Blitzed the argument. Shifted the Overton Window. Turned the Tories into a fiscally reckless statist party. Left them owning the looming Brexit disaster. Oh Jeremy Corbyn!
Trouble is he lost the bleeding election. Again.
Someone here the other day pointed out that even HMG's proposed Australian points-based system is a statist solution rather than letting companies sponsor immigrants.
Is any country’s immigration system run in the private sector?
Information Security In London Ltd would like to sponsor lots of motivated young IT professionals to work in the UK who were, until recently, managing a high profile campaign across Syria and Iraq.
Blitzed the argument. Shifted the Overton Window. Turned the Tories into a fiscally reckless statist party. Left them owning the looming Brexit disaster. Oh Jeremy Corbyn!
Of course Labour won 3 elections under Blair on a Thatcherite lite agenda, if Boris wins elections on a Corbyn lite economic agenda just returning the favour
What does that even mean?
It means that if Boris Johnson was caught doing a Monica Lewinsky on Trump in the Oval Office HYUFD would defend it as an outstanding policy position.
I find people that have present day political idols simultaneously amusing and perplexing, particularly when it involves people as massively flawed as Johnson or Corbyn.
Do you think the likes of you need to be challenged in your views at all, or is it a one way street. If not, where should she stop pandering to you and move you back towards WWC voters?
Yes, it must be a 2 way street - pls see my reply to @Cyclefree.
Lost Labour WWC voters over me and ilk? Immigration. We need to be told (and firmly) that our attachment to open borders is starry eyed and impractical.
Me and ilk over lost Labour WWC voters? "Patriotism." They need to be told (but not firmly - subtly) that this is a deliberate distraction put out to sucker them by people who do not have their best economic interests at heart.
Do you think the likes of you need to be challenged in your views at all, or is it a one way street. If not, where should she stop pandering to you and move you back towards WWC voters?
Yes, it must be a 2 way street - pls see my reply to @Cyclefree.
Lost Labour WWC voters over me and ilk? Immigration. We need to be told (and firmly) that our attachment to open borders is starry eyed and impractical.
Me and ilk over lost Labour WWC voters? "Patriotism." They need to be told (but not firmly - subtly) that this is a deliberate distraction put out to sucker them by people who do not have their best economic interests at heart.
So Labour's pitch will be a grudging control on immigration, but a refusal to say they like this country. Best of luck!
Blitzed the argument. Shifted the Overton Window. Turned the Tories into a fiscally reckless statist party. Left them owning the looming Brexit disaster. Oh Jeremy Corbyn!
Trouble is he lost the bleeding election. Again.
Someone here the other day pointed out that even HMG's proposed Australian points-based system is a statist solution rather than letting companies sponsor immigrants.
Is any country’s immigration system run in the private sector?
It is a matter of degree. The government saying fruit-pickers can come but doctors cannot (or vice versa) is statist. America allows private companies to recruit overseas provided they cannot do so locally. That is at least in part a market-based solution. Our Conservatives and Brexiteers are so far leaning to the purely statist approach, even if they'd otherwise claim to believe in free markets.
Of course Labour won 3 elections under Blair on a Thatcherite lite agenda, if Boris wins elections on a Corbyn lite economic agenda just returning the favour
Yes, that is a perfectly fine comment. Much truth in it. The key question is how will Johnson govern now that he has won. To deliver a substantial uplift for all the neglected people in neglected places - i.e. really change their lives for the better - will require a big activist state. Does he really want to do it? Can he carry his resolutely non-socialist party with him even if he does want to do it? And what about Brexit? He must somehow negotiate and sell a very closely aligned BINO future relationship (obviously). Can he do that? If he can - if he can truly do all of these things - he will morph from "Boris" to Boris and I will be voting Conservative next time. And not grudgingly either. I'll do it with a smile on my face.
Do you think the likes of you need to be challenged in your views at all, or is it a one way street. If not, where should she stop pandering to you and move you back towards WWC voters?
Yes, it must be a 2 way street - pls see my reply to @Cyclefree.
Lost Labour WWC voters over me and ilk? Immigration. We need to be told (and firmly) that our attachment to open borders is starry eyed and impractical.
Me and ilk over lost Labour WWC voters? "Patriotism." They need to be told (but not firmly - subtly) that this is a deliberate distraction put out to sucker them by people who do not have their best economic interests at heart.
