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Would it be fair to sum up today's events in that the ICM Tory lead lacks "punch"?1
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Having lived in Wales, I am not disputing that. It’s just bizarre though that anyone could think Hancock is capable of running anything more complex than a lucky dip.Brom said:
That’s a bit strong, we know the NHS under Labour in Wales is worse than the Tory run NHS in Englandydoethur said:
Much though I detest Corbyn, it is a source of genuine amazement to me that anyone could think Hancock would be better at running the Health Service than Ashworth.Big_G_NorthWales said:And on the NHS
Matthew Goodwin tweeted
Awkward numbers for Labour
"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS1 -
Certainly no sign of a 'thumping' victory.Sunil_Prasannan said:Would it be fair to sum up today's events in that the ICM Tory lead lacks "punch"?
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Johnson wasn’t a hit today.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Certainly no sign of a 'thumping' victory.Sunil_Prasannan said:Would it be fair to sum up today's events in that the ICM Tory lead lacks "punch"?
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Just as Jack Merritt's weren't happy about "Boris" politicising their son's death. They were deeply unhappy in fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
Did this stop the ghastly man doing it? Not on your nelly.
Did PB Tories condemn him for this? Nope. I don't believe many did.0 -
So the 2 polls with the latest fieldwork have the lead at 6% and 7% and NOM was available after the former was out at 5.10
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Yes, I’ve been out for 4-6 weeks with a very nasty one.Andy_JS said:O/T
Has anyone else been hit by the worst cold they've had for many years? I certainly have. Normally I get rid of them after 4 or 5 days but this one's been going on for about 10 days. Not good timing as far as election night is concerned.
My daughter was hospitalised for a night with bronciolitis too, and still has a cold.0 -
The taking of the phone was an involuntary tell. A moment’s glimpse into Johnson’s pitch black soul.nico67 said:The taking the phone isn’t a huge deal , it’s just silly . The bit where Bozo says he’s giving an interview and basically doesn’t want to seem to talk about the boy , it just looks very dismissive as if he doesn’t care .
This isnt going to be a game changer but it’s a gift to Labour in those Leave areas where Labour Leavers tend to be more worried about public services .0 -
But the show no change, so there’s no momentum either way.bigjohnowls said:So the 2 polls with the latest fieldwork have the lead at 6% and 7% and NOM was available after the former was out at 5.1
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Exactly.TOPPING said:
The phone could have been set up to show anything. Fuck the Queen. Boris inflagrante. Or whatever. cf May being handed the papers at conference.NorthofStoke said:Having read various descriptions of the interview and the incident I didn't think the interview was as damaging for Johnson as I expected it to be. Obviously a graphic example of queuing in A&E is bad for the Tories but all elections have these sort of events (Jennifer's ear?). Johnson didn't handle the interview particularly well but ambushing a politician with a sodding photo on a mobile phone is not really on. Horrible emotionalism plus expecting someone to peer at the screen during an interview... How would an undecided voter react to both videos? Marginally against the Tories perhaps although the unpleasant heckling of the second might wipe out the impact of the first if both were viewed.
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PPE Oxon, Economics Cantab. How did he get into Oxbridge twice then complete two degrees? I'm sure the guy we see every day must be a doppelganger.ydoethur said:
Having lived in Wales, I am not disputing that. It’s just bizarre though that anyone could think Hancock is capable of running anything more complex than a lucky dip.Brom said:
That’s a bit strong, we know the NHS under Labour in Wales is worse than the Tory run NHS in Englandydoethur said:
Much though I detest Corbyn, it is a source of genuine amazement to me that anyone could think Hancock would be better at running the Health Service than Ashworth.Big_G_NorthWales said:And on the NHS
Matthew Goodwin tweeted
Awkward numbers for Labour
"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS0 -
Is it time to get my savings converted into foreign currency0
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Thanks - someone has been helpful enough to post a quotation now, which makes it quite clear that it wasn't the Labour Party the mother was unhappy with, as your comments implied.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You are perfectly free to play back BBC newsChris said:
Can you actually quote what was said or give a link where we can read it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And BBC but please yourselfChris said:
Well, I'm not going to believe it unless some evidence is forthcoming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky reportChris said:
Can you indicate the source of your statement about the boy's parents being unhappy about his being "used," please?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because of the source it plays into the set up theory but Boris should have handled it betterydoethur said:
The Daily Mirror never makes things up. How dare you suggest such a thing?Chris said:
Perhaps Big G thinks the Mirror was making this up:Chris said:
Well, given what's just happened, you'd better quote chapter and verse, because there's a hell of a lot of disinformation emanating from the Tory side.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do not be silly. He was used and Boris did not handle it wellChris said:
The boy having to lie on the floor was a "Labour stunt"? Ye Gods.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes I do care but I can see a labour stunt a mile awaytheprof said:
But do you care? Do any Tories care?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Will not make any difference in the scheme of things. The die is cast
If they do I haven't seen it.
