Discussing the potus election without referencing this bug is like talking about the 2019 Uk election without referencing Brexit. But infinitely more depressing
Except even on a 2% death rate, who is elected POTUS and the most powerful man in the world will have a bigger impact on most of the remaining 98% of us than coronavirus, especially as it will probably largely have died out by late Spring and most of those who die will tend to be older and nearer death anyway.
Plus more people will be affected longer term in the UK by Brexit and its consequences than coronavirus
This is a moronic statement. Sorry.
No. It is a factual statement.
Even ordinary flu has a 0.1% death rate
This is likely TWENTY times more fatal. Plus, this virus hospitalizes 10-20% of its victims, even if they survive. Ordinary flu hospitalizes 1%. So this will just collapse health systems worldwide, if it goes global.
On top of that, the resolved case fatality rate is actually 8%. At the moment. Nearly one in ten.
It’s at the far end of worst case scenario and it means 2.5m dead in the UK
I do not expect it to happen. But the fact we are even discussing it shows the severity of the situation, which you entirely underplay
No one's discussing it. You're talking shit and everyone's laughing at you
Eadric is a thriller writer not a virologist and it shows in his discussion of this topic
Discussing the potus election without referencing this bug is like talking about the 2019 Uk election without referencing Brexit. But infinitely more depressing
Except even on a 2% death rate, who is elected POTUS and the most powerful man in the world will have a bigger impact on most of the remaining 98% of us than coronavirus, especially as it will probably largely have died out by late Spring and most of those who die will tend to be older and nearer death anyway.
Plus more people will be affected longer term in the UK by Brexit and its consequences than coronavirus
This is a moronic statement. Sorry.
No. It is a factual statement.
Even ordinary flu has a 0.1% death rate
This is likely TWENTY times more fatal. Plus, this virus hospitalizes 10-20% of its victims, even if they survive. Ordinary flu hospitalizes 1%. So this will just collapse health systems worldwide, if it goes global.
On top of that, the resolved case fatality rate is actually 8%. At the moment. Nearly one in ten.
It’s at the far end of worst case scenario and it means 2.5m dead in the UK
I do not expect it to happen. But the fact we are even discussing it shows the severity of the situation, which you entirely underplay
500,000 people die every year in the UK coronavirus or not and even on the worst case scenario you present again 92% will survive.
Putting people with CV in hospitals is of little use anyway unless they are fully quarantined, otherwise keep them at home
Call me Peter Pessimistic-pants, but I think 2.5m dead in the UK in one year would be a bit more newsworthy even than Brexit.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
'The sample size above is extremely limited, but this discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency. Unreported cases would have the effect of decreasing the denominator and inflating the CFR above its real value.'
Discussing the potus election without referencing this bug is like talking about the 2019 Uk election without referencing Brexit. But infinitely more depressing
Except even on a 2% death rate, who is elected POTUS and the most powerful man in the world will have a bigger impact on most of the remaining 98% of us than coronavirus, especially as it will probably largely have died out by late Spring and most of those who die will tend to be older and nearer death anyway.
Plus more people will be affected longer term in the UK by Brexit and its consequences than coronavirus
This is a moronic statement. Sorry.
No. It is a factual statement.
Even ordinary flu has a 0.1% death rate
This is likely TWENTY times more fatal. Plus, this virus hospitalizes 10-20% of its victims, even if they survive. Ordinary flu hospitalizes 1%. So this will just collapse health systems worldwide, if it goes global.
On top of that, the resolved case fatality rate is actually 8%. At the moment. Nearly one in ten.
It’s at the far end of worst case scenario and it means 2.5m dead in the UK
I do not expect it to happen. But the fact we are even discussing it shows the severity of the situation, which you entirely underplay
500,000 people die every year in the UK coronavirus or not and even on the worst case scenario you present again 92% will survive.
Putting people with CV in hospitals is of little use anyway unless they are fully quarantined, otherwise keep them at home
Call me Peter Pessimistic-pants, but I think 2.5m dead in the UK in one year would be a bit more newsworthy even than Brexit.
For a few months, for the remaining 63 million of us in the UK Brexit and its impact will be going on for years
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
The problem is the mass panic that even a 2-4% death rate sends us in.
Nobody goes out. Nobody spends money. The economy is f*cked. It will make 2008 look like a blip.
This is a once in a lifetime black swan and while I don't think it will kill a lot of people, I think it has the potential to f*ck over the entire economy. Globally.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
The Korea example shows you what happens when cases are not identified early and then insufficient steps taken to control the spread once they are. I was under the impression that most of these new numbers are still the cult members, they’ll take a while to feed through.
Yes, they are still mainly cult members. But it’s a big cult.
This is a frightening leap in the Korean data. No point denying it
I take the opposite view that it's really good news that the numbers in Korea are jumping each day. Because of the longish incubation period, this does not mean that the rate of infection has necessarily increased in those last few days, it means the rate of detection has. I have every confidence in the Korean government's ability to control this from here and the numbers that currently look scarily exponential will tail off soon.