I thought you were Lab WWC? Made good but you know how class works.
Now we cross to Piers Morgan, for a considered opinion on the news of The Sussexes decision to try to form a progressive third way of being a royal....
Why the Queen must FIRE Their Royal Hustlers: Deluded Meghan and Harry should be stripped of their titles before this pair of grasping, selfish, scheming Kardashian-wannabes bring down the Monarchy
I've seen some disgraceful royal antics in my time, but for pure arrogance, entitlement, greed, and wilful disrespect, nothing has ever quite matched the behaviour of the 'Duke and Duchess of Sussex.'
I put inverted commas around those titles because I sincerely hope they won't exist much longer.
The Sussexes do seem to have adopted the Borisite stance on cake. I'm straining to remember but I think Boris also supported Churchill and the King over the abdication crisis.
Perhaps it’s your views which need challenging. Not those of WWC voters. “Educating and informing” sounds pretty patronising. Maybe voters like you (and me) should be on the receiving end of some education and information about what life is like for - and the concerns of - voters outside Hampstead.
Yes, all views need challenging. And "educate and inform" DOES sound patronizing. That's my exact point. It is much easier to say that we need to educate and inform these new WWC Tory voters without talking down to them than it is to do that in practice. Massive challenge. And yes it works both ways. They need to educate and inform people like me without sounding ill educated and uninformed. Also a massive challenge. So the new Labour leader must be an effective conduit both ways. Massive MASSIVE challenge for whoever it is. And atm, for me, it's Lisa Nandy who looks best equipped.
Blitzed the argument. Shifted the Overton Window. Turned the Tories into a fiscally reckless statist party. Left them owning the looming Brexit disaster. Oh Jeremy Corbyn!
Trouble is he lost the bleeding election. Again.
Someone here the other day pointed out that even HMG's proposed Australian points-based system is a statist solution rather than letting companies sponsor immigrants.
Is any country’s immigration system run in the private sector?
Sponsored employment is normal in the Gulf region, but there’s still a govt department of immigration who processes the paperwork and can veto anyone they don’t like. Employers are responsible for ensuring that employees leave the country when their employment terminates. There are also now rules on local preference for skilled jobs, whereas employers have to interview local citizens before offering jobs to immigrants.
There was a good article on unherd yesterday about the disconnect in her thinking whereby she likes to flash some communitarian leg, but is still fully signed up to the usual Labour shibboleths which are in conflict with it. Ends up being a call to listen to our traditional voters, but not take their advice.
OK, I'm an out-and-out Nandy supporter, so maybe I'm biased, but I thought that the logic the article used: "if you advocate letting communities make decisions, you can't be strongly opposed to one of the possible decisions they might make", is entirely false.
To take the case of giving a small former mining town the decision to accept 100 asylum seekers, I would be "indistinguishable from your average Momentum activist" in passionately believing that accepting them is morally right, and not accepting them would be morally wrong. There's nothing remotely inconsistent with believing that and also believing that the local community should have a greater say in the decision.
One strong point she made is that, when empowered in this way, communities tend to surprise people on both the right and left with how open and welcoming they are. She has more evidence for this than that one anecdote. But of course they will occasionally make a decision that I don't like. And yes, that will sometimes make me upset and angry, just as much as it will your average Momentum activist. It doesn't mean it's wrong to empower local communities.
Isn’t the point the article is making that if you empower local communities, you ought to be prepared to accept that they will make decisions you personally disagree with. If you are only giving them the illusion of control and in fact only allowing them to make decisions you agree with then your talk of empowering communities is just that - talk. The writer seemed to be saying that a choice needed to be made and it was not clear which side of that choice Nandy really would take.
The Soviet has the power to make the decision. But the Central Committee has the final say.
This says more about Rebecca Long-Bailey than the chances of LOTO Gardiner.
Nature abhors a vacuum and so Lisa Nandy looks well-placed.
I backed her at 7.8 when I read that... and she's now 9s!
In a very difficult market to call my recent bets have been to lay Starmer. It`s not that I think he won`t win in the end, I just think he`s too short at this stage and he will lengthen, at least at some point, and I`ll trade out.
