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Means nothing. Quite a lot of us appear to have joined the site on 16th November because we were unable to access our existing accounts and had to create new ones. Most people who appeared to join on that day have actually been here for years under different names (myself included).Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
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I agree but it is not good for labour if this is true though I have no confirmation fornunu2 said:
BoJo didnt know it was fake at the time.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0 -
A suggestion for Jezza ?kle4 said:Boris should be done for littering, he clearly leaves almost all the cards behind in that Love Actually video.
But really it is genius. Not the parody, we've already seen that done in this campaign, but for having a video prominently featuring Boris where he cannot actually say something for most of it - sometimes it is a positive for him, but as in much of the campaign maybe best to limit what he says as much as possible.
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IF Pearson can prove it was fake - I have grave doubts - then yes that COULD be disastrous for Labour. COULDkjohnw1 said:
Looks like this is going to backfire spectacularly for Labour 😂Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.
But do the Tories really want the last 2 - two! - days of the campaign dominated by a story about some poor kid lying on a floor, or not, in an NHS hospital?
No. Better to let it go, take the hit, move the subject back to Brexit and Corbyn.0 -
Wow - the tedious rags supporting the antisemites are going big on attacking Boris, the others focus on completely different stories.Mysticrose said:Tomorrow's front pages are not quite so lush as the Johnson team would wish at this stage.
https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-11882667
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Find me a UK charger that will deliver that to an ePace...Fysics_Teacher said:
Energy is current times voltage times time. 90kWh means 90kW for an hour, 90kW means 375 amps at 240 volts. That’s a lot of umph.RochdalePioneers said:
I hope so. Once you have dispensed with a gearbox and had an electric transmission its hard to suffer any kind of gear changes. My problem with electric cars is:Foxy said:
A longer range than my current petrol car. A full charge is about £7, no congestion charge and emission zone charge, cheap tax, insurance and servicing. The future is electric.IshmaelZ said:
280 mile range when you have a full charge and optimal ambient temperatures.
1. Scarcity. I very much appreciate Hyundai - great cars and amazingly efficient electric drive train but 12 months wait for a car
2. Complexity. Too many competing plug types and the new CCS standard isn't standard on the (unreliable) motorway chargers
3. POWER!!! To rapid charge <90kWH batteries you need Umph. You get that from Tesla Superchargers but iffy build quality. You don't get that from most CCS chargers especially if the car is an inefficient fatty like a Jag E-Pace or Merc EQC</p>0 -
To be fair, the old gal that is the NHS has always been on its knees.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.
There are alternatives, but they cost, and not just financially, but also socially in equity of access.
BoZo has to produce his funds for the NHS and knows it. It is the staffing that is the harder issue. Training takes time, and retention is worsening. Our Spanish nurses have nearly all gone, and our new Keralan recruits are taking time to adapt, as our new Egyptian and Nigerian doctors. On retention:
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/26/nhs-england-survey-reveals-alarming-downturn-in-staff-wellbeing?__twitter_impression=true
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Just as we've been told that the Evil Tories have been plotting to sell off the NHS since Fatcha. Who knows, at some point maybe they'll actually try, but why should people listen to the warnings? After all these years of the NHS staying stubbornly in public hands, the ceaseless wailings about collapse and privatisation have more than a hint of The Boy Who Cried Wolf to them.kle4 said:
Thing is I've been told its on its knees my whole adult life. I honestly cannot tell if it is or not as a result.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.0 -
But when people find out it was faked THAT will become THE storynunu2 said:
BoJo didnt know it was fake at the time.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0 -
50 excellent contributions, that help make pb.com better than most journalism you have to pay for....Cyclefree said:
I’m not paid for my headers.Foxy said:
Lawyers are paid by the wordCyclefree said:
Not so - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/28/after-an-eventful-day-three-questions-from-cyclefree/.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
Though the few headers that I have done have been fairly long. It is hard to be concise.
It’s all for love and glory. Those who criticise should try writing some of their own. This is the 50th one I’ve done this year.6 -
What kinda car ya got, Byro?Byronic said:
Taking an Uber is not unknown in London.Benpointer said:
That's funny, @SeanT was an Uber zealot too.Byronic said:
I am due to change my car next year. I have a lease and get a new one every 2 or 3 years.Nigelb said:
2014 is nearly ancient history in EV terms. Electric vehicle technology is developing$100/kWh, according to the latest forecast from research company BloombergNEF (BNEF)...RochdalePioneers said:
I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.Foxy said:
Kia e-Niro has a 280 mile range and is highly liveable, and £34 000. Great long term test review here.IshmaelZ said:
A friend rep they had to open the windows to clear it. I will be sticking with diesel for the foreseeable.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/e-niro/long-term-reviews/kia-e-niro-2019-long-term-review
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
For the first time ever I am tempted by 1. an electric car, or 2. going without a car entirely, as I barely use my present motor, thanks to London Transport and, especially, Uber
I am spending £500 a month to own a car I drive once a fortnight. It is insane.
