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America invested a huge amount of blood and treasure to put Iraq in its orbit. It has sent a message in stark terms that Iran can forget about prising it away......OldKingCole said:Well, how would you describe his policy?
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Have you read his book “Proof of Conspiracy”?ydoethur said:https://www.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1212932812485136385
What's especially puzzling however is that this comes so soon after Trump and Putin's lovein. Soleimani was one of Putin's friends in the regime, the man tipped as Putin's choice for next President of Iran and a key figure in Putin's Syria strategy.
So either Putin will be ready to explode or - just possibly - we are seeing Trump used, wittingly or otherwise, as part of a power struggle. With Putin I suppose you never quite know.
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Morning all. Iran, you say? Phew, thankfully I’m, err, about a hundred miles from Iran
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That’s not how it works in my experience. There are always people who will do what is asked of them, so sometimes its best to register your scepticism then go through to the end to mitigate the damage and then be around to ensure the right lessons are learned. Marketing is one area where this can actually be quite a valuable exercise.rcs1000 said:
If asked to join an obviously doomed project, you have to say no, no matter how much the CEO begs you.MaxPB said:
Yup, get on the right side of the right people, that's always the game plan at any company. Also, learn when and how to say no to senior management. Those are my two tips for getting ahead in life.rcs1000 said:
It's also fundamentally bullshit. Almost everyone I know who's successfully climbed the greasy poll, whether at Goldman or anywhere else, has done it by assiduously courting favour with the right people.Alistair said:If you play office politics, you will be discovered and immediately binned.
Is the quote of a man who is an idiot. The point of office politics is you don't detect it. It is done in secret.
This is the kind of empty platitude that some says to look tough and on the ball but there is absolutely zero to back it up.
That's office politics.
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And what should he give to Trump?CarlottaVance said:
I trust he extends to our noble American allies every assistance.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
Although will the lure of a Trump trade deal be a siren call?0 -
Yes. And with the motive usually petty and personal. Essentially we have a maladjusted 15 year old holding the World's highest elected office. Hopefully just 12 more months of this bizarre and precarious state of affairs to get through but one rather wishes it were shorter.speedy2 said:Lots of isolated decisions without strategy.
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If Trump has done this without Putin’s approval things could get very tricky for him.0
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I'm wondering what he's told the Israelis as well. This is going to lead to an upsurge in violence from Hamas and if they didn't have advanced warning they're not going to be happy.SouthamObserver said:If Trump has done this without Putin’s approval things could get very tricky for him.
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And yet it is entirely possible that Iraq will ask US troops to leave as a result.MarqueeMark said:
America invested a huge amount of blood and treasure to put Iraq in its orbit. It has sent a message in stark terms that Iran can forget about prising it away......OldKingCole said:Well, how would you describe his policy?
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News reports suggest (though who knows if they’re accurate) that allies were not consulted.ydoethur said:
I'm wondering what he's told the Israelis as well. This is going to lead to an upsurge in violence from Hamas and if they didn't have advanced warning they're not going to be happy.SouthamObserver said:If Trump has done this without Putin’s approval things could get very tricky for him.
So Putin wasn’t told then...1 -
With more technical projects, it’s usually poison to have been involved with them, as failure usually equates with disruption and loss of revenue / reputation to the company. Think TSB systems upgrade, lots of people inside would have seen it coming and not wanted anything to do with the project.SouthamObserver said:
That’s not how it works in my experience. There are always people who will do what is asked of them, so sometimes its best to register your scepticism then go through to the end to mitigate the damage and then be around to ensure the right lessons are learned. Marketing is one area where this can actually be quite a valuable exercise.rcs1000 said:
If asked to join an obviously doomed project, you have to say no, no matter how much the CEO begs you.MaxPB said:
Yup, get on the right side of the right people, that's always the game plan at any company. Also, learn when and how to say no to senior management. Those are my two tips for getting ahead in life.rcs1000 said:
It's also fundamentally bullshit. Almost everyone I know who's successfully climbed the greasy poll, whether at Goldman or anywhere else, has done it by assiduously courting favour with the right people.Alistair said:If you play office politics, you will be discovered and immediately binned.