Of course Labour won 3 elections under Blair on a Thatcherite lite agenda, if Boris wins elections on a Corbyn lite economic agenda just returning the favour
Yes, that is a perfectly fine comment. Much truth in it. The key question is how will Johnson govern now that he has won. To deliver a substantial uplift for all the neglected people in neglected places - i.e. really change their lives for the better - will require a big activist state. Does he really want to do it? Can he carry his resolutely non-socialist party with him even if he does want to do it? And what about Brexit? He must somehow negotiate and sell a very closely aligned BINO future relationship (obviously). Can he do that? If he can - if he can truly do all of these things - he will morph from "Boris" to Boris and I will be voting Conservative next time. And not grudgingly either. I'll do it with a smile on my face.
It doesn’t require a big activist state - it requires government to get out of the way of investment and enterprise.
This is precisely what I'm saying. Labour need to win back WWC votes in the North and the Midlands without alienating their new London & Metropolitan base. This requires education and compromise in both directions with the new Labour leader as the interface for the process. I think Nandy might be best suited to be that interface. Of course, it could prove an impossible challenge to forge a coalition big enough to win next time but let's not say that yet. Let's really give it our best shot.
Of course Labour won 3 elections under Blair on a Thatcherite lite agenda, if Boris wins elections on a Corbyn lite economic agenda just returning the favour
Yes, that is a perfectly fine comment. Much truth in it. The key question is how will Johnson govern now that he has won. To deliver a substantial uplift for all the neglected people in neglected places - i.e. really change their lives for the better - will require a big activist state. Does he really want to do it? Can he carry his resolutely non-socialist party with him even if he does want to do it? And what about Brexit? He must somehow negotiate and sell a very closely aligned BINO future relationship (obviously). Can he do that? If he can - if he can truly do all of these things - he will morph from "Boris" to Boris and I will be voting Conservative next time. And not grudgingly either. I'll do it with a smile on my face.
It doesn’t require a big activist state - it requires government to get out of the way of investment and enterprise.
On topic, Barry Gardener is a sound chap, Corpus Christi alumnus.
One of my memories of the 1997 election was Sir Rhodes Boyson and his sideburns being shocked that they had lost a 10,000 majority to Gardiner.
For younger readers, Sir Rhodes Boyson was the Jacob Rees-Mogg of his day.
Perhaps a bit more like Rees-Mogg's uncle? In fairness, I think Rhodes Boyson spent many years teaching in the state sector, so wasn't quite as unworldly.
Which also reminds me, what's the plural of trade union?
Is it trades union like attorneys general?
Trades union is a single union for different trades. Like the Prison Officers' Association (full name POA: The Professional Trades Union for Prison, Correctional and Secure Psychiatric Workers) http://www.poauk.org.uk/index.php?aid=2
Which also reminds me, what's the plural of trade union?
Is it trades union like attorneys general?
Trades union is a single union for different trades. Like the Prison Officers' Association (full name POA: The Professional Trades Union for Prison, Correctional and Secure Psychiatric Workers) http://www.poauk.org.uk/index.php?aid=2
I thought you were Lab WWC? Made good but you know how class works.
Made bad really, in many ways. But, yes, WWC roots. Which I feel quite distant from, maybe sadly, maybe not. Perhaps because I left for the Smoke at 17 and have only lived here or abroad ever since.
EDIT: Yes, I do know how class works. I have created a test which gives a score which tells you what you are. @isam (for example) was a 9 which is working class.
I thought you were Lab WWC? Made good but you know how class works.
Made bad really, in many ways. But, yes, WWC roots. Which I feel quite distant from, maybe sadly, maybe not. Perhaps because I left for the Smoke at 17 and have only lived here or abroad ever since.
Sounds like a life well lived. The more WWC folk we have on here the better so always interested in your views on stuff.
Looks like they are about to be cut off, Meghan really is Wallace Simpson 2 with Harry a latter day Edward VIII
Perhaps,,, Although to be honest they are no where near as important as Edward (was) and Wallace (might have been if she'd been allowed to stick around)
Harry was at his most important as "the spare" but even that went out the window when William had George.
Harry's only saving grace now is that Diana was his mother... And even that becomes more insignificant with each passing year.
I think this is really where Harry and Meghan have gone wrong within the Firm. They seemed to think they were much important players than they actually were. Turns out with HMQ>Charles>William>George> succession keeping the Royals secure for the next seventy years H and Meg just aren't that important.
Go. Stay. Who cares.