I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
And Sarah, who also has a daughter, says she will be switching her support from Conservative to Labour at the ballot box on Thursday.
“This will the first time in my life where I will be voting Labour” she said.
“I would like to thank the doctors and the nurses and the health care assistants because they were really good, really helpful.
“But I’m angry at the lack of funding and the lack of beds because I think that is failing our children.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/little-boy-pneumonia-forced-sleep-21053225
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One of the problems with many politicians - and in fairness, it has always been a problem - is that they care for their own advantage, not for ordinary people. Does anyone really think Corbyn cares about a child not getting treatment fast enough? Of course he doesn’t. But it’s politically useful so he’s running with it. Just as Johnson only cared about using the brutal murders of two young graduates to advance his own agenda.kinabalu said:
Just as Jack Merritt's weren't happy about "Boris" politicising their son's death. They were deeply unhappy in fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
Did this stop the ghastly man doing it? Not on your nelly.
Did PB Tories condemn him for this? Nope. I don't believe many did.
It’s a sad indictment of them as human beings.0 -
If its Tory man flu like JRM and IDS have clearly been struck down with should clear up at 10.01pm in 3 daysAndy_JS said:O/T
Has anyone else been hit by the worst cold they've had for many years? I certainly have. Normally I get rid of them after 4 or 5 days but this one's been going on for about 10 days. Not good timing as far as election night is concerned.2 -
To be fair Jack Merritt’s dad is a massive dickhead who used the death of his son to push far left views, not to mention the fact that the terrorism affected a lot more than 1 life that day.kinabalu said:
Just as Jack Merritt's weren't happy about "Boris" politicising their son's death. They were deeply unhappy in fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
Did this stop the ghastly man doing it? Not on your nelly.
Did PB Tories condemn him for this? Nope. I don't believe many did.0 -
The BBC have been largely anti Boris and pushing a hung parliament, barely even mentioning new PISA figures showing the UK rising up the rankings. Agreed an inquiry is needed, hence Boris looking to scrap the license fee and let it go subscriptionAlastairMeeks said:.
That’s nowhere near good enough. The BBC have been repeatedly played by the Conservatives during this election and have put in by a country mile their worst performance of giving appropriate coverage of the election campaign in living memory. There must be a searching inquiry when the dust has settled and major changes must be made. Some of those with the most senior editorial responsibility need to be put out to pasture.nico67 said:
Amen ! She apologized .Big_G_NorthWales said:Here you go
Laura Kunnesberg
Happy to apologiSe for earlier confusion about the punch that wasn’t a punch outside Leeds General - 2 sources suggested it had happened but clear from video that was wrong1 -
I have often had the same problem when looking at the latest car crash interview from Richard Burgon.camel said:
PPE Oxon, Economics Cantab. How did he get into Oxbridge twice then complete two degrees? I'm sure the guy we see every day must be a doppelganger.ydoethur said:
Having lived in Wales, I am not disputing that. It’s just bizarre though that anyone could think Hancock is capable of running anything more complex than a lucky dip.Brom said:
That’s a bit strong, we know the NHS under Labour in Wales is worse than the Tory run NHS in Englandydoethur said:
Much though I detest Corbyn, it is a source of genuine amazement to me that anyone could think Hancock would be better at running the Health Service than Ashworth.Big_G_NorthWales said:And on the NHS
Matthew Goodwin tweeted
Awkward numbers for Labour
"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS0 -
Jack Merritt's father was a left wing activist even before his son's tragic deathkinabalu said:
Just as Jack Merritt's weren't happy about "Boris" politicising their son's death. They were deeply unhappy in fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
Did this stop the ghastly man doing it? Not on your nelly.
Did PB Tories condemn him for this? Nope. I don't believe many did.1 -
It's sober analysis like this that keeps me coming back to PB.com.Streeter said:
The taking of the phone was an involuntary tell. A moment’s glimpse into Johnson’s pitch black soul.nico67 said:The taking the phone isn’t a huge deal , it’s just silly . The bit where Bozo says he’s giving an interview and basically doesn’t want to seem to talk about the boy , it just looks very dismissive as if he doesn’t care .
