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According the Guardian, the 10,000 unit Dyson order is for what they call the The CoVent, which is a totally new type ventilator. Sounds like Dyson think they have got a new business opportunity, as they want to also sell it around the world.
I hope that isn't just it. AFAIK, the G-Tech one was very simple the medical experts gave it the ok and the guy was claiming he could make 1,000s of them quickly.
I have to say if I need one, I think I would definitely prefer the Dyson one than that Oxford University design were showing off today. They might claim to be able to make 5,000 a week of them, but we know what shoddy work they are usually responsible for.0 -
Its Ischgl, the Austrian ski-resort again. They are in big shit if they as alleged covered this up.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
At Fenland Poly, they are too busy trying to report to Moscow(*) to actually do science. Unlike Oxford.FrancisUrquhart said:According the Guardian, the 10,000 unit Dyson order is for what they call the The CoVent, which is a totally new type ventilator. Sounds like Dyson think they have got a new business opportunity, as they want to also sell it around the world.
I hope that isn't just it. AFAIK, the G-Tech one was very simple the medical experts gave it the ok and the guy was claiming he could make 1,000s of them quickly.
I have to say if I need one, I think I would definitely prefer the Dyson one than that Oxford University design were showing off today. They might claim to be able to make 5,000 a week of them, but we know what shoddy work they are usually responsible for.
*To be fair they may not realise that Communism is over, yet0 -
But the likes of obesity and diabetes are serious risk factors. Something America is #1 in....Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
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I see twitter have decided that only 28 people dying in England is evidence of a massive government cover-up.0
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I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
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Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Its Ischgl, the Austrian ski-resort again. They are in big shit if they as alleged covered this up.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's fascinating how Covid 19 spread....after it passed into community spreading...the virus was going to catch up with the world....0 -
Obviously - Boris is personally hiding the dead in the same place as the 4 figures of dead people from Grenfell Towers.FrancisUrquhart said:I see twitter have decided that only 28 people dying in England is evidence of a massive government cover-up.
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Dr Fox linked to a paper that had a small sample that showed their cohort was much more non-smokers, but I also saw a more recent paper that had the opposite.rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
I am no doctor (in the medical sense), but logically it seems very unlikely that an activity that screws your lungs wouldn't make you worse off against a respiratory disease.
And the suggestion with Northern Italy contributory factors include shit air quality and high levels of smoking.0 -
If I get the virus I want to breathe, I don’t want my insides pumped to twice their normal size and then sucked down to nothing.FrancisUrquhart said:According the Guardian, the 10,000 unit Dyson order is for what they call the The CoVent, which is a totally new type ventilator. Sounds like Dyson think they have got a new business opportunity, as they want to also sell it around the world.
I hope that isn't just it. AFAIK, the G-Tech one was very simple the medical experts gave it the ok and the guy was claiming he could make 1,000s of them quickly.
I have to say if I need one, I think I would definitely prefer the Dyson one than that Oxford University design were showing off today. They might claim to be able to make 5,000 a week of them, but we know what shoddy work they are usually responsible for.1 -
But, may mean far more of us have had it than first thought.tyson said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Its Ischgl, the Austrian ski-resort again. They are in big shit if they as alleged covered this up.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's fascinating how Covid 19 spread....after it passed into community spreading...the virus was going to catch up with the world....0 -
Boris the Butcher is obviously failing miserably at his desired aim of killing off all the Gammon Brexiteer oldies...that's the secret plan right?Malmesbury said:
Obviously - Boris is personally hiding the dead in the same place as the 4 figures of dead people from Grenfell Towers.FrancisUrquhart said:I see twitter have decided that only 28 people dying in England is evidence of a massive government cover-up.
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Are you suggesting that perhaps the Dyson model might be a tad overpowered?IanB2 said:
If I get the virus I want to breathe, I don’t want my insides pumped to twice their normal size and then sucked down to nothing.FrancisUrquhart said:According the Guardian, the 10,000 unit Dyson order is for what they call the The CoVent, which is a totally new type ventilator. Sounds like Dyson think they have got a new business opportunity, as they want to also sell it around the world.
