coronavirus antibodies and designing a robust longitudinal blood sampling study. The first 800 blood samples were delivered to the laboritary in late February.
Dr Stamataki added that it was these Porton Down assays that the commercial antibody tests which the government has taken options on are being validated against.2 -
It is encouraging. Any relaible test will have to be produced on an industrial scale though, presumably those involved are only too aware of that.FrancisUrquhart said:
But according to some, we were doing f##k all until about a week ago...Cookie said:Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/
The work at Porton Down is understood to have been underway since January. Moreover, it plays to our skill set as a nation, based as it is on high-end science rather than the more mundane - but crucially important business - of high volume throughput or production.
Experts say the first two months were spent validating high tech “assays” for reliably identifying coronavirus antibodies and designing a robust longitudinal blood sampling study. The first 800 blood samples were delivered to the laboritary in late February.
Dr Stamataki added that it was these Porton Down assays that the commercial antibody tests which the government has taken options on are being validated against.0 -
Well seeing the BBC report from a London ICU, one thing that really struck me, nowhere near the chaos we have seen in the likes of Italy or NY.eadric said:
Yes. That’s (hopefully) the flaw in their data
It was clearly very busy, clearly very stressful, but no signs of 100s of patients rammed absolutely into every corner of the corridors etc.
And now there is a lot of rumblings that the Excel centre may never really be needed and certainly unlikely to need the full 4,000 bed capacity.1 -
The 90 days is to get regulatory approval for first human dosing, probably ?FrancisUrquhart said:
“All we need to do is adjust the system to the new sequence,” he said. “We are in the middle of this process, and hopefully in a few weeks we will have the vaccine in our hands...eadric said:We wanted some good news...
twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1247500269258190849?s=21
MIGAL would be responsible for developing the new vaccine, but it would then have to go through a regulatory process, including clinical trials and large-scale production, Katz said.
So it might be really cool and a solution, but they aren't even as far along as lots of the other candidates. They are simply saying they might have a different and better way of making vaccines.
There is no way they can do full set of clinical trials in 90 days.
The pace of vaccine development has been almost unprecedented. But once they gets into clinical trials, there isn't much you can do to speed things up (except on the production side, Bill Gates style).
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The projections on resource use show us (today) several times capacity both in overall beds and ICU beds. I think (unless I've really missed something in the news!) that this is not the case. As they seem to be projecting the high deaths mainly on the severe overwhelming of facilities, it appears that their estimates are overly pessimistic.Stark_Dawning said:
The Graun has expanded on these findings here:eek said:
Well it's a website but the figures make little sense based on what we are actually seeing.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-intensive-care-uk-donald-trump-america-us-praying-recovery-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8c626d8f08ec70cecec0de#block-5e8c626d8f08ec70cecec0de
Depends when they developed the model and how much it's updated with actual bed use (apparently not at all). The Imperial models probably show similar without the more severe lockdown0 -
I must admit, any given day at the moment is pleasant. I am rising later, retiring earlier, spending more time with my wife and children; we are exploring the bits of green space on our doorstep; making dens in the woods, teaching my youngest to ride a bike, gardening, baking. If it wasn't for the unfortunate challenge of also having to work for a living at the same time I would even say life is idyllic.Nigelb said:
Indeed. I will raise a glass in your honour this evening.ydoethur said:
I treated myself to an hour’s bike ride across the Chase this morning.DavidL said:
Going somewhere nice?ydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.
Ah.
My daughter's birthday is on the 28th and the lack of a party is already being lamented almost daily.
I’ve had phone calls and messages from family.
This afternoon I have sun, a book, my garden and all my mates on PB to chat to.
What more could anyone want?
As @Cyclefree says, let us count our blessings.
(Grasping the excuse.)
The threat of illness and the almost certainty that some of those I love will die is unpleasant, as is the worry about whether the economy will recover. But if I can live in the moment, the now is actually a fine place to be.
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Rumblings?! They should be cheers. If the Excel centre is a completely unused resource that would be a magnificent thing.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well seeing the BBC report from a London ICU, one thing that really struck me, nowhere near the chaos we have seen in the likes of Italy or NY.eadric said:Benpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
Yes. That’s (hopefully) the flaw in their dataBenpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
And now there is a lot of rumblings that the Excel centre may never really be needed and certainly unlikely to need the full 4,000 bed capacity.11 -
Hoping Boris Johnson recovers very soon.
I have been in similar position, frightening experience.
Also seen my granddaughter on numerous occasions, fighting for life on oxygen.
Very distressing to see.0 -
"YouTube tightens rules after David Icke 5G interview
YouTube has banned all conspiracy theory videos falsely linking coronavirus symptoms to 5G networks.
The Google-owned service will now delete videos violating the policy. It had previously limited itself to reducing the frequency it recommended them in its Up Next section.
The move follows a live-streamed interview with conspiracy theorist David Icke on Monday, in which he had linked the technology to the pandemic.
