That's why we need the government banging on and on, on the TV, telling everyone this is serious. It doesn't matter if they fecking panic. Just get them to wash their hands
If they can put together a love actually ad in a day, they really should have managed to put together a simple public awareness one. It doesn't need to be Roger greatest work, a simple animated one wash your sodding hands, if you have these symptoms bloody stay at home...
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
I might as well pour some petrol on Eadric's fire....
If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If you are correct, it will be very good for the environment.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
I might as well pour some petrol on Eadric's fire....
If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
Perhaps you could pontificate for us?
I'd suggest that given the demographics of this site you'd be looking 5 times that mortality rate.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
I might as well pour some petrol on Eadric's fire....
If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
Perhaps you could pontificate for us?
Actually given the age/sex profile its probably worse than that.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
That's why we need the government banging on and on, on the TV, telling everyone this is serious. It doesn't matter if they fecking panic. Just get them to wash their hands
If they can put together a love actually ad in a day, they really should have managed to put together a simple public awareness one. It doesn't need to be Roger greatest work, a simple animated one wash your sodding hands, if you have these symptoms bloody stay at home...
“And basically every doctor, they were telling reporters the parade shouldn’t happen. The reporters were writing the stories; editors were killing them,” he said. “The Philadelphia papers wouldn’t print anything about it.”
The parade was held and, 48 hours later, Spanish flu slammed the city. Even once schools were closed and public gatherings were banned, city officials claimed it wasn’t a public health measure and there was no cause for alarm, Barry said. Philadelphia became one of the hardest hit areas of the country. The dead lay in their beds and on the streets for days; eventually, they were buried in mass graves....
That's why we need the government banging on and on, on the TV, telling everyone this is serious. It doesn't matter if they fecking panic. Just get them to wash their hands
If they can put together a love actually ad in a day, they really should have managed to put together a simple public awareness one. It doesn't need to be Roger greatest work, a simple animated one wash your sodding hands, if you have these symptoms bloody stay at home...
Yeah, but that was the political campaign which is a small organisation with a single focus. This one has to be done by the Civil Service so you'll need endless meetings discussing if it should be done by NHS England, or the Dept for Health or a new project team from the Government Communication Service...
That's why we need the government banging on and on, on the TV, telling everyone this is serious. It doesn't matter if they fecking panic. Just get them to wash their hands
If they can put together a love actually ad in a day, they really should have managed to put together a simple public awareness one. It doesn't need to be Roger greatest work, a simple animated one wash your sodding hands, if you have these symptoms bloody stay at home...
Whilst the PM has clearly jumped on board the wash your hands instructions and will (rightly) repeat them in every interview, I am guessing he hasnt changed his habits at all.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
The commission found he had instructed his brother Leon to bet on a possible move to Spanish side Sevilla, and that he had given him inside information during the January 2018 transfer window.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
I might as well pour some petrol on Eadric's fire....
If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
Perhaps you could pontificate for us?
I'd suggest that given the demographics of this site you'd be looking 5 times that mortality rate.
Perhaps we should all start wearing protective herbs about our persons?
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
I might as well pour some petrol on Eadric's fire....
If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
Perhaps you could pontificate for us?
Actually given the age/sex profile its probably worse than that.
The thing is, there still seems to be a huge amount guesswork involved.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
The commission found he had instructed his brother Leon to bet on a possible move to Spanish side Sevilla, and that he had given him inside information during the January 2018 transfer window.
Shakes head in disbelief.
Poor lad, he thought he was heading to sunny Spain and he actually moved to the shit hole that is West Bromwich.
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
Even in moments of historical near societal collapse other things besides the ongoing tragedy did happen. As we're not at that stage then yes, other stuff does matter. Probably not everything we think matters, but then that was the case before the virus.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
The commission found he had instructed his brother Leon to bet on a possible move to Spanish side Sevilla, and that he had given him inside information during the January 2018 transfer window.
Shakes head in disbelief.