I hope that isn't just it. AFAIK, the G-Tech one was very simple the medical experts gave it the ok and the guy was claiming he could make 1,000s of them quickly.
I have to say if I need one, I think I would definitely prefer the Dyson one than that Oxford University design were showing off today. They might claim to be able to make 5,000 a week of them, but we know what shoddy work they are usually responsible for.1 -
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.0 -
Komrade, with deviationist thinking like this, you will never get your MaoMentum merit badge.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris the Butcher is obviously failing miserably at his desired aim of killing off all the Gammon Brexiteer oldies...that's the secret plan right?Malmesbury said:
Obviously - Boris is personally hiding the dead in the same place as the 4 figures of dead people from Grenfell Towers.FrancisUrquhart said:I see twitter have decided that only 28 people dying in England is evidence of a massive government cover-up.
He is obviously succeeding. The lower the published numbers, the higher the ReallyReal numbers are... simples.0 -
Great ad from Biden. Although, I have laid him a little today to balance my book.
Still, Harris is 310 for POTUS. Crazy. DYOR.0 -
Thanks for the linkCarlottaVance said:
Carry on Up the White House....
he comes across like he's bladdered tonight...he can hardly talk
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Misread above, ignore.rcs1000 said:
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.0 -
Non smokers are less likely to die from itrcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
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Pretty sure the science experts will be unhappy with tonight's headlines.
A lot of 'could' involved and headlines about testing kits in days.
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Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.0
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God Trump is now on about NATO and the EU.0
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Ranting about the EU ripping off the US. If he is re-elected it is the end of US hegemony.CarlottaVance said:0 -
"We've been treated very unfairly by the European Union..."tyson said:
Thanks for the linkCarlottaVance said:
Carry on Up the White House....
he comes across like he's bladdered tonight...he can hardly talk0 -
That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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Did one of the boffins today say that the death rate is 1 in 1000?
Thought I caught something on the news but wasn't sure.0 -
No not really. The vast majority of people in most countries are quite decent. Media loves the outliers.FrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
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Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
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It would be really great if we can spin this into something more long term.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so0 -
Joe Biden can appear presidential and statesman-like in brief clips and small doses. This is a great ad because it doesn't show him at all.0
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"... two pints of milk, a packet of sugar, and have you got any loo rolls left?"RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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He is a very real danger to the American people and the rest of uswilliamglenn said:
"We've been treated very unfairly by the European Union..."tyson said:
Thanks for the linkCarlottaVance said:
Carry on Up the White House....
he comes across like he's bladdered tonight...he can hardly talk0 -
Wow Trump is really on one this evening. We are now onto the Fake News Media.0
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The worst chest infection I ever got was caught from sharing a spliff at a party at Fenland Poly after the Freshers varsity athletics meeting. So smoking and being in Cambridge are risk factors definitely.HYUFD said:
Non smokers are less likely to die from itrcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
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The US is no longer the sole superpower, China and the EU and even India are challenging it for that position.noneoftheabove said:
Ranting about the EU ripping off the US. If he is re-elected it is the end of US hegemony.CarlottaVance said:
However as this virus shows China also needs to be challenged by the West to improve its sanitation and reduce its secrecy0 -
"Epidemiology? You get an ology - you're a scientist!"RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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Cameron's Big Society was a fine idea. The massive flaw was at the same time as he bigged it up and encouraged it as a policy, another part of his government was slashing the financial support to voluntary organisations who could coordinate it.FrancisUrquhart said:
It would be really great if we can spin this into something more long term.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so
It happened to my local volunteer hub.1 -
Is that like Post-Post-Post Truth?FrancisUrquhart said:Wow Trump is really on one this evening. We are now onto the Fake News Media.