YouTube said the video would be wiped."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-521989460 -
That's what I thought. But Sky, being awesome that they are, reported it as if the government will have wasted money on it. Same way as they were criticising Hancock for paying for the initial sample anti-body tests.Benpointer said:
Rumblings?! They should be cheers. If the Excel centre is a completely unused resource that would be a magnificent thing.0 -
And fewer than 18k beds overall. How on Earth do they think we cope normally?Benpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim0 -
I'm a bit curious about where the scientists are pouring the blood samplesCookie said:Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/0 -
There's no sign at the moment that UK deaths will be that high.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
(Edit: I see now the projection assumes the UK has a total of 799 ICU beds - might be why the death projection is so high.)0 -
758 more Covid-19 related deaths in England.0
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Well perhaps, but well before you get to that stage you get a lot of the information you need just from a sample of the population. It would be good to know whether each individual has had it or not, but simply knowing what proportion of the population has had it is, I would argue, well over half the battle. Which is what they are currently trying to do.Benpointer said:
It is encouraging. Any relaible test will have to be produced on an industrial scale though, presumably those involved are only too aware of that.FrancisUrquhart said:
But according to some, we were doing f##k all until about a week ago...Cookie said:Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/
The work at Porton Down is understood to have been underway since January. Moreover, it plays to our skill set as a nation, based as it is on high-end science rather than the more mundane - but crucially important business - of high volume throughput or production.
Experts say the first two months were spent validating high tech “assays” for reliably identifying coronavirus antibodies and designing a robust longitudinal blood sampling study. The first 800 blood samples were delivered to the laboritary in late February.
Dr Stamataki added that it was these Porton Down assays that the commercial antibody tests which the government has taken options on are being validated against.0 -
Israel reckons it will have an orally administered vaccine within 21 days or so.eadric said:We wanted some good news...
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1247500269258190849?s=21
If that is true, who would have backed it to win the global race?
Extraordinary story.0 -
also, the knowledge in what to do and how to do it is an important resource.Benpointer said:
Rumblings?! They should be cheers. If the Excel centre is a completely unused resource that would be a magnificent thing.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well seeing the BBC report from a London ICU, one thing that really struck me, nowhere near the chaos we have seen in the likes of Italy or NY.eadric said:Benpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
Yes. That’s (hopefully) the flaw in their dataBenpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
And now there is a lot of rumblings that the Excel centre may never really be needed and certainly unlikely to need the full 4,000 bed capacity.0 -
Indeed.Benpointer said:
Rumblings?! They should be cheers. If the Excel centre is a completely unused resource that would be a magnificent thing.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well seeing the BBC report from a London ICU, one thing that really struck me, nowhere near the chaos we have seen in the likes of Italy or NY.eadric said:Benpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
Yes. That’s (hopefully) the flaw in their dataBenpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
And now there is a lot of rumblings that the Excel centre may never really be needed and certainly unlikely to need the full 4,000 bed capacity.
We're far from out of the woods yet. We could easily find that we are nowhere near the peak yet. But I agree - if the whole thing goes utterly unused, Hoo-bloody-ray.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
That's what I thought. But Sky, being awesome that they are, reported it as if the government will have wasted money on it. Same way as they were criticising Hancock for paying for the initial sample anti-body tests.Benpointer said:
Rumblings?! They should be cheers. If the Excel centre is a completely unused resource that would be a magnificent thing.
Interesting that the Guardian doesn't comment on the obviously wrong numbers for hospital beds and ICU beds.Selebian said:
The projections on resource use show us (today) several times capacity both in overall beds and ICU beds. I think (unless I've really missed something in the news!) that this is not the case. As they seem to be projecting the high deaths mainly on the severe overwhelming of facilities, it appears that their estimates are overly pessimistic.Stark_Dawning said:
The Graun has expanded on these findings here:eek said:
Well it's a website but the figures make little sense based on what we are actually seeing.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-intensive-care-uk-donald-trump-america-us-praying-recovery-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e8c626d8f08ec70cecec0de#block-5e8c626d8f08ec70cecec0de
Depends when they developed the model and how much it's updated with actual bed use (apparently not at all). The Imperial models probably show similar without the more severe lockdown0 -
Well hopefully you are right - but there is certainly the need now for a stand in until he does.kinabalu said:
I don't think the need will arise - since Boris will recover - but if it did I'd say Gove.Cookie said:Has to be Raab, though.
I'd say the two figures having the 'best' crisis are Hancock and Sunak. But they have contradictory aims: one is aiming , quite rightly, to minimise deaths, the other is aiming, equally rightly, to have an economy left to return to when this is over. There is tension between the two portfolios, and someone is needed to arbitrate between the two. It can't be one or the other. Raab is the most senior of those who are neither Hancock nor Sunak.
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That's a big leap from yesterday.
I can understand figures jumping on a Monday due to weekend processing causing a spot of lag, but our numbers seem a bit jumpy, going down a bit, then up.0 -
Not really.Anabobazina said:
Israel reckons it will have an orally administered vaccine within 21 days or so.eadric said:We wanted some good news...
