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I would have gone for ‘single billionaire’ in a heartbeat.rottenborough said:
Did they poll Macbeth?HYUFD said:
After all, it’s most unlikely I would be single for long.0 -
Nice landscapes. Boring country. Miles of nothing and the pubs and restaurants are beyond awful in most towns, even if they exist at all.Luckyguy1983 said:
New Zealand is a wonderful pristine place that unsurprisingly produces wonderfully healthy (in every sense) livestock and food. I don't really see your point to be honest.malcolmg said:
Yes shipping goods 11,000 miles will be a great way to improve our trade , we really need those sheep and apples.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.SouthamObserver said:Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.
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It’s the shipping 11k miles. Unless we’re going to go back to the days of the Cutty Sark.Luckyguy1983 said:
New Zealand is a wonderful pristine place that unsurprisingly produces wonderfully healthy (in every sense) livestock and food. I don't really see your point to be honest.malcolmg said:
Yes shipping goods 11,000 miles will be a great way to improve our trade , we really need those sheep and apples.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.SouthamObserver said:Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.
That’s the ship, not what Burns meant!0 -
Something about the right pronouns to use for transgender people should be enough, I would have thought.Cyclefree said:
What test would you require them to pass, as a matter of interest?AlastairMeeks said:
I'm all in favour of that. MPs are very keen to impose minimum standards on others but remarkably reluctant to consider any for themselves.squareroot2 said:
err... what qualifications do you need to be an MP.. perhaps they SHOULD have to pass an exam.....AlastairMeeks said:To pick up on a point @tlg86 made earlier on, Natalie Elphicke is at least as qualified as her husband to be an MP.
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Yup.ydoethur said:
I would have gone for ‘single billionaire’ in a heartbeat.rottenborough said:
Did they poll Macbeth?HYUFD said:
After all, it’s most unlikely I would be single for long.
Tell me Debbie, what was that attracted you to the millionaire......2 -
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Goldman Sachs earns about $6bn after tax. They are the biggest and most profitable part of Wall Street.HYUFD said:
It's a lot of money.
But you'd need to take every penny of that profit for about 150 years to get anywhere near the current level of student debt. And that's just the *current* level of debt. The sum total of student debt in America probably grows by more than the profits of the investment banks every year.1 -
I think getting the most votes is probably a decent idea.rcs1000 said:
Something about the right pronouns to use for transgender people should be enough, I would have thought.Cyclefree said:
What test would you require them to pass, as a matter of interest?AlastairMeeks said:
I'm all in favour of that. MPs are very keen to impose minimum standards on others but remarkably reluctant to consider any for themselves.squareroot2 said:
err... what qualifications do you need to be an MP.. perhaps they SHOULD have to pass an exam.....AlastairMeeks said:To pick up on a point @tlg86 made earlier on, Natalie Elphicke is at least as qualified as her husband to be an MP.
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It’s not as though the Donald is a details guy, either.....rcs1000 said:
Goldman Sachs earns about $6bn after tax. They are the biggest and most profitable part of Wall Street.HYUFD said:
It's a lot of money.
But you'd need to take every penny of that profit for about 150 years to get anywhere near the current level of student debt. And that's just the *current* level of debt. The sum total of student debt in America probably grows by more than the profits of the investment banks every year.
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Though imagine living with someone who married you for money...ydoethur said:
I would have gone for ‘single billionaire’ in a heartbeat.rottenborough said:
Did they poll Macbeth?HYUFD said:
After all, it’s most unlikely I would be single for long.0 -
Melania... Melania... are you there?Nigelb said:
Though imagine living with someone who married you for money...ydoethur said:
I would have gone for ‘single billionaire’ in a heartbeat.rottenborough said:
Did they poll Macbeth?HYUFD said:
After all, it’s most unlikely I would be single for long.2 -
Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.0 -
At the right (enormous) price, I am available .......Nigelb said:
If the Tories had you for sartorial advice, they would be truly dangerous...Cyclefree said:
She is pretty certainly.Richard_Nabavi said:
She's certainly more agreeable to watch than most!rottenborough said:
Yep. She was highlighted by a Daily Mail piece the other day. One to watch.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, here's another one to watch.
