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This is it. We’re at the point of no return, there’s no going back now. We’re had numerous articles, interviews, political shows, polls and retirements. The only stage left now is the official results!
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An astonishing set of late results for Sanders in Iowa. He's now certain to win the popular vote, and has a slight chance of winning the State Delegates Equivalents number. (There are six delegates still to be assigned, and he's only three behind Buttigieg. It's entirely possible that he gets four to Buttigieg's two. And it's theoretically possible that he gets four, Buttigieg gets one, and Warren one.)
What a nail biter!1 -
I was astonished to read a comment in the previous thread which said "One of the greatest, you'll be sadly missed" in reference to Kirk Douglas. No he wasn't, and no he won't. Obvious reasons for both.0
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I can think of many films where he was much missed, say, Paths of Glory where he stood on top of a parapet blowing a whistle and amazingly never got hit.JohnLoony said:I was astonished to read a comment in the previous thread which said "One of the greatest, you'll be sadly missed" in reference to Kirk Douglas. No he wasn't, and no he won't. Obvious reasons for both.
Anyone would think the soldiers were paid to shoot at his supporting cast...0 -
He'll be missed by those who have had him in their dead pool for the past 20 odd years.....JohnLoony said:I was astonished to read a comment in the previous thread which said "One of the greatest, you'll be sadly missed" in reference to Kirk Douglas. No he wasn't, and no he won't. Obvious reasons for both.
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1.4 Bernie; 2.5 Pete on Betfair.rcs1000 said:An astonishing set of late results for Sanders in Iowa. He's now certain to win the popular vote, and has a slight chance of winning the State Delegates Equivalents number. (There are six delegates still to be assigned, and he's only three behind Buttigieg. It's entirely possible that he gets four to Buttigieg's two. And it's theoretically possible that he gets four, Buttigieg gets one, and Warren one.)
What a nail biter!0 -
Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.1
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Pete out to 4 (was a bit of 4.4) and Bernie 1.23. I need to go to work now and half-expect Amy to have won by the time I get there.DecrepiterJohnL said:
1.4 Bernie; 2.5 Pete on Betfair.rcs1000 said:An astonishing set of late results for Sanders in Iowa. He's now certain to win the popular vote, and has a slight chance of winning the State Delegates Equivalents number. (There are six delegates still to be assigned, and he's only three behind Buttigieg. It's entirely possible that he gets four to Buttigieg's two. And it's theoretically possible that he gets four, Buttigieg gets one, and Warren one.)
What a nail biter!0 -
Name-dropping by proxy: many years back my wife was working with Charlton Heston's son, Fraser. They ended up going for dinner with Chuck at one of the well-known Hollywood hangouts.
As they were eatiing their starters, Kirk Douglas came through and was invited to join them. Places were set and, as she reported back to her incredulous mother,
"I've just had dinner sat between Spartacus and Ben Hur...."0 -
The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/12252993397209743360 -
At least it would have been a nail-biter if we were discussing it on Tuesday morning, and not Thursday morning!rcs1000 said:An astonishing set of late results for Sanders in Iowa. He's now certain to win the popular vote, and has a slight chance of winning the State Delegates Equivalents number. (There are six delegates still to be assigned, and he's only three behind Buttigieg. It's entirely possible that he gets four to Buttigieg's two. And it's theoretically possible that he gets four, Buttigieg gets one, and Warren one.)
What a nail biter!
What an absolute clusterf..., the only winners are Mike Bloomberg and Donald Trump.0 -
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
It would be nice to see that "recovered" number start catching up with the "confirmed cases". 28,89 confirmed cases, just 1,219 recovered. Obviously it is going to lag, but for how long gives some idea of the strain it is going to put on health services - and the level of effective care they can offer.0 -
The person who created this article is a legend.1
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Thanks for the analysis, although I’m way too far away to have sufficient understanding to bet on Irish politics. What do you think happens in the scenario where SF get sufficient seats to block any other coalition - do FF and FG somehow work together to shut the Shinners out, or does one of them bite the bullet, so to speak?TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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Only the Democratic Party could make it look like Donald Trump was actually running the USA in an effective manner.