Sadiq Khan's psychotic jihad against Uber is probably the only thing preventing me ditching my motor altogether. Which just shows how fucking stupid his policy is. Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion. But Sadiq wants to keep polluting diesel black cabs in business. Twat.
I think I could hazard a guess..0 -
OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.0
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I'll only register that name if we lose!kle4 said:
I assume you have BluestBlue as a back up in case you get locked out again.BluerBlue said:
I was blueblue before I got locked out of my account, dummy.Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
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Mark Steel looks eerily like Keith Moon in his final yearsrottenborough said:0 -
Many of the recent joiners were victims of the Password Incident.Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
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There has been a lot of privatisation already, this thread outlines some of the problems this brings:Black_Rook said:
Just as we've been told that the Evil Tories have been plotting to sell off the NHS since Fatcha. Who knows, at some point maybe they'll actually try, but why should people listen to the warnings? After all these years of the NHS staying stubbornly in public hands, the ceaseless wailings about collapse and privatisation have more than a hint of The Boy Who Cried Wolf to them.kle4 said:
Thing is I've been told its on its knees my whole adult life. I honestly cannot tell if it is or not as a result.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.
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So who set up.this fake photo of the boy on the floor?? Is it labour lies? Perhaps Southam Observer might opine?0
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I have yet to find a car club which will tolerate the number of plants, compost bags, garden rubbish and similar - even our 7 foot Xmas tree every year - which goes into my car on a regular basis. My son once commented, while scraping off moss from the bottom of the car windows, that other people had window boxes on their houses while I had mine on my car!Cookie said:
What you need - particularly if you live in Central London - is membership of a car club. A car when you need one and only when you need one. Far more cost effective. Also particularly suitable for families with two cars on the drive for the one time every two weeks when different offspring need to be ferried to different places at the same time.Byronic said:
Taking an Uber is not unknown in London.Benpointer said:
That's funny, @SeanT was an Uber zealot too.Byronic said:
I am due to change my car next year. I have a lease and get a new one every 2 or 3 years.Nigelb said:RochdalePioneers said:Foxy said:IshmaelZ said:Casino_Royale said:Pulpstar said:
For the first time ever I am tempted by 1. an electric car, or 2. going without a car entirely, as I barely use my present motor, thanks to London Transport and, especially, Uber
I am spending £500 a month to own a car I drive once a fortnight. It is insane.
Sadiq Khan's psychotic jihad against Uber is probably the only thing preventing me ditching my motor altogether. Which just shows how fucking stupid his policy is. Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion. But Sadiq wants to keep polluting diesel black cabs in business. Twat.
It does mean you have to stop using your car as a spare room to house all the stuff which needs a home somewhere but doesn't yet have one.0 -
I know it is impressive to get a lot of people out like that, and therefore it is easy to get very excited and swept up in it all, but any politician or party activist like Jones knows that good crowds, lots of campaigners, even the more passionate campaign, do not always mean much of anything. In Putney things are obviously close, but when activists like Jones talk about the ridiculously incredible feeling of such events do they really believe it?rottenborough said:0 -
All my gay male friends would happily engage in physical activities with him😂viewcode said:
He's pretty, but not sexy. He is well-groomed, which is often necessary but rarely sufficient.RochdalePioneers said:Boys/Girls - am I really the only person here who thinks Chuka is lush...?
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It's complete BS repeated at every election by Labour supporters and members, and they know it's BS. So that makes them all liars.Black_Rook said:Just as we've been told that the Evil Tories have been plotting to sell off the NHS since Fatcha. Who knows, at some point maybe they'll actually try, but why should people listen to the warnings? After all these years of the NHS staying stubbornly in public hands, the ceaseless wailings about collapse and privatisation have more than a hint of The Boy Who Cried Wolf to them.
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A few years ago, the Kings Fund did a paper pointing out that (from memory) the NHS internal rate of inflation was 2-4% higher per year than RPI. No general taxation based funding mechanism can keep up with that without seriously impacting other spending areas. We need to look at the services offered and prioritisation mechanisms. Give local voters the power to set the priorities for the budgets in their areas. Draw a line where the money stops and anything below the line is not available in that area. Hard BUT local people will have chosen.BluerBlue said:
Then journalists should ask specific questions of fact about treatment standards, about the government's record of investment and its future plans, not gurning trying to create viral gotchas for 15 minutes of fame.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.