Is the quote of a man who is an idiot. The point of office politics is you don't detect it. It is done in secret.
This is the kind of empty platitude that some says to look tough and on the ball but there is absolutely zero to back it up.
That's office politics.0 -
Worrying news to wake up to, Strange to miss the relative peace of 2019 already.
It is going to be fascinating to see how Boris reacts.0 -
I imagine Netanyahu will be fine with it given the forthcoming election and the political deadlock in Israel. It may make a lot of voters think twice about a change of government.ydoethur said:
I'm wondering what he's told the Israelis as well. This is going to lead to an upsurge in violence from Hamas and if they didn't have advanced warning they're not going to be happy.SouthamObserver said:If Trump has done this without Putin’s approval things could get very tricky for him.
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I wonder if in Cummings we are seeing an ego running out of control. The signs are certainly there. Guy obviously thinks he's the bees knees. One must hope that "Boris" does not let him run riot.rottenborough said:What authority does Cummings have to run recruitment for the Civil Service?
If I was the HR director I would be on the war path tonight.0 -
You delete “short of actual help”.....ydoethur said:
And what should he give to Trump?CarlottaVance said:
I trust he extends to our noble American allies every assistance.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
Although will the lure of a Trump trade deal be a siren call?
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Thankfully, I have never been involved in an IT project or similar - and never will be. I just get to moan about them!!Sandpit said:
With more technical projects, it’s usually poison to have been involved with them, as failure usually equates with disruption and loss of revenue / reputation to the company. Think TSB systems upgrade, lots of people inside would have seen it coming and not wanted anything to do with the project.SouthamObserver said:
That’s not how it works in my experience. There are always people who will do what is asked of them, so sometimes its best to register your scepticism then go through to the end to mitigate the damage and then be around to ensure the right lessons are learned. Marketing is one area where this can actually be quite a valuable exercise.rcs1000 said:
If asked to join an obviously doomed project, you have to say no, no matter how much the CEO begs you.MaxPB said:
Yup, get on the right side of the right people, that's always the game plan at any company. Also, learn when and how to say no to senior management. Those are my two tips for getting ahead in life.rcs1000 said:
It's also fundamentally bullshit. Almost everyone I know who's successfully climbed the greasy poll, whether at Goldman or anywhere else, has done it by assiduously courting favour with the right people.Alistair said:If you play office politics, you will be discovered and immediately binned.
Is the quote of a man who is an idiot. The point of office politics is you don't detect it. It is done in secret.
This is the kind of empty platitude that some says to look tough and on the ball but there is absolutely zero to back it up.
That's office politics.
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I think that’s rather unfair. I work with many maladjusted 15 year olds and none of them are as bad as Trump.kinabalu said:
Yes. And with the motive usually petty and personal. Essentially we have a maladjusted 15 year old holding the World's highest elected office. Hopefully just 12 more months of this bizarre and precarious state of affairs to get through but one rather wishes it were shorter.speedy2 said:Lots of isolated decisions without strategy.
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There aren’t that many of them left and most of them have spent the last week in hiding.Nigelb said:
And yet it is entirely possible that Iraq will ask US troops to leave as a result.MarqueeMark said:
America invested a huge amount of blood and treasure to put Iraq in its orbit. It has sent a message in stark terms that Iran can forget about prising it away......OldKingCole said:Well, how would you describe his policy?
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Well, yes. I was asking if we should give every assistance short of actual help to our ‘noble American allies,’ what should we give Trump? I thought quoting the whole thing would confuse matters.CarlottaVance said:
You delete “short of actual help”.....ydoethur said:
And what should he give to Trump?CarlottaVance said:
I trust he extends to our noble American allies every assistance.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
Although will the lure of a Trump trade deal be a siren call?0 -
Around 5000, I think.ydoethur said:
There aren’t that many of them left and most of them have spent the last week in hiding.Nigelb said:
And yet it is entirely possible that Iraq will ask US troops to leave as a result.MarqueeMark said:
America invested a huge amount of blood and treasure to put Iraq in its orbit. It has sent a message in stark terms that Iran can forget about prising it away......OldKingCole said:Well, how would you describe his policy?