Four More Years.....sigh.1 -
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
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What malcy, no reference to the bollox from Scotland this morning?malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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Is this bigger news than Trump's acquittal on the newtworks?rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
Thanks to GreenMachine for a very interesting election summary.4
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If he’s got any sense, the only words he will say are ‘I resign.’Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
But if he had any sense, he wouldn’t have done what he did.3 -
Arise Lord Ken..... Well played Boris if so. Also pleasantly surprised if Lord spreadsheet too.2
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The story that won’t go away, Iowa Democrats and their crap app.
Now Vice News has got hold of a copy of it, so that researchers (and nosey journalists) can take a look for themselves. Sadly the web server back end is now switched off and the counting is being done manually.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3b3g9/here-is-a-link-to-the-shadow-inc-app-that-blew-up-the-iowa-caucus0 -
FF + Labour + Greens probably works. FF have also committed to start preparations for a unification vote which makes them slightly more nicurious than FG. Realistically we are 2-3 elections away from ending the occupation.Sandpit said:
Thanks for the analysis, although I’m way too far away to have sufficient understanding to bet on Irish politics. What do you think happens in the scenario where SF get sufficient seats to block any other coalition - do FF and FG somehow work together to shut the Shinners out, or does one of them bite the bullet, so to speak?TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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I wonder if Osborne has ever been offered a peerage? If so, does his continued commoner(!) status suggest he plans a comeback at some point?Scrapheap_as_was said:Arise Lord Ken..... Well played Boris if so. Also pleasantly surprised if Lord spreadsheet too.
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Good morning, everyone.
I don't watch much news nowadays, but how much coverage has this been getting? Suspect that Trump's still dominating foreign news.0 -
“Im a-nonce-ing a cut in lollipop tax - but don’t tell your parents”Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?2 -
It’s dominating the BBC to such an extent they don’t have time for anything Irish or Scottish.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
I don't watch much news nowadays, but how much coverage has this been getting? Suspect that Trump's still dominating foreign news.0 -
It’s more likely to suggest that he doesn’t wish to declare his sources of income, which he would have to do as a Lord. See Blair, Anthony.ydoethur said:
I wonder if Osborne has ever been offered a peerage? If so, does his continued commoner(!) status suggest he plans a comeback at some point?Scrapheap_as_was said:Arise Lord Ken..... Well played Boris if so. Also pleasantly surprised if Lord spreadsheet too.
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Laura K on the Beebs website refer to 'lots' of appointments. Including Eurosceptics and Tory donors. Haven't we got enough in the Upper House already?Scrapheap_as_was said:Arise Lord Ken..... Well played Boris if so. Also pleasantly surprised if Lord spreadsheet too.
I've no problem with rewarding people for public service, but keeping them on as legislators, frankly, make the country look somewhat ridiculous.0 -
He can stick it.TGOHF666 said:
“Im a-nonce-ing a cut in lollipop tax - but don’t tell your parents”Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
Pause.
I’ll get my coat.
While I am doing that, let us consider this unfortunately all too prescient HIGNFY clip form about four years ago:
https://youtu.be/Y3kqYyezeTY
Have a good morning.1 -
'oh boy'?Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?1 -
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?2 -
Just saw it , what a tool, off with his head immediately. Unbelievable that someone in that position is so stupid, how do these numpties ever get to these positions.MarqueeMark said:
What malcy, no reference to the bollox from Scotland this morning?malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=200 -
America says "Hold my beer...."OldKingCole said:
I've no problem with rewarding people for public service, but keeping them on as legislators, frankly, make the country look somewhat ridiculous.0 -
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.0 -
Armalite on SF bets.....Sandpit said:
Thanks for the analysis, although I’m way too far away to have sufficient understanding to bet on Irish politics. What do you think happens in the scenario where SF get sufficient seats to block any other coalition - do FF and FG somehow work together to shut the Shinners out, or does one of them bite the bullet, so to speak?TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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The expression on Hislop’s face there, definitely suggested he knew something that he couldn’t say.ydoethur said:
He can stick it.TGOHF666 said:
“Im a-nonce-ing a cut in lollipop tax - but don’t tell your parents”Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
Pause.
I’ll get my coat.
While I am doing that, let us consider this unfortunately all too prescient HIGNFY clip form about four years ago:
ttps://youtu.be/Y3kqYyezeTY
Have a good morning.0 -
Can’t argue with that.TheGreenMachine said:The person who created this article is a legend.