Conversely as I said, I am a bit more concerned by the complacent attitude in much of Europe and the US. I can only imagine that the front page headlines (that could have been written by an airport thriller writer) are a deliberate attempt to shock the UK population out of this complacency, so they recognise that for a couple of months at least, it's likely their day to day routine will be somewhat different from before. Not drastically so, but be prepared to self isolate if you get sick, have your temperature read every time you enter a commercial premises and those in services industries, more work-from-home.
To be honest having lived out in Asia, so much of this is seen as common sense in normal times: don't send your kid to school when sick and don't play the martyr yourself, coughing and spluttering in the office and public transport. People in the UK need to be educated that going to work while you're sick doesn't mark you out as a hard worker, dedicated and stoic. It makes you a selfish prick.
Do these things (and provide additional ICU beds) and the death rate in 2020 in the UK may well prove little different to 2019, regardless of what the BOLD LETTER CUMULATIVE COVID DEATH TALLY says, because there may well be a corresponding tail off in other infectious diseases.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery. You can 9rder Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
The problem is the mass panic that even a 2-4% death rate sends us in.
Nobody goes out. Nobody spends money. The economy is f*cked. It will make 2008 look like a blip.
This is a once in a lifetime black swan and while I don't think it will kill a lot of people, I think it has the potential to f*ck over the entire economy. Globally.
You can order online now, the high street was hardly thriving even before coronavirus
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
'The sample size above is extremely limited, but this discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency. Unreported cases would have the effect of decreasing the denominator and inflating the CFR above its real value.'
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
So there is no need for anyone in the UK to panic?
“No there is absolutely no need to panic. From the UK point of view, and the Scottish point of view, the health departments are fully ready to respond, not just to what is happening now, but what might happen if there was a small outbreak. If the virus got in under the radar and caused an outbreak, which then came to light, a bit like the Italian situation, if that happened here I think we would be in a reasonable position to cope with that, so long as the number of cases was small. If it got bigger than that, well we would then be hoping for the vaccine. But it’s too early to tell.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
'The sample size above is extremely limited, but this discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency. Unreported cases would have the effect of decreasing the denominator and inflating the CFR above its real value.'
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Given than the mortality rate for the very sickest patients admitted to ICUs is around 15%, your upper bound is not just vanishingly unlikely, but ridiculous.
But the linked story makes it clear the protesters: are "not employed by" the Sanders campaign; were protesting outside party big cheeses' homes; had left by the time the police arrived; were condemned by the Sanders campaign. It is all a bit "small earthquake in Chile".
I guess Labour is really happy with upper middle class white men leading the party then.
Charles you are upper middle class. Keir Starmer isn't.
You’re right. QC MP PC xDPP makes him upper class
Being upper class is determined by birthrate, you can work your way up to the upper middle class as Starmer has but you can never truly be upper class unless born into it
It is bollox for saddos that feel inferior and have to pretend they are something.
I have no problem with being investigated - as long as I know it’s happening! I am confident I can make my case, but I need the chance to.
Yes, fair enough. But we'll have to hope the new leadership speeds up the process. Surrey SW had 3 members who endorsed a National Health candidate in 2017. They were expelled for opposing the Labour candidate, and it's hard to qrgue with that as the rules are clear. However, they are all good Labour supporters who made a mistake in pursuing tactical voting where it clearly would'nt work (the NHA candidate didn't come close to winning). It has taken 3 years so far to have their appeals examined. Only one of them is still trying, and appears about to get readmitted.
Of course, if they do it too quickly you get bad decisions - anti-semites and loonies readmitted or not expelled, etc. In a way I quite like the idea of farming it out to an independent body, and let them wrestle with it.
Anyway, if you can get your CLP chair to support your application, that might help (though it has had noi perceptible effect in our case).
Why would you want to expend any effort to join a bunch of total losers. They should be begging/paying to get people to join their rotten party.
On topic, having not long woken up and not having looked at PB last night, I'm somewhat surprised at Nandy being 3rd. Seems to have a lot more about her than Long-Bailey, but given the respective ages I reckon her time will come. And yes, I've been following what's been happening, but thought that L-B wasn't doing as well as expected, and Nandy a lot better.
It’s remarkable why this rule is so hard for some motorists to understand.
Who cares? There are more important things in life, yet this seems to wind up the leather glove brigade.
It's a sign that the driver responsible isn't paying enough attention to be safe enough on the road and it's so easy to get right, quite apart from the inherent rudeness of it.
Meh. Much of the time on the M6 changing lanes is a largely pointless exercise.
If the left lane is occupied you're not hogging the middle lane. If it isn't you should be in it.
If you are travelling in the middle lane at the speed limit no-one should be overtaking you and certainly not breaking the law by undertaking you!
Sometimes safety trumps spreed limits unless you're collecting fines (?)
It's safer not to switch lanes if you don't have to.
sitting in the middle lane is not a good thing to do and any fanny doing it at any speed whilst not overtaking should be taken aside , soundly thrashed , have their licence removed and forced to use public transport for a year.
Is "hospital pass" a policy suggestion? Appointing the Vice President solves Trump's immediate political crisis by moving the story on from his cuts to the CDC or other agencies, and showing his administration is SERIOUS. In unrelated and very old news, Pence was one of those Republicans who opposed the Bush administration's responses to the global financial crisis.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
You need to lie down in a darkened room for a very long time.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
'The sample size above is extremely limited, but this discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency. Unreported cases would have the effect of decreasing the denominator and inflating the CFR above its real value.'