This isnt going to be a game changer but it’s a gift to Labour in those Leave areas where Labour Leavers tend to be more worried about public services .1 -
No - it it was wholly misleading.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it turns out that it wasn't horse shit but an accurate report of their views.Chris said:
No - the horseshit I was responding to came from Big G, who "believed" the child's parents were unhappy about the way he had been "used" in this "Labour stunt."BluerBlue said:
Ah, a mysterious "first time Labour voter" switching directly from Conservative. Horseshit.Chris said:
Perhaps Big G thinks the Mirror was making this up:Chris said:
Well, given what's just happened, you'd better quote chapter and verse, because there's a hell of a lot of disinformation emanating from the Tory side.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do not be silly. He was used and Boris did not handle it wellChris said:
The boy having to lie on the floor was a "Labour stunt"? Ye Gods.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes I do care but I can see a labour stunt a mile awaytheprof said:
But do you care? Do any Tories care?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Will not make any difference in the scheme of things. The die is castOldBasing said:Two attempted dead cats from the Toris today to get Boris’ car crash interview with Joe Pike off the news. That interview now approaching 4 million views on Twitter. If you’re really 10 points ahead, why play silly buggers like this? Just stay on message. Now we’re back to the Tories faking news again. Not good.
If they do I haven't seen it.
I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
And Sarah, who also has a daughter, says she will be switching her support from Conservative to Labour at the ballot box on Thursday.
“This will the first time in my life where I will be voting Labour” she said.
“I would like to thank the doctors and the nurses and the health care assistants because they were really good, really helpful.
“But I’m angry at the lack of funding and the lack of beds because I think that is failing our children.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/little-boy-pneumonia-forced-sleep-21053225
But no doubt PB Tories will carry on lying their heads off about it.0 -
Yvette Cooper was the first person to politicise the London Bridge attack, but don't let the facts get in the way of a nice rant. It'll make you feel so much better.kinabalu said:
Just as Jack Merritt's weren't happy about "Boris" politicising their son's death. They were deeply unhappy in fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
Did this stop the ghastly man doing it? Not on your nelly.
Did PB Tories condemn him for this? Nope. I don't believe many did.
Edit to add link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50615928
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As anyone who has dealt with the press will know - never give them an inch as they will take a mile.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it turns out that it wasn't horse shit but an accurate report of their views.
People ought to listen to Big G a bit more often. He is rarely given to exaggeration.
Once the first newspaper had permission to use the photo this story was inevitably going to be bigger than they wanted.0 -
Of course today should have been polling day. Perhaps Boris now wishes it was.0
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Well most likely we have a Brexit and a Tory government, next most likely a 2nd ref and a short term minority govt. Under either of those scenarios not sure the markets will change much, its a mix of favourable and unfavourable for them.kjohnw1 said:Is it time to get my savings converted into foreign currency
A big Labour majority or a hung parliament that results in no deal could be bad for the pound, but neither is particularly likely, and if its a hung parliament, the markets might be slow to react to no deal being a possibility again, giving a better entry point.
So in short, no.0 -
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.camel said:
PPE Oxon, Economics Cantab. How did he get into Oxbridge twice then complete two degrees? I'm sure the guy we see every day must be a doppelganger.ydoethur said:
Having lived in Wales, I am not disputing that. It’s just bizarre though that anyone could think Hancock is capable of running anything more complex than a lucky dip.Brom said:
That’s a bit strong, we know the NHS under Labour in Wales is worse than the Tory run NHS in Englandydoethur said:
Much though I detest Corbyn, it is a source of genuine amazement to me that anyone could think Hancock would be better at running the Health Service than Ashworth.Big_G_NorthWales said:And on the NHS
Matthew Goodwin tweeted
Awkward numbers for Labour
"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS0 -
Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️0
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Tick tock. Silence.Andy_JS said:
How accurately were you able to predict the overall result in Broxtowe in 1997, 2001, etc, from canvassing?NickPalmer said:
FWIw, purely anecdotally, I found quite a few "former Labour now anti" people at the WWC end of the constituency who we were recanvassing who were reluctantly coming back to Labour, and colleagues said they were noticing the same, to a moderate degree. Whether that's more generally true, or even a serious trend here, I genuinely have no idea.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Evidence ?contrarian said:There's still an absence of faith in labour heartlands voting tory.
And maybe, rightly so....0 -
The one that predicts 8 Tory Gains from Lab?BluerBlue said:
Wait till you see the Welsh poll...bigjohnowls said:WOW Only 7% between Jester and Jezza
Britain Elects
@britainelects
Preference for Prime Minister:
Boris Johnson: 39%
Jeremy Corbyn: 32%
via
@BMGResearch
Fancy a charity bet?0 -
Calling it as I see it. Very foolish of Boris. Why he didn’t just look at the photo I’ve no idea.
This does play into the hands of his opponents with 3 days to go. I don’t know if it will have an impact but it was an unforced error and he can ill afford those at this time in the campaign.