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1247500269258190849?s=21
If that is true, who would have backed it to win the global race?
Extraordinary story.
“All we need to do is adjust the system to the new sequence,” he said. “We are in the middle of this process, and hopefully in a few weeks we will have the vaccine in our hands. Yes, in a few weeks, if it all works, we would have a vaccine to prevent coronavirus.”
MIGAL would be responsible for developing the new vaccine, but it would then have to go through a regulatory process, including clinical trials and large-scale production, Katz said....
They have yet even to start dosing human volunteers, so there are probably a good half a dozen groups ahead of them, possibly more.0 -
the population testing is a vital first stepCookie said:
Well perhaps, but well before you get to that stage you get a lot of the information you need just from a sample of the population. It would be good to know whether each individual has had it or not, but simply knowing what proportion of the population has had it is, I would argue, well over half the battle. Which is what they are currently trying to do.Benpointer said:
It is encouraging. Any relaible test will have to be produced on an industrial scale though, presumably those involved are only too aware of that.FrancisUrquhart said:
But according to some, we were doing f##k all until about a week ago...Cookie said:Has this been commented on? Seems that Porton Down is encouragingly close to a 'who has had it' test:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-tests-never-heard-hold-key-exit-lockdown/
The work at Porton Down is understood to have been underway since January. Moreover, it plays to our skill set as a nation, based as it is on high-end science rather than the more mundane - but crucially important business - of high volume throughput or production.
Experts say the first two months were spent validating high tech “assays” for reliably identifying coronavirus antibodies and designing a robust longitudinal blood sampling study. The first 800 blood samples were delivered to the laboritary in late February.
Dr Stamataki added that it was these Porton Down assays that the commercial antibody tests which the government has taken options on are being validated against.0 -
Wonder if there will be pressure to keep it in mothballs over the winter - just in case? Or maybe they now know they can stick it up again in a week if they have to...Benpointer said:
Rumblings?! They should be cheers. If the Excel centre is a completely unused resource that would be a magnificent thing.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well seeing the BBC report from a London ICU, one thing that really struck me, nowhere near the chaos we have seen in the likes of Italy or NY.eadric said:Benpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
Yes. That’s (hopefully) the flaw in their dataBenpointer said:
They are basing it on the UK having fewer than 800 ICU beds. Odd.eadric said:
It’s not a crank website tho. University of Washington.maaarsh said:
They're predicting today's number will be 1200 and it'll keep getting worse from here, so does indeed feel a little off.Benpointer said:Is this site for real?...
https://covid19.healthdata.org
Forecasting a first-wave total of 81k deaths for USA, 19k for Spain, 20k for Italy, 15k for France, 9k for Germany and, wait for it....
66k for the UK (!)
UK deaths to be triple those in Spain or Italy anyone?
It predicts the UK will have by far the worst plague outcome in the western world (per capita)
We have to hope they are not just wrong, but wildly wrong. That’s grim
And now there is a lot of rumblings that the Excel centre may never really be needed and certainly unlikely to need the full 4,000 bed capacity.0 -
Fair enough.Nigelb said:
Not really.Anabobazina said:
Israel reckons it will have an orally administered vaccine within 21 days or so.eadric said:We wanted some good news...
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1247500269258190849?s=21
If that is true, who would have backed it to win the global race?
Extraordinary story.
“All we need to do is adjust the system to the new sequence,” he said. “We are in the middle of this process, and hopefully in a few weeks we will have the vaccine in our hands. Yes, in a few weeks, if it all works, we would have a vaccine to prevent coronavirus.”
MIGAL would be responsible for developing the new vaccine, but it would then have to go through a regulatory process, including clinical trials and large-scale production, Katz said....
They have yet even to start dosing human volunteers, so there are probably a good half a dozen groups ahead of them, possibly more.
As an aside, a market on which nation wins the global race for a vaccine would be good – and something positive to bet on.0 -
Christ, that's not good.TheScreamingEagles said:758 more Covid-19 related deaths in England.
I am intrigued. We are seeing the sort of level of deaths as Italy, Spain and France, but no real reports of hospitals crashing under the weight of cases. We have had a couple of hospitals have alerts, but nothing like in Northern Italy or Madrid, where hospitals were literally sinking under the shear volume of people, beds everywhere, people on floors, etc.0 -
Grandson's first driving lesson on public roads is/was scheduled for later this month. On his 17th birthday.DavidL said:
Going somewhere nice?ydoethur said:
Why, thank you my fellow 1983er.Luckyguy1983 said:Hope today delivers lots of joy, and you have a nice break from your labours.
Happy Birthday!
Currently waiting for an apple strudel to cook.
It cooked less well than I was hoping because I absentmindedly turned the oven off.
Ah.
My daughter's birthday is on the 28th and the lack of a party is already being lamented almost daily.0