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1217834337355345930
But that trouser suit is just awful.
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I am assuming there would be a fairly wide choice.Nigelb said:
Though imagine living with someone who married you for money...ydoethur said:
I would have gone for ‘single billionaire’ in a heartbeat.rottenborough said:
Did they poll Macbeth?HYUFD said:
After all, it’s most unlikely I would be single for long.0 -
Please, please UNITE - stick to your guns. Refuse to pay a cent. It would be absolutely brilliant if Walker and McCluskey both got twelve months for contempt.dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.
And then they will have to pay up anyway.0 -
Glad I’m not a member of Unite anymore. Wouldn’t want my sub thrown away on lawyers fees. Especially when it’s due to being damn silly!dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.0 -
It’ll be put in the hands of bailiffs. Lots of fun, undoubtedly. But most unlikely to lead to a spell in chokey.ydoethur said:
Please, please UNITE - stick to your guns. Refuse to pay a cent. It would be absolutely brilliant if Walker and McCluskey both got twelve months for contempt.dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.
And then they will have to pay up anyway.
Sadly.0 -
He/she.rcs1000 said:
Something about the right pronouns to use for transgender people should be enough, I would have thought.Cyclefree said:
What test would you require them to pass, as a matter of interest?AlastairMeeks said:
I'm all in favour of that. MPs are very keen to impose minimum standards on others but remarkably reluctant to consider any for themselves.squareroot2 said:
err... what qualifications do you need to be an MP.. perhaps they SHOULD have to pass an exam.....AlastairMeeks said:To pick up on a point @tlg86 made earlier on, Natalie Elphicke is at least as qualified as her husband to be an MP.
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SERA has been around for more than 40 years and used to have an office in Poland Street in the same building as Friends of the Earth. The fact you haven't heard of them just shows how polite they are, compared to XR.IshmaelZ said:
Not a great acronym for an activist group, it hints at a kind of acceptant fatalism.Richard_Nabavi said:What on earth is the Socialist Environment and Resources Association? Do they have vicious feuds with other Environment and Resources Associations?
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Where does it say they can vote in General elections?Anabobazina said:
I didn't actually realise that they would be able to vote. Interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I can't believe QAnon is still going, it was funny enough when it first started*, and then it became clear some left-wing trolls were behind it, but it has taken on a life of its own.TheScreamingEagles said:
It took just 4 years for Trump to turn from a Reddit/4chan joke^ into something some of his followers would now die for, and I'm not exaggerating that in the least.
Of course I'm not saying "meme magic" was the only thing responsible for Trump's victory, but it played a bigger part than most people realise.
*It was kind of fun when the person behind it was trying to make out they were in Trump's inner circle by posting "clues".
^ It started it with "isn't it hilarious this idiot is running" to "wouldn't it be hilarious if he makes it to the convention" to "it will be a hoot if he gets the nomination" and then of course he only went and won the bloody thing, probably against his own expectation.0 -
""it will be a hoot if he gets the nomination" ... "I'll die laughing if he starts WW3".glw said:
I can't believe QAnon is still going, it was funny enough when it first started*, and then it became clear some left-wing trolls were behind it, but it has taken on a life of its own.TheScreamingEagles said:
It took just 4 years for Trump to turn from a Reddit/4chan joke^ into something some of his followers would now die for, and I'm not exaggerating that in the least.
Of course I'm not saying "meme magic" was the only thing responsible for Trump's victory, but it played a bigger part than most people realise.
*It was kind of fun when the person behind it was trying to make out they were in Trump's inner circle by posting "clues".
^ It started it with "isn't it hilarious this idiot is running" to "wouldn't it be hilarious if he makes it to the convention" to "it will be a hoot if he gets the nomination" and then of course he only went and won the bloody thing, probably against his own expectation.0 -
I suspect the reason they haven’t paid yet is they have stated they will appeal. But it’s difficult to see what point of law they can build a case on. Once the judge had decided they and Skwawkbox were lying it was a pretty open and shut case.Cyclefree said:
It’ll be put in the hands of bailiffs. Lots of fun, undoubtedly. But most unlikely to lead to a spell in chokey.ydoethur said:
Please, please UNITE - stick to your guns. Refuse to pay a cent. It would be absolutely brilliant if Walker and McCluskey both got twelve months for contempt.dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.