Incredibly stupid of him. The impact is completely disproportionate to the "crime" though. This is not high level match fixing or the equivalent of insider share dealing. He/his brother might have made a few hundred quid at best and would have ended up losing as the move never took place. The only people "harmed" would have been the bookmakers who would presumably be more than happy to pay far more than a few hundred quid to have an incredibly stupid multi millionaire who likes betting as their client.
Supermarket giant Tesco will issue 600,000 new Clubcards to customers due to a security issue.
The company believe a collection of stolen data from another organisation have been utilised in order to try to gain access to up to 620,000 Clubcard accounts.
Those impacted by the matter were sent an email by Tesco to make them aware of the issue.
Additionally, Tesco has cancelled all affected vouchers.
Tesco maintains that no financial information was accessed and that their platform was not hacked and that their decision was taken as a precaution.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
The commission found he had instructed his brother Leon to bet on a possible move to Spanish side Sevilla, and that he had given him inside information during the January 2018 transfer window.
Shakes head in disbelief.
The lack of cases is illogical unless fewer Brits were in Italy, Iran etc than the rest of Europe. Testing doesn’t stop you getting it while you are abroad so do Brits have better hygiene standards than Spain France or Germany ?
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
It's no different to an accountant or lawyer providing insider information to a family member. The personal punishment is huge compared to the personal gain, but it has to be in this case for the system to have any chance of keeping some integrity. The foolishness is his, not theirs who punished him.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
I might as well pour some petrol on Eadric's fire....
If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
Perhaps you could pontificate for us?
Actually given the age/sex profile its probably worse than that.
The thing is, there still seems to be a huge amount guesswork involved.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If a restaurant fails, that's not much fun for the people who invested their life savings in it. But the equipment is still there ready to be used. The total amount of work the economy is capable of doing has barely changed.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
The commission found he had instructed his brother Leon to bet on a possible move to Spanish side Sevilla, and that he had given him inside information during the January 2018 transfer window.
Shakes head in disbelief.
The lack of cases is illogical unless fewer Brits were in Italy, Iran etc than the rest of Europe. Testing doesn’t stop you getting it while you are abroad so do Brits have better hygiene standards than Spain France or Germany ?
Its a single day, tomorrow could reveal a big jump (and more than likely will). It is all about the trend and why things like bayesian modelling approaches should be for analysing these kind of things.
Daniel Sturridge banned from football for 4 months, fined 150k and loses his £3 million a year job (approx £7m left on contract) for providing a losing tip to his brother on a market bookies normally have a max bet of sub £100.
Not sure where to start with that one!
The commission found he had instructed his brother Leon to bet on a possible move to Spanish side Sevilla, and that he had given him inside information during the January 2018 transfer window.
Shakes head in disbelief.
The lack of cases is illogical unless fewer Brits were in Italy, Iran etc than the rest of Europe. Testing doesn’t stop you getting it while you are abroad so do Brits have better hygiene standards than Spain France or Germany ?
There is the “superspreader” hypothesis - that some people are, for reasons not entirely clear (see link), responsible for most of the transmission. Thus the ski chalet guy, and the couple who returned to Italy from China, kicked off a chain of infections, whereas other people haven’t.
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
Picard. That show is warming up nicely.
The first episode was god awful. Have not ventured further
This will be a petty thing, but I find the level of swearing in it over the top. Not because I'm against swearing, I watched Deadwood for crying out loud, but hearing the Commander in Chief of Starfleet dropping the f bomb just feels weird to me.
And while starfleet always had corrupt admirals and the Federation not so much of a utopia as it seemed, the Federation of Picard hardly seems worth defending as a good society even.
Which is probably part of the point, I suppose, but it's not making me jump up and down in excitement.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If a restaurant fails, that's not much fun for the people who invested their life savings in it. But the equipment is still there ready to be used. The total amount of work the economy is capable of doing has barely changed.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
That's encouraging, but in 1918 the world was much less globalised, and services weren't as important, and the travel industry wasn't as salient.
Travel and tourism accounts for 10% of global GDP. It's gonna get wiped out for 6 months, maybe more. That's big
Will Boeing survive? They've had an extraordinarily rough year already.