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I'd give him an ounce of credit if he did face up to giving the budget speech, but yeah, he's gone.malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
I imagine the wrist brace manufacturers will be seeing a surge in sales to compete with the face mask guys, particularly among the migrant yoon community.0 -
Buttigieg back to favourite again with BF. He and Sanders were both odds-on a minute ago.0
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Looking at the dynamics of these two and three member seats, it seems at face value to have been an major error of Sinn Fein that they considered themselves so weak that they should not field more than one candidate in any of them, given their current standing in the polls.
Are there any reciprocal deals in place for sharing 2nd preferences with other parties also standing only one candidate?0 -
Part of the problem is that the boy is 16 - so no crime committed? And, after all, doesn't the SNP support votes at 16 etc.?malcolmg said:
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.0 -
Need to up the doseage of bromide in the Holyrood tea cart!malcolmg said:
Just saw it , what a tool, off with his head immediately. Unbelievable that someone in that position is so stupid, how do these numpties ever get to these positions.MarqueeMark said:
What malcy, no reference to the bollox from Scotland this morning?malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
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I'm sure that will make it all OK and go away then (!)tlg86 said:
Part of the problem is that the boy is 16 - so no crime committed? And, after all, doesn't the SNP support votes at 16 etc.?malcolmg said:
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.0 -
It is a level of detail that is indeed impressive! It is embarrassing really how little our political class is interested compared with events in Iowa sports halls.TheGreenMachine said:The person who created this article is a legend.
Why is it that SF are Billy No Mates south of the border, yet in government on the north side?
Is it just the threat to FF and FG of being squeezed out?
What are the constitutional obstacles North and South to a unification poll?
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Well, obviously not. The SNP really need him to resign. If they sack him they'll be asked awkward questions about the age of consent.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm sure that will make it all OK and go away then (!)tlg86 said:
Part of the problem is that the boy is 16 - so no crime committed? And, after all, doesn't the SNP support votes at 16 etc.?malcolmg said:
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.0 -
They sacked children's Minister last year for sending what I would have termed mild texts to a woman , similar age to himself.tlg86 said:
Part of the problem is that the boy is 16 - so no crime committed? And, after all, doesn't the SNP support votes at 16 etc.?malcolmg said:
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.
Hard to see this not being a hundred times worse even if not a crime.0 -
Nothing awkward about age of consent, it is 16. Fact he is 40+ and chasing people nearly a third of his age, especially given his high profile position , is the issue.tlg86 said:
Well, obviously not. The SNP really need him to resign. If they sack him they'll be asked awkward questions about the age of consent.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm sure that will make it all OK and go away then (!)tlg86 said:
Part of the problem is that the boy is 16 - so no crime committed? And, after all, doesn't the SNP support votes at 16 etc.?malcolmg said:
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.1 -
Fair point - the age really shouldn't come into this - although I would argue it is an aggravating factor given the age difference - as it does look like harassment.malcolmg said:
They sacked children's Minister last year for sending what I would have termed mild texts to a woman , similar age to himself.tlg86 said:
Part of the problem is that the boy is 16 - so no crime committed? And, after all, doesn't the SNP support votes at 16 etc.?malcolmg said:
Just amazed they have not announced he is at least suspended already.CarlottaVance said:
Well said.....unlike some other Nats!malcolmg said:
Likely to be his last speech , given the revelations. If even a smidgen of what the SUN says is true he is finished. He should be gone this morning unless he can prove allegations are totally false.Sandpit said:
Budget day in Scotland today I understand.malcolmg said:
@Thegreenmachine, great write up , just pity it is on so early and amid all the bollox from USA, deserves much better attention.TheGreenMachine said:
True, lol.DecrepiterJohnL said:Great header, @GreenMachine. Good luck getting any comments on Ireland while the American fiasco unfolds.
What do you think the Finance Secretary is going to say?
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1225312942125613056?s=20
An unfortunate clique in the upper echelons of SNP at present.
Hard to see this not being a hundred times worse even if not a crime.0 -
At least he fell on his sword or was forced to.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Don’t forget that malc supports Independence not the SNP. I’m sure he appreciates this story to remind himself of that. I think he’s much more comfortable dishing out abuse if all politicians on an equal handed basis!0
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Can anyone explain which bit of the article the headlined “alarm” is supposed to refer to?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output0 -
They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
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The "alarm" at The Guardian is the idea of two full Tory terms......alex_ said:Can anyone explain which bit of the article the headlined “alarm” is supposed to refer to?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output1 -
Apparently I'm the first to point out that the article's been duplicated?