And then they will have to pay up anyway.
Sadly.0 -
Another one to watch may well be Alicia Kearns, who was parachuted into the safe seat of Rutland and Melton, after touting round a number of constituencies in the South of England.
She specialises in electronic information presentation, including for the No campaign in Scotland and for the FCO in Iraq and Syria. I have suggested to her that the Russia Report would be a good place to start.
https://www.gorkana.com/2016/08/fcos-alicia-kearns-joins-global-influence/0 -
They have to naturalised first, except the Maltese and Cypriots who can already vote.felix said:
Where does it say they can vote in General elections?Anabobazina said:
I didn't actually realise that they would be able to vote. Interesting.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Two more to watch are Dehenna Davison of Bishop Auckland:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7685733/Boris-Johnsons-girlfriend-Carrie-Symonds-takes-dog-Dilyn-meet-Dehenna-Davisons-rescue-puppy.html
https://twitter.com/DehennaDavison
and Sara Britcliffe of Hyndburn:
https://twitter.com/sarbritcliffemp?lang=en
Because with Boris you never know
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Look at this photo of RLB:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/16/long-bailey-says-abortion-limit-should-not-be-different-for-disability
and compare with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_(Star_Trek)
This is worthy of investigation.0 -
Long-Bailey can't carry 70% of the Momentum cult. Momentum have been adamant that their membership is around 40,000. 4,995 (12.5%) of them voted to endorse Long-Bailey in what was indeed a push poll. 2,098 [EDIT] voted not to. And around 33,000 members of Momentum chose not to take part in the exercise.Anabobazina said:
If Becky can only carry 70% of Momentumites in a push poll, I would politely suggest she is probably toast.NickPalmer said:Apols if posted, but the Momentum poll is here, with Rayner only just scraping home (because of support for Burgon, I assume):
Question 1 of 2: Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse
Rebecca Long-Bailey as the next leader of the Labour Party?
Results: For: 4,995 (70.42%) Against: 2,098 (29.58%)
Question 2 of 2: Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse
Angela Rayner as the next deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Results: For: 3,684 (52.15%) Against: 3,380 (47.85%)
Note the small total number - nowhere near the claimed membership, but then a number of members (2 out of 3 that I know) didn't get the question sent to them.0 -
Again with thanks to AM and Fishing for their work I wonder if they know how many of the new Conservative MPs were local to their area or outsiders.
One way of comparing would be to see how many were local councillors in areas different to where they now represent.0 -
Also how many of the new Conservative MPs have beards.
Wasn't Jerry Hayes the only Conservative MP who did so in the 1980s ?0 -
"but then a number of members (2 out of 3 that I know) didn't get the question sent to them."Wulfrun_Phil said:
Long-Bailey can't carry 70% of the Momentum cult. Momentum have been adamant that their membership is around 40,000. 4,995 (12.5%) of them voted to endorse Long-Bailey in what was indeed a push poll. 2,098 [EDIT] voted not to. And around 33,000 members of Momentum chose not to take part in the exercise.Anabobazina said:
If Becky can only carry 70% of Momentumites in a push poll, I would politely suggest she is probably toast.NickPalmer said:Apols if posted, but the Momentum poll is here, with Rayner only just scraping home (because of support for Burgon, I assume):
Question 1 of 2: Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse
Rebecca Long-Bailey as the next leader of the Labour Party?
Results: For: 4,995 (70.42%) Against: 2,098 (29.58%)
Question 2 of 2: Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse
Angela Rayner as the next deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Results: For: 3,684 (52.15%) Against: 3,380 (47.85%)
Note the small total number - nowhere near the claimed membership, but then a number of members (2 out of 3 that I know) didn't get the question sent to them.
Erm, is that a major scandal? Why/how did 2/3 of membership not get the email?0 -
I have heard of SERA. Do I get a leader vote?Alphabet_Soup said:
SERA has been around for more than 40 years and used to have an office in Poland Street in the same building as Friends of the Earth. The fact you haven't heard of them just shows how polite they are, compared to XR.IshmaelZ said:
Not a great acronym for an activist group, it hints at a kind of acceptant fatalism.Richard_Nabavi said:What on earth is the Socialist Environment and Resources Association? Do they have vicious feuds with other Environment and Resources Associations?