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
'The sample size above is extremely limited, but this discrepancy in mortality rates, if confirmed as the sample grows in size, could be explained with a higher case detection rate outside of China especially with respect to Wuhan, where priority had to be initially placed on severe and critical cases, given the ongoing emergency. Unreported cases would have the effect of decreasing the denominator and inflating the CFR above its real value.'
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
He bumped into Jeremy Hunt leaving the WHO headquarters. Hunt said,
'Europe and Britain should be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And that could mean "draconian" measures and many deaths, even though the NHS is "one of the best prepared health services in the world."'
He bumped into Jeremy Hunt leaving the WHO headquarters. Hunt said,
'Europe and Britain should be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And that could mean "draconian" measures and many deaths, even though the NHS is "one of the best prepared health services in the world."'
It’s a statement of the bleeding obvious. It’s not a prediction if the worst case, however much you clearly want it to be.
This site seems to be suffering from a virulent strain of death porn.
The Korea example shows you what happens when cases are not identified early and then insufficient steps taken to control the spread once they are. I was under the impression that most of these new numbers are still the cult members, they’ll take a while to feed through.
Yes, they are still mainly cult members. But it’s a big cult.
This is a frightening leap in the Korean data. No point denying it
I take the opposite view that it's really good news that the numbers in Korea are jumping each day. Because of the longish incubation period, this does not mean that the rate of infection has necessarily increased in those last few days, it means the rate of detection has. I have every confidence in the Korean government's ability to control this from here and the numbers that currently look scarily exponential will tail off soon.
Conversely as I said, I am a bit more concerned by the complacent attitude in much of Europe and the US. I can only imagine that the front page headlines (that could have been written by an airport thriller writer) are a deliberate attempt to shock the UK population out of this complacency, so they recognise that for a couple of months at least, it's likely their day to day routine will be somewhat different from before. Not drastically so, but be prepared to self isolate if you get sick, have your temperature read every time you enter a commercial premises and those in services industries, more work-from-home.
To be honest having lived out in Asia, so much of this is seen as common sense in normal times: don't send your kid to school when sick and don't play the martyr yourself, coughing and spluttering in the office and public transport. People in the UK need to be educated that going to work while you're sick doesn't mark you out as a hard worker, dedicated and stoic. It makes you a selfish prick.
Do these things (and provide additional ICU beds) and the death rate in 2020 in the UK may well prove little different to 2019, regardless of what the BOLD LETTER CUMULATIVE COVID DEATH TALLY says, because there may well be a corresponding tail off in other infectious diseases.
Completely agree about SK. The strong impression I am getting is that they are getting on top of this and using a variety of methods, including the internet to track down the cases that existed in their community. If that is right their numbers will start to fall swiftly once existing infections are traced and isolated. In contrast it is clear that Iran is nowhere near getting a grip.
He bumped into Jeremy Hunt leaving the WHO headquarters. Hunt said,
'Europe and Britain should be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And that could mean "draconian" measures and many deaths, even though the NHS is "one of the best prepared health services in the world."'
It’s a statement of the bleeding obvious. It’s not a prediction if the worst case, however much you clearly want it to be.
This site seems to be suffering from a virulent strain of death porn.
That's a distinctly irascible comment. What do you mean I 'want it to be'? A bizarre and unpleasant remark. Of course I don't want it to be.
I remember during the first wave of AIDS in Africa a famous Congolese singer said that SIDA (the French acronym) was a myth which stood for 'Syndrome Imaginaire pour Decouragez les Amoreux.'
So there is no need for anyone in the UK to panic?
“No there is absolutely no need to panic. From the UK point of view, and the Scottish point of view, the health departments are fully ready to respond, not just to what is happening now, but what might happen if there was a small outbreak. If the virus got in under the radar and caused an outbreak, which then came to light, a bit like the Italian situation, if that happened here I think we would be in a reasonable position to cope with that, so long as the number of cases was small. If it got bigger than that, well we would then be hoping for the vaccine. But it’s too early to tell.
The key word there is "small". We could cope with something up to what Italy has got right now (which may be just as well as playing that rugby match in Rome is looking less and less wise). A SK situation would be beyond what the NHS could cope with and the risk is the mortality rate would then start to climb.
God, I bloody love Osea island. The silence and darkness is intense. 90 minutes from London.
And the bird life is insistent. When you drive along the Roman causeway at dusk, the white birds flee the car lights, like tiny frightened ghosts. And then the shadows thicken.
OOOOOOhhhhyeah
You hired the whole thing?
In late February I appear to be the only guest here. I am certainly the only person in the nine bedroom “Captain’s House”. There must be other people on the island (a few workers live here full time) but they are invisible.
It is a deliciously eerie feeling.
A bloody good place to ride out COVID-19. Shoot any potentially snotty bastard that ventures on the causeway....
I've done a bit of work around the psychology of trauma. It's really interesting to observe how people react. Did you know, for example, that the mainstream reaction during a boat collision is for passengers to return below decks to their cabins?