WHO Director-General, earlier today: If this was an influenza epidemic, we would have expected to see widespread community transmission across the globe by now, and efforts to slow it down or contain it would not be feasible. But containment of COVID-19 is feasible and must remain the top priority for all countries.“
That's why we need the government banging on and on, on the TV, telling everyone this is serious. It doesn't matter if they fecking panic. Just get them to wash their hands
“And basically every doctor, they were telling reporters the parade shouldn’t happen. The reporters were writing the stories; editors were killing them,” he said. “The Philadelphia papers wouldn’t print anything about it.”
The parade was held and, 48 hours later, Spanish flu slammed the city. Even once schools were closed and public gatherings were banned, city officials claimed it wasn’t a public health measure and there was no cause for alarm, Barry said. Philadelphia became one of the hardest hit areas of the country. The dead lay in their beds and on the streets for days; eventually, they were buried in mass graves....
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If a restaurant fails, that's not much fun for the people who invested their life savings in it. But the equipment is still there ready to be used. The total amount of work the economy is capable of doing has barely changed.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
That's encouraging, but in 1918 the world was much less globalised, and services weren't as important, and the travel industry wasn't as salient.
Travel and tourism accounts for 10% of global GDP. It's gonna get wiped out for 6 months, maybe more. That's big
Will Boeing survive? They've had an extraordinarily rough year already.
I'd have thought that the US Govt would bail them out if needed. DYOR obviously
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
The latest allegation, as reported on the 5PM Radio 4 programme, is that while at the DWP, she so bullied a member of her staff that said staff member tried to commit suicide and was later given a payoff. That sounds pretty serious to me.
The state of the main opposition party does matter. Our democracy has been degraded as a result of having such a poor opposition. Let us hope that this changes soon.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If a restaurant fails, that's not much fun for the people who invested their life savings in it. But the equipment is still there ready to be used. The total amount of work the economy is capable of doing has barely changed.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
That's encouraging, but in 1918 the world was much less globalised, and services weren't as important, and the travel industry wasn't as salient.
Travel and tourism accounts for 10% of global GDP. It's gonna get wiped out for 6 months, maybe more. That's big
Will Boeing survive? They've had an extraordinarily rough year already.
I'd have thought that the US Govt would bail them out if needed. DYOR obviously
I wouldn't be going anywhere near an airline or plane manufacturer right now.
166 in intensive care 742 in hospital 927 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.077 cases in Lombardia 324 in Emilia Romagna 271 in Veneto 51 in Piemonte 34 Marche 18 in Liguria 17 in Campania 12 in Toscana 9 in Friuli Venezia Giulia 5 Sicilia 4 Lazio 5 Abruzzo 4 Puglia 2 Umbria 1 Bolzano 1 Calabria
Are we missing that Warren is now routinely polling a solid third now, clearly ahead of Bloomberg in both states and nationals?
Her price in the 60s for the nomination and 130s for the presidency looks value to me, not least because she could reap a bigger chunk of delegates than him and then her price will come in.
If Sanders falls victim to the actuarial then she’s the natural successor.
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
The latest allegation, as reported on the 5PM Radio 4 programme, is that while at the DWP, she so bullied a member of her staff that said staff member tried to commit suicide and was later given a payoff. That sounds pretty serious to me.
The state of the main opposition party does matter. Our democracy has been degraded as a result of having such a poor opposition. Let us hope that this changes soon.
I have a suspicion that the main outcome of all this will simply be that it be acknowledged Patel is a shit person to work for. We shall see.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If you are correct, it will be very good for the environment.
It could be a biblical correction to the over indulgence in globalism & capitalism
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
Picard. That show is warming up nicely.
The first episode was god awful. Have not ventured further
This will be a petty thing, but I find the level of swearing in it over the top. Not because I'm against swearing, I watched Deadwood for crying out loud, but hearing the Commander in Chief of Starfleet dropping the f bomb just feels weird to me.
And while starfleet always had corrupt admirals and the Federation not so much of a utopia as it seemed, the Federation of Picard hardly seems worth defending as a good society even.