Harry is (quite obviously) still very badly affected by the death of his mother. I'm still not sure he's found himself.
If I was being uncharitable, I'd say Meghan was exploiting that.
More charitable perhaps to say she could have no comprehension of the pressures being Royal has put him under. No outsider really could. And Meghan is REALLY an outsider - that much has become clear. And therefore not the person best placed to hep him navigate his way through it.
But maybe effectively being No Longer Royal will be the way for him to cope. I hope so, for his sake.
I'm not sure it will. I think he's deeply upset at the split with his brother and will miss his family. I can't see him being happy with Meghan alone.
It wouldn't surprise me if the marriage doesn't last, and he comes home.
The talk in the Palace was that the marriage wouldn't last three years. Maybe the wish was father to the thought....
Who’d’ve thunk it? Marquee Mark is best chums with Mrs Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
To deliver a substantial uplift for all the neglected people in neglected places - i.e. really change their lives for the better - will require a big activist state.
Don't agree. It requires the stripping away of resons they are not competitve. That might be because they have poor road and rail infrastructure. These can be upgraded over time. But if those are already in place to an OK standard, then it might just be that giving these places Freeport status supercharges them to the point where the market takes the lead....
Someone here the other day pointed out that even HMG's proposed Australian points-based system is a statist solution rather than letting companies sponsor immigrants.
Yes. It's great winning most of the arguments and moving Overton windows but to win the odd election too would be nice. Ah well.
Looks like they are about to be cut off, Meghan really is Wallace Simpson 2 with Harry a latter day Edward VIII
Perhaps,,, Although to be honest they are no where near as important as Edward (was) and Wallace (might have been if she'd been allowed to stick around)
Harry was at his most important as "the spare" but even that went out the window when William had George.
Harry's only saving grace now is that Diana was his mother... And even that becomes more insignificant with each passing year.
I think this is really where Harry and Meghan have gone wrong within the Firm. They seemed to think they were much important players than they actually were. Turns out with HMQ>Charles>William>George> succession keeping the Royals secure for the next seventy years H and Meg just aren't that important.
Go. Stay. Who cares.
Harry is (quite obviously) still very badly affected by the death of his mother. I'm still not sure he's found himself.
If I was being uncharitable, I'd say Meghan was exploiting that.
More charitable perhaps to say she could have no comprehension of the pressures being Royal has put him under. No outsider really could. And Meghan is REALLY an outsider - that much has become clear. And therefore not the person best placed to hep him navigate his way through it.
But maybe effectively being No Longer Royal will be the way for him to cope. I hope so, for his sake.
I'm not sure it will. I think he's deeply upset at the split with his brother and will miss his family. I can't see him being happy with Meghan alone.
It wouldn't surprise me if the marriage doesn't last, and he comes home.
The talk in the Palace was that the marriage wouldn't last three years. Maybe the wish was father to the thought....
Who’d’ve thunk it? Marquee Mark is best chums with Mrs Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
Looks like they are about to be cut off, Meghan really is Wallace Simpson 2 with Harry a latter day Edward VIII
Perhaps,,, Although to be honest they are no where near as important as Edward (was) and Wallace (might have been if she'd been allowed to stick around)
Harry was at his most important as "the spare" but even that went out the window when William had George.
Harry's only saving grace now is that Diana was his mother... And even that becomes more insignificant with each passing year.
I think this is really where Harry and Meghan have gone wrong within the Firm. They seemed to think they were much important players than they actually were. Turns out with HMQ>Charles>William>George> succession keeping the Royals secure for the next seventy years H and Meg just aren't that important.
Go. Stay. Who cares.
Harry is (quite obviously) still very badly affected by the death of his mother. I'm still not sure he's found himself.
If I was being uncharitable, I'd say Meghan was exploiting that.
More charitable perhaps to say she could have no comprehension of the pressures being Royal has put him under. No outsider really could. And Meghan is REALLY an outsider - that much has become clear. And therefore not the person best placed to hep him navigate his way through it.
But maybe effectively being No Longer Royal will be the way for him to cope. I hope so, for his sake.
I'm not sure it will. I think he's deeply upset at the split with his brother and will miss his family. I can't see him being happy with Meghan alone.
It wouldn't surprise me if the marriage doesn't last, and he comes home.
The talk in the Palace was that the marriage wouldn't last three years. Maybe the wish was father to the thought....