And indeed, this is perhaps retaliation for recent attacks, rather than the centrepiece of any particular strategy.
I won’t mourn the evil fucker, but the consequences of this are unpredictable.
This is a very good profile (and notes an opportunity for rapprochement under Bush thrown away):
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An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.0
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Of which 3,000 are new arrivals to beef up security following these protests.Nigelb said:
Around 5000, I think.ydoethur said:
There aren’t that many of them left and most of them have spent the last week in hiding.Nigelb said:
And yet it is entirely possible that Iraq will ask US troops to leave as a result.MarqueeMark said:
America invested a huge amount of blood and treasure to put Iraq in its orbit. It has sent a message in stark terms that Iran can forget about prising it away......OldKingCole said:Well, how would you describe his policy?
Remind me again about the quagmire of the Middle East Trump said he was getting out of?0 -
What was this Iranian doing in Iraq ?
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Is Johnson still in his love nest? Sounds like he is needed back home.kinabalu said:
I wonder if in Cummings we are seeing an ego running out of control. The signs are certainly there. Guy obviously thinks he's the bees knees. One must hope that "Boris" does not let him run riot.rottenborough said:What authority does Cummings have to run recruitment for the Civil Service?
If I was the HR director I would be on the war path tonight.
I wonder who Cummings is backing in World War 3.
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Running proxies there as the Iranians have been doing for 15 years.TGOHF666 said:What was this Iranian doing in Iraq ?
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He won’t Russia to judgement.Foxy said:
Is Johnson still in his love nest? Sounds like he is needed back home.kinabalu said:
I wonder if in Cummings we are seeing an ego running out of control. The signs are certainly there. Guy obviously thinks he's the bees knees. One must hope that "Boris" does not let him run riot.rottenborough said:What authority does Cummings have to run recruitment for the Civil Service?
If I was the HR director I would be on the war path tonight.
I wonder who Cummings is backing in World War 3.
Edit - serious question - when Johnson is abroad, who is in charge? Is it Raab or Gove?0 -
Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.0
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Lend him some drones, or some intelligence output from the MI6 / SAS teams who are probably there anyway - but definitely stop short of committing troops or planes.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. I was asking if we should give every assistance short of actual help to our ‘noble American allies,’ what should we give Trump? I thought quoting the whole thing would confuse matters.CarlottaVance said:
You delete “short of actual help”.....ydoethur said:
And what should he give to Trump?CarlottaVance said:
I trust he extends to our noble American allies every assistance.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
Although will the lure of a Trump trade deal be a siren call?0 -
ydoethur said:
Well, yes. I was asking if we should give every assistance short of actual help to our ‘noble American allies,’ what should we give Trump? I thought quoting the whole thing would confuse matters.CarlottaVance said:
You delete “short of actual help”.....ydoethur said:
And what should he give to Trump?CarlottaVance said:
I trust he extends to our noble American allies every assistance.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
Although will the lure of a Trump trade deal be a siren call?
Of course Boris needs to keep us out of this. We may be about to find out if Boris owes Trump any favours and precisely how dependent on the USA the govt expects us to be in a post Brexit world.
An Iran US conflict would not be an ideal time to Brexit.0 -
Well significant parts of it are celebrating....WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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As TSE would almost say:SouthamObserver said:Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.
Man lifts telephone in Ukraine, people die in Baghdad.0 -
I can well believe that. The notion I cling to is that if it came to something which truly threatens WW3 there are people in Washington who would "manage" him out of it. Please nobody disabuse me of this. It's kinder to leave me with it.ydoethur said:I think that’s rather unfair. I work with many maladjusted 15 year olds and none of them are as bad as Trump.
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The Implication was he was not a noble American ally...Sandpit said:
Lend him some drones, or some intelligence output from the MI6 / SAS teams who are probably there anyway - but definitely stop short of committing troops or planes.ydoethur said:
Well, yes. I was asking if we should give every assistance short of actual help to our ‘noble American allies,’ what should we give Trump? I thought quoting the whole thing would confuse matters.CarlottaVance said:
You delete “short of actual help”.....ydoethur said:
And what should he give to Trump?CarlottaVance said:
I trust he extends to our noble American allies every assistance.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
Although will the lure of a Trump trade deal be a siren call?