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Have you got any toilet rolls? We are running low.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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Boris gives classes on how to win elections?Kevin_McCandless said:Joe Biden can appear presidential and statesman-like in brief clips and small doses. This is a great ad because it doesn't show him at all.
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Trump struggling tonight - starts to boast when on the defensive.0
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And now he is off onto we test the most, we have the greatest test, the likes of Idaho doing great, no need to test there.0
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Has Pence got the most deadpan face in the history of politics?noneoftheabove said:
Ranting about the EU ripping off the US. If he is re-elected it is the end of US hegemony.CarlottaVance said:2 -
Pretty sure there are some farmers in the mid-west who are doing great, too. Mainly because no one goes to see them.FrancisUrquhart said:And now he is off onto we test the most, we have the greatest test, the likes of Idaho doing great, no need to test there.
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Thanks all for your kind comments on the previous thread. I have given myself a stern talking to and will get back to my usual glass half full approach tomorrow. Plenty of people far worse off than me.
Before I go to bed I just want to wish the very best to @Foxy and to thank him and his colleagues for all the work they do. Glad to hear that @GideonWise and @MaxPB are on the mend. And thoughts and prayers for @Charles.0 -
What is this thing about having the flag in the background of every photo and tv appearance? He’s upping the ante here with two.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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The wall...big beautiful wall....
It is greatest hits evening.0 -
Trump's speech when he was sworn in as POTUS talked about American carnage.
Who knew, he meant he was going to organise it himself?0 -
Utterly shocked that the PM has flags in his office.DougSeal said:
What is this thing about having the flag in the background of every photo and tv appearance? He’s upping the ante here with two.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1242896686122504192/photo/21 -
Really? No big screen conference call? not even FaceTime or Skype?RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1242896686122504192/photo/2
Fake photograph.0 -
I would love to know what the only adult on the stage, Mnuchin, is thinking.0
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Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so
I'm very curious...why do you think I was making a political point when I was querying NHS staff being unprotected?
I would have been equally appalled about the equipment members of my family have been given during a Labour Govt...probably more so because I would have expected a Labour Govt to have known better....
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How dare he talk to her Maj with his hand in his pocket!RobD said:
Utterly shocked that the PM has flags in his office.DougSeal said:
What is this thing about having the flag in the background of every photo and tv appearance? He’s upping the ante here with two.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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He really is a force of nature....rottenborough said:Trump's speech when he was sworn in as POTUS talked about American carnage.
Who knew, he meant he was going to organise it himself?
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Look, just be glad he has his shirt tucked in.Benpointer said:
How dare he talk to her Maj with his hand in his pocket!RobD said:
Utterly shocked that the PM has flags in his office.DougSeal said:
What is this thing about having the flag in the background of every photo and tv appearance? He’s upping the ante here with two.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1242896686122504192/photo/2 1 -
Steve Bannon said (after he was dumped) that the Trump presidency was not going to end well. As in really not well.FrancisUrquhart said:The wall...big beautiful wall....
It is greatest hits evening.
God knows how they will get him out of the oval office, but many people are going to lose their lives.0 -
Trump...WHO sided with China...WHO biased towards China...then massive hospital pass Fauci.0
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Fly fishing by E R Windsor.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
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The smoking rate in Spain in 2015 was 29.1% compared to 23.8% in Italy.FrancisUrquhart said:
Dr Fox linked to a paper that had a small sample that showed their cohort was much more non-smokers, but I also saw a more recent paper that had the opposite.rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
I am no doctor (in the medical sense), but logically it seems very unlikely that an activity that screws your lungs wouldn't make you worse off against a respiratory disease.
And the suggestion with Northern Italy contributory factors include shit air quality and high levels of smoking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_tobacco_use0 -
US line is steeperegg said:0 -
Yes that was the finding in one of the early Coronavirus series from China. Only 15% who were treated had a history of smoking, rather lower than the Chinese average.rcs1000 said:
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.