And I'd like to know - how many points? How many seats?1 -
Went from Amsterdam to Heidelberg in a Tesla. Stopped twice for a supercharge. Very easy.rcs1000 said:
I owned the original Tesla Roadster. When I bought it, the idea of an electric vehicle that could do 220 miles on a charge (180 in reality) was extraordinary.squareroot2 said:
I won't buy one.... even 15 mins is too long...squareroot2 said:Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
The reality is that when you have an electric car, you plug it in when you get home (or if you want the electric car parking spot at the supermarket which the shorter walk).
Your car is essentially always "full" of electricity. And I can count on the fingers of no hands the number of times I did a 200 mile journey in a day.
With the latest Teslas, you can get up to 373 miles. That's comfortably more than London to Newcastle. 90% of people will go a whole year without doing a single journey 350 mile one day trip.
So the reality is that, with electric cars, you typically spend no time at all charging.
The future.0 -
I suppose to be fair the front of the Metro is unhelpful to the Tories, but yes the remainder of them are preaching to the converted.BluerBlue said:
Wow - the tedious rags supporting the antisemites are going big on attacking Boris, the others focus on completely different stories.Mysticrose said:Tomorrow's front pages are not quite so lush as the Johnson team would wish at this stage.
https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-11882667
Never saw that one coming.0 -
Ironically, big Volvos are heavily associated with the Swedish Social Democratic Party in the country of origin. Ironic because huge chunks of Labour’s manifesto are clearly nicked from the Nordics, primarily Sweden.Mexicanpete said:I had a 2014 Nissan Leaf. Poor car (in terms of ergonomics). Poor electric car (range, charging speed). Quite happy in my diseasal Volvo S90. Or would be had it not demolished a Ford Fiesta last month and been replaced by an insurance V90 petrol that (yay) is turbo and supercharged but (boo) drinks unleaded like its going out of business.
I think a big Volvo is exactly the kind of car that McDonnell wants to tax out of existence.
In Swedish, a big, square Volvo used to be widely referred to as a “sossecontainer”: a Social Democrat Container. Which is also ironic, as the same vehicles were considered posh in other markets, eg England.
(Sister has a Nissan Leaf: f...ing awful thing.)0 -
You're welcome to call Metro a "tedious rag supporting the antisemites" if you like, but it's probably the most significant newspaper among swing voters, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯BluerBlue said:
Wow - the tedious rags supporting the antisemites are going big on attacking Boris, the others focus on completely different stories.Mysticrose said:Tomorrow's front pages are not quite so lush as the Johnson team would wish at this stage.
https://news.sky.com/story/tuesdays-national-newspaper-front-pages-11882667
Never saw that one coming.0 -
If I wanted someone to take up the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of fair play on my behalf, I wouldn't start with the Tele or Pearson.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.3 -
I think BluerBlue is the not-that-hard-to-work-out new name of the previous poster BlueBlue.StevenWhaley said:
Means nothing. Quite a lot of us appear to have joined the site on 16th November because we were unable to access our existing accounts and had to create new ones. Most people who appeared to join on that day have actually been here for years under different names (myself included).Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
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There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:1 -
Yep. They will gain 3 seats in London and lose 40 in the north/midlandsrottenborough said:1 -
His reaction is not too bad if you see the whole video: but that doesn’t matter because it’s not what most people pick up in the 30 seconds they have to look at it.nunu2 said:
BoJo didnt know it was fake at the time.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.
In the same way IF it turns out to have been made up (and I’m not convinced of that) THEN it won’t matter what his original reaction was as people will just think he was unfairly treated.
In either case I doubt it will shift enough votes to change a single seat, unless there are any with single digit majorities again.1 -
I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
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Probably not less than a decade.Cookie said:
I predict a decade. Less.Nigelb said:
That’s not a particularly bold prediction.rcs1000 said:
This is a normal technology adoption curve. Early adopters pay up, and this means that the work gets done to drive costs down.Casino_Royale said:
Electric vehicles need to be 30-40k, not 60-70k, and there need to be lots of 15 mins or less charging points *everywhere*.Pulpstar said:Today's most striking statistic is that SUVs are outselling electric vehicles 37 to 1 !
Then, they will sell.
Here's a bold prediction: within 20 years, 85% of vehicles sold with be completely electric. Simply, at a certain point they will be meaningfully cheaper to buy and to own.
A decade might be.
A couple of days ago Labour promised that all buses would be electric within a decade. Well great. But I'd be very surprised if that doesn't happen anyway with either minimal state nudging or simply through market forces.