It’s also rather disrespectful to refer to our intelligence officers as drones, even if some of them appear to be a bit dim.0 -
RAAF A330MRTT provided refuelling for the BARCAP on last night's jolly. UK not invited thus far.numbertwelve said:Boris would do well to stay out of any US escalation with Iran. A military intervention is the last thing he needs at this stage in his premiership.
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One does worry intensely about the Iranian response - when someone this important is taken out the fiery words may for once come close to the actual reaction. I would would not want to be American in the region.WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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The scenario in Threads was a US-Russian conflict escalating in Iran.kinabalu said:
I can well believe that. The notion I cling to is that if it came to something which truly threatens WW3 there are people in Washington who would "manage" him out of it. Please nobody disabuse me of this. It's kinder to leave me with it.ydoethur said:I think that’s rather unfair. I work with many maladjusted 15 year olds and none of them are as bad as Trump.
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Of course free of any election nonsense - Jezza will be able to mourn this chap in public.3
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Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.0 -
They celebrated on the fall of Baghdad in 2003 as well.Nigelb said:
Well significant parts of it are celebrating....WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?
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Iraq, as for a long long long long time, has no good options to pick from.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.1 -
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
So what can Iran do?0
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Foxy said:
Making an official visit. Several Iraqis were killed too.TGOHF666 said:What was this Iranian doing in Iraq ?
We’re they government officials or militia officials? All reports I’ve read said the latter.Foxy said:
Making an official visit. Several Iraqis were killed too.TGOHF666 said:What was this Iranian doing in Iraq ?
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I suspect that many of the first victims of the response will not be Americans.kle4 said:
One does worry intensely about the Iranian response - when someone this important is taken out the fiery words may for once come close to the actual reaction. I would would not want to be American in the region.WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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In Iraq, that is something of a distinction without a difference.CarlottaVance said:Foxy said:
Making an official visit. Several Iraqis were killed too.TGOHF666 said:What was this Iranian doing in Iraq ?
We’re they government officials or militia officials? All reports I’ve read said the latter.Foxy said:
Making an official visit. Several Iraqis were killed too.TGOHF666 said:What was this Iranian doing in Iraq ?
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On topic, I have a small bet on Nandy as I think there is an outside chance she comes through. However, I don't think her personality that appealing - someone on here summed it up well, saying she came across as a bit of a wet lettuce.
I wonder if the value bet at the moment might be Rayner (disclosure: I have bought some on Betfair at 60-70). The left's overwhelming aim is to keep control of the Labour party, not specifically to back a candidate. There seems to be a growing feeling RLB is not up to the task and that Starmer might come through. If that was the case, the left may decide it would be best to ditch RLB and go with Rayner who would probably stand a better chance in a contest.1 -
I guess this thing has been prepared for weeks.SouthamObserver said:Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.
The protests in Iran and Baghdad and the increasing american troop deployments provide clues that this was planned long ago, possibly since Al-Baghdadi was killed.
I don't think it's the impeachment since Trump polling wise looked good and the Senate was solid.
Most likely it was planned by some mid level staffer months ago and then Trump signed the order without reading it as usual.
Notice how there was no responce from any White House official, only from the Pentagon hours later.1 -
Actual actions will matter a lot more than personal feelings about the event, and only one of them will face any options in the matter - Corbyn is an irrelevance.TGOHF666 said:0 -
I think you're not entirely right there. The event itself is likely to be welcomed in much of the region; it's some of the immediate repercussions that will be unwelcome. Time will tell if it's a bad move in the long term.WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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I agree with you. The question is whether or not Rayner can be convinced to stand.MrEd said:On topic, I have a small bet on Nandy as I think there is an outside chance she comes through. However, I don't think her personality that appealing - someone on here summed it up well, saying she came across as a bit of a wet lettuce.