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Failed to record “to the standard required”... They conveniently lost the records again ?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Sounds like a good opportunity for "Can't pay, we will take it away" TV show.Cyclefree said:
It’ll be put in the hands of bailiffs. Lots of fun, undoubtedly. But most unlikely to lead to a spell in chokey.ydoethur said:
Please, please UNITE - stick to your guns. Refuse to pay a cent. It would be absolutely brilliant if Walker and McCluskey both got twelve months for contempt.dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.
And then they will have to pay up anyway.
Sadly.0 -
They are trying to wear her down into abandoning her efforts. She will not get all her costs back so they are hoping that if they delay, fight, appeal and generally mess her about for as long as possible eventually she will give up.ydoethur said:
I suspect the reason they haven’t paid yet is they have stated they will appeal. But it’s difficult to see what point of law they can build a case on. Once the judge had decided they and Skwawkbox were lying it was a pretty open and shut case.Cyclefree said:
It’ll be put in the hands of bailiffs. Lots of fun, undoubtedly. But most unlikely to lead to a spell in chokey.ydoethur said:
Please, please UNITE - stick to your guns. Refuse to pay a cent. It would be absolutely brilliant if Walker and McCluskey both got twelve months for contempt.dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.
And then they will have to pay up anyway.
Sadly.
Pretty despicable really.0 -
That is surprisingly hard to judge. Candidates make great play of local connections. Those local connections can be tenuous on inspection.another_richard said:Again with thanks to AM and Fishing for their work I wonder if they know how many of the new Conservative MPs were local to their area or outsiders.
One way of comparing would be to see how many were local councillors in areas different to where they now represent.
Campaign statements are not given under oath and candidates of all parties make full use of that on this and other fronts.1 -
As you would expect from Len McCluskey.Cyclefree said:
They are trying to wear her down into abandoning her efforts. She will not get all her costs back so they are hoping that if they delay, fight, appeal and generally mess her about for as long as possible eventually she will give up.ydoethur said:
I suspect the reason they haven’t paid yet is they have stated they will appeal. But it’s difficult to see what point of law they can build a case on. Once the judge had decided they and Skwawkbox were lying it was a pretty open and shut case.Cyclefree said:
It’ll be put in the hands of bailiffs. Lots of fun, undoubtedly. But most unlikely to lead to a spell in chokey.ydoethur said:
Please, please UNITE - stick to your guns. Refuse to pay a cent. It would be absolutely brilliant if Walker and McCluskey both got twelve months for contempt.dr_spyn said:Unite helping out underemployed lawyers.
https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1217885061246332930
It won't end well.
And then they will have to pay up anyway.
Sadly.
Pretty despicable really.0 -
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I don't think we should read too much into that. Plenty of people don't feel a particular to drive to answer an email poll, when they will do to vote for party leader.Wulfrun_Phil said:
Long-Bailey can't carry 70% of the Momentum cult. Momentum have been adamant that their membership is around 40,000. 4,995 (12.5%) of them voted to endorse Long-Bailey in what was indeed a push poll. 2,098 [EDIT] voted not to. And around 33,000 members of Momentum chose not to take part in the exercise.Anabobazina said:
If Becky can only carry 70% of Momentumites in a push poll, I would politely suggest she is probably toast.NickPalmer said:Apols if posted, but the Momentum poll is here, with Rayner only just scraping home (because of support for Burgon, I assume):
Question 1 of 2: Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse
Rebecca Long-Bailey as the next leader of the Labour Party?
Results: For: 4,995 (70.42%) Against: 2,098 (29.58%)
Question 2 of 2: Should Momentum follow the NCG recommendation to endorse
Angela Rayner as the next deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Results: For: 3,684 (52.15%) Against: 3,380 (47.85%)
Note the small total number - nowhere near the claimed membership, but then a number of members (2 out of 3 that I know) didn't get the question sent to them.