Incidentally, many transport futurologists predict that self-driving cars will be the norm by the time the decade is out. Thus, no-one will own a car; you will hail one in the same way that you hail an uber and it will turn up and take you to your destination. Or to your public transport node to connect to a train to take you to your destination, depending on what you need and what you want to pay.
I could go on at some length about all of this if anyone is interested...
It will take quite a while to build sufficient battery plants, finance them, etc. it is a huge undertaking. And the major legacy manufacturers will drag their heels as much as they are able. They will lose the battle, of course, but it will take a little time.
And thus far, none of the new gigafactories are planned in the UK.0 -
Boris should do Andrew Neil - but only answering with cards held up.....Nigelb said:
A suggestion for Jezza ?kle4 said:Boris should be done for littering, he clearly leaves almost all the cards behind in that Love Actually video.
But really it is genius. Not the parody, we've already seen that done in this campaign, but for having a video prominently featuring Boris where he cannot actually say something for most of it - sometimes it is a positive for him, but as in much of the campaign maybe best to limit what he says as much as possible.
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True. But it is an impressive turnout. Is there a record for this type of thing?HYUFD said:
There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:0 -
Boy on the floor 1, Love Actually 4RochdalePioneers said:OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.
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Indeed but both Jamie and one of his team have told me they are not at all confident and neither is the sort of person to say something for effect or false expectationrcs1000 said:
Although weren't you very pessimistic about LD chances in your constituency in 2017?NorthCadboll said:
Indeed I have now had 14 election communications from the Liberals begging me to lend them my vote. Their problem is I voted for Andrew Sinclair last week. SNP sources suggesting it is Andrew who is now challenging them not Jamie who they say is in 3rd place. Just over 72 hours until we know!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
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I expect the telegraph will have a fully researched and provable editorial in wednesday paper out tomorrow night for the paper reviewssquareroot2 said:So who set up.this fake photo of the boy on the floor?? Is it labour lies? Perhaps Southam Observer might opine?
If it can be stood up and is shared by other media establishments it could make wednesday an eventful last day of campaigning
However, it may just as easily be dropped
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It actually made me a bit sick but then I’m a bloke who has never seen the film and yet is still voting Tory. Well it wasn’t enough to lose my vote at least! But yes CCHQ has done very well, compare to Jezza mean tweets which is an idea from a US chat show and you can see the different demographics they are gunning for.RochdalePioneers said:OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.
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I'm out Bi rather than Gay. But yes...NorthCadboll said:
All my gay male friends would happily engage in physical activities with him😂viewcode said:
He's pretty, but not sexy. He is well-groomed, which is often necessary but rarely sufficient.RochdalePioneers said:Boys/Girls - am I really the only person here who thinks Chuka is lush...?
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Is the Labour party finished if they lose 40 in North/Midlands?nunu2 said:
Yep. They will gain 3 seats in London and lose 40 in the north/midlandsrottenborough said:0 -
The 3 or so times I've heard Jardine on the radio during the campaign she's come across terribly, smug, condescending with a hint of simmering anger.Alistair said:
I genuinely don't understand how Ed West is apparently down to the wire - that is what I am hearing too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
LDs actually increased vote in 2015, just got overtaken by the SNP surge.
Absolutely demolished the opposition at the council elections in Almond Ward, if they had put up 3 candidates they would have al got in.
I feel I have just totally mischaracterised the nature of EdWest Tory voters. Also the residual Lab vote must have evaporated and gone SNP.
Frustrating betting experience.2 -
Thank you very much. Most kind of you.MarqueeMark said:
50 excellent contributions, that help make pb.com better than most journalism you have to pay for....Cyclefree said:
I’m not paid for my headers.Foxy said:
Lawyers are paid by the wordCyclefree said:
Not so - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/28/after-an-eventful-day-three-questions-from-cyclefree/.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
Though the few headers that I have done have been fairly long. It is hard to be concise.
It’s all for love and glory. Those who criticise should try writing some of their own. This is the 50th one I’ve done this year.2 -
Most of this Momentum activity is in London, it is the likes of Grimsby, Bolsover, Vale of Clwyd and other Labour Leave seats north of Watford Labour really needs to be in at the moment en masse to prevent a Tory majority given current polls, not targeting a handful of Tory held London seatsrottenborough said:
True. But it is an impressive turnout. Is there a record for this type of thing?HYUFD said:
There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:2 -
Thank you. I like to think my name is one of the most transparent and self-explanatory on PB!Cookie said:
I think BluerBlue is the not-that-hard-to-work-out new name of the previous poster BlueBlue.StevenWhaley said:
Means nothing. Quite a lot of us appear to have joined the site on 16th November because we were unable to access our existing accounts and had to create new ones. Most people who appeared to join on that day have actually been here for years under different names (myself included).Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
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Haven't looked yet, but has Brendan done his piece about how the 'metropolitan liberal elite' have 'sunk to a new low' by making political hay out of a sick child?0
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Yes, she's a Scottish Liberal DemocratTheuniondivvie said:
The 3 or so times I've heard Jardine on the radio during the campaign she's come across terribly, smug, condescending with a hint of simmering anger.Alistair said:
I genuinely don't understand how Ed West is apparently down to the wire - that is what I am hearing too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
LDs actually increased vote in 2015, just got overtaken by the SNP surge.