The 'this can't really be happening so it isn't' reaction is commonplace. Hypo-arousal to give it its technical name.
He bumped into Jeremy Hunt leaving the WHO headquarters. Hunt said,
'Europe and Britain should be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And that could mean "draconian" measures and many deaths, even though the NHS is "one of the best prepared health services in the world."'
It’s a statement of the bleeding obvious. It’s not a prediction if the worst case, however much you clearly want it to be.
This site seems to be suffering from a virulent strain of death porn.
IIRC we prepared for the worst case when Swine Flu hit. Just because someone/somewhere is prepared for worst case doesn't mean it will happen, but if preparations are NOT made then the resulting chaos, if the worst does happen, is greater. Strikes me the US might get very badly hit if Trump isn't taking it seriously.
God, I bloody love Osea island. The silence and darkness is intense. 90 minutes from London.
And the bird life is insistent. When you drive along the Roman causeway at dusk, the white birds flee the car lights, like tiny frightened ghosts. And then the shadows thicken.
OOOOOOhhhhyeah
You hired the whole thing?
In late February I appear to be the only guest here. I am certainly the only person in the nine bedroom “Captain’s House”. There must be other people on the island (a few workers live here full time) but they are invisible.
It is a deliciously eerie feeling.
A bloody good place to ride out COVID-19. Shoot any potentially snotty bastard that ventures on the causeway....
I've done a bit of work around the psychology of trauma. It's really interesting to observe how people react. Did you know, for example, that the mainstream reaction during a boat collision is for passengers to return below decks to their cabins?
The 'this can't really be happening so it isn't' reaction is commonplace. Hypo-arousal to give it its technical name.
The Korea example shows you what happens when cases are not identified early and then insufficient steps taken to control the spread once they are. I was under the impression that most of these new numbers are still the cult members, they’ll take a while to feed through.
Yes, they are still mainly cult members. But it’s a big cult.
This is a frightening leap in the Korean data. No point denying it
I take the opposite view that it's really good news that the numbers in Korea are jumping each day. Because of the longish incubation period, this does not mean that the rate of infection has necessarily increased in those last few days, it means the rate of detection has. I have every confidence in the Korean government's ability to control this from here and the numbers that currently look scarily exponential will tail off soon.
Conversely as I said, I am a bit more concerned by the complacent attitude in much of Europe and the US. I can only imagine that the front page headlines (that could have been written by an airport thriller writer) are a deliberate attempt to shock the UK population out of this complacency, so they recognise that for a couple of months at least, it's likely their day to day routine will be somewhat different from before. Not drastically so, but be prepared to self isolate if you get sick, have your temperature read every time you enter a commercial premises and those in services industries, more work-from-home.
To be honest having lived out in Asia, so much of this is seen as common sense in normal times: don't send your kid to school when sick and don't play the martyr yourself, coughing and spluttering in the office and public transport. People in the UK need to be educated that going to work while you're sick doesn't mark you out as a hard worker, dedicated and stoic. It makes you a selfish prick.
Do these things (and provide additional ICU beds) and the death rate in 2020 in the UK may well prove little different to 2019, regardless of what the BOLD LETTER CUMULATIVE COVID DEATH TALLY says, because there may well be a corresponding tail off in other infectious diseases.
Completely agree about SK. The strong impression I am getting is that they are getting on top of this and using a variety of methods, including the internet to track down the cases that existed in their community. If that is right their numbers will start to fall swiftly once existing infections are traced and isolated. In contrast it is clear that Iran is nowhere near getting a grip.
SK is doing especially well considering it has to cope with a "Woo hoo! Plague!! Let's go spread...." death cult.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
What an absolute bell end you are , a pompous ill informed halfwitted cretinous stupid thick moronic dullard.
I’ll head to Lindisfarne if it all goes to shit I think.
Trouble is, religious communities might be the last place to be it seems. Looks like they're hotbeds for cross-infection.
And it's cold which might also be a factor.
It does slightly bemuse me that the NHS PHE advice is still all about Malaysia (from where I've just returned) and Thailand which are both hot countries with relatively few cases. Nothing about Germany which has more cases than Malaysia.
Why should the resources be any different to a comp? Just fewer slow kids taking up the teachers time, less peer pressure to fuck about rather than work I’d say.
Why would it be worse to have clever kids learning together with fewer that need constant attention?
This is not a question of resources, it is a question about whether the next 85% (assuming the top 15% go to grammars) perform as well at Secondary Moderns as they do at Comprehensives.
Because we need to know that, to see if we're maximising the outcome for society as a whole.
Imagine for a second that everyone has an educational achievement score of somewhere between 0 and 100. And the average for the top 15% in a Comprehensive system is 70. Now, if you put these 15% in Grammar schools, what does that change to? Is it 71 or 73 or 75?
Now, let's look at the next 85%. Imagine they average 45 in Comprehensive schools. Do they average 40 or 45 or 50 in Secondary Moderns? Unless you know the answers to these questions, they you don't know if Grammars work. All we're doing is dealing in personal opinion.
Why would the score for those in the 85% go down if the clever kids weren’t there?