Still going for a small Tory majority, but the events of today and the ICM have confirmed to me that’s about right.0 -
Important business knocking on doors and telling the occupants that they are vile human beings. And please vote Labour.peter_from_putney said:Miss Scarlett didn't last long on here did she?
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You cannot pick and choose your polls BJObigjohnowls said:
The one that predicts 8 Tory Gains from Lab?BluerBlue said:
Wait till you see the Welsh poll...bigjohnowls said:WOW Only 7% between Jester and Jezza
Britain Elects
@britainelects
Preference for Prime Minister:
Boris Johnson: 39%
Jeremy Corbyn: 32%
via
@BMGResearch
Fancy a charity bet?0 -
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
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Why would Corbyn want to? He claims to be a teetotaller.nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.camel said:
PPE Oxon, Economics Cantab. How did he get into Oxbridge twice then complete two degrees? I'm sure the guy we see every day must be a doppelganger.ydoethur said:
Having lived in Wales, I am not disputing that. It’s just bizarre though that anyone could think Hancock is capable of running anything more complex than a lucky dip.Brom said:
That’s a bit strong, we know the NHS under Labour in Wales is worse than the Tory run NHS in Englandydoethur said:
Much though I detest Corbyn, it is a source of genuine amazement to me that anyone could think Hancock would be better at running the Health Service than Ashworth.Big_G_NorthWales said:And on the NHS
Matthew Goodwin tweeted
Awkward numbers for Labour
"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS0 -
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I think it's more complicated than that. Most politicians are of course also human beings, so they do genuinely care AND they are in the middle of a frantic race and pressed from all sides to come up with instant responses on every event, which will inevitably be made with an eye to the election.ydoethur said:
One of the problems with many politicians - and in fairness, it has always been a problem - is that they care for their own advantage, not for ordinary people. Does anyone really think Corbyn cares about a child not getting treatment fast enough? Of course he doesn’t. But it’s politically useful so he’s running with it. Just as Johnson only cared about using the brutal murders of two young graduates to advance his own agenda.kinabalu said:
Just as Jack Merritt's weren't happy about "Boris" politicising their son's death. They were deeply unhappy in fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
Did this stop the ghastly man doing it? Not on your nelly.
Did PB Tories condemn him for this? Nope. I don't believe many did.
It’s a sad indictment of them as human beings.
I must admit that I was sometimes unsure in my own mind whether I was saying something mianly because I believed it, or mainly to win votes. It tended to be a bit of both, and some cyncism is justified, but not total disbelief.3 -
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!0 -
There'll be one final "mini-ELBOW" for all polls from today's ICM up to Wednesday night's polling.
Meanwhile, for those wot missed it:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/1203832196274040832
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Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.1 -
I cannot stress enough how much I increasingly hate this General Election, the side it is showing of our national character is awful.2
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Am I missing something here?
Sporting index currently Tory Seats 345-351 & Tory 300 Ups 47-50
Doesnt that just make it 1 cheaper to buy the 300 Ups and with zero downside risk if below 300?0 -
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.0 -
Come on PB Tories think Tory Maj. 1.39 from 1.4 is worth telling usAlistair said:
That's a change from 19% to 22%.llef said:On Betfair exchange, I'm sure that NOM was 5.1 this morning - its 4.5 now.
That seems strange to me given the good Welsh poll for the Cons - is it all down the Boris phone farrago?
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I’ve been to one in theTeingworthy brewery in Devon very good.NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.0 -
Boris shouldn't be too harmed by today's events. Most of his admirers will just think 'bloody reporters picking on poor old Boris again' and carry on as before. But snatching that man's phone and then pocketing it was strange behaviour. It was as if he couldn't bear to be in a situation where he was required to pay attention to something else, rather than be the sole object of everything else's attention, so he had to hide the competing object away. There was something childlike about it. Odd.0
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THere was a young lady who, piqued at being told she was grossly incompetent, invited everyone to a party at Guinness’ brewery cafe.NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.