Absolutely demolished the opposition at the council elections in Almond Ward, if they had put up 3 candidates they would have al got in.
I feel I have just totally mischaracterised the nature of EdWest Tory voters. Also the residual Lab vote must have evaporated and gone SNP.
Frustrating betting experience.
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Hear hear!MarqueeMark said:
50 excellent contributions, that help make pb.com better than most journalism you have to pay for....Cyclefree said:
I’m not paid for my headers.Foxy said:
Lawyers are paid by the wordCyclefree said:
Not so - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/28/after-an-eventful-day-three-questions-from-cyclefree/.PeterMannion said:
Same as all cyclefree threads I'm afraidsquareroot2 said:I saw thr thread header. I.lost the will to read it.. far too long...
Though the few headers that I have done have been fairly long. It is hard to be concise.
It’s all for love and glory. Those who criticise should try writing some of their own. This is the 50th one I’ve done this year.1 -
There is a city in Canada which has decided to do all its public transport using Uber. It's not working that well - though to be fair, public transport wasn't working that well either - it was one of those low-density medium-sized towns which are hard to serve with public transport.Alistair said:
All research points to Uber increasing the number of cars on the roads of cities it operates in.Byronic said:Uber will kill car ownership, given time, which reduced pollution and congestion.
Uber is just VC funded mini cabs, they are not magic.
The problem with Ubers for everything is when they are used for single occupancy trips they create just as much congestion as people driving - indeed, slightly more. However, they can be a really good solution for first/last mile trips to rapid transit nodes, which also increases the viability of providing rapid transit, because far more people can access it. Thus, significant attractors like city centres at peak hours are best served using high volume mass transit. Meanwhile, Uber and the like does a good job of serving the trips which public transport can't do well - dispersed, low attractor, orbital routes.0 -
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Nah. They can bounce back.rottenborough said:
Is the Labour party finished if they lose 40 in North/Midlands?nunu2 said:
Yep. They will gain 3 seats in London and lose 40 in the north/midlandsrottenborough said:0 -
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It says something about the impact of Love Actually that when I was in the room while it was being played for the first time ever a week or so ago, I feel like i'd already seen about 70% of the film from parodies and memes over the years.0
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Like a Lib DemTheuniondivvie said:
The 3 or so times I've heard Jardine on the radio during the campaign she's come across terribly, smug, condescending with a hint of simmering anger.Alistair said:
I genuinely don't understand how Ed West is apparently down to the wire - that is what I am hearing too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
LDs actually increased vote in 2015, just got overtaken by the SNP surge.
Absolutely demolished the opposition at the council elections in Almond Ward, if they had put up 3 candidates they would have al got in.
I feel I have just totally mischaracterised the nature of EdWest Tory voters. Also the residual Lab vote must have evaporated and gone SNP.
Frustrating betting experience.1 -
But its proper grim up north....and full of racist Leavers.HYUFD said:
Most of this Momentum activity is in London, it is the likes of Grimsby, Bolsover, Vale of Clwyd and other Labour Leave seats north of Watford Labour really needs to be in at the moment en masse to prevent a Tory majority given current polls, not targeting a handful of Tory held London seatsrottenborough said:
True. But it is an impressive turnout. Is there a record for this type of thing?HYUFD said:
There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:1 -
Unfortunately I didn't think to grab an actually decent handle when there was the shift from discuss, and not everyone can pull an antifrank and get theirs changed.BluerBlue said:
Thank you. I like to think my name is one of the most transparent and self-explanatory on PB!Cookie said:
I think BluerBlue is the not-that-hard-to-work-out new name of the previous poster BlueBlue.StevenWhaley said:
Means nothing. Quite a lot of us appear to have joined the site on 16th November because we were unable to access our existing accounts and had to create new ones. Most people who appeared to join on that day have actually been here for years under different names (myself included).Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
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Labour drifting in Sedgefield (Tony Blair’s old seat):
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There's a fairly big difference between being against something and wanting its proponents dead.Alistair said:PB - where people are glad to hear a holocaust denier is still alive then castigate Labour for anti-Semitism in the he next post.