Because smart kids often help medium kids understand things better. Because smart kids are often better behaved and help pull the classroom culture towards a more positive direction. Because the 85% feel they have been written off and try less hard as a result. Because the best teachers all go to teach in the grammar schools, leaving the worse teachers for everyone else.
The stupid, unruly kids drag the smart kids down. The stupid, unruly kids pull the classroom towards chaos. 15% feel they are being ignored while the teachers are not teaching but excercised in crowd control. The teachers are all meant to be of comparable ability in Comps
The 3 main variables in a child's educational attainment, in order, are
Parents. Peer group. School.
Parents and peer group are a far higher effect than school.
The entire grammar school system is about concentrating parents and peer group for the betterment of the 'on' pupils. But that makes it the parents and peer group of the 'left behind' exponentially worse because of network effects.
Just seen a post from someone currently on a world cruise with Crystal cruises. They have just told passengers that they will be turning away all passengers booked to board at Sydney, all stops between Sydney and Rome (the scheduled end of cruise) are now cancelled, and anyone who had booked to disembark before Rome must get off at Sydney instead.
Obvious why they have done this, but it will leave a lot of disappointed passengers and cost a fair bit in refunds and compensation.
I've done a bit of work around the psychology of trauma. It's really interesting to observe how people react. Did you know, for example, that the mainstream reaction during a boat collision is for passengers to return below decks to their cabins?
The 'this can't really be happening so it isn't' reaction is commonplace. Hypo-arousal to give it its technical name.
Isn't that just to get their valuables?
True. But an amazing number also go down and shut their cabin doors.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
What an absolute bell end you are , a pompous ill informed halfwitted cretinous stupid thick moronic dullard.
Have I logged on to the Newman and Baddiel show by mistake?
I’ll head to Lindisfarne if it all goes to shit I think.
Trouble is, religious communities might be the last place to be it seems. Looks like they're hotbeds for cross-infection.
And it's cold which might also be a factor.
It does slightly bemuse me that the NHS PHE advice is still all about Malaysia (from where I've just returned) and Thailand which are both hot countries with relatively few cases. Nothing about Germany which has more cases than Malaysia.
Racism?
Not racism, I just think they are behind the curve on their advice. I would be intrigued to know how they are handing return flights from Tenerife given that over 100 of the H10 hotel residents who were there at the same time as the Italian source will be back in the UK but left before he was diagnosed. and possibly were stuck in Tenerife airport for 24 hours or more because of the dust storms.
Just seen a post from someone currently on a world cruise with Crystal cruises. They have just told passengers that they will be turning away all passengers booked to board at Sydney, all stops between Sydney and Rome (the scheduled end of cruise) are now cancelled, and anyone who had booked to disembark before Rome must get off at Sydney instead.
Obvious why they have done this, but it will leave a lot of disappointed passengers and cost a fair bit in refunds and compensation.
Of all industries affected by this the cruise industry looks to me the one that's going to be hit hardest for longest. The Diamond Princess will no doubt be renamed but the whole concept has taken a very long term hit.
It feels pretty bad to be talking about opportunities in this, and it's not my kind of thing. I bought a face mask 2 months ago for my Malaysia trip (didn't use in fact) and did wonder about buying a stack of them but couldn't bring myself to do it.
However ...
... this is the first moment when I've thought Trump might blow the November election. His nonchalance and sheer stupidity (nothing new there admittedly) could blow up badly in his face if this virus goes pandemic Stateside.
‘ A completely new culture of doing research.’ Coronavirus outbreak changes how scientists communicate... https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/completely-new-culture-doing-research-coronavirus-outbreak-changes-how-scientists The Wu-han Clan is just one example of how the COVID-19 outbreak is transforming how scientists communicate about fast-moving health crises. A torrent of data is being released daily by preprint servers that didn’t even exist a decade ago, then dissected on platforms such as Slack and Twitter, and in the media, before formal peer review begins. Journal staffers are working overtime to get manuscripts reviewed, edited, and published at record speeds. The venerable New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) posted one COVID-19 paper within 48 hours of submission. Viral genomes posted on a platform named GISAID, more than 200 so far, are analyzed instantaneously by a phalanx of evolutionary biologists who share their phylogenetic trees in preprints and on social media.
“This is a very different experience from any outbreak that I’ve been a part of,” says epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The intense communication has catalyzed an unusual level of collaboration among scientists that, combined with scientific advances, has enabled research to move faster than during any previous outbreak. “An unprecedented amount of knowledge has been generated in 6 weeks,” says Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust....
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
What an absolute bell end you are , a pompous ill informed halfwitted cretinous stupid thick moronic dullard.
It does seem that some people are having end of the world withdrawal symptoms now that Brexit turned out to be the millennium bug.
Greta and the global warmers must be furious that this sniffle has stolen their limelight.
He bumped into Jeremy Hunt leaving the WHO headquarters. Hunt said,
'Europe and Britain should be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And that could mean "draconian" measures and many deaths, even though the NHS is "one of the best prepared health services in the world."'
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
Dude. I said the possible range was 0.5-15%, which, with half the country infected, stretches from nasty but we’ll-be-OK, to absolute doomsday. We just don’t know. And nor do you.