In a stroke of genius, she put the wrong date in the invitations and everyone turned up a day early.0 -
The apprentice had a similar task this year. Wine tours at a vineyard. One team couldnt find the wine cellar to show the customers around.NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.0 -
I am not sure how the day plays for Boris nationally, but he has had an awful day in London. The big story on the London news was his failure to even turn up at the Uxbridge hustings (there is only one so hardly a big ask), with what seemed to be ordinary Uxbridge voters (not obvious party members) castigating him roundly for arrogance. This was combined with coverage of a lie down in front of bulldozer protest to remind the viewers of his Heathrow pledge. If only Labour had put up a decent candidate in Uxbridge or, even better, agreed to get behind a strong indie with the other parties; then we would be looking at a Portillo moment.0
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He did and he apologised but his mistake was to take the phone and put it in his pocketHYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Anyone watching the complete video will see it as weird but not as bad as some would say as he did look at it, express regret and hand it back to the journalist
I know opponents will think it is a gift, which to some extent it is, but changing votes, no0 -
alb1on said:
I am not sure how the day plays for Boris nationally, but he has had an awful day in London. The big story on the London news was his failure to even turn up at the Uxbridge hustings (there is only one so hardly a big ask), with what seemed to be ordinary Uxbridge voters (not obvious party members) castigating him roundly for arrogance. This was combined with coverage of a lie down in front of bulldozer protest to remind the viewers of his Heathrow pledge. If only Labour had put up a decent candidate in Uxbridge or, even better, agreed to get behind a strong indie with the other parties; then we would be looking at a Portillo moment.
I live in London and haven’t read any of this or seen it. Are you perhaps overestimating the impact that every small story has?
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It may be a waste of resources sending them to Wyoming but it is a blessing for the rest of us. Feel sorry for Wyoming though.....SirBenjamin said:camel said:
Momentum were directing volunteers from WY to nearby Hemsworth this weekend.
Waste of resources sending them to Wyoming in the first place. It's solidly GOP...0 -
Christ, look at the bloody film! He took the journalist's phone and put it in his pocket. Only when the journalist pointed out what he had done did he take it back out, look at it, and apologise for what he had done.HYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Why not stop posting for just a few minutes and acquaint yourself with the facts?0 -
The picture/fact of the matter is bad though. Definitely has the stench of NHS decay about it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He did and he apologised but his mistake was to take the phone and put it in his pocketHYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Anyone watching the complete video will see it as weird but not as bad as some would say as he did look at it, express regret and hand it back to the journalist
I know opponents will think it is a gift, which to some extent it is, but changing votes, no0 -
Remarkable amount of worse-than-usual colds do indeed seem to be going around at the moment. I've been suffering for a week, have already been through an episode of false recovery followed by relapse so bad that I spent most of Friday in bed, and I'm still not quite over it. A colleague at work who came down with it the same time I did, but has a low immune system due to a medical condition, was still off sick today.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, I’ve been out for 4-6 weeks with a very nasty one.Andy_JS said:O/T
Has anyone else been hit by the worst cold they've had for many years? I certainly have. Normally I get rid of them after 4 or 5 days but this one's been going on for about 10 days. Not good timing as far as election night is concerned.
My daughter was hospitalised for a night with bronciolitis too, and still has a cold.0 -
We took a look at how they've been doing politics in the United States recently and thought: okay, we'll follow their example. Fake news, lack of civility, everyone believing only the information that suits their side of the argument.HaroldO said:I cannot stress enough how much I increasingly hate this General Election, the side it is showing of our national character is awful.
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I suppose running a piss up only requires access to the stock rather than knowledge of the noble art of brewing. There may be an issue with glasses, and being a bit old school, I wouldn't want guests to have to drink from bottles. The horror!NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.0 -
I think you’re massively overestimating this. All the postal votes have been sent, sure it might energise Momentum but I just struggle to see it changing voting intention. Remember what happened to the polls after Andrew Neil?Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.0 -
ROFL! And while we're at it, polar bears never sh*t in the woods!NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.
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He did not snatch the camera, this is outrageous fake news from a left wing stitch up jobChris said:
Christ, look at the bloody film! He took the journalist's phone and put it in his pocket. Only when the journalist pointed out what he had done did he take it back out, look at it, and apologise for what he had done.HYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Why not stop posting for just a few minutes and acquaint yourself with the facts?0 -
I recall taking a group of brokers to the Oktoberfest. We justified the trip by planning a visit to head office in Munich first. Unfortunately the coach would not fit through the entrance, making us late for the piss up.noneoftheabove said:
The apprentice had a similar task this year. Wine tours at a vineyard. One team couldnt find the wine cellar to show the customers around.NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.0 -
Yes I agree.Brom said:
I think you’re massively overestimating this. All the postal votes have been sent, sure it might energise Momentum but I just struggle to see it changing voting intention. Remember what happened to the polls after Andrew Neil?Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.0 -
Agree. If it hadn’t hurt why the two dead cat attempts (BBC licence fee and fake assault in Leeds)? Twitter views of interview with Joe Pike now 5.1 million. Massive **** up!Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.0 -
The postal votes is a bit of a red herring, there must be very few undecided postal voters, the point of them is to ensure you vote. Agree stories like this dont move things much, each story might move things 0.5-1% but some will be in one direction and other stories the opposite. There havent been a whole series of events to move in one direction only imo.Brom said:
I think you’re massively overestimating this. All the postal votes have been sent, sure it might energise Momentum but I just struggle to see it changing voting intention. Remember what happened to the polls after Andrew Neil?Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.0 -
Possibly, but it was certainly the main report on the BBC London news, lasting 4-5 minutes. But he is safe with Ali Milani against him. Might switch a handful of votes in nearby seats like Wimbledon. He did come across as an arrogant twat.Brom said:alb1on said:I am not sure how the day plays for Boris nationally, but he has had an awful day in London. The big story on the London news was his failure to even turn up at the Uxbridge hustings (there is only one so hardly a big ask), with what seemed to be ordinary Uxbridge voters (not obvious party members) castigating him roundly for arrogance. This was combined with coverage of a lie down in front of bulldozer protest to remind the viewers of his Heathrow pledge. If only Labour had put up a decent candidate in Uxbridge or, even better, agreed to get behind a strong indie with the other parties; then we would be looking at a Portillo moment.