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He's alive.kjohnw1 said:
Stuart Dickson said he was yesterday . Is he or isn’t he?Pulpstar said:Rod Crosby is definitely NOT dead btw.
On an unrelated note here's a psephological observation...
looks like FPTP has broken down again. As far as the Lab/Con battle goes (whether or not Johnson gets a majority) it seems FPTP is now approaching a PR system. [Forget the cube law, forget the square law, it now looks like about 7 seats (just over 1%) will change hands for every unit of swing...]0 -
Gain 3 in London? Not net as they will lose Kensington and I cannot see 4 Tory to Lab seats. Putney, Chipping Barnet, Harrow East and Chingford are each possible, but all 4 most unlikely.nunu2 said:
Yep. They will gain 3 seats in London and lose 40 in the north/midlandsrottenborough said:1 -
That's very good.ExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
You can't imagine any previous PM doing that and getting away with it. He really is a most singular individual.1 -
Even the best bands / artists have to have some new material when they do their "past our bests but need our ego stroking world tours"...Floater said:0 -
Feels like Owen's mob handed canvassers are treating it all like a day out rather than work. It would explain some of the reports back on social media.FrancisUrquhart said:
But its proper grim up north....and full of racist Leavers.HYUFD said:
Most of this Momentum activity is in London, it is the likes of Grimsby, Bolsover, Vale of Clwyd and other Labour Leave seats north of Watford Labour really needs to be in at the moment en masse to prevent a Tory majority given current polls, not targeting a handful of Tory held London seatsrottenborough said:
True. But it is an impressive turnout. Is there a record for this type of thing?HYUFD said:
There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:1 -
Just seen the "Brexit Actually" ad from Boris
The only ad I have watched and it really is rather different and good.0 -
Rather depends if the alternatives are Goebbels or Beria.Theuniondivvie said:
If I wanted someone to take up the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of fair play on my behalf, I wouldn't start with the Tele or Pearson.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is not over yet
Looks like the Telegraph are going to make an issue of it
Allison Pearson
So I have detailed explanation from paediatric nurses explaining why photo of child on the floor is “100% faked”. I will put in @Telegraph on Weds. Stage a photo. Cause outrage. Castigate people who doubt it for showing insufficient compassion. Jesus.0 -
Poll due, or are you just anticipating a random wobble?noisywinter said:3...2...1...
Francis: 'Tories drifting on betfair...' 0 -
It's going viral. Clever stuffExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
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I thought it was even more effing creepy than the original movie.Brom said:
It actually made me a bit sick but then I’m a bloke who has never seen the film and yet is still voting Tory. Well it wasn’t enough to lose my vote at least! But yes CCHQ has done very well, compare to Jezza mean tweets which is an idea from a US chat show and you can see the different demographics they are gunning for.RochdalePioneers said:OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.
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It's genius. Though it would have been more powerful, I think, if he had walked off at the end without adding anything. Nothing more needed to be said.Brom said:
It actually made me a bit sick but then I’m a bloke who has never seen the film and yet is still voting Tory. Well it wasn’t enough to lose my vote at least! But yes CCHQ has done very well, compare to Jezza mean tweets which is an idea from a US chat show and you can see the different demographics they are gunning for.RochdalePioneers said:OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.
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True!AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she's a Scottish Liberal DemocratTheuniondivvie said:
The 3 or so times I've heard Jardine on the radio during the campaign she's come across terribly, smug, condescending with a hint of simmering anger.Alistair said:
I genuinely don't understand how Ed West is apparently down to the wire - that is what I am hearing too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
O&S is nailed onkle4 said:
While I doubt the fevered excitement some are having for Boris's gaffes or poor word choices today will be bourne out, I do wonder why they are changing strategy now to make him much more prominent. To my surprise the cautious, restricted approach was working, why risk that on the assumption the red wall was crumbling and Boris was the man to knock it down, when it was apparenetly shaky enough without him plastering his face on the telly in more prominent ways, and ways that might arise from him cocking up?Richard_Tyndall said:
You can see why they have tried to keep him in a box for so long. He really doesn't have any sense of what he is saying.Alistair said:Boris comes out in favour of unrestricted immigration
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1204042408457121793?s=19
They seem to be predicted to get anything from 1-5 in Scotland, even with an increase in vote.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Interesting, they're certainly in difficulty in the Scottish seats that they hold, from what I'm hearing.MarqueeMark said:
Bears out what I have been hearing (and sharing here) about the LibDem "surge" running out of steam and retreating in London/SE England.HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:Kensington Constituency Voting Intention:
CON: 39% (+3)
LAB: 29% (+2)
LDM: 27% (-6)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (New)
Via @DeltapollUK, 4-8 Dec.