Do we know that Labour Party members are that different in belief to Momentum members in the Jeremy Corbyn led party? The idea that they are all moderate social Democrats isn't necessarily correct. I think they will be a bit different but not that much. If 45% of non-Momentum members back her, she will be ok.0 -
The developing row over Long-Bailey's views on abortion has the potential to seriously derail her campaign.another_richard said:
One thing she had going for her was the likelihood of her capturing preference votes ahead of Starmer from Labour feminists for whom the election of a female leader was a key factor trumping many others. However, for the same part of the Labour membership electorate (and many others), a defence of abortion rights is also pretty high up the list.
Remember how Farron's views on abortion did for his leadership? Even when he backtracked and declared that he was now pro-choice and only opposed to abortion being more widely available. And even when, as with Long-Bailey, he declared that this was only a personal view?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/16/tim-farron-says-hes-pro-choice-after-2007-interview-emerges1 -
I think Mrs T viewed beards or stubble in the same light as travelling by bus. Fine for a woman, but for a man a sign of not being quite up to scratch.another_richard said:Also how many of the new Conservative MPs have beards.
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No, but you definitely don't need a hearing aid!rottenborough said:
I have heard of SERA. Do I get a leader vote?Alphabet_Soup said:
SERA has been around for more than 40 years and used to have an office in Poland Street in the same building as Friends of the Earth. The fact you haven't heard of them just shows how polite they are, compared to XR.IshmaelZ said:
Not a great acronym for an activist group, it hints at a kind of acceptant fatalism.Richard_Nabavi said:What on earth is the Socialist Environment and Resources Association? Do they have vicious feuds with other Environment and Resources Associations?
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You can form the SRCS, I'd rather form a Commonwealth Railway Cranks SocietySandyRentool said:
How about forming a Socialist Railway Cranks Society, affiliating to Labour and getting a nomination?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Que sera sera?IshmaelZ said:
Not a great acronym for an activist group, it hints at a kind of acceptant fatalism.Richard_Nabavi said:What on earth is the Socialist Environment and Resources Association? Do they have vicious feuds with other Environment and Resources Associations?
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I never realised that Thatcher has views on public topiary, but you’re the expert.kinabalu said:
I think Mrs T viewed beards or stubble in the same light as travelling by bus. Fine for a woman, but for a man a sign of not being quite up to scratch.another_richard said:Also how many of the new Conservative MPs have beards.
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Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:1 -
Indeed.AlastairMeeks said:
That is surprisingly hard to judge. Candidates make great play of local connections. Those local connections can be tenuous on inspection.another_richard said:Again with thanks to AM and Fishing for their work I wonder if they know how many of the new Conservative MPs were local to their area or outsiders.
One way of comparing would be to see how many were local councillors in areas different to where they now represent.
Campaign statements are not given under oath and candidates of all parties make full use of that on this and other fronts.
Which is why I thought local councillors might be appropriate evidence.
Its possible to be vague about where you come from or where you work but a councillor is for a specific location.0 -
They ignored the recommendation. (Much as they have pretty much ignored all the other recommendations.)Nigelb said:
Failed to record “to the standard required”... They conveniently lost the records again ?TheScreamingEagles said:
And are now pretending that it has something to do with recording the decision not to investigate when the truth is likely to be that they did not make any decision not to investigate on the basis of reasons. They just didn’t bother thinking about it at all.
Or maybe they are so useless they can’t find a piece of paper and pen or don’t know how to switch on the computer.
This may all seem like pedantic nonsense. But remember that it turned out that Carl Beech was a child abuser. So they are running a risk that these two other complainants may be like Beech and also be child abusers rather than victims. Or, rather, it is not the police running any risks here but possible child victims of these people.
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Tom Watson says "Hello"TheScreamingEagles said:
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Ross Perot, who ran for President on a remarkably Trumpian manifesto 25 years ago, used to absolutely hate beards.matt said:
I never realised that Thatcher has views on public topiary, but you’re the expert.kinabalu said:
I think Mrs T viewed beards or stubble in the same light as travelling by bus. Fine for a woman, but for a man a sign of not being quite up to scratch.another_richard said:Also how many of the new Conservative MPs have beards.
Wasn't Jerry Hayes the only Conservative MP who did so in the 1980s ?