I think though it was looking at younger people with infections. It was cited by the Singapore University resources.
https://twitter.com/ubcprez/status/1239990410736357376?s=19
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162 miles built.....out of 1,945 total.....FrancisUrquhart said:The wall...big beautiful wall....
It is greatest hits evening.0 -
You really hope the people making the decisions behind the scenes in the US are just by-passing Trump.
And back onto the stock market....1 -
Queen: "I just need to check on my Prince Philip"Benpointer said:
How dare he talk to her Maj with his hand in his pocket!RobD said:
Utterly shocked that the PM has flags in his office.DougSeal said:
What is this thing about having the flag in the background of every photo and tv appearance? He’s upping the ante here with two.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1242896686122504192/photo/2
Bozo: "I'm just checking on my Prince Albert"
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Foxy said:
Yes that was the finding in one of the early Coronavirus series from China. Only 15% who were treated had a history of smoking, rather lower than the Chinese average.rcs1000 said:
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.
I think though it was looking at younger people with infections. It was cited by the Singapore University resources.
https://twitter.com/ubcprez/status/1239990410736357376?s=19
Floater posted before that you have confirmed that the PPE equipment is OK for NHS frontline staff....is that correct?0 -
It’s a crime on a par with the lack of protective gear for patrols in Iraq under Blair. Families took that into court, and they will do here.tyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so
I'm very curious...why do you think I was making a political point when I was querying NHS staff being unprotected?
I would have been equally appalled about the equipment members of my family have been given during a Labour Govt...probably more so because I would have expected a Labour Govt to have known better....
Not voting government back in after how they mishandled virus, will play on doorsteps at next election, like Iraq did in 2005.0 -
Didn't they just get 15 million masks and 25 million gloves?tyson said:Foxy said:
Yes that was the finding in one of the early Coronavirus series from China. Only 15% who were treated had a history of smoking, rather lower than the Chinese average.rcs1000 said:
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.
I think though it was looking at younger people with infections. It was cited by the Singapore University resources.
https://twitter.com/ubcprez/status/1239990410736357376?s=19
Floater posted before that you have confirmed that the PPE equipment is OK for NHS frontline staff....is that correct?0 -
Nick Watt looking slightly peaky on Newsnight. Hope he’s okay!0
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Or maybe all the makeup team are self isolating!Anabobazina said:Nick Watt looking slightly peaky on Newsnight. Hope he’s okay!
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Ok, new theory:
- The first iteration of the novel coronavirus actually appeared at some point in mid 2019. As it was extremely infectious, millions of people round the world caught it.
- This form was unpleasant, but almost invariably harmless, and generally cleared up in a few days to a few weeks. As a result, no one noticed at the time, nobody bothered developing antibody tests, classifying it, etc.
- It then evolved into something quite nasty in Hubei, sometime in November 2019. The rapidly mounting death rate quickly brought it to the attention of the Chinese authorities.
- Since then, there have been a few further major variants, with quite variable levels of aggression and general nastiness/associated mortality.
- Crucially, having had one variant (including the first one) confers almost (but not complete) immunity for all the others.
I know this is entirely guesswork. But it seems like it fits all the facts we have. It explains why:
- the virus seems both incredibly infectious but also not to be spreading all that quickly
- there are wildly different death rates in different countries
- case rates seem to tail off after a while regardless of whether anyone does anything about it or not
- The Imperial vs Oxford modelling on number of cases - they're both right, only the latter are including all variants and the former only the nasty one
- The incredibly wide range of symptoms experienced by a range of people exposed to the the same disease, none of whom have any immunity to it
- I and a bunch of people I know had all the symptons months before anyoen in China did
What have I missed? The bat/pangolin research? Just a total failure to understand how epidemiology works?2 -
Lady Haw Fulrottenborough said:1 -
I have seen less conspiracy theory in a mash-up between Alex Jones and David Icke output than her twitter timeline.rottenborough said:Meanwhile...
twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1242940486324834304
I am surprised nobody from the Guardian has had a word.0 -
The way you attack my support for Boris and HMG but to be honest Tyson I do care about your family, indeed for everyone on the front line, and please accept that I do not want to fall out with you or anyone to be honesttyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so
I'm very curious...why do you think I was making a political point when I was querying NHS staff being unprotected?