I live in London and haven’t read any of this or seen it. Are you perhaps overestimating the impact that every small story has?0 -
Welcome back to humanity Dr P.NickPalmer said:
Idle thought - how easy would it be to run a piss-up in a brewery, given H&S regulations which would prevent easy access to production? Has anyone ever done it?nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.0 -
You are relying on twitter ??OldBasing said:
Agree. If it hadn’t hurt why the two dead cat attempts (BBC licence fee and fake assault in Leeds)? Twitter views of interview with Joe Pike now 5.1 million. Massive **** up!Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.
We have heard it all before with Andrew Neil
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If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, it's just possible you haven't grasped the situation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes I agree.Brom said:
I think you’re massively overestimating this. All the postal votes have been sent, sure it might energise Momentum but I just struggle to see it changing voting intention. Remember what happened to the polls after Andrew Neil?Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.
Jean Kerr0 -
It is certainly bad, and there is a major problem with capacity in the NHS, but bed shortages are nothing new. Indeed I met Mrs Foxy when Medical House Officer and outlying admissions onto her elective surgery ward. That was 1988.camel said:
The picture/fact of the matter is bad though. Definitely has the stench of NHS decay about it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He did and he apologised but his mistake was to take the phone and put it in his pocketHYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Anyone watching the complete video will see it as weird but not as bad as some would say as he did look at it, express regret and hand it back to the journalist
I know opponents will think it is a gift, which to some extent it is, but changing votes, no0 -
This is a significant oversight on your part. No one viewing anything on twitter is an undecided voter. You need to be looking at other sources such as Facebook or TV news viewing figures to understand the real reach of a story.OldBasing said:
Agree. If it hadn’t hurt why the two dead cat attempts (BBC licence fee and fake assault in Leeds)? Twitter views of interview with Joe Pike now 5.1 million. Massive **** up!Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.0 -
HYUFD said:
It's such a shame that you can't be truthful with yourself. You'd be better for it and so would this place.bigjohnowls said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.
More anti Boris fake news!!
We get it that you like Johnson. We get it that you are sure the Conservatives will win. We get it that you hate the other parties.
But, just occasionally, even if you don't think he has major character defects, at least admit that he sometimes gets things wrong.0 -
True and I do have a lot of sympathy for the family in this. The vast majority of people are not used to dealing with the press and do not know how they operate with 'normal' people. They think celebrities pretty much get what they deserve and believe that their insignificance will protect them from being used and abused. It is very unfortunate this family had to find out the hard way this is not the case.eek said:
As anyone who has dealt with the press will know - never give them an inch as they will take a mile.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it turns out that it wasn't horse shit but an accurate report of their views.
People ought to listen to Big G a bit more often. He is rarely given to exaggeration.
Once the first newspaper had permission to use the photo this story was inevitably going to be bigger than they wanted.0 -
People don't en masse change their voting intention over someone putting a phone In their pocket. Get.a.grip.0
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Mysticrose said:
No I am not going to 'admit' a PR stitch up of fake news driven by the hard leftHYUFD said:
It's such a shame that you can't be truthful with yourself. You'd be better for it and so would this place.bigjohnowls said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.
More anti Boris fake news!!
We get it that you like Johnson. We get it that you are sure the Conservatives will win. We get it that you hate the other parties.