Who’d’ve thunk it? Marquee Mark is best chums with Mrs Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
Green is not a good look on you.....
As Her Majesty recently told me she hates name droppers.
So Labour's pitch will be a grudging control on immigration, but a refusal to say they like this country. Best of luck!
No. It will be a full-throated acceptance of the need to control immigration. That will be our compromise. Anybody who can't do it, including me, either keep quiet or sod off and join the Greens. And then a new definition of patriotism which does not involve any sort of superiority over or aggression towards others. This will be their compromise. These lost WWC voters. And if they can't do it, if they insist on clinging to a "We stood alone in 1940, we can do it again" type version of what love of country means, then we do not want their votes. The Cons are welcome to keep them.
These are just examples btw. Clearly there will be much more to the 2 way education/compromise flow via Interface Nandy (or Starmer) than just issues pertaining to immigration and "patriotism".
To deliver a substantial uplift for all the neglected people in neglected places - i.e. really change their lives for the better - will require a big activist state.
Don't agree. It requires the stripping away of resons they are not competitve. That might be because they have poor road and rail infrastructure. These can be upgraded over time. But if those are already in place to an OK standard, then it might just be that giving these places Freeport status supercharges them to the point where the market takes the lead....
That solves some problems - it doesn't solve the bigger issue of (awkward) travel distance.
Teesside is a prime example - it extends over an hours drive to the East from Darlington with good communication links to Hartlepool and Redcar which simply don't.
If you make the whole area a freeport business will flock to Darlington and Boro as it has the communication links. But if you make parts of it a freeport, while you may attract businesses it could simply be ones moving 10 miles north or east from areas just outside the freeport. And the latter problem was widely seen in the enterprise zones outside Docklands.
Looks like they are about to be cut off, Meghan really is Wallace Simpson 2 with Harry a latter day Edward VIII
Perhaps,,, Although to be honest they are no where near as important as Edward (was) and Wallace (might have been if she'd been allowed to stick around)
Harry was at his most important as "the spare" but even that went out the window when William had George.
Harry's only saving grace now is that Diana was his mother... And even that becomes more insignificant with each passing year.
I think this is really where Harry and Meghan have gone wrong within the Firm. They seemed to think they were much important players than they actually were. Turns out with HMQ>Charles>William>George> succession keeping the Royals secure for the next seventy years H and Meg just aren't that important.
Go. Stay. Who cares.
Harry is (quite obviously) still very badly affected by the death of his mother. I'm still not sure he's found himself.
If I was being uncharitable, I'd say Meghan was exploiting that.
More charitable perhaps to say she could have no comprehension of the pressures being Royal has put him under. No outsider really could. And Meghan is REALLY an outsider - that much has become clear. And therefore not the person best placed to hep him navigate his way through it.
But maybe effectively being No Longer Royal will be the way for him to cope. I hope so, for his sake.
I'm not sure it will. I think he's deeply upset at the split with his brother and will miss his family. I can't see him being happy with Meghan alone.
It wouldn't surprise me if the marriage doesn't last, and he comes home.
The talk in the Palace was that the marriage wouldn't last three years. Maybe the wish was father to the thought....
Who’d’ve thunk it? Marquee Mark is best chums with Mrs Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
Green is not a good look on you.....
Green is certainly not a popular colour among Scottish... er... let’s be polite and call them “monarchists”.
I'm surprised no Leaver has yet suggested that Prince Harry is being kept in reserve for that moment when Ms von der Leyen launches her successful reconquest and needs a puppet monarch sympathetic to European values to install on the throne.
"Leaver" is so last decade
I'm open to other words that neatly encapsulate backward-looking insular paranoics, but Leaver still seems the most apt.
105 MPs/MEPs declared according to Guido's spreadsheet.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
Not all of those 105 have actually put in nomination papers (and even if they have perhaps they can alter them?). Still, it does look a big mountain for Gardiner to climb - to win these things you ideally need to have got organised and have your key support locked in before the contest formally starts.
105 MPs/MEPs declared according to Guido's spreadsheet.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
Not all of those 105 have actually put in nomination papers (and even if they have perhaps they can alter them?). Still, it does look a big mountain for Gardiner to climb - to win these things you ideally need to have got organised and have your key support locked in before the contest formally starts.
Good point. Can you withdraw support before the deadline? Would seem reasonable to be able to do so.