Has anyone who's posted actually read it?1 -
So the solution wll be for Scotland to go independent, then they won't be able to bang on about that anymore and Scotland will instead have to vote on who is good at governing.MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
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How shite does that make the SCons/SLab/SLDs then?MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
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O/T
What does the "7" in the web address of this site mean or indicate?0 -
TBH, thought it was another vanilla malfunction! Mind, it’s worth reading twice.Endillion said:Apparently I'm the first to point out that the article's been duplicated?
Has anyone who's posted actually read it?0 -
Texts...tweets.... It seems that each social media a politician uses drastically reduces their political half-life.
Last man standing will be the one who just writes letters.
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As long as the SNP agree to give up politcs after independence. There should be no political parties, have an independent Scotland ruled by independents.....Philip_Thompson said:
So the solution wll be for Scotland to go independent, then they won't be able to bang on about that anymore and Scotland will instead have to vote on who is good at governing.MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
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It’s just the way the server is configured, albeit slightly unusual to see nowadays.Andy_JS said:O/T
What does the "7" in the web address of this site mean or indicate?
Likely to be a leftover from an old Wordpress load-balancing system, from the days when all the comments were in-house on the Wordpress page and poor Robert the admin had a nightmare keeping it running as the site became more popular.0 -
I wonder about the coincidence in the timing of the Scotland story. Not of the “the press have timed this for maximum embarrassment” variety, but simply the probable heightened level of recognition among the general public that MacKay might have had in the lead up to the Finance statement. Making it more likely that the story would emerge.0
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This is the first section of the article:MarqueeMark said:
The "alarm" at The Guardian is the idea of two full Tory terms......alex_ said:Can anyone explain which bit of the article the headlined “alarm” is supposed to refer to?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output
It would take Boris Johnson two full terms as prime minister to fulfil his pledge to “level up” the British economy, according to one of the UK’s leading economic thinktanks.
If there was genuine levelling up of the economy over a ten year period wouldn't that be a success on just about every metric imaginable?
Who would actually stand against that as a policy, and for what reason?
I would have thought it was pretty obvious that it isn't something that can be done sustainably in a couple of years. Quick fixes have a reputation for quick collapses.0 -
After independence, I would expect Scottish political parties to break up and then reform, probably along the lines of FF and FG.MarqueeMark said:
As long as the SNP agree to give up politcs after independence. There should be no political parties, have an independent Scotland ruled by independents.....Philip_Thompson said:
So the solution wll be for Scotland to go independent, then they won't be able to bang on about that anymore and Scotland will instead have to vote on who is good at governing.MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
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Seriously...... well, sort of..... there's a case for National parties like the SNP to dissolve once their aim. has been achieved.MarqueeMark said:
As long as the SNP agree to give up politcs after independence. There should be no political parties, have an independent Scotland ruled by independents.....Philip_Thompson said:
So the solution wll be for Scotland to go independent, then they won't be able to bang on about that anymore and Scotland will instead have to vote on who is good at governing.MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
It's the bit like the French Resistance; quite a lot were Communists, but by no means all, and there was, IIRC, somewhat of a 'disagreement' between the various wings after the Liberation.0 -
I am enjoying the concept of Alan Dillon being a "former football". Otherwise, I'm struggling to relate or have much context, but it's quite interesting regardless. Even the second time.OldKingCole said:
TBH, thought it was another vanilla malfunction! Mind, it’s worth reading twice.Endillion said:Apparently I'm the first to point out that the article's been duplicated?
Has anyone who's posted actually read it?0 -
Yes, that is correct -- but Sinn Fein had poorish Euro elections in 2019.Wulfrun_Phil said:Looking at the dynamics of these two and three member seats, it seems at face value to have been an major error of Sinn Fein that they considered themselves so weak that they should not field more than one candidate in any of them, given their current standing in the polls.
Are there any reciprocal deals in place for sharing 2nd preferences with other parties also standing only one candidate?
The real question is why did things change so quickly since the 2019 Euros, when Fine Gael were polling nearly double all their competitors.