But, just occasionally, even if you don't think he has major character defects, at least admit that he sometimes gets things wrong.0 -
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I am afraid you are the one telling porkies here. Big G said:Chris said:
No - it it was wholly misleading.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it turns out that it wasn't horse shit but an accurate report of their views.Chris said:
No - the horseshit I was responding to came from Big G, who "believed" the child's parents were unhappy about the way he had been "used" in this "Labour stunt."BluerBlue said:
Ah, a mysterious "first time Labour voter" switching directly from Conservative. Horseshit.Chris said:
Perhaps Big G thinks the Mirror was making this up:Chris said:
Well, given what's just happened, you'd better quote chapter and verse, because there's a hell of a lot of disinformation emanating from the Tory side.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Do not be silly. He was used and Boris did not handle it wellChris said:
The boy having to lie on the floor was a "Labour stunt"? Ye Gods.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes I do care but I can see a labour stunt a mile awaytheprof said:
But do you care? Do any Tories care?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Will not make any difference in the scheme of things. The die is castOldBasing said:Two attempted dead cats from the Toris today to get Boris’ car crash interview with Joe Pike off the news. That interview now approaching 4 million views on Twitter. If you’re really 10 points ahead, why play silly buggers like this? Just stay on message. Now we’re back to the Tories faking news again. Not good.
If they do I haven't seen it.
I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident
And Sarah, who also has a daughter, says she will be switching her support from Conservative to Labour at the ballot box on Thursday.
“This will the first time in my life where I will be voting Labour” she said.
“I would like to thank the doctors and the nurses and the health care assistants because they were really good, really helpful.
“But I’m angry at the lack of funding and the lack of beds because I think that is failing our children.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/little-boy-pneumonia-forced-sleep-21053225
But no doubt PB Tories will carry on lying their heads off about it.
"I believe the parents are not happy in the way their son was used in this incident"
And that turned out to be absolutely accurate. Lying like that when we can all just go back and look at the thread is particularly stupid of you.0 -
Good on GeorgeCasino_Royale said:Osborne voting Conservative
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1204112809518338049?s=20
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Of course they dont. 70% of votes are probably decided before the start of the campaign. Of the rest most will be a mix of issues and tactical voting. There are some people who dont decide until they are actually in the voting booth, those are the votes which are surely susceptible to such trivia and late news.wooliedyed said:People don't en masse change their voting intention over someone putting a phone In their pocket. Get.a.grip.
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Will the Tories here apologise for their fake assault?0
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Roubleskjohnw1 said:Is it time to get my savings converted into foreign currency
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I dont think it will move VI as long as we dont get a series of incidents from JesterOldBasing said:
Agree. If it hadn’t hurt why the two dead cat attempts (BBC licence fee and fake assault in Leeds)? Twitter views of interview with Joe Pike now 5.1 million. Massive **** up!Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.
Best plan for him lay low till Friday
20-40 maj nailed on.
2 more days of Boris screw ups HP possible.0 -
Don’t tell me. He wants to ‘get Brexit done’?Casino_Royale said:Osborne voting Conservative
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Bloody hell.Casino_Royale said:Osborne voting Conservative
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1204112809518338049?s=20
It really is a bad day for Johnson. First the NHS, now the endorsement from electoral poison...0 -
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Have either of you got a link that shows the phone at the moment it changes hands?HYUFD said:
He did not snatch the camera, this is outrageous fake news from a left wing stitch up jobChris said:
Christ, look at the bloody film! He took the journalist's phone and put it in his pocket. Only when the journalist pointed out what he had done did he take it back out, look at it, and apologise for what he had done.HYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Why not stop posting for just a few minutes and acquaint yourself with the facts?0 -
I saw a bigger crowd there for my graduation. But then expecting a millionaire NHS exploiter to tell the truth would be like expecting Boris Johnson to behave rationally.bigjohnowls said:0 -
Laura Kunnesberg who posted the story hasCorrectHorseBattery said:Will the Tories here apologise for their fake assault?
She was responsible for posting the news without verification
Typical of scores of journalists in this election0 -
If you refuse to look at a photo of a suffering 4 yr old it's just possible you haven't grasped the situation or you are acamel said:
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, it's just possible you haven't grasped the situation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes I agree.Brom said:
I think you’re massively overestimating this. All the postal votes have been sent, sure it might energise Momentum but I just struggle to see it changing voting intention. Remember what happened to the polls after Andrew Neil?Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.