I wonder if the value bet at the moment might be Rayner (disclosure: I have bought some on Betfair at 60-70). The left's overwhelming aim is to keep control of the Labour party, not specifically to back a candidate. There seems to be a growing feeling RLB is not up to the task and that Starmer might come through. If that was the case, the left may decide it would be best to ditch RLB and go with Rayner who would probably stand a better chance in a contest.0 -
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The mind conjures images of someone speaking to someone else loudly enough to be overheard by Trump going 'of course wed like to take him down, but only a super great genius would have the balls to do it' and Trump going 'that's me! Let's do it! Take out who?'speedy2 said:
I guess this thing has been prepared for weeks.SouthamObserver said:Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.
The protests in Iran and Baghdad and the increasing american troop deployments provide clues that this was planned long ago, possibly since Al-Baghdadi was killed.
I don't think it's the impeachment since Trump polling wise looked good and the Senate was solid.
Most likely it was planned by some mid level staffer months ago and then Trump signed the order without reading it as usual.
Notice how there was no responce from any White House official, only from the Pentagon hours later.0 -
Boris has just won re election by a landslide and is not up for re election for at least 4 years, it has no effect on Boris at all and whether the assassination was advisable or not Iran is hardly a UK allyWhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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Thats likely true, and it's a question of how much worse it will get in the short term before (hopefully) its gets better. But optimism does not abound in the region though so gloominess that it will prove a bad move is understandable..Endillion said:
I think you're not entirely right there. The event itself is likely to be welcomed in much of the region; it's some of the immediate repercussions that will be unwelcome. Time will tell if it's a bad move in the long term.WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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Today is a day to be thankful that Jeremy Corbyn is not in Downing Street. It is also a day to be very concerned that Boris Johnson is. Spare a thought, too, for Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and her family. They must be sick with worry.0
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I hope to God that is not the prism through which these events are being viewed in Downing Street.HYUFD said:
Boris has just won re election by a landslide and is not up for re election for at least 4 years, it has no effect on Boris at all and advisable or not Iran is hardly a UK allyWhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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Given the mans role surely Iran wont just respond by escalating through proxies?0
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Observer, whilst that's possible there is another potential explanation. Benghazi questions over Clinton et al during the last election loomed large, and Trump might be trying to head that off by reacting to the storming of the embassy thus.0 -
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?1 -
I'd think global instability has an effect on the UK PM.HYUFD said:
Boris has just won re election by a landslide and is not up for re election for at least 4 years, it has no effect on Boris at all and whether the assassination was advisable or not Iran is hardly a UK allyWhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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I’m sorry we need a war happen, anything to stop us talking about Brexit.
A massive cavalry charge at Qom, wailing Ayatollahs in Mashhad, a large tank battle in Tehran, Hamas going apeshit, the Straits of Hormuz closed.
Plus a war in the Middle East will be good for the environment as oil supplies are reduced and we move to electric cars as a result.
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Yes, for the motive look for something ridiculous like that rather than anything to do with geopolitical calculus. Likewise if we want to stop him escalating further we must incorporate this weird but wonderful insight. We need to adopt some Dominic Cummings "off the trolley" thinking. What I would suggest is that Barack Obama is persuaded to make a big speech praising Trump for "taking no shit" from the Iranians and recommending the bombing of Tehran. That should do the trick.SouthamObserver said:Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.
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Mesa called President Trump. Mesa your humble servant...kle4 said:
The mind conjures images of someone speaking to someone else loudly enough to be overheard by Trump going 'of course wed like to take him down, but only a super great genius would have the balls to do it' and Trump going 'that's me! Let's do it! Take out who?'speedy2 said:
I guess this thing has been prepared for weeks.SouthamObserver said:Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.
The protests in Iran and Baghdad and the increasing american troop deployments provide clues that this was planned long ago, possibly since Al-Baghdadi was killed.
I don't think it's the impeachment since Trump polling wise looked good and the Senate was solid.
Most likely it was planned by some mid level staffer months ago and then Trump signed the order without reading it as usual.