But I wish you a good night and let us hope for better news in the morning.
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
What an absolute bell end you are , a pompous ill informed halfwitted cretinous stupid thick moronic dullard.
It does seem that some people are having end of the world withdrawal symptoms now that Brexit turned out to be the millennium bug.
Greta and the global warmers must be furious that this sniffle has stolen their limelight.
I’ll head to Lindisfarne if it all goes to shit I think.
Trouble is, religious communities might be the last place to be it seems. Looks like they're hotbeds for cross-infection.
And it's cold which might also be a factor.
It does slightly bemuse me that the NHS PHE advice is still all about Malaysia (from where I've just returned) and Thailand which are both hot countries with relatively few cases. Nothing about Germany which has more cases than Malaysia.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
What an absolute bell end you are , a pompous ill informed halfwitted cretinous stupid thick moronic dullard.
It does seem that some people are having end of the world withdrawal symptoms now that Brexit turned out to be the millennium bug.
Greta and the global warmers must be furious that this sniffle has stolen their limelight.
Surprised they have not jumped on bandwagon and said it is caused by global warming
It feels pretty bad to be talking about opportunities in this, and it's not my kind of thing. I bought a face mask 2 months ago for my Malaysia trip (didn't use in fact) and did wonder about buying a stack of them but couldn't bring myself to do it.
However ...
... this is the first moment when I've thought Trump might blow the November election. His nonchalance and sheer stupidity (nothing new there admittedly) could blow up badly in his face if this virus goes pandemic Stateside.
Is it time to sell Trump and pile on a Democrat?
Not for that reason. As reported earlier, Trump has put Pence, the Vice President, in charge of looking serious about viruses, and it would take only a tweet to announce N billion in new funding. That the virus emerged in China, which Trump has been lambasting for decades, won't do any harm and nor will it help the globalist cause. Whether prices are wrong for other reasons is another question.
Why should the resources be any different to a comp? Just fewer slow kids taking up the teachers time, less peer pressure to fuck about rather than work I’d say.
Why would it be worse to have clever kids learning together with fewer that need constant attention?
This is not a question of resources, it is a question about whether the next 85% (assuming the top 15% go to grammars) perform as well at Secondary Moderns as they do at Comprehensives.
Because we need to know that, to see if we're maximising the outcome for society as a whole.
Imagine for a second that everyone has an educational achievement score of somewhere between 0 and 100. And the average for the top 15% in a Comprehensive system is 70. Now, if you put these 15% in Grammar schools, what does that change to? Is it 71 or 73 or 75?
Now, let's look at the next 85%. Imagine they average 45 in Comprehensive schools. Do they average 40 or 45 or 50 in Secondary Moderns? Unless you know the answers to these questions, they you don't know if Grammars work. All we're doing is dealing in personal opinion.
Why would the score for those in the 85% go down if the clever kids weren’t there?
Because smart kids often help medium kids ar schools, leaving the worse teachers for everyone else.
The stupid, unruly kids drag the smart kids down. The stupid, unruly kids pull the classroom towards chaos. 15% feel they are being ignored while the teachers are not teaching but excercised in crowd control. The teachers are all meant to be of comparable ability in Comps
The 3 main variables in a child's educational attainment, in order, are
Parents. Peer group. School.
Parents and peer group are a far higher effect than school.
The entire grammar school system is about concentrating parents and peer group for the betterment of the 'on' pupils. But that makes it the parents and peer group of the 'left behind' exponentially worse because of network effects.
Education is about everyone not the elite.
Does it? Bucks has grammar schools and still comes near top for GCSE results overall.
Fewer grammar schools means fewer Oxbridge and Russell Group places and fewer chances of elite jobs, whether getting a few more pupils D grades rather than E grades in return really makes any difference to their future career however is debatable.
It should be up to parents, have ballots to open new grammar schools as well as close them
Just seen a post from someone currently on a world cruise with Crystal cruises. They have just told passengers that they will be turning away all passengers booked to board at Sydney, all stops between Sydney and Rome (the scheduled end of cruise) are now cancelled, and anyone who had booked to disembark before Rome must get off at Sydney instead.
Obvious why they have done this, but it will leave a lot of disappointed passengers and cost a fair bit in refunds and compensation.
Of all industries affected by this the cruise industry looks to me the one that's going to be hit hardest for longest. The Diamond Princess will no doubt be renamed but the whole concept has taken a very long term hit.
Yes. I did see an online ad for discounted cruises with Princess, just yesterday.
We’ve always said the test of this virus would be what it did in a transparent, advanced country, open with data, that did lots of testing
South Korea is giving us a frightening answer. Our main hope now is that the mortality rate is lower than we expect. Or that Admiral Summertime is steering his navy our way. Time to pray.
Time to pray maybe if it was black death, which had a 40% death rate and even 80% in some villages or even Spanish flu with a 20% death rate. However of those affected by coronavirus 98% will survive. That is no different than the average survival rate for any kind of surgery.