A lot of the US hostages in Iran were EDS (Ross Perot's company at the time) employees, and after the Carter government failed to get them released, he took over the mantle. The plane that flew to Tehran to pick up the hostages had Perot on board, and he greeted them as they boarded the plane.
The head of EDS in Iran/Persia had been unable to shave during captivity, and his first words to Perot upon boarding the plane were to apologise about his beard.0 -
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Why don't they put up some loud speakers and play a recording of the bongs ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Actually that would have been a good idea anyway for tourism purposes.0 -
Is it James O’Brien & his mate who ramped the false allegations?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/james-obrien-and-the-carl-beech-witch-hunt/0 -
Westminster killjoys won't be able to stop me having a Big Bong at 11pm on 31st January!TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1217919092058927107
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Big Ben miming? Loss of integrity there surely.another_richard said:Why don't they put up some loud speakers and play a recording of the bongs ?
Actually that would have been a good idea anyway for tourism purposes.0 -
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:0 -
There’s nonce so deaf, in general, as those who will not hear.Sunil_Prasannan said:
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Republicans are advancing the novel legal principle that evidence coming to light after charges have been filed should not be heard in a trial...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/lev-parnas-trump-impeachment-trial-0997810 -
They could install speakers and not tell anyone...kinabalu said:
Big Ben miming? Loss of integrity there surely.another_richard said:Why don't they put up some loud speakers and play a recording of the bongs ?
Actually that would have been a good idea anyway for tourism purposes.0 -
Tom Watson says "O Hell."Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
We have plenty of sheep and apples, why would we want to ship stuff from 11K miles away that we can supply ourselves.Luckyguy1983 said:
New Zealand is a wonderful pristine place that unsurprisingly produces wonderfully healthy (in every sense) livestock and food. I don't really see your point to be honest.malcolmg said:
Yes shipping goods 11,000 miles will be a great way to improve our trade , we really need those sheep and apples.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.SouthamObserver said:Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.
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Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.1 -
But we need our sheep to take important government jobs. Simply: they're not available for slaughter.malcolmg said:
We have plenty of sheep and apples, why would we want to ship stuff from 11K miles away that we can supply ourselves.Luckyguy1983 said:
New Zealand is a wonderful pristine place that unsurprisingly produces wonderfully healthy (in every sense) livestock and food. I don't really see your point to be honest.malcolmg said:
Yes shipping goods 11,000 miles will be a great way to improve our trade , we really need those sheep and apples.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree. I do look forward to a much closer trading relationship though. It caused genuine poverty that New Zealand has never fully recovered from when we joined the EU.SouthamObserver said:Returning to the previous thread - there is no way New Zealand will agree a union with the UK. The Kiwis like being at the end of the Earth and they know free movement means a lot more low-skilled Poms arriving. It would also mess up their arrangements with Australia. No doubt tongues were very firmly in cheeks when the suggestion was made. But for anyone who was inclined to take it seriously: don’t.
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But isn't it usually governing parties which have presided over disaster ?rcs1000 said:
Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.0 -
I think that's absolutely rightanother_richard said:
But isn't it usually governing parties which have presided over disaster ?rcs1000 said:
Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.
Which means Labour probably need to get into power to get permanently out of power
(although that isn't what happened in Scotland),0 -
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
They are also advocating the principle that witnesses should not be heard in the trial.Nigelb said:Republicans are advancing the novel legal principle that evidence coming to light after charges have been filed should not be heard in a trial...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/lev-parnas-trump-impeachment-trial-0997810 -
I wonder if they stop sometimes and think how the version of themselves from just a few years ago would have reacted to the things they say now, the things they ignore or endorse. I bet their old selves would be shocked. They were broken, totally and completely, and are now just vessels for partisan fervour.Gabs3 said:
They are also advocating the principle that witnesses should not be heard in the trial.Nigelb said:Republicans are advancing the novel legal principle that evidence coming to light after charges have been filed should not be heard in a trial...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/lev-parnas-trump-impeachment-trial-0997810 -
I think it's something to do with our world class presskle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
SLAB have gone from being the most successful party in the western world to being the worst within a decade.rcs1000 said:
I think that's absolutely rightanother_richard said:
But isn't it usually governing parties which have presided over disaster ?rcs1000 said:
Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.