Don't agree. It requires the stripping away of resons they are not competitve. That might be because they have poor road and rail infrastructure. These can be upgraded over time. But if those are already in place to an OK standard, then it might just be that giving these places Freeport status supercharges them to the point where the market takes the lead....
I think that's a pipedream. The "market" boosting and empowering the North relative to London and the South East without very significant direction and funding from government. If it happens, I'll change my mind obviously.
The Erasmus chat on the previous thread was really pretty thin gruel. Tory MPs aren't voting for or against continued involvement - they're voting to keep the negotiation entirely in the gift of the executive rather than having their hands tied up by Parliament in a fashion we know does not work.
Cue months of twitter fake news about what the Tories are for or against, which will bear next to no relation to any deal which eventually gets negotiated.
One almost feels sorry for the poor wee lambs. Almost.
It does all rather suggest that the view that the hard left are a well-organised coherent force who have the Labour Party in an iron grip isn't entirely right. In fact, they seem to be an utter shambles.
What's he doing over here? - can the UK take him back please!
Dude, the answer is literally in the Tweet. *best read in a Bill and Ted voice*
"...investigating the environmental impact of cooking on charcoal" sounds awfully like a euphemism for attending an all-you-can-eat-and-drink barbeque brunch on the beach of a nice hotel.
Start with business rates and employer NI in areas where there need to be more jobs, and go from there.
That is an example of what I'm talking about. Stack the fiscal cards (both tax and spend) in favour of the people and places that need to have wealth and opportunities boosted. I will be supporting each and every thing that the Cons do along those lines. Wonder how many times I'll be clapping? Will my hands get raw?
Start with business rates and employer NI in areas where there need to be more jobs, and go from there.
That is an example of what I'm talking about. Stack the fiscal cards (both tax and spend) in favour of the people and places that need to have wealth and opportunities boosted. I will be supporting each and every thing that the Cons do along those lines. Wonder how many times I'll be clapping? Will my hands get raw?
Don't agree. It requires the stripping away of resons they are not competitve. That might be because they have poor road and rail infrastructure. These can be upgraded over time. But if those are already in place to an OK standard, then it might just be that giving these places Freeport status supercharges them to the point where the market takes the lead....
I think that's a pipedream. The "market" boosting and empowering the North relative to London and the South East without very significant direction and funding from government. If it happens, I'll change my mind obviously.
Don't hold your breath, it will be usual hot air and forgotten soon enough.
Start with business rates and employer NI in areas where there need to be more jobs, and go from there.
That is an example of what I'm talking about. Stack the fiscal cards (both tax and spend) in favour of the people and places that need to have wealth and opportunities boosted. I will be supporting each and every thing that the Cons do along those lines. Wonder how many times I'll be clapping? Will my hands get raw?
Hopefully not raw enough that you can't put your cross in the blue box at the next election
No sign of Flash Harry updating us on the recent NHS A&E information I see. Given his constant worries about Scottish NHS I would have expected him to be more concerned about his adopted country and the bad news.
Which also reminds me, what's the plural of trade union?
Is it trades union like attorneys general?
I genuinely don't know. In "attorney general" the word "attorney" is the noun and "general" the adjective, so the plural is "attorneys general". But in "trade union" the word "union" is the noun and "trade" the adjective, so it would be "trade unions". At least I think so.
105 MPs/MEPs declared according to Guido's spreadsheet.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
Not all of those 105 have actually put in nomination papers (and even if they have perhaps they can alter them?). Still, it does look a big mountain for Gardiner to climb - to win these things you ideally need to have got organised and have your key support locked in before the contest formally starts.
Good point. Can you withdraw support before the deadline? Would seem reasonable to be able to do so.
The bigger point is whether several candidates will actually withdraw their names before the deadline.
105 MPs/MEPs declared according to Guido's spreadsheet.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
Not all of those 105 have actually put in nomination papers (and even if they have perhaps they can alter them?). Still, it does look a big mountain for Gardiner to climb - to win these things you ideally need to have got organised and have your key support locked in before the contest formally starts.
Good point. Can you withdraw support before the deadline? Would seem reasonable to be able to do so.
The bigger point is whether several candidates will actually withdraw their names before the deadline.
*looks at you Thornberry, Lewis.....*
It would shake things up if RLB managed to escape from her captors and withdraw her bid.