Despite your hysterical overreactions to this slightly more deadly than normal flu outbreak, even Wuhan is starting to get back to normal with patients starting to return home from quarantine
WE DON’T KNOW THE MORTALITY RATE
It could be anything from 0.5% to a terrifying 15%
Even 15% would not be doomsday and in fact lower than the 20% death rate from Spanish flu in the early 20th century, it would have to be around 50%+ to be anywhere near doomsday
Goodnight
Hard to believe the number of snowflakes on here. Maybe if they had less money and had to do a hard days work jsut to survive they would have less time to be panicking about something that might never happen.
You should be banned for such an malicious, ill-informed and plain nasty post. But it's what I've come to expect. What a thoroughly nasty piece of work you are.
What an absolute bell end you are , a pompous ill informed halfwitted cretinous stupid thick moronic dullard.
It does seem that some people are having end of the world withdrawal symptoms now that Brexit turned out to be the millennium bug.
Greta and the global warmers must be furious that this sniffle has stolen their limelight.
Surprised they have not jumped on bandwagon and said it is caused by global warming
The cure for COVID-19 lies in a single tree in a rain forest, about to be bulldozed.
Any stattos out there? What are the chances of catching the Corona virus in the UK compared to dying in a road traffic accident?
One is a level risk and the other is a rising risk, so how can one say?
If everyone stays home to avoid catching COVID-19, not even a level risk.....
Well I am about to drive to Edinburgh to go to a place full of people who think rugby is actually interesting and still talking about how much they enjoyed their Rome trip.
Maybe a Medal would be appropriate? Or a Darwin award. Take your pick.
God, I bloody love Osea island. The silence and darkness is intense. 90 minutes from London.
And the bird life is insistent. When you drive along the Roman causeway at dusk, the white birds flee the car lights, like tiny frightened ghosts. And then the shadows thicken.
God, I bloody love Osea island. The silence and darkness is intense. 90 minutes from London.
And the bird life is insistent. When you drive along the Roman causeway at dusk, the white birds flee the car lights, like tiny frightened ghosts. And then the shadows thicken.
Any stattos out there? What are the chances of catching the Corona virus in the UK compared to dying in a road traffic accident?
Depends how this evolves. If it goes badly then the answer is a lot higher. Chances of being killed in a RTA are around 0.00002%. Chances of dying of coronavirus are about 2% if you contract it. That's if you believe the current figures. There are some particularly worrying aspects e.g. the Japanese woman who has just re-contracted the virus having been cleared.
Denial is a commonplace reaction to crises. One expects that from Malcom McAngry but not the rest of us. It's time to take this very seriously.
Any stattos out there? What are the chances of catching the Corona virus in the UK compared to dying in a road traffic accident?
Depends how this evolves. If it goes badly then the answer is a lot higher. Chances of being killed in a RTA are around 0.00002%. Chances of dying of coronavirus are about 2% if you contract it. That's if you believe the current figures. There are some particularly worrying aspects e.g. the Japanese woman who has just re-contracted the virus having been cleared.
Denial is a commonplace reaction to crises. One expects that from Malcom McAngry but not the rest of us. It's time to take this very seriously.
Comments
Unreported cases would have the effect of decreasing the denominator and inflating the CFR above its real value.'
Nobody goes out. Nobody spends money. The economy is f*cked. It will make 2008 look like a blip.
This is a once in a lifetime black swan and while I don't think it will kill a lot of people, I think it has the potential to f*ck over the entire economy. Globally.
Conversely as I said, I am a bit more concerned by the complacent attitude in much of Europe and the US. I can only imagine that the front page headlines (that could have been written by an airport thriller writer) are a deliberate attempt to shock the UK population out of this complacency, so they recognise that for a couple of months at least, it's likely their day to day routine will be somewhat different from before. Not drastically so, but be prepared to self isolate if you get sick, have your temperature read every time you enter a commercial premises and those in services industries, more work-from-home.
To be honest having lived out in Asia, so much of this is seen as common sense in normal times: don't send your kid to school when sick and don't play the martyr yourself, coughing and spluttering in the office and public transport. People in the UK need to be educated that going to work while you're sick doesn't mark you out as a hard worker, dedicated and stoic. It makes you a selfish prick.
Do these things (and provide additional ICU beds) and the death rate in 2020 in the UK may well prove little different to 2019, regardless of what the BOLD LETTER CUMULATIVE COVID DEATH TALLY says, because there may well be a corresponding tail off in other infectious diseases.
https://abc7.com/health/coronavirus-new-case-confirmed-in-northern-california-origin-unknown/5970072/
A new case of the coronavirus has been detected in Northern California in a resident who has not traveled overseas since the outbreak began.
This suggests the virus could be spreading locally, person-to-person, the CDC said.