Which means Labour probably need to get into power to get permanently out of power
(although that isn't what happened in Scotland),
Its quite remarkable.0 -
Betting question.
There will be 3 different sets of results from Iowa, which ones will the betting markets use to settle the winner ?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/16/iowa-caucus-vote-totals-change-099519
The Associated Press will report only state delegate shares but other media outlets will report all 3 sets of results, 2 raw vote counts and the delegate count.0 -
But does anyone really care apart from Mark Francois ?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
Let’s see what happens in Wales.rcs1000 said:
I think that's absolutely rightanother_richard said:
But isn't it usually governing parties which have presided over disaster ?rcs1000 said:
Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.
Which means Labour probably need to get into power to get permanently out of power
(although that isn't what happened in Scotland),0 -
It should happen. I don’t see any point in not making many people happy at what by government standards is a trivial cost, even if it doesn’t make me happy.another_richard said:
But does anyone really care apart from Mark Francois ?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1217919092058927107
“Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?”0 -
Outrage merchants across the political spectrum.another_richard said:
But does anyone really care apart from Mark Francois ?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
For the first time ever I think RBL may have something to offer, including possessing a degree of conviction and a willingness to stand up for the self evident truth that politics cannot be detached from personally held values. This, I am sorry to say, will be fatal to any chance she had.Wulfrun_Phil said:
The developing row over Long-Bailey's views on abortion has the potential to seriously derail her campaign.another_richard said:
One thing she had going for her was the likelihood of her capturing preference votes ahead of Starmer from Labour feminists for whom the election of a female leader was a key factor trumping many others. However, for the same part of the Labour membership electorate (and many others), a defence of abortion rights is also pretty high up the list.
Remember how Farron's views on abortion did for his leadership? Even when he backtracked and declared that he was now pro-choice and only opposed to abortion being more widely available. And even when, as with Long-Bailey, he declared that this was only a personal view?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/16/tim-farron-says-hes-pro-choice-after-2007-interview-emerges
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You need a party to be perceived to be attacking their own voters for a long time and a credible alternative.rcs1000 said:
I think that's absolutely rightanother_richard said:
But isn't it usually governing parties which have presided over disaster ?rcs1000 said:
Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.
Which means Labour probably need to get into power to get permanently out of power
(although that isn't what happened in Scotland),
That covers Scotland too, and it almost happened to the Conservatives under Theresa May.0 -
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
It's The Blob, having one last hurrah......FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
Nice statistics.rcs1000 said:
Historically dominant parties had exctinction moments in:TheGreenMachine said:
There's a small chance in Scotland, if it was to happen in England, we wouldn't be here to witness it.StuartDickson said:
Labour 400/1. Could the same happen in England, Scotland or Wales one day?TheGreenMachine said:
Labour Scotland (2015) - from 40 seats to 1
Progressive Conservatives Canada (1993) - from 156 seats to 2
PASOK Greece (2015) - Seventh place from first in a decade
Socialists France (2017) - From Presidency to 6%
I could do more. But parties get completely (or almost completely) wiped out more often than you might think.0 -
Still alone in o-hell-odr_spyn said:
Tom Watson says "O Hell."Sunil_Prasannan said:
See the deadly nightshade grow....0 -
I am somewhat serious. Brexit genuinely doesn't bring practical benefits. People voted Leave because they objected to being told what to do by a European outfit they don't like very much. Voting Leave, for at least part of the electorate, was about giving themselves agency. The Big Ben bongs thing doesn't look like that agency.IanB2 said:
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
Angela Merkel says "After Brexit the brits will be a a competitor" and you do not see any benefits.FF43 said:
I am somewhat serious. Brexit genuinely doesn't bring practical benefits. People voted Leave because they objected to being told what to do by a European outfit they don't like very much. Voting Leave, for at least part of the electorate, was about giving themselves agency. The Big Ben bongs thing doesn't look like that agency.IanB2 said:
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
I don't belong here, said old tessa out loud.MarqueeMark said:
Still alone in o-hell-odr_spyn said:
Tom Watson says "O Hell."Sunil_Prasannan said:
See the deadly nightshade grow....