I would have been equally appalled about the equipment members of my family have been given during a Labour Govt...probably more so because I would have expected a Labour Govt to have known better....
I hope your family get the PPE they need and just a little personal point, my dear niece and her husband have both gone down with covid 19 and are making a slow and painful recovery2 -
Erm, isn't that the sort of things governments do... plan for the worst?rottenborough said:1 -
I keep misreading her name as Carol Codswallop. (I don't expect that's an original observation).rottenborough said:0 -
If it's absolute deaths on the y axis, shouldn't we be looking at EEA +UK vs US?rottenborough said:
US line is steeperegg said:1 -
As of today...and I carry on bleating on about this...my family are working in NHS wards and do not feel safe...RobD said:
Didn't they just get 15 million masks and 25 million gloves?tyson said:Foxy said:
Yes that was the finding in one of the early Coronavirus series from China. Only 15% who were treated had a history of smoking, rather lower than the Chinese average.rcs1000 said:
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.
I think though it was looking at younger people with infections. It was cited by the Singapore University resources.
https://twitter.com/ubcprez/status/1239990410736357376?s=19
Floater posted before that you have confirmed that the PPE equipment is OK for NHS frontline staff....is that correct?
I have a good friend in St Thomas's...I will name this...who is working on a respiratory ward who is given the right equipment....
I was surprised too hear Floater telling me that Fox has said that all is well
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Spain line starts later, and is higher. Correct me where I am wrong. But that means if this was chart of mountains in a grand tour this tells you Col d’Spain is steeper?rottenborough said:
US line is steeperegg said:0 -
Cases in Lombardy in November?Endillion said:Ok, new theory:
- The first iteration of the novel coronavirus actually appeared at some point in mid 2019. As it was extremely infectious, millions of people round the world caught it.
- This form was unpleasant, but almost invariably harmless, and generally cleared up in a few days to a few weeks. As a result, no one noticed at the time, nobody bothered developing antibody tests, classifying it, etc.
- It then evolved into something quite nasty in Hubei, sometime in November 2019. The rapidly mounting death rate quickly brought it to the attention of the Chinese authorities.
- Since then, there have been a few further major variants, with quite variable levels of aggression and general nastiness/associated mortality.
- Crucially, having had one variant (including the first one) confers almost (but not complete) immunity for all the others.
I know this is entirely guesswork. But it seems like it fits all the facts we have. It explains why:
- the virus seems both incredibly infectious but also not to be spreading all that quickly
- there are wildly different death rates in different countries
- case rates seem to tail off after a while regardless of whether anyone does anything about it or not
- The Imperial vs Oxford modelling on number of cases - they're both right, only the latter are including all variants and the former only the nasty one
- The incredibly wide range of symptoms experienced by a range of people exposed to the the same disease, none of whom have any immunity to it
- I and a bunch of people I know had all the symptons months before anyoen in China did
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I wouldn't go as far as that. We have plenty of gloves, masks and aprons at Leicester. There are shortages of FFP3 masks and of the long sleeved gowns. The biggest practical issue is the ability to identify the patients that we need to use it on.tyson said:Foxy said:
Yes that was the finding in one of the early Coronavirus series from China. Only 15% who were treated had a history of smoking, rather lower than the Chinese average.rcs1000 said:
@Foxy posted a link, I think.Benpointer said:
Have you got a source for that?rcs1000 said:
I thought non-smokers were much more likely to catch CV-19.Andy_JS said:
If smoking is an important factor, the USA might do better than expected since they have a relatively low rate.Alistair said:Global Deaths still well ahead of this back of the fag packet calculation posted on Twitter a while ago, I had thought that by mid April the new death rate would be beating this chart but America looks like it is going to blow this apart.