Which is probably part of the point, I suppose, but it's not making me jump up and down in excitement.
I was in Deadwood in October. Kind of sad, a street of Wild West facades behind which almost every shop was a casino, bar, or full of slot machines. Indeed in the ‘wild west’ generally it was striking how much of this slice of history is now packaged and marketed like a theme park.
Are we missing that Warren is now routinely polling a solid third now, clearly ahead of Bloomberg in both states and nationals?
Her price in the 60s for the nomination and 130s for the presidency looks value to me, not least because she could reap a bigger chunk of delegates than him and then her price will come in.
If Sanders falls victim to the actuarial then she’s the natural successor.
Sanders has only got till July to snuff it because Betfair is betting on who is nominated at the Convention in July, not who runs in November.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If a restaurant fails, that's not much fun for the people who invested their life savings in it. But the equipment is still there ready to be used. The total amount of work the economy is capable of doing has barely changed.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
That's encouraging, but in 1918 the world was much less globalised, and services weren't as important, and the travel industry wasn't as salient.
Travel and tourism accounts for 10% of global GDP. It's gonna get wiped out for 6 months, maybe more. That's big
Will Boeing survive? They've had an extraordinarily rough year already.
I'd have thought that the US Govt would bail them out if needed. DYOR obviously
I wouldn't be going anywhere near an airline or plane manufacturer right now.
I agree. Just wary of shorting them for that reason...
Are we missing that Warren is now routinely polling a solid third now, clearly ahead of Bloomberg in both states and nationals?
Her price in the 60s for the nomination and 130s for the presidency looks value to me, not least because she could reap a bigger chunk of delegates than him and then her price will come in.
If Sanders falls victim to the actuarial then she’s the natural successor.
Yes, I think bettors should keep her green, it's cheap enough to do so, after all. I can't see anyone outside the top three making it from here.
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
Picard. That show is warming up nicely.
The first episode was god awful. Have not ventured further
This will be a petty thing, but I find the level of swearing in it over the top. Not because I'm against swearing, I watched Deadwood for crying out loud, but hearing the Commander in Chief of Starfleet dropping the f bomb just feels weird to me.
And while starfleet always had corrupt admirals and the Federation not so much of a utopia as it seemed, the Federation of Picard hardly seems worth defending as a good society even.
Which is probably part of the point, I suppose, but it's not making me jump up and down in excitement.
I was in Deadwood in October. Kind of sad, a street of Wild West facades behind which almost every shop was a casino, bar, or full of slot machines. Indeed in the ‘wild west’ generally it was striking how much of this slice of history is now packaged and marketed like a theme park.
Was the TV series any good?
Brilliant programme. Bizarre they never finished it.
Are we missing that Warren is now routinely polling a solid third now, clearly ahead of Bloomberg in both states and nationals?
Her price in the 60s for the nomination and 130s for the presidency looks value to me, not least because she could reap a bigger chunk of delegates than him and then her price will come in.
If Sanders falls victim to the actuarial then she’s the natural successor.
Sanders has only got till July to snuff it because Betfair is betting on who is nominated at the Convention in July, not who runs in November.
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I bow to no-one in my scepticism in the current world economic model (America borrows from China to buy goods from China which then lends the money it made by selling the goods to America...), but really, a slowdown of this type is not *that* serious.
When the coronavirus pandemic finishes (and it will finish*), then economic activity will bounce back. I also have little doubt that governments will use the slowdown as an excuse to get the printing presses revved up again, and monetisation of government debt will go full throttle.
* I make no forecast when this will be, and I don't mean to minimise the seriousness of this, but at some point it will be over.
Philip Thompson is right. You are ignoring the permanent damage a shock like this will do (even if, please God, it is brief)
Lots of businesses will fold, for good. They can't suddenly come back to life. Inflation will spike, also = trouble. Even when the virus is done there will be grieving, and prolonged health issues = subdued economic activity. Travel will be unpopular for a loooong time
This will have many many ripple effects, economically, and nearly all of them will be negative.
I do hate to be constantly gloomy (I wish I could be otherwise) but I see no basis for cheery optimism.