I have no insights into Irish politics, but it is clear that Leo took a winning position and changed it into a losing one.
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What data? The satellite caucus districts already reporting on nyt show big leads for Bernie.rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.1 -
YTBH (again) that seems to be a major fault with Irish politics; that you vote according to the view your great-grandparents had of Michael Collins and Eamonn de Valera.Foxy said:
After independence, I would expect Scottish political parties to break up and then reform, probably along the lines of FF and FG.MarqueeMark said:
As long as the SNP agree to give up politcs after independence. There should be no political parties, have an independent Scotland ruled by independents.....Philip_Thompson said:
So the solution wll be for Scotland to go independent, then they won't be able to bang on about that anymore and Scotland will instead have to vote on who is good at governing.MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
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But...but...but...it's the TORIES doing it!philiph said:
This is the first section of the article:MarqueeMark said:
The "alarm" at The Guardian is the idea of two full Tory terms......alex_ said:Can anyone explain which bit of the article the headlined “alarm” is supposed to refer to?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output
It would take Boris Johnson two full terms as prime minister to fulfil his pledge to “level up” the British economy, according to one of the UK’s leading economic thinktanks.
If there was genuine levelling up of the economy over a ten year period wouldn't that be a success on just about every metric imaginable?
Who would actually stand against that as a policy, and for what reason?
I would have thought it was pretty obvious that it isn't something that can be done sustainably in a couple of years. Quick fixes have a reputation for quick collapses.
Does. Not. Compute.......
(There were no doubt some heads exploding when Boris pulled Sir David Attenborough out his magician's hat. Wait until he really runs with the green agenda. He's going to turn Extinction Rebellion into the Young Conservatives...)1 -
Lauren Bacall missed nothing - see where she's looking in Young Man with a Horn:ydoethur said:
I can think of many films where he was much missed, say, Paths of Glory where he stood on top of a parapet blowing a whistle and amazingly never got hit.JohnLoony said:I was astonished to read a comment in the previous thread which said "One of the greatest, you'll be sadly missed" in reference to Kirk Douglas. No he wasn't, and no he won't. Obvious reasons for both.
Anyone would think the soldiers were paid to shoot at his supporting cast...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Douglas#/media/File:Douglas_-_Bacall_-_Horn_1950.jpg0 -
The Guardian's alarm is based upon various Guardian principles:philiph said:
This is the first section of the article:MarqueeMark said:
The "alarm" at The Guardian is the idea of two full Tory terms......alex_ said:Can anyone explain which bit of the article the headlined “alarm” is supposed to refer to?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output
It would take Boris Johnson two full terms as prime minister to fulfil his pledge to “level up” the British economy, according to one of the UK’s leading economic thinktanks.
If there was genuine levelling up of the economy over a ten year period wouldn't that be a success on just about every metric imaginable?
Who would actually stand against that as a policy, and for what reason?
I would have thought it was pretty obvious that it isn't something that can be done sustainably in a couple of years. Quick fixes have a reputation for quick collapses.
1) Everything a Tory government does is wrong
2) While we stand for change and progress all actual change and progress is to be opposed
3) We assume our readers are people living mostly miserable and pathetic lives and are looking for someone to blame
4) Inspiring them with hope would be bad for our market position
5) Our motto is 'Maximally benefiting from the misery of others'
6) Our masthead reads 'Your life is rubbish and it is someone else's fault.'
When you read the Guardian in such a light it starts to make sense.
How else do journalists get to send their kids to posh schools and become Masters of Oxford colleges?5 -
Not any more, it seems!OldKingCole said:
YTBH (again) that seems to be a major fault with Irish politics; that you vote according to the view your great-grandparents had of Michael Collins and Eamonn de Valera.Foxy said:
After independence, I would expect Scottish political parties to break up and then reform, probably along the lines of FF and FG.MarqueeMark said:
As long as the SNP agree to give up politcs after independence. There should be no political parties, have an independent Scotland ruled by independents.....Philip_Thompson said:
So the solution wll be for Scotland to go independent, then they won't be able to bang on about that anymore and Scotland will instead have to vote on who is good at governing.MarqueeMark said:They can bang on all the long day about another referendum, but the elephant in the Scottish living room is that the SNP are really shite at governing.