IIRC they're less likely to get it, but have much worse outcomes if they do.
I think though it was looking at younger people with infections. It was cited by the Singapore University resources.
https://twitter.com/ubcprez/status/1239990410736357376?s=19
Floater posted before that you have confirmed that the PPE equipment is OK for NHS frontline staff....is that correct?0 -
Has Gov.uk still not made its official announcement of UK cases for today?
BBC doesn't appear to have the figures though others do.0 -
I am really, really sorry to hear about your family being ill....this is truly a terrible time that is impacting on all us in some way........Big_G_NorthWales said:
The way you attack my support for Boris and HMG but to be honest Tyson I do care about your family, indeed for everyone on the front line, and please accept that I do not want to fall out with you or anyone to be honesttyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so
I'm very curious...why do you think I was making a political point when I was querying NHS staff being unprotected?
I would have been equally appalled about the equipment members of my family have been given during a Labour Govt...probably more so because I would have expected a Labour Govt to have known better....
I hope your family get the PPE they need and just a little personal point, my dear niece and her husband have both gone down with covid 19 and are making a slow and painful recovery
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I believe they are now doing their own makeupAnabobazina said:
Or maybe all the makeup team are self isolating!Anabobazina said:Nick Watt looking slightly peaky on Newsnight. Hope he’s okay!
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It is Tyson and I am sorry if I upset youtyson said:
I am really, really sorry to hear about your family being ill....this is truly a terrible time that is impacting on all us in some way........Big_G_NorthWales said:
The way you attack my support for Boris and HMG but to be honest Tyson I do care about your family, indeed for everyone on the front line, and please accept that I do not want to fall out with you or anyone to be honesttyson said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even beyond Cavid Cameron's dreams of a big societyFrancisUrquhart said:Over 500,000 people have now volunteered. Really amazing to see.
It speaks volumns for our country and how love trumps hate
And I think this is the start of a much more compassionate country, at least lets hope so
I'm very curious...why do you think I was making a political point when I was querying NHS staff being unprotected?
I would have been equally appalled about the equipment members of my family have been given during a Labour Govt...probably more so because I would have expected a Labour Govt to have known better....
I hope your family get the PPE they need and just a little personal point, my dear niece and her husband have both gone down with covid 19 and are making a slow and painful recovery0 -
That would perhaps explain why so many people had a terrible cold in December, including me.Endillion said:Ok, new theory:
- The first iteration of the novel coronavirus actually appeared at some point in mid 2019. As it was extremely infectious, millions of people round the world caught it.
- This form was unpleasant, but almost invariably harmless, and generally cleared up in a few days to a few weeks. As a result, no one noticed at the time, nobody bothered developing antibody tests, classifying it, etc.
- It then evolved into something quite nasty in Hubei, sometime in November 2019. The rapidly mounting death rate quickly brought it to the attention of the Chinese authorities.
- Since then, there have been a few further major variants, with quite variable levels of aggression and general nastiness/associated mortality.
- Crucially, having had one variant (including the first one) confers almost (but not complete) immunity for all the others.
I know this is entirely guesswork. But it seems like it fits all the facts we have. It explains why:
- the virus seems both incredibly infectious but also not to be spreading all that quickly
- there are wildly different death rates in different countries
- case rates seem to tail off after a while regardless of whether anyone does anything about it or not
- The Imperial vs Oxford modelling on number of cases - they're both right, only the latter are including all variants and the former only the nasty one
- The incredibly wide range of symptoms experienced by a range of people exposed to the the same disease, none of whom have any immunity to it
- I and a bunch of people I know had all the symptons months before anyoen in China did
What have I missed? The bat/pangolin research? Just a total failure to understand how epidemiology works?0 -
Meanwhile, over at the we actually won the 2019 GE camp...