Again, our biggest hope is sunshine. Colds hate the warm. Bring on the bloody sunshine.
If a restaurant fails, that's not much fun for the people who invested their life savings in it. But the equipment is still there ready to be used. The total amount of work the economy is capable of doing has barely changed.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
That's encouraging, but in 1918 the world was much less globalised, and services weren't as important, and the travel industry wasn't as salient.
Travel and tourism accounts for 10% of global GDP. It's gonna get wiped out for 6 months, maybe more. That's big
Will Boeing survive? They've had an extraordinarily rough year already.
It’s their own fault.
They should have moved mountains when the first 737-Max crash occurred.
They didn’t, and dragged their feet together with the FAA (who were rather weak), so are now reaping the whirlwind.
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
Picard. That show is warming up nicely.
The first episode was god awful. Have not ventured further
This will be a petty thing, but I find the level of swearing in it over the top. Not because I'm against swearing, I watched Deadwood for crying out loud, but hearing the Commander in Chief of Starfleet dropping the f bomb just feels weird to me.
And while starfleet always had corrupt admirals and the Federation not so much of a utopia as it seemed, the Federation of Picard hardly seems worth defending as a good society even.
Which is probably part of the point, I suppose, but it's not making me jump up and down in excitement.
I was in Deadwood in October. Kind of sad, a street of Wild West facades behind which almost every shop was a casino, bar, or full of slot machines. Indeed in the ‘wild west’ generally it was striking how much of this slice of history is now packaged and marketed like a theme park.
Was the TV series any good?
Brilliant programme. Bizarre they never finished it.
There are three series on Amazon, plus a follow up feature film. I must get round to paying for at least the first.
Italy now has 52 dead (which is sad) and 340 new cases today.
349 cases is a lot, but it is actually a lot LESS than yesterday, which saw a 566 increase.
Way too early to be properly optimistic, but worth noting.
The comments from the WHO director has given me some hope. A proper lock down can seriously slow this.
Here's a very interesting trend.
There seem to be two types of growth for this bug. In countries like South Korea, Italy, Germany, Iran, etc, it is growing exponentially.
In much of East Asia, that is not the case: in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan you see a very different growth. It is slow, but steady - and the pattern is exactly the same for all of them.
Someone yesterday said this was because Japan is not testing enough, but I do not think that this applies to Singapore.
So maybe there is hope there, too. In East Asia they have got something right.
Or they happen to live somewhere warmer this time of year....
A former aide to Priti Patel received a £25,000 payout from the government after claiming she was bullied by the then employment minister.
Legal correspondence seen by the BBC alleges the woman took an overdose of prescription medicine following the alleged incident in 2015.
The DWP did not admit liability and the case did not come before a tribunal.
For me the killer detail is that there was no complaint about the staff member's'performance. Simply, Patel was alleged to have said she didn't like her face.
Does anything other than the virus situation genuinely really matter at the moment?
Currently, I honestly couldn't give a crap if Patel shouts and swears at her staff or what the Labour Leadership losers are up to.
Picard. That show is warming up nicely.
The first episode was god awful. Have not ventured further
This will be a petty thing, but I find the level of swearing in it over the top. Not because I'm against swearing, I watched Deadwood for crying out loud, but hearing the Commander in Chief of Starfleet dropping the f bomb just feels weird to me.
And while starfleet always had corrupt admirals and the Federation not so much of a utopia as it seemed, the Federation of Picard hardly seems worth defending as a good society even.
Which is probably part of the point, I suppose, but it's not making me jump up and down in excitement.
I was in Deadwood in October. Kind of sad, a street of Wild West facades behind which almost every shop was a casino, bar, or full of slot machines. Indeed in the ‘wild west’ generally it was striking how much of this slice of history is now packaged and marketed like a theme park.
Was the TV series any good?
Brilliant programme. Bizarre they never finished it.
There are three series on Amazon, plus a follow up feature film. I must get round to paying for at least the first.
You won't regret it and it will also improve your ability to use profanities.