Easy, love, there's the safe way home.0 -
You would have a point if the obstacle to ringing the bell were the EU Bells (Non-Bonging) Directive 2017. It is not.FF43 said:
I am somewhat serious. Brexit genuinely doesn't bring practical benefits. People voted Leave because they objected to being told what to do by a European outfit they don't like very much. Voting Leave, for at least part of the electorate, was about giving themselves agency. The Big Ben bongs thing doesn't look like that agency.IanB2 said:
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
Labour insisting on pulling the wings off its flying machine.....rottenborough said:0 -
Starmer 6, RLB 3rottenborough said:
The record of those same 9 constituencies in 2016 was:
Corbyn 3, Smith 1, No nomination 50 -
Isn't that a statement of the bleeding obvious. Just as if Scotland was independent from us, they'd move from constituent part to competitor. That doesn't mean we wouldn't have an excellent relationship with an independent Scotland, it's just we'd now be in competition.ralphmalph said:
Angela Merkel says "After Brexit the brits will be a a competitor" and you do not see any benefits.FF43 said:
I am somewhat serious. Brexit genuinely doesn't bring practical benefits. People voted Leave because they objected to being told what to do by a European outfit they don't like very much. Voting Leave, for at least part of the electorate, was about giving themselves agency. The Big Ben bongs thing doesn't look like that agency.IanB2 said:
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
Outbreak of sanity? Or too early to tell?Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer 6, RLB 3rottenborough said:
The record of those same 9 constituencies in 2016 was:
Corbyn 3, Smith 1, No nomination 50 -
Outbreak of paranoia in Suffolk.
https://twitter.com/tombarton/status/1217940322208096257
Matt Hancock might think wtf when he sees what has gone on at the hospital in his constituency.0 -
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I am not sure why being a competitor is a benefit. In any case the UK has always been a competitor of Germany whether in or out of the EU. Being out makes it a bit more difficult, that's all.rcs1000 said:
Isn't that a statement of the bleeding obvious. Just as if Scotland was independent from us, they'd move from constituent part to competitor. That doesn't mean we wouldn't have an excellent relationship with an independent Scotland, it's just we'd now be in competition.ralphmalph said:
Angela Merkel says "After Brexit the brits will be a a competitor" and you do not see any benefits.FF43 said:
I am somewhat serious. Brexit genuinely doesn't bring practical benefits. People voted Leave because they objected to being told what to do by a European outfit they don't like very much. Voting Leave, for at least part of the electorate, was about giving themselves agency. The Big Ben bongs thing doesn't look like that agency.IanB2 said:
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070 -
I'd go for too early to say.rottenborough said:
Outbreak of sanity? Or too early to tell?Wulfrun_Phil said:
Starmer 6, RLB 3rottenborough said:
The record of those same 9 constituencies in 2016 was:
Corbyn 3, Smith 1, No nomination 50 -
In some ways it may well be, but in others it is not. Merkel always justifies her comments by stating that the UK leaving the EU can reduce EU regulations to become more competitive so the EU must respond (FT interview with Merkel today). So no it is more than just leaving, it is what we can do differently by leaving.rcs1000 said:
Isn't that a statement of the bleeding obvious. Just as if Scotland was independent from us, they'd move from constituent part to competitor. That doesn't mean we wouldn't have an excellent relationship with an independent Scotland, it's just we'd now be in competition.ralphmalph said:
Angela Merkel says "After Brexit the brits will be a a competitor" and you do not see any benefits.FF43 said:
I am somewhat serious. Brexit genuinely doesn't bring practical benefits. People voted Leave because they objected to being told what to do by a European outfit they don't like very much. Voting Leave, for at least part of the electorate, was about giving themselves agency. The Big Ben bongs thing doesn't look like that agency.IanB2 said:
A good question still awaiting a credible answer.FF43 said:
Sovereignty. We voted Leave to Take Back Control. If we can't even control when Big Ben bongs, what's the point?kle4 said:
I really am at quite a loss why so many people have for one cared about Big Ben bonging, and for two gotten angry about it not happening. It's parody as reality.TheScreamingEagles said:LOL
The Brexiteers aren't happy with Boris.
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/12179190920589271070
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