But yes, post Sindy, the SNP will most likely split into a right and left wing faction, and the Unionist parties become much diminished.0 -
An interesting piece on Irish politics, but all the action is on America.
As an outsider, the Democratic party seem to have the problem. First, they put up a supremely incompetent candidate in Hillary whose main selling point is her hubby was President and she has a vagina. She managed to lose to Trump - a man who is barely sentient.
Then they try impeachment to produce a spectacle that they hope will do l politically. American presidents of both stripes have had interesting back-stories and Trump's naked politicking in office hardly compares. Trump' main crime is that he's uncouth, but he generally does what he says he will - barmy though it may be.
All the Democrats can offer is efficiency and that's going well. An Iowa caucus from out of the Bash Street kids, and an impeachment process which failed (as it was bound to do) cost a fortune, and looked the farce it was.
Are they trying to win?0 -
I suspect that Buttgieg may have this, purely based on the logic that the final precinct result to come is more likely to be broadly consistent with the bulk of results rather than be associated with the last particular precinct result (which was so strong for Sanders and may be an outlier).Stereotomy said:
What data? The satellite caucus districts already reporting on nyt show big leads for Bernie.rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
I think the point of the report is that massive infrastructure spending in the regions will have only a very minor effect on growth, but will bust spending plans and cause inflation due to lack of capacity.philiph said:
This is the first section of the article:MarqueeMark said:
The "alarm" at The Guardian is the idea of two full Tory terms......alex_ said:Can anyone explain which bit of the article the headlined “alarm” is supposed to refer to?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/06/economists-warning-boris-johnson-election-pledge-output
It would take Boris Johnson two full terms as prime minister to fulfil his pledge to “level up” the British economy, according to one of the UK’s leading economic thinktanks.
If there was genuine levelling up of the economy over a ten year period wouldn't that be a success on just about every metric imaginable?
Who would actually stand against that as a policy, and for what reason?
I would have thought it was pretty obvious that it isn't something that can be done sustainably in a couple of years. Quick fixes have a reputation for quick collapses.
It does rather have a ring of Gordon Brown's end of boom and bust about it.0 -
Talk about a third choice:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/05/theresa-may-allies-say-has-stature-head-un-climate-change-conference/
FWIW - I think she’d be able to do anything on this but chair it. She doesn’t have the people skills.1 -
Quite glad that I cashed out when well Green on Pete!Stocky said:
I suspect that Buttgieg may have this, purely based on the logic that the final precinct result to come is more likely to be broadly consistent with the bulk of results rather than be associated with the last particular precinct result (which was so strong for Sanders and may be an outlier).Stereotomy said:
What data? The satellite caucus districts already reporting on nyt show big leads for Bernie.rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
Wish I had!Foxy said:
Quite glad that I cashed out when well Green on Pete!Stocky said:
I suspect that Buttgieg may have this, purely based on the logic that the final precinct result to come is more likely to be broadly consistent with the bulk of results rather than be associated with the last particular precinct result (which was so strong for Sanders and may be an outlier).Stereotomy said:
What data? The satellite caucus districts already reporting on nyt show big leads for Bernie.rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
Foxy: I`m looking forward to spending my winnings (ahem) with my daughter in a restaurant in Oakham this evening. Your neck of the woods I think?Foxy said:
Quite glad that I cashed out when well Green on Pete!Stocky said:
I suspect that Buttgieg may have this, purely based on the logic that the final precinct result to come is more likely to be broadly consistent with the bulk of results rather than be associated with the last particular precinct result (which was so strong for Sanders and may be an outlier).Stereotomy said:
What data? The satellite caucus districts already reporting on nyt show big leads for Bernie.rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
So who is going to deliver the Scottish budget today?CarlottaVance said:
Presumably all the papers are already printed, and the next however many days of Parliamentary time set aside to debate it?0 -
There's a fairly excoriating caricature of Douglas in Martin Amis's Money (I believe Amis was involved in a screenplay of some sf schlock or other) which involves Lorne Guyland taking his clothes off to get the pecs out at every opportunity. Tbf I wouldn't always trust Amis as a reliable witness, but his version is funny.Nigelb said:
Lauren Bacall missed nothing - see where she's looking in Young Man with a Horn:ydoethur said:
I can think of many films where he was much missed, say, Paths of Glory where he stood on top of a parapet blowing a whistle and amazingly never got hit.JohnLoony said:I was astonished to read a comment in the previous thread which said "One of the greatest, you'll be sadly missed" in reference to Kirk Douglas. No he wasn't, and no he won't. Obvious reasons for both.