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I have no idea whether Patel survives or not, and she is not my idea for high office, but the combined attack from the left does make it look like there is a campaign to take her down due to her strong immigration and law and order views
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
That's why we need the government banging on and on, on the TV, telling everyone this is serious. It doesn't matter if they fecking panic. Just get them to wash their hands
If they can put together a love actually ad in a day, they really should have managed to put together a simple public awareness one. It doesn't need to be Roger greatest work, a simple animated one wash your sodding hands, if you have these symptoms bloody stay at home...
On Topic Tim, SO & DH FFS not a single party member musing on Lab unless SO is on his 3rd Okeeeey Cokeeeey.
Yep, I'm back. And I have voted.
Lets hope RLB doesnt win or presumably you would be off Again. I put her last of 3
I did not bother with her at all.
As a patriot, I am doing all I can to ensure the country gets the Opposition it so desperately needs. A large part of the Cummings/Johnson strategy is predicated on there not being a competent shadow front bench. It has made sense up to now. Hopefully, that will change in a few weeks.
Are we missing that Warren is now routinely polling a solid third now, clearly ahead of Bloomberg in both states and nationals?
Her price in the 60s for the nomination and 130s for the presidency looks value to me, not least because she could reap a bigger chunk of delegates than him and then her price will come in.
If Sanders falls victim to the actuarial then she’s the natural successor.
Yes, I think bettors should keep her green, it's cheap enough to do so, after all. I can't see anyone outside the top three making it from here.
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I have no idea whether Patel survives or not, and she is not my idea for high office, but the combined attack from the left does make it look like there is a campaign to take her down due to her strong immigration and law and order views
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
Senior servants and ministerial aides are “the left” now?
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I have no idea whether Patel survives or not, and she is not my idea for high office, but the combined attack from the left does make it look like there is a campaign to take her down due to her strong immigration and law and order views
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
What has law and order got to do with staff ending up feeling suicidal due to bullying?
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I have no idea whether Patel survives or not, and she is not my idea for high office, but the combined attack from the left does make it look like there is a campaign to take her down due to her strong immigration and law and order views
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
Senior servants and ministerial aides are “the left” now?
It is being led by labour and the unions and indeed it is very likely many of the mandarins are on the left as evidenced by Kerslake and others
Italy now has 52 dead (which is sad) and 340 new cases today.
349 cases is a lot, but it is actually a lot LESS than yesterday, which saw a 566 increase.
Way too early to be properly optimistic, but worth noting.
The comments from the WHO director has given me some hope. A proper lock down can seriously slow this.
Here's a very interesting trend.
There seem to be two types of growth for this bug. In countries like South Korea, Italy, Germany, Iran, etc, it is growing exponentially.
In much of East Asia, that is not the case: in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan you see a very different growth. It is slow, but steady - and the pattern is exactly the same for all of them.
Someone yesterday said this was because Japan is not testing enough, but I do not think that this applies to Singapore.
So maybe there is hope there, too. In East Asia they have got something right.
I think the South Korea example might be a weird outlier due to this cult going undetected for a while. Everything with this virus is a lagged indicator but I get the impression the South Koreans are utilising their resources to very good effect.
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I have no idea whether Patel survives or not, and she is not my idea for high office, but the combined attack from the left does make it look like there is a campaign to take her down due to her strong immigration and law and order views
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
This is not about an attack from the 'left'. It's the sort of vile behaviour that should be regarded as intolerable in the case of any employee, never mind a government minister.
Just heard the latest Patel allegations relating to her behaviour while at DWP on BBC News. Utterly extraordinary. If there's any substance to them, she can't possibly survive.
I have no idea whether Patel survives or not, and she is not my idea for high office, but the combined attack from the left does make it look like there is a campaign to take her down due to her strong immigration and law and order views
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
What has law and order got to do with staff ending up feeling suicidal due to bullying?
if you believe the civil servant... nothing has yet been proved.
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If the mortality rate is 2% - 4% (choose your favourite) then with about 100 regular posters here on PB, we can expect 2 - 4 to pop their clogs.
Perhaps you could pontificate for us?