Changes w/ 7-13 Nov.
Gyimah collapsed to third, looks like Felicity Buchan will gain Kensington back for the Tories
They might yet be in trouble holding on elsewhere.....
Caithness has gone, from what I hear
Hearing NE Fife swing to SNP
East Dunbartonshire unknown
Edinburgh West on a knife edge
LDs actually increased vote in 2015, just got overtaken by the SNP surge.
Absolutely demolished the opposition at the council elections in Almond Ward, if they had put up 3 candidates they would have al got in.
I feel I have just totally mischaracterised the nature of EdWest Tory voters. Also the residual Lab vote must have evaporated and gone SNP.
Frustrating betting experience.
I think Michael Moore was the last Scotch LD I thought was ok.0 -
GP's are private providersFoxy said:
There has been a lot of privatisation already, this thread outlines some of the problems this brings:Black_Rook said:
Just as we've been told that the Evil Tories have been plotting to sell off the NHS since Fatcha. Who knows, at some point maybe they'll actually try, but why should people listen to the warnings? After all these years of the NHS staying stubbornly in public hands, the ceaseless wailings about collapse and privatisation have more than a hint of The Boy Who Cried Wolf to them.kle4 said:
Thing is I've been told its on its knees my whole adult life. I honestly cannot tell if it is or not as a result.Mysticrose said:
Tedious rubbish?BluerBlue said:
The NHS is on its knees. For the majority of people in this country it really really matters.
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If it’s the only one you have watched then how do you know that it is different?Floater said:Just seen the "Brexit Actually" ad from Boris
The only ad I have watched and it really is rather different and good.
Did you miss Corbyns one? -1 -
He's just copying Rosena Allin-Khan...Byronic said:
It's going viral. Clever stuffExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
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Yes, they should have sown Boris's lips up - it would have been a classic horror moment.Nigelb said:
I thought it was even more effing creepy than the original movie.Brom said:
It actually made me a bit sick but then I’m a bloke who has never seen the film and yet is still voting Tory. Well it wasn’t enough to lose my vote at least! But yes CCHQ has done very well, compare to Jezza mean tweets which is an idea from a US chat show and you can see the different demographics they are gunning for.RochdalePioneers said:OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.
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Or did he pinch the idea?Cookie said:
That's very good.ExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
You can't imagine any previous PM doing that and getting away with it. He really is a most singular individual.
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Gotta be honest as a Lib Dem the three updated constituency polls in London are really bad. Instead of squeezing the Labour vote we have gone backwards in two seats. Looks like the tactical voting message is not getting through. I am way out West so not involved in the London campaign but it does not look good for Thursday with probably only Richmond Park and just possibly Finchley & Golders Green in play.0
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If it’s the only one they’ve watched, then it is by definition different from all the others.KeithJenner said:
If it’s the only one you have watched then how do you know that it is different?Floater said:Just seen the "Brexit Actually" ad from Boris
The only ad I have watched and it really is rather different and good.
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It's a good question. How much are either Labour or the Conservatives kept afloat because they're the only game in town on either side that could win a majority? What happens when that's no longer the case?rottenborough said:
Is the Labour party finished if they lose 40 in North/Midlands?nunu2 said:
Yep. They will gain 3 seats in London and lose 40 in the north/midlandsrottenborough said:1 -
As I said down-thread, people that loathe Boris will loathe this times a million, Like you.Nigelb said:
I thought it was even more effing creepy than the original movie.Brom said:
It actually made me a bit sick but then I’m a bloke who has never seen the film and yet is still voting Tory. Well it wasn’t enough to lose my vote at least! But yes CCHQ has done very well, compare to Jezza mean tweets which is an idea from a US chat show and you can see the different demographics they are gunning for.RochdalePioneers said:OK. That Johnson Love Actually Video. Park your personal opinions and respect the craft. That is *sensational* politics. Genuinely the best thing in this campaign. And to swing voters in a fuckton of seats that will pull on the heartstrings just as much as the boy on the hospital floor would the opposite way.
This is aimed at swing voters, doubters, and, especially, women. To make him look lonely and a bit vulnerable, but on our side. Meta-Churchillian.
It does that superbly. I wonder if they have been saving this for a really bad day of the campaign. Hence, today.0 -
But he is better at itBenpointer said:
He's just copying Rosena Allin-Khan...Byronic said:
It's going viral. Clever stuffExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
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I'm sure he did copy it, what of it? Who's first doesn't matter.Foxy said:
Or did he pinch the idea?Cookie said:
That's very good.ExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
You can't imagine any previous PM doing that and getting away with it. He really is a most singular individual.