Jean Kerr
Juan Kerr0 -
Is a comeback on the cards?bigjohnowls said:0 -
They should have done Chem Eng. Most of our 'industrial visits' WERE piss-ups in breweries!nichomar said:
Still doesn’t mean he can run a piss up in a brewery, Johnson has a classics degree fro posho university and he can’t run a piss up in a brewery, Corby has a nothing from nowhere and couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery. Such wonderful politicians we have.camel said:
PPE Oxon, Economics Cantab. How did he get into Oxbridge twice then complete two degrees? I'm sure the guy we see every day must be a doppelganger.ydoethur said:
Having lived in Wales, I am not disputing that. It’s just bizarre though that anyone could think Hancock is capable of running anything more complex than a lucky dip.Brom said:
That’s a bit strong, we know the NHS under Labour in Wales is worse than the Tory run NHS in Englandydoethur said:
Much though I detest Corbyn, it is a source of genuine amazement to me that anyone could think Hancock would be better at running the Health Service than Ashworth.Big_G_NorthWales said:And on the NHS
Matthew Goodwin tweeted
Awkward numbers for Labour
"Which of the following would be best for the NHS?"
Con government led by Boris Johnson w/ Matt Hancock as Health Secretary = 44%
Lab government led by Jeremy Corbyn w/ John Ashworth as Health Security = 37%
Deltapoll Dec 5-7
#ge2019 #Brexit #NHS0 -
NoMexicanpete said:
Is a comeback on the cards?bigjohnowls said:0 -
Excellent.bigjohnowls said:
If you refuse to look at a photo of a suffering 4 yr old you are acamel said:
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, it's just possible you haven't grasped the situation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes I agree.Brom said:
I think you’re massively overestimating this. All the postal votes have been sent, sure it might energise Momentum but I just struggle to see it changing voting intention. Remember what happened to the polls after Andrew Neil?Jason said:
I think it has. It's completely changed the mood of the campaign. Plus we're seeing the tightening of Westminster polling AND best PM ratings. This could not have come at a worse time than 3 days before an election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and nokjohnw1 said:Right am I panicking unnecessarily or has this incident pushed us into hung parliament territory and a labour SNP government ☹️
I'm glad I kept my back bets going for NOM, at least I win £1,200 if the nightmare comes true. And it might.
Sorry Pb Tories, I do genuinely believe this has changed things.
Jean Kerr
Juan Kerr0 -
Channel 4 - What is the tories strongest subject? Brexit. Lets have a debate that excludes Brexit
BBC - What is the tories weakest demographic? 18-30 year olds. Lets have a debate exclusively for 18-30 year olds0 -
Damn, hard to see Boris's route to a majority without Bristol West, South, or East.bigjohnowls said:2 -
The problem is that people who follow politics the most and often know everything there is to know are also the most susceptible to falling into the trap of thinking that everyone else has zero political conviction and that there are tens of thousands of voters watching TV who were going to vote Boris but are no longer because of some confusing news story about a boy in a hospital and a punch up.noneoftheabove said:
Of course they dont. 70% of votes are probably decided before the start of the campaign. Of the rest most will be a mix of issues and tactical voting. There are some people who dont decide until they are actually in the voting booth, those are the votes which are surely susceptible to such trivia and late news.wooliedyed said:People don't en masse change their voting intention over someone putting a phone In their pocket. Get.a.grip.
If it were up to certain folk on PB these voters would have changed their minds about 6 times (Ian Austin, Nicky Morgan interview, Waspi bribe, Andrew Neil, Andrew Neil again, hospital photo). In my opinion the event that has had the biggest effect on VI will probably have been the terror attack but regardless as has been said because of Brexit so many minds were made up 6 weeks ago with the only question being (should I vote Con or BXP and Should I vote Lab or Lib).
But hey it gives us stuff to talk about other than polls!1 -
Apparently those nasty Tories spread rumours of his demise and, as was said about the funeral of Louis Mayer, 'Give the people what they want and they will come out for it'.bigjohnowls said:0 -
So romantic!!Foxy said:
It is certainly bad, and there is a major problem with capacity in the NHS, but bed shortages are nothing new. Indeed I met Mrs Foxy when Medical House Officer and outlying admissions onto her elective surgery ward. That was 1988.camel said:
The picture/fact of the matter is bad though. Definitely has the stench of NHS decay about it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He did and he apologised but his mistake was to take the phone and put it in his pocketHYUFD said:
Utter crap, he looked at it after the journalist gave it to him.bigjohnowls said:
More anti Boris fake news!!
Anyone watching the complete video will see it as weird but not as bad as some would say as he did look at it, express regret and hand it back to the journalist
I know opponents will think it is a gift, which to some extent it is, but changing votes, no
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No, all Bristol MPs are Labour and not one Bristol seat is even in the top 50 Tory target seatsbigjohnowls said:1 -
I do not agree.ydoethur said:
Bloody hell.Casino_Royale said:Osborne voting Conservative
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1204112809518338049?s=20
It really is a bad day for Johnson. First the NHS, now the endorsement from electoral poison...
George Osborne backing Boris in London is unexpected and will influence conservative voters in the city and the south to vote for Boris
Very pleased as he could have endorsed Jo Swinson0