Notice how there was no responce from any White House official, only from the Pentagon hours later.0 -
Utterly bizarre post.HYUFD said:
Boris has just won re election by a landslide and is not up for re election for at least 4 years, it has no effect on Boris at all and whether the assassination was advisable or not Iran is hardly a UK allyWhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
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However, what I was meaning there was that the consequences will be logically unwelcome.Endillion said:
I think you're not entirely right there. The event itself is likely to be welcomed in much of the region; it's some of the immediate repercussions that will be unwelcome. Time will tell if it's a bad move in the long term.WhisperingOracle said:An extremely unwelcome event for Johnson, but more importantly a highly unwelcome event for that entire region.
The fact that this kind of escalation may be emotionally welcome in several countries of the region is a large part of a problem, I think.0 -
If so, that’s in its own way more worrying. Planning and assessing such a drastic step should take months. It’s not something you do in five minutes in response to a few drink sodden hotheads throwing stones.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Observer, whilst that's possible there is another potential explanation. Benghazi questions over Clinton et al during the last election loomed large, and Trump might be trying to head that off by reacting to the storming of the embassy thus.0 -
Karl Rove was on Fox News last night, said we will be greeted as liberators.HYUFD said:
They have learned nothing.1 -
Hillary Clinton would be better. She could work in the words ‘my old friend Donald Trump that I did many real estate deals with’ as well, just to ram home to the Mid West just how unlike her Donald is.kinabalu said:
Yes, for the motive look for something ridiculous like that rather than anything to do with geopolitical calculus. Likewise if we want to stop him escalating further we must incorporate this weird but wonderful insight. We need to adopt some Dominic Cummings "off the trolley" thinking. What I would suggest is that Barack Obama is persuaded to make a big speech praising Trump for "taking no shit" from the Iranians and recommending the bombing of Tehran. That should do the trick.SouthamObserver said:Why has Trump done this now? Everything points to the current impeachment process. That an evil murderer has been taken out is no cause for distress, but the almost certainty that Trump has not bothered to think through the consequences of this action is a huge cause for concern. Johnson needs to be very, very careful in his reaction. Here’s hoping.
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To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
Hue are amongst the worst offenders!ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
I’m surprised you’ve not made any gags this morning about De Kock and Philander.ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
I will admit Tet, but they are not offensive.Foxy said:
Hue are amongst the worst offenders!ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
Are you paid per pun, rather than per Diem ?ydoethur said:
I will admit Tet, but they are not offensive.Foxy said:
Hue are amongst the worst offenders!ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
The cricket’s too fucking depressing right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m surprised you’ve not made any gags this morning about De Kock and Philander.ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?
At least Joe Root didn’t try to bowl again, but with him having taken Burns out before the match and Crawley out for 4 that’s not important right now.
Has Root been seen with a new leather jacket recently?0 -
Ngo.Nigelb said:
Are you paid per pun, rather than per Diem ?ydoethur said:
I will admit Tet, but they are not offensive.Foxy said:
Hue are amongst the worst offenders!ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?0 -
You appear obsessed with DC.kinabalu said:
Interesting questions, especially the one about Cummings. Can you "wargame" an actual war? Or is it only for elections?Foxy said:Is Johnson still in his love nest? Sounds like he is needed back home.
I wonder who Cummings is backing in World War 3.
During the Brexit wars we continually heard how the Uk was a tiny irrelevant nation these days and the EU was a big dawg.
I’d imagine we can therefore sit this one out as Macron , Merkel and the Iranians sit down and make peace.0 -
Does anyone want to tell him or shall we leave him foaming?
https://twitter.com/_mattmccallum/status/1213021315713699841?s=210 -
We’ll leave Matt decision up to you.TheScreamingEagles said:Does anyone want to tell him or shall we leave him foaming?
https://twitter.com/_mattmccallum/status/1213021315713699841?s=210 -
I'd have thought there's still quite a lot of play in this contest. The candidates aren't that well-known and the Labour party membership have yet to decide what they want to make their next step. Lisa Nandy would be a good choice (for my bank account as well as for the Labour party), but I'm not expecting Labour to make it.0
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A strange sense of circularity after 2003. What this does show, from Trump and a residual circle of ultra-hawks down, is that the assumption of permanently secured, global American dominance, and a global public affirming this dominance, still very much continues in some parts of the American establishment.speedy2 said:
Karl Rove was on Fox News last night, said we will be greeted as liberators.HYUFD said:
They have learned nothing.