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Presumably the ICM 6% lead. What was the other one? (I've been out all day)RobD said:Updated chart with the two good polls for Labour:
https://imgur.com/7agnQoq
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Well there certainly aren't 700 Labour volunteers in my key marginal.rottenborough said:0 -
It should give the Tories confidence they will end the 6 week period exactly where they started it (with a 10 point average lead), so very different from the 9 points May supposedly lost in 2017. I think CCHQ would have bitten your hand off for this position providing their internal polling suggests the same.RobD said:Updated chart with the two good polls for Labour:
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I'm 120 miles north of London. I've never seen a turnout of Labour helpers in my life. Not saying that it'll make a difference, but it's quite extraordinary, and I'm aware of similar numbers being flung at the red wall seats.HYUFD said:
Most of this Momentum activity is in London, it is the likes of Grimsby, Bolsover, Vale of Clwyd and other Labour Leave seats north of Watford Labour really needs to be in at the moment en masse to prevent a Tory majority given current polls, not targeting a handful of Tory held London seatsrottenborough said:
True. But it is an impressive turnout. Is there a record for this type of thing?HYUFD said:
There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:0 -
Was that the shift to all out argument ?kle4 said:
Unfortunately I didn't think to grab an actually decent handle when there was the shift from discuss...BluerBlue said:
Thank you. I like to think my name is one of the most transparent and self-explanatory on PB!Cookie said:
I think BluerBlue is the not-that-hard-to-work-out new name of the previous poster BlueBlue.StevenWhaley said:
Means nothing. Quite a lot of us appear to have joined the site on 16th November because we were unable to access our existing accounts and had to create new ones. Most people who appeared to join on that day have actually been here for years under different names (myself included).Mysticrose said:
BluerBlue joined this site on Nov 16th.BluerBlue said:
There was another one of those I discovered this morning.
Hmmm ...
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My assumption when I first saw it was that they were copying from that one. However, with a Christmas election it isn’t such a surprising idea. I suppose it is possible that it was always in the plan.Foxy said:
Or did he pinch the idea?Cookie said:
That's very good.ExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
You can't imagine any previous PM doing that and getting away with it. He really is a most singular individual.
https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1204159103318274053?s=19
I’d like to think it was, to be honest. Imagine how annoyed Cummings and the team must have been when they saw it.0 -
You can't steal a parody. lol. It's like a robber complaining their haul got burgled.kle4 said:
I'm sure he did copy it, what of it? Who's first doesn't matter.Foxy said:
Or did he pinch the idea?Cookie said:
That's very good.ExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
You can't imagine any previous PM doing that and getting away with it. He really is a most singular individual.
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As a non canvasser can a mass of people door knocking on a Monday night really be that beneficial, or will it be mainly posting leaflets? As a 9-5 worker I don’t think I’d want a conversation on my doorstep with an activist of any sort with the exception of a weekend afternoon.NickPalmer said:
I'm 120 miles north of London. I've never seen a turnout of Labour helpers in my life. Not saying that it'll make a difference, but it's quite extraordinary, and I'm aware of similar numbers being flung at the red wall seats.HYUFD said:
Most of this Momentum activity is in London, it is the likes of Grimsby, Bolsover, Vale of Clwyd and other Labour Leave seats north of Watford Labour really needs to be in at the moment en masse to prevent a Tory majority given current polls, not targeting a handful of Tory held London seatsrottenborough said:
True. But it is an impressive turnout. Is there a record for this type of thing?HYUFD said:
There are 65,000 electors in Putney, most of whom probably will not take too kindly to their street being flooded with Momentum activists when they are cooking the dinnerrottenborough said:0 -
The Tories lied again. I’m sure the Tories here will explain it away somehow.0
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Blimey any twit can flip a few cards. Even I could do it I reckon!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But he is better at itBenpointer said:
He's just copying Rosena Allin-Khan...Byronic said:
It's going viral. Clever stuffExiledInScotland said:I half expected there to be a P.S. card saying meet me in Room X at the hotel round the corner in 10 minutes...
https://youtu.be/nj-YK3JJCIU
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Can't even be bothered. Playing fair against people who want to destroy the country would be an act of criminal negligence.CorrectHorseBattery said:The Tories lied again. I’m sure the Tories here will explain it away somehow.
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You've got to be more specific. We tell so many you see.CorrectHorseBattery said:The Tories lied again. I’m sure the Tories here will explain it away somehow.
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