Goodnight
https://kumparan.com/kumparannews/cegah-corona-arab-saudi-setop-kedatangan-jemaah-umrah-termasuk-dari-indonesia-1sv3omhc6iK
“No there is absolutely no need to panic. From the UK point of view, and the Scottish point of view, the health departments are fully ready to respond, not just to what is happening now, but what might happen if there was a small outbreak. If the virus got in under the radar and caused an outbreak, which then came to light, a bit like the Italian situation, if that happened here I think we would be in a reasonable position to cope with that, so long as the number of cases was small. If it got bigger than that, well we would then be hoping for the vaccine. But it’s too early to tell.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1160417/coronavirus-professor-hugh-pennington-on-how-its-spreading-how-well-fight-it-and-how-concerned-we-should-be/?utm_source=twitter
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1232853404835295232?s=20
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/bloomberg-slams-trump-coronavirus-response-in-ad-highlighting-911-aftermath.html
https://twitter.com/alxthomp/status/1232847509225078784?s=21
But the linked story makes it clear the protesters: are "not employed by" the Sanders campaign; were protesting outside party big cheeses' homes; had left by the time the police arrived; were condemned by the Sanders campaign. It is all a bit "small earthquake in Chile".
https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1232912791855603712?s=20
And yes, I've been following what's been happening, but thought that L-B wasn't doing as well as expected, and Nandy a lot better.
Is "hospital pass" a policy suggestion? Appointing the Vice President solves Trump's immediate political crisis by moving the story on from his cuts to the CDC or other agencies, and showing his administration is SERIOUS. In unrelated and very old news, Pence was one of those Republicans who opposed the Bush administration's responses to the global financial crisis.
He bumped into Jeremy Hunt leaving the WHO headquarters. Hunt said,
'Europe and Britain should be prepared for the worst-case scenario. And that could mean "draconian" measures and many deaths, even though the NHS is "one of the best prepared health services in the world."'
This site seems to be suffering from a virulent strain of death porn.
I remember during the first wave of AIDS in Africa a famous Congolese singer said that SIDA (the French acronym) was a myth which stood for 'Syndrome Imaginaire pour Decouragez les Amoreux.'
The rest, as they say, is history.
So don't be a berk.
She could be in pole position in a contested.
The 'this can't really be happening so it isn't' reaction is commonplace. Hypo-arousal to give it its technical name.
Strikes me the US might get very badly hit if Trump isn't taking it seriously.
And it's cold which might also be a factor.
It does slightly bemuse me that the NHS PHE advice is still all about Malaysia (from where I've just returned) and Thailand which are both hot countries with relatively few cases. Nothing about Germany which has more cases than Malaysia.
Racism?
Parents.
Peer group.
School.
Parents and peer group are a far higher effect than school.
The entire grammar school system is about concentrating parents and peer group for the betterment of the 'on' pupils. But that makes it the parents and peer group of the 'left behind' exponentially worse because of network effects.
Education is about everyone not the elite.
Obvious why they have done this, but it will leave a lot of disappointed passengers and cost a fair bit in refunds and compensation.
and possibly were stuck in Tenerife airport for 24 hours or more because of the dust storms.
However ...
... this is the first moment when I've thought Trump might blow the November election. His nonchalance and sheer stupidity (nothing new there admittedly) could blow up badly in his face if this virus goes pandemic Stateside.
Is it time to sell Trump and pile on a Democrat?
Although, having thought we had cleverly avoided a slow lingering death....
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/completely-new-culture-doing-research-coronavirus-outbreak-changes-how-scientists
The Wu-han Clan is just one example of how the COVID-19 outbreak is transforming how scientists communicate about fast-moving health crises. A torrent of data is being released daily by preprint servers that didn’t even exist a decade ago, then dissected on platforms such as Slack and Twitter, and in the media, before formal peer review begins. Journal staffers are working overtime to get manuscripts reviewed, edited, and published at record speeds. The venerable New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) posted one COVID-19 paper within 48 hours of submission. Viral genomes posted on a platform named GISAID, more than 200 so far, are analyzed instantaneously by a phalanx of evolutionary biologists who share their phylogenetic trees in preprints and on social media.
“This is a very different experience from any outbreak that I’ve been a part of,” says epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The intense communication has catalyzed an unusual level of collaboration among scientists that, combined with scientific advances, has enabled research to move faster than during any previous outbreak. “An unprecedented amount of knowledge has been generated in 6 weeks,” says Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust....
Greta and the global warmers must be furious that this sniffle has stolen their limelight.
Ironically the sniffle is probably going to make Brexit look like a picnic as Just in Time logistics fall apart...
Fewer grammar schools means fewer Oxbridge and Russell Group places and fewer chances of elite jobs, whether getting a few more pupils D grades rather than E grades in return really makes any difference to their future career however is debatable.
It should be up to parents, have ballots to open new grammar schools as well as close them
Maybe a Medal would be appropriate? Or a Darwin award. Take your pick.
"Under the Civil Contingencies Act, the government can close schools, shut down public transport and stop mass gatherings to protect the public."
"But all the evidence suggests those measures are not particularly effective at stopping the spread of something like coronavirus."
What evidence? The evidence is that it is about the only thing that WORKS.
Oh but this:
"Closing schools, for example, could disrupt exams and force parents to take time off work."
Absolute morons.
Do we think that Rory could mount an "outsider" challenge to Sadiq?
Pillocks.
Dems are walking into a disaster.
Denial is a commonplace reaction to crises. One expects that from Malcom McAngry but not the rest of us. It's time to take this very seriously.
Eadric was right.
Hasn't got a prayer. Even less so since leaving mainstream. London is firmly Sadiq's whatver Paul Staines might chunter to the contrary.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1232853114547572736?s=20