Not sure where to start with that one!
The final scene in the first episode had me reaching for a cigarette.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/02/29/1918-flu-coronavirus-trump/
For example, in Philadelphia, local officials were planning the largest parade in the city’s history. Just before the scheduled event, about 300 returning soldiers started spreading the virus in the city.
“And basically every doctor, they were telling reporters the parade shouldn’t happen. The reporters were writing the stories; editors were killing them,” he said. “The Philadelphia papers wouldn’t print anything about it.”
The parade was held and, 48 hours later, Spanish flu slammed the city. Even once schools were closed and public gatherings were banned, city officials claimed it wasn’t a public health measure and there was no cause for alarm, Barry said.
Philadelphia became one of the hardest hit areas of the country. The dead lay in their beds and on the streets for days; eventually, they were buried in mass graves....
Shakes head in disbelief.
The company believe a collection of stolen data from another organisation have been utilised in order to try to gain access to up to 620,000 Clubcard accounts.
Those impacted by the matter were sent an email by Tesco to make them aware of the issue.
Additionally, Tesco has cancelled all affected vouchers.
Tesco maintains that no financial information was accessed and that their platform was not hacked and that their decision was taken as a precaution.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-02/tesco-to-issue-600-000-new-clubcards-over-security-issue/
https://twitter.com/jhallwood/status/1234406114130788354
And the increased vulnerability of men is also reasonably clear
SEX
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases
Male
4.7%
2.8%
Female
2.8%
1.7%
And, according to posts on here we have a pretty high percentage with complicating conditions.
You also need to remember that because this disease will disproportionately affect those who are old and not working, it will improve the dependency ratio. Which is good for longer-term economic growth.
Worth looking at the immediate aftermath of the Spanish flu: the world economy bounced back pretty quickly.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/what-are-super-spreaders-and-how-are-they-transmitting-coronavirus
In which case PB’ers simply need to identify whether we have a superspreader among our number...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
And while starfleet always had corrupt admirals and the Federation not so much of a utopia as it seemed, the Federation of Picard hardly seems worth defending as a good society even.
Which is probably part of the point, I suppose, but it's not making me jump up and down in excitement.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1234540874891132930
A former aide to Priti Patel received a £25,000 payout from the government after claiming she was bullied by the then employment minister.
Legal correspondence seen by the BBC alleges the woman took an overdose of prescription medicine following the alleged incident in 2015.
The DWP did not admit liability and the case did not come before a tribunal.
The state of the main opposition party does matter. Our democracy has been degraded as a result of having such a poor opposition. Let us hope that this changes soon.
2036 infected since the beginning of the outbreak
149 healed
52 dead
166 in intensive care
742 in hospital
927 isolated at home
Regional breakdown
1.077 cases in Lombardia
324 in Emilia Romagna
271 in Veneto
51 in Piemonte
34 Marche
18 in Liguria
17 in Campania
12 in Toscana
9 in Friuli Venezia Giulia
5 Sicilia
4 Lazio
5 Abruzzo
4 Puglia
2 Umbria
1 Bolzano
1 Calabria
Her price in the 60s for the nomination and 130s for the presidency looks value to me, not least because she could reap a bigger chunk of delegates than him and then her price will come in.
If Sanders falls victim to the actuarial then she’s the natural successor.
How long before we see football matches in empty stadia - well, it's not like it hasn't happened before.
Was the TV series any good?
North Carolina
Virginia
Alabama
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Tennessee
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.169314166
They should have moved mountains when the first 737-Max crash occurred.
They didn’t, and dragged their feet together with the FAA (who were rather weak), so are now reaping the whirlwind.
Contamination suspected at a US test lab, whatever that means
If an unaccountable mandarin can take down an elected politician then that cannot be right without exceptional circumstances
We shall see but I do not expect labour to regain votes in the red wall seats on this
As a patriot, I am doing all I can to ensure the country gets the Opposition it so desperately needs. A large part of the Cummings/Johnson strategy is predicated on there not being a competent shadow front bench. It has made sense up to now. Hopefully, that will change in a few weeks.