"...investigating the environmental impact of cooking on charcoal" sounds awfully like a euphemism for attending an all-you-can-eat-and-drink barbeque brunch on the beach of a nice hotel.
Ha! Given what happens on most "fact finding" trips, you may well be absolutely right.
105 MPs/MEPs declared according to Guido's spreadsheet.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
Not all of those 105 have actually put in nomination papers (and even if they have perhaps they can alter them?). Still, it does look a big mountain for Gardiner to climb - to win these things you ideally need to have got organised and have your key support locked in before the contest formally starts.
Good point. Can you withdraw support before the deadline? Would seem reasonable to be able to do so.
The bigger point is whether several candidates will actually withdraw their names before the deadline.
*looks at you Thornberry, Lewis.....*
It would shake things up if RLB managed to escape from her captors and withdraw her bid.
Has anyone been buying packs of discounted Labour Party Christmas cards?
"HELP ME. I'M BEING FORCED TO WORK IN A POLITICAL PARTY AGAINST MY WILL....."
105 MPs/MEPs declared according to Guido's spreadsheet.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
Not all of those 105 have actually put in nomination papers (and even if they have perhaps they can alter them?). Still, it does look a big mountain for Gardiner to climb - to win these things you ideally need to have got organised and have your key support locked in before the contest formally starts.
Good point. Can you withdraw support before the deadline? Would seem reasonable to be able to do so.
The bigger point is whether several candidates will actually withdraw their names before the deadline.
*looks at you Thornberry, Lewis.....*
It would shake things up if RLB managed to escape from her captors and withdraw her bid.
Has anyone been buying packs of discounted Labour Party Christmas cards?
"HELP ME. I'M BEING FORCED TO WORK IN A POLITICAL PARTY AGAINST MY WILL....."
Was that story ever confirmed? It always sounded very iffy...the chances of a Chinese worker in a sweat shop being able to write extremely clear English with decent grammar, seems unlikely.
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I find people that have present day political idols simultaneously amusing and perplexing, particularly when it involves people as massively flawed as Johnson or Corbyn.
Lost Labour WWC voters over me and ilk? Immigration. We need to be told (and firmly) that our attachment to open borders is starry eyed and impractical.
Me and ilk over lost Labour WWC voters? "Patriotism." They need to be told (but not firmly - subtly) that this is a deliberate distraction put out to sucker them by people who do not have their best economic interests at heart.
https://twitter.com/charliehtweets/status/1215225768562831360
One of my memories of the 1997 election was Sir Rhodes Boyson and his sideburns being shocked that they had lost a 10,000 majority to Gardiner.
Many thanks sir.
Is it trades union like attorneys general?
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1215225246598549504
http://www.poauk.org.uk/index.php?aid=2
His price should be out there with Thornberry and Lewis.
cf - "We can just print the money we need because we have our own currency."
The Market: Lol, she is 6.4 now sucker.
EDIT: Yes, I do know how class works. I have created a test which gives a score which tells you what you are. @isam (for example) was a 9 which is working class.
So Gardiner will need ~20% of the remainder to qualify.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1215226894356041729
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7868371/PIERS-MORGAN-Queen-FIRE-Royal-Hustlers.html
These are just examples btw. Clearly there will be much more to the 2 way education/compromise flow via Interface Nandy (or Starmer) than just issues pertaining to immigration and "patriotism".
https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1215239519840231424
Teesside is a prime example - it extends over an hours drive to the East from Darlington with good communication links to Hartlepool and Redcar which simply don't.
If you make the whole area a freeport business will flock to Darlington and Boro as it has the communication links. But if you make parts of it a freeport, while you may attract businesses it could simply be ones moving 10 miles north or east from areas just outside the freeport. And the latter problem was widely seen in the enterprise zones outside Docklands.
Isolationist
Footling
Bigot
Sectarian
Introvert
Provincialist
Skeptic
Mentalist
Leftover
Left-behind
Antediluvian
Has-been
Reactionary
Conformist
Conservative
The wokest PB Tory, that's what you are (with the inevitable lapse every so often).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxBcppwPFuM
*looks at you Thornberry, Lewis.....*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s24ulpRWHwE
"HELP ME. I'M BEING FORCED TO WORK IN A POLITICAL PARTY AGAINST MY WILL....."
And your good lady?