Anyone would think the soldiers were paid to shoot at his supporting cast...
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Casino_Royale said:
Talk about a third choice:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/05/theresa-may-allies-say-has-stature-head-un-climate-change-conference/
FWIW - I think she’d be able to do anything on this but chair it. She doesn’t have the people skills.0 -
Kate Forbes, junior finance minister; big challenge and opportunity.Sandpit said:
So who is going to deliver the Scottish budget today?CarlottaVance said:
Presumably all the papers are already printed, and the next however many days of Parliamentary time set aside to debate it?0 -
The PM should find someone completely unexpected to do it - needs to be well known, but not a recent or current politician. Someone from business, who understands the real world, would be a good idea - in the same vein as Andy Street running for mayor.Casino_Royale said:Talk about a third choice:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/05/theresa-may-allies-say-has-stature-head-un-climate-change-conference/
FWIW - I think she’d be able to do anything on this but chair it. She doesn’t have the people skills.0 -
Good luck to her, in difficult circumstances not of her own making.Theuniondivvie said:
Kate Forbes, junior finance minister; big challenge and opportunity.Sandpit said:
So who is going to deliver the Scottish budget today?CarlottaVance said:
Presumably all the papers are already printed, and the next however many days of Parliamentary time set aside to debate it?0 -
There were two kinds of satellites - the ones in warm southern states (rich, pro-Kabouchar/Buttigieg) and the ones for shift workers in Iowa (poor, pro-Sanders). Quite possible that the latter were bigger but I don't know.Stereotomy said:
What data? The satellite caucus districts already reporting on nyt show big leads for Bernie.rcs1000 said:
Intriguingly, all the data from the satellite caucuses (i.e. old people in Florida and Arizona) was that they were unfriendly to Sanders. It therefore surprises me that people assume Sanders will gain from their inclusion and nab Iowa.Andy_JS said:The Iowa caucus is still causing all sorts of problems.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225286636302471170
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225299339720974336
A better opportunity for him, one would think, would be if there had been errors in reporting, such as we saw earlier today where Sanders votes had been attributed to Street.0 -
But also they need to be kept on message. Greenism is a fundamentalist ideology, which will hinder any kind of positive movement as betrayal if it isn’t exactly what they want. You need someone who won’t drink the koolaide.Sandpit said:
The PM should find someone completely unexpected to do it - needs to be well known, but not a recent or current politician. Someone from business, who understands the real world, would be a good idea - in the same vein as Andy Street running for mayor.Casino_Royale said:Talk about a third choice:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/05/theresa-may-allies-say-has-stature-head-un-climate-change-conference/
FWIW - I think she’d be able to do anything on this but chair it. She doesn’t have the people skills.0 -
Great threader by Green Machine.
SF have not got enough candidates to take advantage of their surge I suspect.0 -
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If you are a minority administration and you’ve only started negations with other members to pass your budget on budget day, you are better off without him.Sandpit said:
So who is going to deliver the Scottish budget today?CarlottaVance said:
Presumably all the papers are already printed, and the next however many days of Parliamentary time set aside to debate it?1 -
I always thought - on no particular evidence - that LG was Clint Eastwood.Theuniondivvie said:
There's a fairly excoriating caricature of Douglas in Martin Amis's Money (I believe Amis was involved in a screenplay of some sf schlock or other) which involves Lorne Guyland taking his clothes off to get the pecs out at every opportunity. Tbf I wouldn't always trust Amis as a reliable witness, but his version is funny.Nigelb said:
Lauren Bacall missed nothing - see where she's looking in Young Man with a Horn:ydoethur said:
I can think of many films where he was much missed, say, Paths of Glory where he stood on top of a parapet blowing a whistle and amazingly never got hit.JohnLoony said:I was astonished to read a comment in the previous thread which said "One of the greatest, you'll be sadly missed" in reference to Kirk Douglas. No he wasn't, and no he won't. Obvious reasons for both.
Anyone would think the soldiers were paid to shoot at his supporting cast...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Douglas#/media/File:Douglas_-_Bacall_-_Horn_1950.jpg0