Russia taking the manin role in the middle east, or the emerging reality of Chinese economic dominance, and many other developments of the last few years, haven't shaken these articles of faith among some.
Because America's role is not what it was, that's a dangerous mix.0 -
As I said after the World Cup final, we’ve used up all our good luck for the next decade.ydoethur said:
The cricket’s too fucking depressing right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m surprised you’ve not made any gags this morning about De Kock and Philander.ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?
At least Joe Root didn’t try to bowl again, but with him having taken Burns out before the match and Crawley out for 4 that’s not important right now.
Has Root been seen with a new leather jacket recently?
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You've perhaps written this as a piece of whimsy but in fact I can quite easily imagine that this is exactly in every detail what happened. Narcissists are easy to manipulate.kle4 said:The mind conjures images of someone speaking to someone else loudly enough to be overheard by Trump going 'of course wed like to take him down, but only a super great genius would have the balls to do it' and Trump going 'that's me! Let's do it! Take out who?'
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Agreed. I reckon a fair few on the left think Starmer is one of their own - he was in the shadow cabinet after all.AlastairMeeks said:I'd have thought there's still quite a lot of play in this contest. The candidates aren't that well-known and the Labour party membership have yet to decide what they want to make their next step. Lisa Nandy would be a good choice (for my bank account as well as for the Labour party), but I'm not expecting Labour to make it.
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The better team won the WC - nothing to do with luck. The lucky team got first use of a terrible pitch - that was the luck.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I said after the World Cup final, we’ve used up all our good luck for the next decade.ydoethur said:
The cricket’s too fucking depressing right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m surprised you’ve not made any gags this morning about De Kock and Philander.ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?
At least Joe Root didn’t try to bowl again, but with him having taken Burns out before the match and Crawley out for 4 that’s not important right now.
Has Root been seen with a new leather jacket recently?0 -
Is there a PBer who didn't briefly think to apply?CarlottaVance said:0 -
This was lucky...TGOHF666 said:
The better team won the WC - nothing to do with luck. The lucky team got first use of a terrible pitch - that was the luck.TheScreamingEagles said:
As I said after the World Cup final, we’ve used up all our good luck for the next decade.ydoethur said:
The cricket’s too fucking depressing right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m surprised you’ve not made any gags this morning about De Kock and Philander.ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?
At least Joe Root didn’t try to bowl again, but with him having taken Burns out before the match and Crawley out for 4 that’s not important right now.
Has Root been seen with a new leather jacket recently?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/48984283
Arguably the best moment of 2019.
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It’s nothing to do with luck. It’s daft management. What is Zak Crawley with 700 runs at 30 - around a quarter of them against Nottinghamshire -doing as backup opener instead of Chris Dent (1100 at 47, admittedly with quite a few against Leicestershire)? Why is Crawley not on the Lions tour working on his technique so he’s ready for number three in a couple of years? Why is football being allowed when it causes injuries? Why was Archer training when he was not fully fit? Why was he forced to bowl long spells? Why is Root still captain when he last won a series 18 months ago? Why is Bairstow the backup keeper instead of Foakes?TheScreamingEagles said:
As I said after the World Cup final, we’ve used up all our good luck for the next decade.ydoethur said:
The cricket’s too fucking depressing right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m surprised you’ve not made any gags this morning about De Kock and Philander.ydoethur said:
To be honest, Halong for them to stop as well.Foxy said:
These puns are beginning to Hanoi me.ydoethur said:
‘I came, I Sai, I gone?’Foxy said:
It already is that battlefield.speedy2 said:Iraq is about to eject all Americans out of it's country it seems:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1213007231932780545
They have no choice, they don't want their country to become a battlefield during the Iran War.
Is it helicopters from the Embassy roof time yet for the Americans in Iraq?
At least Joe Root didn’t try to bowl again, but with him having taken Burns out before the match and Crawley out for 4 that’s not important right now.
Has Root been seen with a new leather jacket recently?
These are easy decisions to make. And yet they are not being made. Silverwood was the wrong choice as coach because he’s an insider and however fine a coach he is (and his Essex record shows how good he is) he’s not making the tough calls.0