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Newsnight having a Trump over ventilators.0
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Hands in pockets always make me think of this chap -SandyRentool said:
Queen: "I just need to check on my Prince Philip"Benpointer said:
How dare he talk to her Maj with his hand in his pocket!RobD said:
Utterly shocked that the PM https://cdn.britannica.com/65/134565-050-109B1A28/David-Beatty.jpg flags in his office.DougSeal said:
What is this thing about having the flag in the background of every photo and tv appearance? He’s upping the ante here with two.RobD said:That doesn't look like a particularly secure phone, Your Majesty.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1242896686122504192/photo/2
Bozo: "I'm just checking on my Prince Albert"
https://cdn.britannica.com/65/134565-050-109B1A28/David-Beatty.jpg
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There is a Stanford report out tonight which supports much of this. I don’t think I can post it as it’s (£) and might get Mike into trouble. But I’ll quote a line below...Endillion said:Ok, new theory:
- The first iteration of the novel coronavirus actually appeared at some point in mid 2019. As it was extremely infectious, millions of people round the world caught it.
- This form was unpleasant, but almost invariably harmless, and generally cleared up in a few days to a few weeks. As a result, no one noticed at the time, nobody bothered developing antibody tests, classifying it, etc.
- It then evolved into something quite nasty in Hubei, sometime in November 2019. The rapidly mounting death rate quickly brought it to the attention of the Chinese authorities.
- Since then, there have been a few further major variants, with quite variable levels of aggression and general nastiness/associated mortality.
- Crucially, having had one variant (including the first one) confers almost (but not complete) immunity for all the others.
I know this is entirely guesswork. But it seems like it fits all the facts we have. It explains why:
- the virus seems both incredibly infectious but also not to be spreading all that quickly
- there are wildly different death rates in different countries
- case rates seem to tail off after a while regardless of whether anyone does anything about it or not
- The Imperial vs Oxford modelling on number of cases - they're both right, only the latter are including all variants and the former only the nasty one
- The incredibly wide range of symptoms experienced by a range of people exposed to the the same disease, none of whom have any immunity to it
- I and a bunch of people I know had all the symptons months before anyoen in China did
What have I missed? The bat/pangolin research? Just a total failure to understand how epidemiology works?0 -
Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.2 -
Incredibly infectious is over stating things. I believe the chance of transmission on single contact has been estimated at 5%. Both the ski chalet and the cruise ship shows that it is possible to have repeated exposure and still not catch it.Endillion said:Ok, new theory:
- The first iteration of the novel coronavirus actually appeared at some point in mid 2019. As it was extremely infectious, millions of people round the world caught it.
- This form was unpleasant, but almost invariably harmless, and generally cleared up in a few days to a few weeks. As a result, no one noticed at the time, nobody bothered developing antibody tests, classifying it, etc.
- It then evolved into something quite nasty in Hubei, sometime in November 2019. The rapidly mounting death rate quickly brought it to the attention of the Chinese authorities.
- Since then, there have been a few further major variants, with quite variable levels of aggression and general nastiness/associated mortality.
- Crucially, having had one variant (including the first one) confers almost (but not complete) immunity for all the others.
I know this is entirely guesswork. But it seems like it fits all the facts we have. It explains why:
- the virus seems both incredibly infectious but also not to be spreading all that quickly
- there are wildly different death rates in different countries
- case rates seem to tail off after a while regardless of whether anyone does anything about it or not
- The Imperial vs Oxford modelling on number of cases - they're both right, only the latter are including all variants and the former only the nasty one
- The incredibly wide range of symptoms experienced by a range of people exposed to the the same disease, none of whom have any immunity to it
- I and a bunch of people I know had all the symptons months before anyoen in China did
What have I missed? The bat/pangolin research? Just a total failure to understand how epidemiology works?0
